JPA PILN & PIDN 2010 RESULT [Discussion Thread]

[yoghurt92]

Moderator Note: This is the discussion thread of JPA PILN & PIDN 2010 RESULT [Original Thread] (http://recom.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10977). ~youngyew

i think we shud include the race point in this thread, if jpa distributes the scholarship according to the quota stated, why cant we just have a survey here? no offence =) congrats to everyone!

[bush]

No we should not include race. We the new face of Malaysia must take the first courageous and difficult step to disregard race in any of issues. We must see each other as equal fellow citizens of Malaysia.

I know this is a bitter pill to swallow. One cannot help but feel disparaged. However, if we do this, Malaysia will be a better place in the future.

The days of this broken system are numbered. So take heart and soldier on.

[vseehua]

i think we shud include the race point in this thread, if jpa distributes the scholarship according to the quota stated, why cant we just have a survey here? no offence =) congrats to everyone!

No we should not include race. We the new face of Malaysia must take the first courageous and difficult step to disregard race in any of issues. We must see each other as equal fellow citizens of Malaysia.

I know this is a bitter pill to swallow. One cannot help but feel disparaged. However, if we do this, Malaysia will be a better place in the future.

The days of this broken system are numbered. So take heart and soldier on.
Bush gets it right. We should not look at the race anymore, and start looking at each other as Malaysians.

[meiso]

spm result: 11A+, 1 A(bc)
jpa offer: PILN, medicine
country: twinning program Manipal
Pre-u: intec, A-level
other offer: matric penang, petronas (acc to NZ)
hometown: Sungai Petani, Kedah
congrats,u got a very good offer,just curious to know whether u r from smjk or smk?? feel that most likely fr the local smjk??

Bush gets it right. We should not look at the race anymore, and start looking at each other as Malaysians.

if this is the case, then government should be more transparent, to publish the selected candidates on the newspaper like what they are doing for the natiional service!

[vseehua]

if this is the case, then government should be more transparent, to publish the selected candidates on the newspaper like what they are doing for the natiional service!
Why do we have to expect them to start, when it is proven that they are unlikely to do so now and in the future? Why do we have to emulate the politicians, pushing for a barter? If everyone of us keep waiting for the other side to do something before we do, well, then keep waiting. The rest of the world will go on its way anyway... After all, in this situation, we are just encouraging them to continue their ways.

We all know that it is not right for us to always look at the colours, so why continue to push for it? Are you willing to be a slave for a system that encourages separation between different groups when the country is better off united?

[meiso]

Why do we have to expect them to start, when it is proven that they are unlikely to do so now and in the future? Why do we have to emulate the politicians, pushing for a barter? If everyone of us keep waiting for the other side to do something before we do, well, then keep waiting. The rest of the world will go on its way anyway... After all, in this situation, we are just encouraging them to continue their ways.

We all know that it is not right for us to always look at the colours, so why continue to push for it? Are you willing to be a slave for a system that encourages separation between different groups when the country is better off united?

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

[Young]

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

LOL.

You are one self-righteous, shallow person. Yes, you.

Is trying to be colour-blind 'rubbish'?

NO. The act of being impartial from a racial perspective is very commendable indeed and while it may be a hard thing to accept given the socio-political landscape of Malaysia, it sure as hell does not mean we shouldn't try. To 'rubbish' someone's noble attempt to be colour-blind speaks a lot about yourself.

Is it empathic to diss Bumis purely because of their race, even if you don't know their true credentials?

NO. Try putting yourself in the shoes of able-minded Bumis; how would YOU feel if nobody acknowledged your abilities and attributed your scholarship to the government's affirmative movement instead? How would YOU feel if you are inappropriately discriminated against based on your race and not the noteworthy attributes you possess?

The affirmative policy is a double-edged sword; while non-Bumis like us feel that it is unfair, think about it from their perspective as well.

And before you shoot me off, I completely agree, it should be based on merit. However, just because the government doesn't practice complete meritocracy doesn't mean that we are allowed to wallow in our own misery and play the eternal blame-game.

Since when was life fair? Just accept it like a man and move on.


Is the world going to end if a person does not get the scholarship?

NO. You do not need the JPA scholarship to be successful. Likewise, you are not guaranteed success the very moment you receive the scholarship.

Opportunities are everywhere in today's society and if you're good, you WILL eventually succeed.

So please, stop being so shallow-minded. I know it's hard, I know it seems unfair... But what is done, is done. Move on.

[unsolvedcryptex]

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

A way to go.

To be honest, whack me now if u want to, those who get the offer or already in a scholarship, should not try to give encouraging words. Sometimes, it can b perceived like as an insult to us. Humans have different behaviours and not everyone can easily accept advices. Some are optimistic and decided to strive harder for pre-u but not everyone can do the same. The advices u all gave are obviously the same. Repeated all over again and again. Try harder and so on. Even those who get it will tell others, nvm la. there will be a lot more chances. When god closes one door, another door opens. Theses are the common phrases and why repeat all over again? These advices should be given once and the readers can decide wether to accept or not. If repeatedly told will not help at all.
Try putting ur shoe into ours( those who got rejected and gave up in this point of life).

Nevertheless, those comforting words should be continued and it depends on those rejected ones wether to accept the fact or not. If they don't it's best to leave them alone as long as they don't do something stupid.:nuts:nuts

[littlewheatgrass]

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!


Just like an American Idol audition, there are many participants waiting outside who think they are good, only the judges can tell whether he/she is up to the mark...

I am a 2010 JPA Ivy-league scholar and also a Chinese. The way i see it, there is no such thing as "Lucky", both the University admission intake & JPA selection process are based on meeting their criteria, not a random draw like a bingo game.

Since there are 10k or more qualified applicants, there were always be those who are sore abt not being selected...not because they are not good but just that there are others who are better than them.

[dragon]

LOL.

You are one self-righteous, shallow person. Yes, you.



This is a Result Thread. There are lots of tension and unhappiness around at the moment. So, we really do not appreciate comments such as "self-righteous, shallow person". You are studying to be a doctor right? Hope you will have some kind words for your patients next time.

[youngyew]

Moderator Note: Guys, this will sound like a broken record and I understand that emotions are running high, but please be reminded that we don't allow personal attacks. No criticism on each other is allowed.

As for the "race" field, my personal opinion is that such a "survey" in ReCom is not helpful, in fact it is most likely going to be unfair to some of the people who kindly provide their results here. What, do we expect a bumi friend to share his [or her] results here and only to find out one day later his result is being held up high as the proof of the unfairness of the selection process?

It's a well-known fact that bumiputera and non-bumiputera selection are not held to the same criteria, and that for the same result a bumiputera is more likely to be chosen compared to a non-bumiputera. However, please do not use this "share your result" thread as your pretext to lure bumiputera members to post their results, only to unwittingly make themselves a shooting target.

If you really want to establish the fact that bumiputeras get scholarships easier with the same result (which doesn't really need more examples I reckon), then get MCA and/or other agencies to establish it with official figures, instead of running a non-scientific "surveys" like this which involve "unsuspecting victims" becoming part of your claim. Yes we can all act like none of these will be personal, but just put yourselves in the bumi members' shoes - what would you feel if your kind sharing become a target of indignation on the next day?

Please have some empathy.

[Young]

This is a Result Thread. There are lots of tension and unhappiness around at the moment. So, we really do not appreciate comments such as "self-righteous, shallow person". You are studying to be a doctor right? Hope you will have some kind words for your patients next time.

'Self-righteous' and 'shallow' are not unforgivable , cuss words.If you think about it, those words are politically-correct and appropriate in describing his post and thoughts. Do not deny that. :wink

And, yes I'm a medical student. However, that does not take away my right to offer constructive criticism nor am I obliged to sugar-coat the truth just because it is hard to swallow.

[bush]

Moved to the other thread

[Glassylicious]

Guys, I am thoroughly disappointed at some of the attitudes here.

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

1. I was rejected from PILN without interview over an arbitrary policy that was abolished the following year after my batch. Did I complain? No. I focused my energy and effort at looking at alternatives instead.

2. Those comments about "don't try to give you sweet talk" are massively inappropriate and uncalled for. See Hua was only trying to rationalise things, though it was probably an exercise in futility given how emotional everyone is getting.

A way to go.

To be honest, whack me now if u want to, those who get the offer or already in a scholarship, should not try to give encouraging words. Sometimes, it can b perceived like as an insult to us. Humans have different behaviours and not everyone can easily accept advices. Some are optimistic and decided to strive harder for pre-u but not everyone can do the same. The advices u all gave are obviously the same. Repeated all over again and again. Try harder and so on. Even those who get it will tell others, nvm la. there will be a lot more chances. When god closes one door, another door opens. Theses are the common phrases and why repeat all over again? These advices should be given once and the readers can decide wether to accept or not. If repeatedly told will not help at all.
Try putting ur shoe into ours( those who got rejected and gave up in this point of life).

Nevertheless, those comforting words should be continued and it depends on those rejected ones wether to accept the fact or not. If they don't it's best to leave them alone as long as they don't do something stupid.:nuts:nuts

I...don't...understand. You say "these advices should be given once" and then smack right in the next paragraph you say they should be continued. :oh

But honestly, don't take it the wrong way. We only say these things because we really do feel sorry and we really do want to make you feel better. =/

If you need somebody to talk to, I'm all ears. Please PM or e-mail me, and I will be very happy to give you some advice, or just lend a shoulder to cry on.

---

Can you all please do Recom a teensy favour? I understand that rejection can be difficult and emotions are running high right now. Might I kindly suggest getting off Recom and taking a day or two off to cool down first? Maybe spend some time doing stuff that you enjoy doing, to try to relax and take your mind off your frustrations.

To be blunt, I don't think some of you are able to think rationally at the moment, and ranting your frustrations at everyone else on an Internet forum is just sad and not a good way of going about things.

And it seems that repeated efforts to get people to abstain from flaming aren't working, so consider this your final warning. The next post that contains inflammatory comments after this will trigger an automatic lockdown of this topic.

Let me repeat that.

I. Will. Lock. This. Topic. If. Flaming. Continues.

So please don't screw this up for everyone else. It's in everyone's best interests that this topic stays open so the sharing of helpful information can continue.

Please please please stop flaming, guys. At this rate, temporary suspensions will become an option because heavens knows how much some of us actually need them right now.

If you guys are feeling really down about your rejections, and need somebody to talk to, please do PM or e-mail me and I will lend a shoulder to cry on, and a listening ear to hear you out. The moderating staff on Recom may have to crack down harshly on flaming, but it's our job to do so, and ultimately, we really DO care about your welfare. So please, do not hesitate to get in touch with one of us if you just need to talk.

[henry_yew]

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

This is a Result Thread. There are lots of tension and unhappiness around at the moment. So, we really do not appreciate comments such as "self-righteous, shallow person". You are studying to be a doctor right? Hope you will have some kind words for your patients next time.

(I don't know where else to write this, so I'll just post it here.)

Good heavens. Everyone, please cool down, especially those who did not succeed in the PILN.

I (or we, for that matter) can understand the kind of disappointment and stress that goes on with people who have just been rejected a scholarship or a sponsorship. Some of us, being your seniors, had gone through those tough times and they have managed to make do with whatever they have, and now people like youngyew, vseehua, me etc. are approaching the end of our undergraduate studies, if not ended. Glassylicious, on the other hand, is already second-year (right?) into her undergraduate studies. Some of us, as I have said, had gone through rejection by scholarship providers, or at least seen the despair in the juniors' faces.

Yes, we are humans, too, and we can share your emotional stress. We can feel your disappointment, we have that heart to sympathise and we surely have that ability to assist, provided that you ask.

We can also understand how you just want to vent your frustration and anger, but this is not the place to do so. Go for a jog, climb a hill and shout your lungs out for all you want, play some games or talk to your parents about it if you want to.

We comprehend some of your calls for the PSD or other scholarship providers to be transparent in their selection process, but unfortunately this is not just your call, but calls made by members of the public far more senior than us, too. And has any action been taken on this? A resounding no.

That's fact, and it's hard to accept it, but don't wallow in self-pity over this anymore. It is a fact that these scholarship providers can't provide for ALL students who want the scholarship. They aspire to be "big brothers" to "take care of everyone's needs" but in fact, they can't. Then there is the big issue on the selection criteria, which I think has been debated enough here (http://www.recom.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=6298).

I know that everybody is just as confident when you applied for the scholarships. Everybody has done their utmost best to secure the scholarship and strived hard during your secondary school days to aim for the prized reward. However, we have to know that these scholarship providers owe us nothing, just as how we owe them nothing, and that they are at the liberty to decide whether to give you a scholarship or otherwise. This implies that the scholarship is not a right, but rather a privilege. You might get it, but at the same time you might not. It's the hard truth that should have sunken into you when you apply for the scholarships.

So, you want to ask about those who are eligible (financially or academically) for scholarships but are not given any offer. Well, it is not the end of the world yet. I know it is the dream of everyone of us here (me included) to study overseas, but just because you're not given the opportunity now doesn't imply that you can't create one yourself in the future.

For example, I am studying in UTP and I am from Ipoh. I dislike the fact that UTP is just forty minutes away from my home, and I have also always wanted to see the outside world. I still do, so I am now making the necessary arrangements to apply for a Masters or PhD programme in the United States, the United Kingdom or Australia. I have done my IELTS and I am going to sit the GRE test. I can't expect my parents to fund my postgraduate studies overseas entirely, so I am finding out more about scholarships overseas and other financial means, such as assistantships and so on. In the end, should I fail to secure any of the financial assistance, will that stop me from pursuing my postgraduate studies overseas? It will not, because for as long as I am able, I will continue to work things out myself.

You see, the situation has not come to a dark end for those who have failed to secure a scholarship to study overseas. It might mean that to do so you may need to employ more difficult methods to achieve your goals, but in the process of it you actually grow and appreciate, admire and marvel at your own progress. Can you not see things in a more optimistic manner?

All of us are still so young with so much time to plan our paths. Don't let failure overcome you to the extent of closing your other paths to success. And don't let failure cloud your rationality. There is always a Plan B!

So get over your disappointment quickly. There is absolutely nothing we can do about the transparency on the selection system. What the moderators and the other ReComers here want to say is that we know that the system has never been a fair one; we know that every year people are being disappointed of being rejected for the PILN. However, it is already beyond your control, and ours.

The truth is painful, and it hurts very very deeply. But don't expect us to chip in the so-called "kinder words" or things like that to mask the truth or even the wound, because in ReCom, the truth is often straightforward and direct. It's not that we don't have proper communication skills or things like that, but rather we want to be true to other ReComers here, and to be accountable on what we say here, hence the "yes" will be "yes", the "no", "no".

This is why some of us are just curious and surprised at how many would just let tempers flare unchecked here when you could have done something else more constructive about the rejection.

So buck up and rise again! It's not the end of your journey yet; far from it! If you had the confidence of getting a scholarship in the first place, why should failure crush that confidence now? Rebuild yourself and look around for other opportunities. If everything else does not work, go for what is available for you (STPM is one of them), work hard and try again in the future!

Diligent work does not go unpaid. You just need to be patient.

For how long, you might ask? Well, when you have proper planning, then you will know the answer yourself.

[hidupmelayu]

You people sound very much like teenagers in love. Why? Because you so deluded that you quarrel over petty, insignificant issues. Someone mentioned that race should be included in this description, and some other imbecile said no, simply because the very mention of race would be an indication of our supposed superficiality. That's nonsensical. 1Malaysia promotes openness, right? So, if we were truly open, and not racist, we wouldn't mind having our races mentioned. We wouldn't mind having a little bit of constructive criticism now and again. Denying a predicament is not going to solve it. We have to accept that there is indeed a very much imposing problem if we are to tackle it. But what about the bumis? How would they feel, you ask? Well, true, some might feel offended that others attribute their scholarships to no more than breast-feeding from the government instead of their own hard work, but this is not entirely so. A simple request for race is not a request for permission to insult one another. We simply want to know just how the system works. We all endorse the idea of transparency in the system. Unfortunately, JPA has never been particularly transparent because it's thighs and 'assets' aren't hot and busty enough to strut, but I digress. The point is, if they're not going to start, the least we can do is start for them. Putting down your race here is not an endorsement of racism, or bias for that matter, but it is merely a promotion of equality , transparency and justice.

I myself am a Malay and here are my results:
SPM results: 12A+
JPA: PILN medicine
country: UK
state: johor
other offers: I didn't apply for anything else
pre-u:a levels, kyuem

I was actually surprised that I got it seeing as I didn't even take the 200 question personality test.

[gaga]

You people sound very much like teenagers in love. Why? Because you so deluded that you quarrel over petty, insignificant issues. Someone mentioned that race should be included in this description, and some other imbecile said no, simply because the very mention of race would be an indication of our supposed superficiality. That's nonsensical. 1Malaysia promotes openness, right? So, if we were truly open, and not racist, we wouldn't mind having our races mentioned. We wouldn't mind having a little bit of constructive criticism now and again. Denying a predicament is not going to solve it. We have to accept that there is indeed a very much imposing problem if we are to tackle it. But what about the bumis? How would they feel, you ask? Well, true, some might feel offended that others attribute their scholarships to no more than breast-feeding from the government instead of their own hard work, but this is not entirely so. A simple request for race is not a request for permission to insult one another. We simply want to know just how the system works. We all endorse the idea of transparency in the system. Unfortunately, JPA has never been particularly transparent because it's thighs and 'assets' aren't hot and busty enough to strut, but I digress. The point is, if they're not going to start, the least we can do is start for them. Putting down your race here is not an endorsement of racism, or bias for that matter, but it is merely a promotion of equality , transparency and justice.

I myself am a Malay and here are my results:
SPM results: 12A+
JPA: PILN medicine
country: UK
state: johor
other offers: I didn't apply for anything else
pre-u:a levels, kyuem

I was actually surprised that I got it seeing as I didn't even take the 200 question personality test.

=)

thumbs up for hidupmelayu's post. as a matter of fact, set aside glassy's cure-your-frustration post which had generated 100 (i supposed?) likes, i am utterly surprise that not a single person has taken notice on hidupmelayu's wake-up-peeps post here. This serves as a snap onto your face to those who persist that no race should be included. Yes, it sounds rather 'Malaysian' - that we should not judge 1 by his/her race here blablabla and so on, BUT, it is in fact a bitter pill to swallow for most of us, particularly those who got rejected by JPA eventhough on paper, they are qualified to be awarded the scholarship.

If i were given JPA, OF cause I dont mind the exclusion of race, afetrall, I am given the much sought afetr scholarship regardless on whether I am Bumi or not. BUT, how about others who are rejected by JPA? Of cause they are eager to know the reasons why they are rejected. Yes, I know JPA does not owe anyone, but it is deeply rooted in human nature that we tend to seek an explanation when failures stumble upon us.

If race is included, and IF the general statistics conforms to the so called 1Malaysia principle, then to the LEAST it soothes the broken heart of students here. If it does not, then we know the system is flawed and SHOULD be brought upon the attention of the community. I find it rather absurd that many choose to sweep the persisting problem under the carpet rather than to confront it face to face.

Wake up please. To set the rule as 'no race should be included' here is rather pathetic as to from my POV. If you are well qualified to be awarded the scholarship, you should be proud of your own race, be it Bumi or Non-Bumi. By stating down the race, by all means is to gauge the transparency of JPA, and not to stir up unnecessary racial hatred towards each others as assumed by many.

Regards.

[meiso]

You people sound very much like teenagers in love. Why? Because you so deluded that you quarrel over petty, insignificant issues. Someone mentioned that race should be included in this description, and some other imbecile said no, simply because the very mention of race would be an indication of our supposed superficiality. That's nonsensical. 1Malaysia promotes openness, right? So, if we were truly open, and not racist, we wouldn't mind having our races mentioned. We wouldn't mind having a little bit of constructive criticism now and again. Denying a predicament is not going to solve it. We have to accept that there is indeed a very much imposing problem if we are to tackle it. But what about the bumis? How would they feel, you ask? Well, true, some might feel offended that others attribute their scholarships to no more than breast-feeding from the government instead of their own hard work, but this is not entirely so. A simple request for race is not a request for permission to insult one another. We simply want to know just how the system works. We all endorse the idea of transparency in the system. Unfortunately, JPA has never been particularly transparent because it's thighs and 'assets' aren't hot and busty enough to strut, but I digress. The point is, if they're not going to start, the least we can do is start for them. Putting down your race here is not an endorsement of racism, or bias for that matter, but it is merely a promotion of equality , transparency and justice.



ALL the moderators should read this post and be more open minded and sincere in your feelings,and it is not wrong to voice out our unsatisfaction towards certain system,this is what you call to be critical minded, and not feeling timid towards....kao tao towards.... to always behave "YES" mennnn attitude,i think the present society are more mature nowadays, and it is not easy to bluff the citizen at large. We know that some of you might have secured the govt scholarship but it doesnt mean you must always comply to what the system runs ! it is about injustice or fairness and transparency we are arguing about, so why so worry to post the necessary info over here, just for the sake of making the survey!!! No harm doing it! you all are just over sensitive about the issue of race!!!this is called TIMIDITY!!! bravo to our friend! cheers!!!

[Xon]

ALL the moderators should read this post and be more open minded and sincere in your feelings,and it is not wrong to voice out our unsatisfaction towards certain system,this is what you call to be critical minded, and not feeling timid towards....kao tao towards.... to always behave "YES" mennnn attitude,i think the present society are more mature nowadays, and it is not easy to bluff the citizen at large. We know that some of you might have secured the govt scholarship but it doesnt mean you must always comply to what the system runs ! it is about injustice or fairness and transparency we are arguing about, so why so worry to post the necessary info over here, just for the sake of making the survey!!! No harm doing it! you all are just over sensitive about the issue of race!!!this is called TIMIDITY!!! bravo to our friend! cheers!!!

I am a supermod. I failed JPA PILN with SPM 2007 and did STPM 2009. I am admitted into several overseas universities under some grants now. I have been following this thread and please do not generalize.

I would like to clarify that "Yes Man" attitude does not happen among ReCom Team (Mods/Admins/Devs). Some mods/admins keep quiet (me and those who appear invisible) does not mean they concur with the system.

We got our point of views (about life/Malaysia/economy etc) too (if you read my blog somewhere on the Net). My stand (on this issue) is that "race" cannot be included as it will stir up the frustration among users here.

Do you think and expect everyone is as open-minded as you? Do you think every user here can suppress their depression (and not argue it) after reading this thread with "race" included?

[youngyew]

First of all, please do not assume that my stand, glassylicious' stand, vseehua's stand, ReCom moderator team's stand, all current JPA scholars' stand, JPA bodeker's stand are one and the same. We are all individuals with our own opinions. To make any sort of generalisation from one stand to another is simply inaccurate.

I appreciate hidupmelayu and gaga's fresh input in this issue. To be perfectly transparent, let me share one of my posts in the ReCom moderator thread (which is not usually visible to members):
My stance is that if everyone is mature enough to handle it then we shall not "ban" anything as such, just like the "free speech" principle we have always been upholding in ReCom. However, with this particular issue I prefer to go against the usual principle of "free speech" because the predictable consequence outweighs the benefit. As I said in my post in there, there's simply no point having a survey like this - it's personal, unscientific and have large potential to inflict personal harm. Yes if some bumiputera whose results do not "hold up to non-bumi members' scrutiny" goes ahead and posts his result, ideally he should be mature and open enough to accept whatever fierce debate and discussion of whether or not race is an unfair determinant in the selection process. But unfortunately most people aren't open and mature enough, and quite often the person who's ready to take up such a debate is already a 12A1 scorer who's going to UK for medicine (like hidupmelayu).

Let me make it perfectly clear. My earlier post to discourage posting race is intended to protect personal feelings of potential abuse victim, rather than to sweep things under the carpet. In fact if you have spent long enough time in ReCom and read enough threads outside the scholarship and education forums, you would see that we are no-holds-barred when it comes to discussion of "sensitive issues" as long as a diplomatic and polite attitude is observed. We have discussions ranging from Malaysian politics and scholarships to special rights and religions. You could find all sorts of "fiery debates" of these subjects, and we have never attempted to sweep these under the carpet because we believe in mature free speech, just like most of you do.

However.

With this particular thread, it is not so much about sweeping things under the carpet than the potential to hurt individuals and the uselessness of the whole attempt. May I ask, what is the whole purpose behind putting the "race" category? To establish whether bumiputeras are more likely to get a scholarship for any given result? If this is the case, then you need not even do the survey, since this is quite an evident fact over the years.

Even if this survey were to go on with the "race" category, it would not be a good representation of the whole bumiputera scholar population. I can imagine that a lot of bumiputera who get not-as-good-as-you-would-like results would be reluctant to post their results here lest they be scolded behind their back 571 times a day by their indignant non-bumi counterparts. So the bumis who are more open to posting their results here would be people like hidupmelayu (which I think is an unnecessarily provocative username btw) who is indeed an excellent student. The whole statistics would be skewed, and what use is a skewed statistics when you can have more objective statistics obtainable via other means e.g. via political parties and non-governmental-agencies?

So, stop the baseless accusation that we are "yes man", "under JPA's pay", "sweep things under the carpet". If you care enough to spend any time reading some of our hundreds of threads, you would be awash with counter-evidence to these shallow accusations.

Now, after my explanation, if you guys still insist on posting "race" - please go ahead. If no finger pointing is started, then good job; if I see any finger pointing, then all the clamp-down warnings will still apply, and by that time don't start a whole new thread repeating the whole "yes man", "blinded JPA scholar" and "carpet sweeper" line again.

[henry_yew]

You people sound very much like teenagers in love. Why? Because you so deluded that you quarrel over petty, insignificant issues. Someone mentioned that race should be included in this description, and some other imbecile said no, simply because the very mention of race would be an indication of our supposed superficiality. That's nonsensical. 1Malaysia promotes openness, right? So, if we were truly open, and not racist, we wouldn't mind having our races mentioned. We wouldn't mind having a little bit of constructive criticism now and again. Denying a predicament is not going to solve it. We have to accept that there is indeed a very much imposing problem if we are to tackle it. But what about the bumis? How would they feel, you ask? Well, true, some might feel offended that others attribute their scholarships to no more than breast-feeding from the government instead of their own hard work, but this is not entirely so. A simple request for race is not a request for permission to insult one another. We simply want to know just how the system works. We all endorse the idea of transparency in the system. Unfortunately, JPA has never been particularly transparent because it's thighs and 'assets' aren't hot and busty enough to strut, but I digress. The point is, if they're not going to start, the least we can do is start for them. Putting down your race here is not an endorsement of racism, or bias for that matter, but it is merely a promotion of equality , transparency and justice.

Hurrah! Such a bold statement. So new, so charismatic, so well-worded. However, I differ views.

First of all, nobody claimed that a simple request for race is a permission to insult one another. So I don't know where you get that idea from.

And yes, 1Malaysia promotes openness (but honestly, I don't know where in Najib's 1Malaysia did he state so; I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), and we can be truly open about things. Unfortunately, not everyone here has a calm head (I admit I could have let my temper flared somewhere here, too) and with so many ReComers here facing rejection by the JPA for the PILN, their already warm blood becomes even hotter.

I, or anybody else in ReCom, don't condone arguments like "oh, he got it because of his Bumiputera privilege" or things like that, whether they are worded directly or indirectly, if the race is indicated here. Of course, if I were to see a race indication, still I will not form any judgement whatsoever even if you have results that are poorer than those who were rejected by JPA. But, tell me frankly, do you really trust that everyone is just as matured as you are?

This is not an issue about providing awareness to our Malaysian youths or that we need to start promoting openness now. This is an issue about managing a forum. The moderators are working people or students themselves. They are not paid to manage this forum, and I would give them my utmost empathy that they do not need a big group of hot-headed youths flaming at each other unnecessarily.

So you want to promote equality, justice and (above all), transparency. What sort of equality, justice and transparency are you vouching for by pressing that the race should be indicated?

Above all else, why should race indication be so important in a discussion on results anyway?

ALL the moderators should read this post and be more open minded and sincere in your feelings,and it is not wrong to voice out our unsatisfaction towards certain system,this is what you call to be critical minded, and not feeling timid towards....kao tao towards.... to always behave "YES" mennnn attitude,i think the present society are more mature nowadays, and it is not easy to bluff the citizen at large. We know that some of you might have secured the govt scholarship but it doesnt mean you must always comply to what the system runs ! it is about injustice or fairness and transparency we are arguing about, so why so worry to post the necessary info over here, just for the sake of making the survey!!! No harm doing it! you all are just over sensitive about the issue of race!!!this is called TIMIDITY!!! bravo to our friend! cheers!!!

Meiso, what I have stated above to hidupmelayu applies here as well.

Being dissatisfied about a system is not uncommon. Wanting to voice out your dissatisfaction is not uncommon, too. Unfortunately, not being able to keep your cool and rationality when being faced with a failure is even more not uncommon.

Of course, our present society might be more matured today...

...for as long as they are able to keep a cool head.

There has been so much talk about the injustice, the lack of transparency in the selection system, etc. etc. etc. You feel so bold about writing on your dissatisfaction towards the system here, urging us to be open-minded, etc. etc. etc. You say that we are the "yes-men" and kowtow to the injustice.

Before you say any further, and this applies to all who are fed-up about the injustice and the lack of transparency, let me ask: why don't you vent your dissatisfaction straight to Tan Sri Ismail Adam and urge him to do something about the injustice and the lack of transparency? Wouldn't that be more effective and constructive than venting it out here?

I don't understand how you could come up with the notion that by restricting the indication for race, this is a sign of being timid or kowtowing to "I don't know who" (because you left your sentence hanging there). We've had discussions in other threads about race (have you checked them out?) and even religion. While some of the ReComers were able to discuss rationally and calmly, others were not. Restricting the racial criterion does not imply lack of maturity, but I believe to be a measure of protection for the moderators.

Why should the survey on race be of utmost importance to you? How is it relevant to you? Does it matter if there are more Malays getting the PILN offer as compared to the Chinese, Indians, etc.? Or if there are more non-Malays here getting the PILN offer, does it necessarily imply that the system is fair and just? Do you think you have a good mix of sample, not to mention the appropriate sample size for a survey in ReCom?



thumbs up for hidupmelayu's post. as a matter of fact, set aside glassy's cure-your-frustration post which had generated 100 (i supposed?) likes, i am utterly surprise that not a single person has taken notice on hidupmelayu's wake-up-peeps post here. This serves as a snap onto your face to those who persist that no race should be included. Yes, it sounds rather 'Malaysian' - that we should not judge 1 by his/her race here blablabla and so on, BUT, it is in fact a bitter pill to swallow for most of us, particularly those who got rejected by JPA eventhough on paper, they are qualified to be awarded the scholarship.


Yes, rejection is indeed a very bitter pill to swallow, and I've written a long post especially to those who is facing rejection by JPA. It's here (http://www.recom.org/forum/showpost.php?p=323000&postcount=50).

In short, life is tough. The truth is harsh. Get over it. Go on with life. Rebuild it.


If i were given JPA, OF cause I dont mind the exclusion of race, afetrall, I am given the much sought afetr scholarship regardless on whether I am Bumi or not. BUT, how about others who are rejected by JPA? Of cause they are eager to know the reasons why they are rejected. Yes, I know JPA does not owe anyone, but it is deeply rooted in human nature that we tend to seek an explanation when failures stumble upon us.


Yes, indeed! We are born to be curious. We want answers to "WHY?" especially if we have failed (ironically, we don't ask why we have succeeded, do we? We seem to know the answer, when we don't.).

But you won't find the answers here to your "WHY?" questions unfortunately. Asking them to indicate their races here isn't going to help either.

So what if Q is a Malay who has secured the scholarship, with 6A+ and 4B's? Does it matter? Does it help you in your future applications for scholarships and university placements? So are you going to give up?


If race is included, and IF the general statistics conforms to the so called 1Malaysia principle, then to the LEAST it soothes the broken heart of students here. If it does not, then we know the system is flawed and SHOULD be brought upon the attention of the community. I find it rather absurd that many choose to sweep the persisting problem under the carpet rather than to confront it face to face.


The question of "IF" here is practically inexistent. It is already well-known that the selection system is indeed flawed, and the community at large knows well about it. The society is not sweeping the problems under the carpet, but rather the policy-makers are.

Therefore, when you applied for the JPA scholarships, it should have sunken into you that the system is far from being perfect and fair. Harbouring some hopes that the "general statistics" will conform to the "1Malaysia principle" is quite a denial in itself. Let's be realistic - the system is never fair and the "general statistics" will not paint the real picture for you; hence you will still be in denial. Don't believe me? Perform an analysis of variance and determine the Cronbach alpha, if the statistics are measurable.

You want to do something about the policy-makers, then you think properly first before you cast your vote in the future.


Wake up please. To set the rule as 'no race should be included' here is rather pathetic as to from my POV. If you are well qualified to be awarded the scholarship, you should be proud of your own race, be it Bumi or Non-Bumi. By stating down the race, by all means is to gauge the transparency of JPA, and not to stir up unnecessary racial hatred towards each others as assumed by many.


What is there to gauge anyway on the transparency of JPA? You don't need to state your race here in order to gauge its transparency. Has JPA ever released results in public? Has JPA ever explain to you why you failed? Is that not enough evidence to proof that there is no transparency in JPA?

You don't want to stir up unnecessary racial hatred in the first place, so why do you still want to play with fire?

This is not an issue about whether you are proud of your own race or otherwise. I don't need to state my race just because I'm proud of it, do I?

Will you state that you have tonnes of money just because you are proud of it?

Everyone, please, go and have a nice cup of hot Milo, or a sweet biscuit. Really, I mean it.

[littlewheatgrass]

Fellow malaysian,

I believed all of us recommers are here for a good reason. Both our govt and we ourselves believed thru better education, we can elevate this country to greater height. Being a part of a new generation of highly-educated work force, we will be capable to serve our fellow malaysian better and be more efficient in delivering our service.

Admittedly, there will always be favourism and biasedness, even in developed nations, be it racial based or gender based. There are still be Asian working in a Western corporation complaining abt glass-ceiling when it comes to senior post promotion. There will still be GLC giving preference to bumi applicants or some chinese corporation who only placed advertisement for a post in local chinese newspaper with requirement like "Chinese preferred".

HidupMelayu, gauging by the recent Top 30 National sponsorship recipients, our malay bro & sis took up 13 places. Proving many of our bumi counterparts are good enough to compete with the other races on level plain field without relying on govt positive affirmative policy. But as henry yew mentioned, we don't make the policy, politicians do.

Which leave us to decide either "we choose to manage the situation or let the situation manage us". For the moderators, choosing to omit the race input is by all intend and purpose an attempt to defuse any unnecessary speculation or blame game towards the well-deserved malay bro & sisters. They act with no malice or ill feeling..merely prevailing their sensitivity & maturity by avoid crossing a potential mine field.

[ChewKO]

hi, I do not think stating the race is important at all. Just by talking to a few JPAs pround parents I noticed that Political Association is even more critical than race.
Some well to do families has been given scholarship anyway. The combine income (Fao) exceeding 5 figures. There is no justice at all. To be the cronies of the certain political parties stand even better chance securing scholarship. Look at certain by/'buy' elections are conducted, you will noticed by talking to pround parent & knowimh their background that the awarding of scholarship is between elite group with
political connections Vs the common rakayat which has no political connections.
This factor is even harder to tabulate/obtain. This is my one cent. Thanks.

[gaga]

Hats off to yew henry for performing such a meticulous sentence-by-sentence analysing, words-by-words scrutinizing on meiso, hidupmelayu and my very own POV. and ah, not to forget to mention of his introduction of the alpha cronbach?..of which is beyond my comprehension. I apologise for my below par standard when it comes in dealing with statistics.

While youngyew and henry continuously stressed that 'it is evident that for years, JPA is unjust and unfair, there is no point in including the race factor', which is deemed as sensitive issue, your statement struck me straight into heart.

While many are hoping for a better change in JPA policy which opens to all well-deserved individuals, we have 2 Mods (I assume Henry is) who are publicly telling the ReComers that however the policy-makers' intentions are, JPA is never fair. It contradicts the 1Malaysia concept. Thus there is no point in including the 'spin-our-head' factor in this forum.

However, I do beg to differ.

Not everyone thinking is as such. Although I am not involved in this JPA fiasco (as I am just a bystander, I assume many too), I do harbour hope that JPA will change for good. Call me naive or whatsoever, but there is some glimmer of hope in myself that the government will look into account the merits in SPM rather than skin factor after the hoo-haa of 1Malaysia concept. Thus, this is why I stumbled upon Recom and rather then turning to political parties in a hope that they will release the list of successful candidates, I hope to get a General view of this year JPA applicants. Of cause, I do not intend in doing the beta or alpha cronbach. My intention is to get a general view...how the results and race factor correlate with JPA. Of cause, this will give me a very vague picture on the actual scenario, but to the least, we can get the current pattern. If a Chinese with 6A+ and 4B+ is successful in getting JPA, this tells us (although it does not show us the entire picture) that JPA has started to change its policy as I do not think any Chinese with such result would be able to get JPA over the past years. I hope you can get what I am trying to convey accross.

OK. There is some miscontruction in my previous statement that deals with pride-and-own-race. But What i would want to get across is that, I understand the Mod well-intent in prohibiting the inclusion of Race at initial stage..as the fear of incurring finger-pointing, thus, racial hatred unsue. However, facts remain fact. This is a public forum, where many hopefuls future JPA candidates and parents are constantly login into Recom to get a glimpse on the current issue of education, be it JPA or other issues. There should not be any secrecy in detailing all the details of the successful JPA candidates. Be bold and list out the details. If non-deserving Bumi get it, we accept it with open heart as we know, there is quota for Bumis and yes, Henry is right, JPA IS NOT FAIR at the moment.

Anyway, as stated by youngyew, inclusion of race is prohibitive for non-deserving individual to post up their result , and on the other hand, exclusion will give a sense of protection for them to post up their succesful application. Irony is, you have been constantly telling us that JPA is unfair, do you think that when someone with 2A+ and 8Bs posting up in Recom telling the people that "I get UK Medic' without disclosing his racial identity, given the stigma currently attched to you that JPA is unfair, what comes into your mind automatically? Is He a Bumi or Non-Bumi? (P/S: this is not my stand and I hope this will never offend anyone) With this kind of thinking that JPA is unjust over the years and thus, it will remain unjust simple kills off the rational in excluding race factor.

That's all for what I have wanted to convey. I seriously hope, no one is offended.

And henry,Ya, I am sipping Cold Milo now. With this kind of hot, atrocious weather, Hot Milo is deemed unsuitable. And no, I hate sweet biscuits. Enough of sweet talks at recent.

Regards.

[supergoh]

It is no secret that there is a racial quota for JPA scholarship as it has been published in the newspapers.What is disgusting is that some well politically connected people may also help their children get scholarship through the back door.If you are dissatisfied with the situation,then make good use of your vote to convey your strongest message to the current government.

[littlewheatgrass]

JPA is the HR dept of the civil service. I believe they also look at the applicant other qualities during the interview such as leadership, personality, self confidence & commitment level. Being a potential employer ,they don't hv to disclose to us why they choose to employ Mr A but not Mr B, maybe to the politician Yes, but to us the applicants No. It won't happen in private sector, neither will it happen in public sector.

As on the subject of fairness in the spirit of 1Malaysia (which i don't remember reading, only read abt them talking abt Inclusive but no mention of Fairness ), it is already reported by the minister in parliament that they will continue to their current practice since the constitution dictates the bumi are to be given perference in education. Hence no point discussing further unless the constitution can be amended.

[daffodils]

Hi students, let me tell you something. It is best to get over what you have dreamed of getting but was out of reach. The sooner you get over your disappointment the better it is for you. Do not harbor the disappointment in you until it affects your whole being to the extent that you cannot function rationally. This JPA scholarship fiasco is an annual affair. Every year the same thing happen where students who place too much hope on it find their world crumbling when they fail to clinch the prize.

It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t really matter. Let this sink into your head. It is not the end of the world. There are other options. Most private colleges attract students giving out partial scholarships but the miscellaneous fees and exam fees can add up to quite a few thousands. If you cannot afford private colleges, give STPM a try. Why turn your nose down on STPM when even world famous university like Oxford accepts STPM as entry qualification? And ranking number one in Asia the University of Hong Kong and ranking number three the National University of Singapore accept STPM as entry qualification. STPM has value in the sense that it can be used as entry qualification for both local and international universities. I have many students who ace in STPM studying in NUS and NTU. If you think you have done well in SPM, then you shouldn’t fear taking STPM.

You are no lesser than those who have clinched the scholarship. Everybody has worth. I can see that there that are those who have lesser results and this could have been given because they fall into the category of the socially disadvantaged economic group. Do not envy them.

It is better that you are not given the fish but you learn how to fish. That will make you more resilient. If you can make it on your own without given the free rides then you have paved your way to success. Instead of feeling bitter about not getting what you place so much hope for channel your energy and your thoughts on your next plan. Do not let the bitterness linger on until it festers into a bitter wound. Look forward. Tomorrow will be a better day. Cheers!

[Miracle_seed]

However, I do beg to differ.

Not everyone thinking is as such. Although I am not involved in this JPA fiasco (as I am just a bystander, I assume many too), I do harbour hope that JPA will change for good. Call me naive or whatsoever, but there is some glimmer of hope in myself that the government will look into account the merits in SPM rather than skin factor after the hoo-haa of 1Malaysia concept. Thus, this is why I stumbled upon Recom and rather then turning to political parties in a hope that they will release the list of successful candidates, I hope to get a General view of this year JPA applicants. Of cause, I do not intend in doing the beta or alpha cronbach. My intention is to get a general view...how the results and race factor correlate with JPA. Of cause, this will give me a very vague picture on the actual scenario, but to the least, we can get the current pattern. If a Chinese with 6A+ and 4B+ is successful in getting JPA, this tells us (although it does not show us the entire picture) that JPA has started to change its policy as I do not think any Chinese with such result would be able to get JPA over the past years. I hope you can get what I am trying to convey accross.

OK. There is some miscontruction in my previous statement that deals with pride-and-own-race. But What i would want to get across is that, I understand the Mod well-intent in prohibiting the inclusion of Race at initial stage..as the fear of incurring finger-pointing, thus, racial hatred unsue. However, facts remain fact. This is a public forum, where many hopefuls future JPA candidates and parents are constantly login into Recom to get a glimpse on the current issue of education, be it JPA or other issues. There should not be any secrecy in detailing all the details of the successful JPA candidates. Be bold and list out the details. If non-deserving Bumi get it, we accept it with open heart as we know, there is quota for Bumis and yes, Henry is right, JPA IS NOT FAIR at the moment.

Anyway, as stated by youngyew, inclusion of race is prohibitive for non-deserving individual to post up their result , and on the other hand, exclusion will give a sense of protection for them to post up their succesful application. Irony is, you have been constantly telling us that JPA is unfair, do you think that when someone with 2A+ and 8Bs posting up in Recom telling the people that "I get UK Medic' without disclosing his racial identity, given the stigma currently attched to you that JPA is unfair, what comes into your mind automatically? Is He a Bumi or Non-Bumi? (P/S: this is not my stand and I hope this will never offend anyone) With this kind of thinking that JPA is unjust over the years and thus, it will remain unjust simple kills off the rational in excluding race factor.

That's all for what I have wanted to convey. I seriously hope, no one is offended.

And henry,Ya, I am sipping Cold Milo now. With this kind of hot, atrocious weather, Hot Milo is deemed unsuitable. And no, I hate sweet biscuits. Enough of sweet talks at recent.

Regards.I'm taking the bold sentence (1) as a sarcastic example, as if it happens, I would take it as no improvement at all, as I believe there would be Chinese with way better results out there, every year, and of course more deserving. The same goes to bold sentence (2), I hope you are actually using a sarcastic example, because if you really believe this would happen, I'm afraid it has gone out of rational.

While I have mentioned in other posts, the moment anyone applies for JPA scholarship, he/she should be aware of the existence of racial quota, if he/she doesn't know, I feel sorry for you as you don't do some research regarding this scholarship which you are applying. Many people would say, racial quota is unfair, and it is a product by the policy maker. If you think that they have flaws in the system, and you are dissatisfied, show them through your vote.

Back to the so-called undeserving bumis, is it really that they do not deserve the scholarship, at all? Now look inside the racial quota, and obviously, non-bumis are NOT competing against bumis, they are competing against their counterparts. Now to look into bumis' case apparently we have to just consider the bumis. Take an example, a bumi with 6A+ 4A secured the scholarship, people will start accusing him of undeserving as a non-bumi with such results would almost certain impossible to get the scholarship. However, if you just take bumis, his results already qualify him for the scholarship. So, is he really undeserving? Well, if you don't get it by racial example, I would take gender instead. If say, now local universities insist that they want a male:female ratio of 50:50, now female with the same results than male counterpart might not get in, because it is a fact that in general female students have better results than male, and local public universities have a male:female ratio of 30:70. So now, the male students who manage to get in, are they really undeserving? It is not that they are actually people who fail and couldn't study at all, they too, are consider students with good results. Isn't it unfair to accuse them of undeserving because they get in because of quota, as they too, worked hard through the way?

If you think that system of male:female ratio of 50:50 is flawed, tell the policy makers, do not blame the male students and point a finger at male students you see in universities just because he is a male.

[henry_yew]

While youngyew and henry continuously stressed that 'it is evident that for years, JPA is unjust and unfair, there is no point in including the race factor', which is deemed as sensitive issue, your statement struck me straight into heart.

While many are hoping for a better change in JPA policy which opens to all well-deserved individuals, we have 2 Mods (I assume Henry is) who are publicly telling the ReComers that however the policy-makers' intentions are, JPA is never fair. It contradicts the 1Malaysia concept. Thus there is no point in including the 'spin-our-head' factor in this forum.

However, I do beg to differ.

Not everyone thinking is as such. Although I am not involved in this JPA fiasco (as I am just a bystander, I assume many too), I do harbour hope that JPA will change for good. Call me naive or whatsoever, but there is some glimmer of hope in myself that the government will look into account the merits in SPM rather than skin factor after the hoo-haa of 1Malaysia concept. Thus, this is why I stumbled upon Recom and rather then turning to political parties in a hope that they will release the list of successful candidates, I hope to get a General view of this year JPA applicants. Of cause, I do not intend in doing the beta or alpha cronbach. My intention is to get a general view...how the results and race factor correlate with JPA. Of cause, this will give me a very vague picture on the actual scenario, but to the least, we can get the current pattern. If a Chinese with 6A+ and 4B+ is successful in getting JPA, this tells us (although it does not show us the entire picture) that JPA has started to change its policy as I do not think any Chinese with such result would be able to get JPA over the past years. I hope you can get what I am trying to convey accross.

OK. There is some miscontruction in my previous statement that deals with pride-and-own-race. But What i would want to get across is that, I understand the Mod well-intent in prohibiting the inclusion of Race at initial stage..as the fear of incurring finger-pointing, thus, racial hatred unsue. However, facts remain fact. This is a public forum, where many hopefuls future JPA candidates and parents are constantly login into Recom to get a glimpse on the current issue of education, be it JPA or other issues. There should not be any secrecy in detailing all the details of the successful JPA candidates. Be bold and list out the details. If non-deserving Bumi get it, we accept it with open heart as we know, there is quota for Bumis and yes, Henry is right, JPA IS NOT FAIR at the moment.

Anyway, as stated by youngyew, inclusion of race is prohibitive for non-deserving individual to post up their result , and on the other hand, exclusion will give a sense of protection for them to post up their succesful application. Irony is, you have been constantly telling us that JPA is unfair, do you think that when someone with 2A+ and 8Bs posting up in Recom telling the people that "I get UK Medic' without disclosing his racial identity, given the stigma currently attched to you that JPA is unfair, what comes into your mind automatically? Is He a Bumi or Non-Bumi? (P/S: this is not my stand and I hope this will never offend anyone) With this kind of thinking that JPA is unjust over the years and thus, it will remain unjust simple kills off the rational in excluding race factor.

That's all for what I have wanted to convey. I seriously hope, no one is offended.

And henry,Ya, I am sipping Cold Milo now. With this kind of hot, atrocious weather, Hot Milo is deemed unsuitable. And no, I hate sweet biscuits. Enough of sweet talks at recent.

Regards.

Well, honestly, I am not a moderator here. (Sorry, yeah, mods - I don't mean to "overshadow" you. :P)

Well, I would suggest that you get yourself a copy of the Federal Constitution and have a look at Article 153. Then you will understand how the scholarships are given out and whether or not there is a quota for the Bumiputeras.

So, in the first place itself, we know for the fact that we are not really competing on the same platform. Although we also hope that things will change for the better (that is to provide an equal ground for all of us to compete), that is not likely to happen for as long as Article 153 is in effect.

Yes, the social stigma is there. It's a fact, my friend. The moment you enter university and realise that so many sponsored students fail to even speak and write in fundamental English correctly, you will automatically know that the system is utterly flawed. And actually this does not limit to the Malays but also the Chinese, the Indians, etc.

I don't believe that all the Malays are happy about the stigma attached to them. I believe that many don't require the special privileges accorded to them. I am sure that many of them would also like to compete on an equal platform with other races. The problem is that there is no use of us possessing this so-called "matured" mentality when the people making the decisions do not profess the same mentality. And they can say that they are just merely working according to what the law stipulates.

There is no need to give parents or future applicants a sense of "security" by divulging details like race here if you succeed. Of course, if you want to specify then it's up to you. The moderators won't stop you. But there is really no sense of security to be promoted by indicating your race here.

Let me give you the statistics that I have observed in my university. Every semester, about 500 to 600 students are admitted. Most of them are sponsored. In January 2006, only about 60 non-Bumiputeras out of the approximately 600 students (Bumiputeras included) were admitted with a sponsorship. That number stays about the same for the next two semesters, and rose to about 80 in January 2007 and July 2007.

After the March 2008 elections, there was a sudden fluctuate of non-Bumiputera students being admitted into the university, with about 120 (or more) for the July 2008 intake. However, in January 2009, that number was slashed to about half again. This year, fewer than 100 students were given a sponsorship by PETRONAS to study here.

So there is no guarantee that things will necessarily change for the better when you see a rising pattern. It may just as well be a false sense of security, not to mention politically motivated.

In matters like this, it's really 10% effort and 90% luck for some people.

P/S: Cold Milo is just as good. :amuse

[orthopod]

I'll post the JPA scholarship outcome of people i know

Result 9a+2a
Course :Law
Country :Australia

Result :11a+1a
Course:Med
Country:IMU

Result 12a+1a
Course :Med
College-Melaka Manipal(will reject scholarship)

all above are non -bumiputera.


There's a clear example here-somewhere in recom somebody got JPA scholarship with just 2a's in SPM and then after two attempts at pre-u level manage to get TER of 96.75 and get tajaan tambahan to the UK for vet med .At the mere mention of 2a's for SPM everyone was speculating about the recipient being Bumi but with further explanation and the fact that the recipient came from a chinese independant school,the flavour of the topic changed so drastically

In fact there's clear indication that JPA wanted at least 9a's for SPm for the tajaan tambahan thingy but then they did give some leeway..

Also,99.999% of the tajaan tambahan recipients were Non bumis with chinese forming the bulk of the recipients..Some really had good offers and outstanding results but many had mediocre results and offers such as BSc etc ..which is actually quite effortless..

I think JPA would have been better off keeping the scholarships for bumi like it was 13 years ago.Nobody questioned anything.Everybody had to accept it and couldnt say a SINGLE word or complain or appeal...etc.


and I am NON BUMI okay.I do not like some of the gov's policies as well..but hey..sometimes the non -malays try to be really funny and go overboard.

Bottom line,we can comment and and voice our dissatisfaction,but hey..we got to be FAIR in doing so.

[chriseveraldo]

Hi guys,

There's been something that's been niggling in my mind for the past few days. I've been silently observing this thread almost everyday to catch up with your thoughts. Yeah, all of you have given out good points, and I applaud the moderator and other people for their stance on the racial card.

There's something I've got to point out, though.

I've noticed that nobody has been looking at their PILN/PIDN results from the point of view of the jpa. We all know that the bulk of civil servants are bumis. If I recall correctly, Tunku Abdul Rahman struck a deal with Tun Tan Cheng Lock that the bumis will remain a majority as government servants ( Tun Mahathir said this, I think). Now, this policy has been reversed gradually in these last decades, with a significant increase of non-bumis in the civil service. As such, the scholarship given out to non-bumis have also increase to accommodate this new policy. But the bumis still make up the bulk of governments servants today.

Do you think that this factor plays a role in awarding the scholarship? Maybe the policy makers think that we non-bumis aren't that much involved in the civil service

This is a question, mind you, and not some type of provocation

[littlewheatgrass]

There's a clear example here-somewhere in recom somebody got JPA scholarship with just 2a's in SPM and then after two attempts at pre-u level manage to get TER of 96.75 and get tajaan tambahan to the UK for vet med .At the mere mention of 2a's for SPM everyone was speculating about the recipient being Bumi but with further explanation and the fact that the recipient came from a chinese independant school,the flavour of the topic changed so drastically

In fact there's clear indication that JPA wanted at least 9a's for SPm for the tajaan tambahan thingy but then they did give some leeway..

.

It was me you mentioned abt getting 2A for SPM, somehow i regret letting it out in the open. My sole intention is to motivate those unsuccessful applicants to think positively and make a 2nd attempt to secure a JPA scholarship via Ivy league category. Sadly, there are other recommers who pick up the post and make an issue out of this.

To get an unconditional offer from Edinburgh is extremely difficult, not bcos only 1 in every 16 applicants is accepted, also the fact that out of the Top 20 universities, 13 U.S Uni - not recognised, McGill & ANU do not offer Vet med, which leave me with 2 choices out of 5 UK Uni since only Cambridge & Edinburgh hv Vet Medicine.

Before being admitted, it is mandatory i acquired 4 weeks of farm experience working in pig, chicken, horse, cattle ,sheep farm separately & another 2 wks working in a local Vet clinic dealing with dogs and cats. Given the stringent entry requirement coupled by the fact that limited places are offered to international students, our government are well aware that not many of their PILN scholars did managed to secure a place doing Vet Med in elite universities. Moreover just the thought of dealing with pigs and dogs, and doing your clinical all-day out in a farm at sub-zero temperature in Scotland really put them off..


Maybe as what you mentioned, they are easing on the SPM 9A requirement,or maybe they don't really want to take that into consideration since getting through the university admission requirement is already an indication that the applicant is up to the mark. Note that there are also one or two JPA ivy-league applicants who apply to do medicine in.. I think in Imperial, using their overseas IB result and hv no SPM. JPA did ok their application.

[orthopod]

I am not discrediting your credentials..but then I was just giving an example..i totally get your intentions...lol..that recommer got 45/45 for IB -thats..equivalent to 7 or 8 a's in a levels and not even comparable to Australian matriculation-JPA needs such people..but then sadly..I dont think people of such calibre would come back to serve the government..it might be a waste of public funds.

[littlewheatgrass]

I am not discrediting your credentials..but then I was just giving an example..i totally get your intentions...lol..that recommer got 45/45 for IB -thats..equivalent to 7 or 8 a's in a levels and not even comparable to Australian matriculation-JPA needs such people..but then sadly..I dont think people of such calibre would come back to serve the government..it might be a waste of public funds.

Thank for your support and understanding:)

[jinxiang]

(I hope my sharing doesn't not come into conflict with this themed thread.)

As a candidate sitting for SPM 2008 I was considerably naive and narrow-minded to have thought of and fully believed in some mind-provoking statements and sheer sentimental ideas. I used to make comparisons among the scholarship holders to defy the credibility of the yardstick used in determining the PSD scholarship winners. I used to stick to my own opinion such that all of the scholarships should be distributed to all the best brains to be fair while defining best brain as accademically strong, to be particular, being able to excel in examination like those holding SPM result with a string of A1s. That is why I used to advocate the abolition of quota. I would have been cynical to question and critic every flawed aspect in an irrational and inappropriate manner.

However.

Since I got myself involved into threads in ReCom, although I'm relatively passive in this forum, I did spend some time to read through the debate regarding these hot topics. I was intrigued by the insightful and constructive posts which pushed myself to further reflect on my own indifference, ignorance and childishness. I tried to rebuild my own perspective towards these issues and learned to comment on it properly and sensibly. I do recommend newcomers to benefit yourselves here in the same way as what i did. It is a part of learning.

For those who despise the quota system:

If someone managed to secure excellent result for SPM after striving hard, you would probably say it is unfair to have deprived him from the PSD scholarship. If someone from a different background didn't have similar access to conducive environment but also strived hard to obtain a a-little-less-than-excellent result, you would also probably say it is unfair to have fully given out scholarships entirely based on meritocracy without considerating ethnics, race percentage, regions of population or any other reasonable and possible aspects.

I would like to compare the above situation using another situation below.

It has always been a huge wealth gradient in our country as well as many other countries. I guess all of us agree it is not sensible to leave the group of people in poverty to stand in the tight econimic competition alone. In this case, the rich will get richer because they have their own monetary ability, the poor will get poorer because they are totally left helplessly. That is why our policy-makers have decided to introduce some tax and subsidy-related policy to minimise the gradient. We don't lodge a complain such that heavy taxes are directed to rich people, do we?

If we apply the same analogy to PSD scholarship distribution system, we can find another angle to get a new view.

P/S: Don't get me wrong, I do not have any intention to bring about any personal opinion that the system is perfect and unflawed. Improvement is still needed anyway.

[lalala]

try to put youself in the position of the rejected,then you wont talk such a 'rubbish'over here!! i can understand the plight of these people!YOU are the lucky one to tread the different path, so you can just talk good points of the ONE who picked U! go and look around today at 3pm in most of the MCA branch, then you will feel how unfair the selection process!!
and dont try to give your 'sweet talk' over here, reserved it for you and those already secured the JPA, be more empathy and understand to those who really deserved it, i still believe, merits should come 1st, then we will talk about 1Malaysia!!!

duh!! those who got the scholarship will definitely talk good bout the government...==''
please understand others circumstances.

[littlewheatgrass]

Saw someone posted this statistic on the web, Not sure if this is accurate :-
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The following is the statistics of this year JPA scholarship recipients:

Total places = 1500

1- Excellent Bumi students = 406
2- Excellent Chinese students = 497
3- Excellent Indian students = 115
4- Excellent Sabah/Sarawak Bumi students = 184
5- Excellent underprivileged students = 298

[ara]

Saw someone posted this statistic on the web, Not sure if this is accurate :-
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The following is the statistics of this year JPA scholarship recipients:

Total places = 1500

1- Excellent Bumi students = 406
2- Excellent Chinese students = 497
3- Excellent Indian students = 115
4- Excellent Sabah/Sarawak Bumi students = 184
5- Excellent underprivileged students = 298



hey this shows it went for more chinese students and the jpa has said that 55 percent is for bumi's..so i dun think this is accurate!!..haiz..

[littlewheatgrass]

hey this shows it went for more chinese students and the jpa has said that 55 percent is for bumi's..so i dun think this is accurate!!..haiz..

I am trying to get confirmation on the accuracy of this data....Maybe some the other bumi fell under the underprivilege category ?? But then 298 is more than the 10% allocated ??

On 2nd thought, doubt the govt will release this figure prematurely given there are applicants still filing in for appeal ...

[ipin]

PNB results already came out?
i thought it will be out this end of may.

no.sorry to stir up some confusion.pnb haven't released their rsult yet.
good luck:)

[acgerlok7]

no.sorry to stir up some confusion.pnb haven't released their rsult yet.
good luck:)

hey ipin..how's ur jpa? did u manage to get it?i stil rmbr the "movie teaser" we made tht day...hehe:laugh

[clep]

duh!! those who got the scholarship will definitely talk good bout the government...==''
please understand others circumstances.

Regarding this irritating scholar-obeisance stereotype: just because some of them don't talk about it in public spaces, for rather obvious reasons, doesn't mean they don't have differing opinions.

Also, think about what that implies about people who want to get the scholarship, for goodness' sake.

[Desperadonie]

The poor who can't help themselves (due to certain unavoidable circumstances) are given priviledges, that's very good, right? But for people who can help themselves, should they be given priviledges? Should they???? I know for sure for a country to be progressive, we need smart leaders. Where to get smart leaders? Something for you all to ponder on........

[AnnieChan]

heyy.. been following this thread since it started.. just wanted to share my two cents here. First of, my utmost appreciation to the moderators and members for their insight in keeping the situation here from boiling over.

Honestly speaking, i've been rather disappointed in some harsh opinions made by some of our fellow recommers who did not get the scholarship. I know you're upset but please do not see things through one narrow perspective only. As a matter of fact, I beg to differ that those who got the scholarships are supporting the government blindly. I, for one am holding neutral ground here.
To shed light on the sensitive matter of bumis getting scholarships due to bias and such. How would you feel if you've done so hard for your results only to have an intruding finger pointing at you saying that you got it just because of your background..? Now, i may not know much about the politics surrounding this issue as some have kindly pointed out but i feel its injustice to stand idly and not speak out and clarify on this issue that has been upsetting, im sure many people, regardless of race.
Some of my friends happens to be bumis and they are some of the most hardworking people i know.. so it is understandable why a few obtained the scholarship. Put aside their background for once and see them for themselves. ( this POV is not intended in any way to restart any verbal wars that erupted earlier, its just my stand that you shouldn't look at people because of their background ) The criteria for the scholarships is unbeknownst to all of us.. so why accuse our fellow bumi friends who is not at fault ? And if you want to point the quota issue at my face, it is not their fault. the quota wasn't set by them but PSD..its unfair, i know but don't harbour hard feelings on our bumi brothers and sisters due to this unavoidable circumstance.

And please do not accuse me on standing on anyone's side just because i got a share of the scholarship too. Like i have said earlier, i'm on neutral ground and i intend to stay there :)

[youngyew]

duh!! those who got the scholarship will definitely talk good bout the government...==''
please understand others circumstances.
Here comes the same line again. Did you even read our replies?

[AnnieChan]

exactly.. lalala.. i suggest you go and read all those longggg posts about this issue before making another comment like this :)

[vseehua]

Here comes the same line again. Did you even read our replies?
Some will never see reason no matter what the others say.

[littlewheatgrass]

Some will never see reason no matter what the others say.

Is this a common behaviour pattern with unsuccessful applicants every year ??:amuse

[Xon]

Is this a common behaviour pattern with unsuccessful applicants every year ??:amuse

Yes. =(

*we're off topic already,sorry*

[vseehua]

Is this a common behaviour pattern with unsuccessful applicants every year ??:amuse
We see it year, after year, after year. This has never failed to happen in the past. Each year, unsuccessful ones point to various causes why they didn't receive scholarships: rich people taking up their slots, racial inequality, corruption/nepotism/cronism/cyronism, you name it.

What many fail to see is the limited amount of place that is offered to students. This year, we only have 1500 places available, and JPA has to pick them out of the 10k+ students. It is a solid fact that many will not get it despite getting excellent results for SPM.

The seniors and mods feel it when they see deserving people rejected from it. However, we are powerless to change it; we are not involved in the selection process. The only thing we can do here is to provide consolation, and try to reason with these rejects.

Perhaps due to anger, we ended up being lashed by them. I personally think that is unreasonable of them to do so. Anyway can read through the past posts of the moderators and seniors to see that we don't arbitrarily support what the government and opposition has done. Being a bullseye target for the rejects is one thing; it is another thing altogether to be called a "yes-man." It is plain unneeded, and extremely insulting! If we are the "yes-men" as claimed, we would have just deleted any posts that go against the government, and banning people as we go.

We have worked hard, and voluntarily over the years here in ReCom in order to provide Malaysian students with a platform where they can discuss without fear of censorship (provided they do it reasonably). Reading comments like this puts a damper on our enthusiasm to help. Just these few days, being a target of life fire practice, I almost rage-quitted ReCom. I am sure some of the mods feel the same way as well. What is the point of helping if we are going to be made scrap-goats when people don't get their scholarships?

[littlewheatgrass]

We see it year, after year, after year. This has never failed to happen in the past. Each year, unsuccessful ones point to various causes why they didn't receive scholarships: rich people taking up their slots, racial inequality, corruption/nepotism/cronism/cyronism, you name it.

What many fail to see is the limited amount of place that is offered to students. This year, we only have 1500 places available, and JPA has to pick them out of the 10k+ students. It is a solid fact that many will not get it despite getting excellent results for SPM.

The seniors and mods feel it when they see deserving people rejected from it. However, we are powerless to change it; we are not involved in the selection process. The only thing we can do here is to provide consolation, and try to reason with these rejects.

Perhaps due to anger, we ended up being lashed by them. I personally think that is unreasonable of them to do so. Anyway can read through the past posts of the moderators and seniors to see that we don't arbitrarily support what the government and opposition has done. Being a bullseye target for the rejects is one thing; it is another thing altogether to be called a "yes-man." It is plain unneeded, and extremely insulting! If we are the "yes-men" as claimed, we would have just deleted any posts that go against the government, and banning people as we go.

We have worked hard, and voluntarily over the years here in ReCom in order to provide Malaysian students with a platform where they can discuss without fear of censorship (provided they do it reasonably). Reading comments like this puts a damper on our enthusiasm to help. Just these few days, being a target of life fire practice, I almost rage-quitted ReCom. I am sure some of the mods feel the same way as well. What is the point of helping if we are going to be made scrap-goats when people don't get their scholarships?

Sorry you guys are treated as a punching bag. Take it easy...

JPA rejection is only Chapter 1, somewhere down our life all of us will faced more unsuccessful experiences at some point.

a) Unsuccessful in boy & girl relationship
b) Unsuccessful in landing ourselves an ideal job /post
c) Unsuccessful in getting a credit card
d) Unsuccessful in getting a car / housing loan
e) Unsuccessful in our business venture

Better start early and get used to failure is part of success .

[gaga]

-> To vseehua, youngyew and Mods of Recom: I understand the well-intent of the community in aiding the students in terms of providing them vital information on scholarships. If my previous statement had incurred the wrath of you, I apologize as certainly, this is not my main intention of stirring up unnecessary chaos and hatred in this lovely forum. As a matter of fact, I myself was an avid Recomers dated few years ago, and not forgetting to mention, was as enthusiastic and energetic as fellows 2010 JPA applicants who keep on login onto Recom to see for any updates on JPA by our fellow Mods and peeps prior to the release of the application result.

I shamefully admit that I am one of the JPA rejects who had been irrationally bashing one of the successful applicants. Derogatory terms, coupled with vulgarities were targeted at him. Needless to say, I was warned by the Moderators.

For successful JPA applicants, Congratulation on getting one of the most sought-after scholarships. And be grateful. However, I would hope that they do care for the feelings of non-successful counterparts' feeling. Let me give you an example. During my year, imagine my frustration when this guy was asking the opinion of fellow Recomers should he request for a change of country , from Australia to UK under JPA result thread. No offense but i found it VERY annoying. Of cause you can discuss this under appropriate thread such as "Discussion for Australia bound student', but what the heck, this guy was choosing to discuss on changing country in some thread where others were teary eyed, facing the computer hoping to seek solace from words of comforting from others. And another point is, I have friends who posted something like "YAY I GOT JPA" , ranging from their facebook to MSN personal msgs. YEA, Gratz to you all...BUT do you really have to do this? Plastering every nook and corner telling the whole world on your success? Please care for others' feelings =(

For those who are rejected by JPA, Face it. We cant do much. Piece of advise from me would be- CRY if you have to. I find it rather ridiculous to tell someone not to be sad when facing this kind of circumstance. Let us be practical. You have a reason to be sad. And it is normal to be SAD. Hundreds if not thousands of other hopeful applicants are probably still crying right now. Cry yourself to sleep if you have too. But, please rejuvenate yourself after shedding all your tears, playing the blame game and cursing others under your breathe. Definitely, you will see many of your friends whom you feel less deserving are succesful JPA applicants. This is life. Nothing is FAIR in this world.

From this rejection, I hope it will enlighten you on our education's current system. If the government does not want you, you have 2 options. Be a crying loser for the rest of your life or... Work hard in your STPM and write your own future in somewhere else where you truly belong to.

Regards.

[henry_yew]

duh!! those who got the scholarship will definitely talk good bout the government...==''
please understand others circumstances.

You're just simply... difficult, aren't you? Did you read our replies?

[henry_yew]

For those who are rejected by JPA, Face it. We cant do much. Piece of advise from me would be- CRY if you have to. I find it rather ridiculous to tell someone not to be sad when facing this kind of circumstance. Let us be practical. You have a reason to be sad. And it is normal to be SAD. Hundreds if not thousands of other hopeful applicants are probably still crying right now. Cry yourself to sleep if you have too. But, please rejuvenate yourself after shedding all your tears, playing the blame game and cursing others under your breathe. Definitely, you will see many of your friends whom you feel less deserving are succesful JPA applicants. This is life. Nothing is FAIR in this world.

From this rejection, I hope it will enlighten you on our education's current system. If the government does not want you, you have 2 options. Be a crying loser for the rest of your life or... Work hard in your STPM and write your own future in somewhere else where you truly belong to.


Good for you! You will climb back again, higher than you may expect yourself to. I've said it before: don't wallow in self-pity over your failure. Languishing yourself because you got rejected by JPA isn't going to help you rebuild your study life.

There are many avenues for you to get financial assistance. It may not be now, but you will learn that JPA is not the only "lucrative" scholarship provider here. If you are particularly interested in the UK, the British Council can provide information on scholarships, e.g. the Chevening Scholarships. There are other avenues. Just click on "Search" above, and under "Grantor", look at the list of scholarship or sponsorship providers. If you think you want to contact somebody with one particular scholarship, then select that scholarship and click the "Search" button. The database will list out names of scholars sponsored by that particular provider/company/country.

Many have gone out of the country with other scholarships. Go and find out more about them!

[wany_kyo]

im sory but maybe it is wrong for me to post here coz im not applied for jpa scholarshp but i m under mara scholarship...but i juz want to share my thought...
i truly understood y some students were so damn sad if they didnt get jpa scholarship...coz ,if it was me who didnt get the scholarship...its like the end of my world...coz to be honest i cant think other ways to further my studies in overseas...we cant afford to pay for our own...the cost was soo high!so,no words cant comfort me if i fail to hold the scholarship...so,i truly agree in there shouldnt be people who ask or boost bout their scholar....coz i really think we should think bout other people too...
n a fren of mine which is non malay....didnt get matrik,upu,or scholar...eventho,she got gud results...but some malay students who manage to score 3 or 4a's still got offers from matrik n upu...so,i really felt its kinda unfair...we as malays shud be grateful for what we av...n try to be a better person...

[Restl3ss]

Actually, the thing that hurts the most is to know that everything you did were in vain. It's not because you aren't capable of getting it. It's just because you were destined and borned so, and you aren't good enough compared to those of your own.

I don't want to complain and know that we're lucky in lots of way. But still, it's sad.

(well, you guys can ignore and continue.. :laugh)

[manglish_lysia]

-> To vseehua, youngyew and Mods of Recom: I understand the well-intent of the community in aiding the students in terms of providing them vital information on scholarships. If my previous statement had incurred the wrath of you, I apologize as certainly, this is not my main intention of stirring up unnecessary chaos and hatred in this lovely forum. As a matter of fact, I myself was an avid Recomers dated few years ago, and not forgetting to mention, was as enthusiastic and energetic as fellows 2010 JPA applicants who keep on login onto Recom to see for any updates on JPA by our fellow Mods and peeps prior to the release of the application result.

I shamefully admit that I am one of the JPA rejects who had been irrationally bashing one of the successful applicants. Derogatory terms, coupled with vulgarities were targeted at him. Needless to say, I was warned by the Moderators.

For successful JPA applicants, Congratulation on getting one of the most sought-after scholarships. And be grateful. However, I would hope that they do care for the feelings of non-successful counterparts' feeling. Let me give you an example. During my year, imagine my frustration when this guy was asking the opinion of fellow Recomers should he request for a change of country , from Australia to UK under JPA result thread. No offense but i found it VERY annoying. Of cause you can discuss this under appropriate thread such as "Discussion for Australia bound student', but what the heck, this guy was choosing to discuss on changing country in some thread where others were teary eyed, facing the computer hoping to seek solace from words of comforting from others. And another point is, I have friends who posted something like "YAY I GOT JPA" , ranging from their facebook to MSN personal msgs. YEA, Gratz to you all...BUT do you really have to do this? Plastering every nook and corner telling the whole world on your success? Please care for others' feelings =(

For those who are rejected by JPA, Face it. We cant do much. Piece of advise from me would be- CRY if you have to. I find it rather ridiculous to tell someone not to be sad when facing this kind of circumstance. Let us be practical. You have a reason to be sad. And it is normal to be SAD. Hundreds if not thousands of other hopeful applicants are probably still crying right now. Cry yourself to sleep if you have too. But, please rejuvenate yourself after shedding all your tears, playing the blame game and cursing others under your breathe. Definitely, you will see many of your friends whom you feel less deserving are succesful JPA applicants. This is life. Nothing is FAIR in this world.

From this rejection, I hope it will enlighten you on our education's current system. If the government does not want you, you have 2 options. Be a crying loser for the rest of your life or... Work hard in your STPM and write your own future in somewhere else where you truly belong to.

Regards.

Gaga will certainly make the world goes GAGA one day!

I believe that maybe the hardest part is to keep one's virtue after a success. When I was reading your post, I have found myself playing the poem "IF" in my head.

I can certainly feel what you have felt when some scholars declared to every corner of the world about their success. Of course good news are meant to be spread around, but not the extend that cuts the borderline of "too much". It is worst when someone add salt on your wounds when your down. It hurts, ouch, kills, pains.....words can't describe it.

Sometimes, is not that JPA applicants are no good, it is just luck. I believe strongly in luck. There are a lot of things that we felt that we work hard and deserve for. But sometimes, luck is just not by our side. However, there is always another road, much better for us.

Maybe a lil' story from me? =)

My sister has always done well both academic and koko. But she didn't get JPA. All of us were saddened by the fact. She was disappointed. But she healed quickly from that. Going through STPM was not a easy smooth ride. But maybe because of JPA, she is now what she is. She was offered full scholarship by NUS and NTU. Now, she already traveled to three countries in just two years and all sponsored.

There is always another road to everything. When you are not given that particular something, you might have other chances coming to you, just waiting for the right time to jump at you! Grab hold of yourselves and ready for the upcoming adventure!

My last word will be to gaga and restless : Keep it up you guys! I believe one day you guys will certainly rock the world!

[youngyew]

One of the most insightful lines ever about life, success and failure: "If you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two imposters just the same.."

I never understood it fully until I experienced a major setback and found myself uplifted by this line.

[orthopod]

One of the most insightful lines ever about life, success and failure: "If you can meet with triumph and disaster, and treat those two imposters just the same.."

I never understood it fully until I experienced a major setback and found myself uplifted by this line.


that's from the poem "If" by rudyard kipling.

[Plankton]

I know of a guy who was not offered JPA in Stampin (whereever that is, it's fine) nor any scholarship even though his results was nevertheless superb years back, and so he decided to go into Form Six and took up five subjects. Obtained straight A's in STPM, was offered a place in Cambridge, and there he is now pursuing medicine and FOC from the government.

What really matters is that you do your best for whatever course you may be doing, whether you're funded or not from the government. Some day, if not now, your efforts will be acknowledged. JPA may have rejected you, but it's not the only path.

Being rejected in life is one of the many lessons we have to learn before we become a true adult.

Even so, adults should have fun, so enjoy life with your friends and family while you still can. :)

[lamentation]

Pls do not label yourself or them as "rejects". There are only successful ones and unsuccessful ones. Do give credit to the unsuccessful ones. Rejects sound too harsh for those who are already hurting.They worked equally hard. Do allow them time to heal. They are struggling with transparencies of the whole selection process. There are only searching for answers. If you can't provide, just keep silent.

Let's us not be the "righteous" to tell them what to do, to move on, don't give up, study hard etc etc...... they are not in a proper state of mind to think.

Successful ones must "celebrate" humbly. It's a skill that we all must learn. Life is a journey. Rain falls on good and bad people.

[littlewheatgrass]

Let's look at things at a broader perspective.

There are around 465,000 students taking SPM last year but not everybody want to go further in their studies

By now, there should be at least 180,000 yearly intake for IPTS and at least 200,000 intake for IPTA. Unless you are doing some courses that are not available in M'sia, I disagree with many who claimed they cannot further their education unless they are given scholarship. What they preferred is going Oversea, nothing to do with denial of education.

Secondly, I also applied to study Perubatan Veterinar in UPM as my local choice, though they are yet to announce the successful applicants until 3rd week of June. If i don't receive any scholarship fr JPA, i will go local..no big deal.

Thirdly, SPM is not even pre-U..how often we heard abt top scorer at pre-U level denied a place to study anywhere in M'sia or S'pore?

At the end of the day, all the whining is abt i WANT, i WANT, i WANT.. just like a mummy girl/ boy hanging on their mother's petticoat.

[vseehua]

that's from the poem "If" by rudyard kipling.
The poem in full:
[quote]


[INDENT] If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;

If you can dream

[Caprix_J]

I hope recommer's can return to peace again ....
Like what we did last time ....
I guess most of us started to know recom after searching for JPA's related forum ....
And share everything here ....
Recom has become more and more popular cause there're a lot of applicants and scholars here ....
We can share everything and be friend , chatting and experience sharing like what we always do
So I hope we wont argue over matters again
Recom is a great site for all of us
Let's appreciate it ....
We recommers must be proud to be a part of recom ....

[hhhcce]

Reject is not necessarily a bad word IMO.

To share a story of my own, eons ago, I was dejected when my application was turned down. But, looking back, it was a blessing in disguise. I ended up cruising through A level and undergraduate (in Canada) with a number of scholarships that I managed to secure with my results. Now, I am a PhD candidate in the States (with again a fully funded fellowship).

And, I am not bonded to the government for 10 years (not that it is a bad thing). Therefore to me, rejections beget opportunities.

[youngyew]

"Reject" is not inherently a bad word as it simply means "someone / something that has been rejected". It's the negative response and stigma that comes along with it that gives it a negative buzz.

Anyway with regards to the notion of "the scholarship recipients should celebrate humbly", I think it really depends on how you perceive the "celebration" by the recipients. To a rejected person, even seeing their classmate jumping up and down in the school could be an excruciating experience. And would this be a good reason enough for the classmate to actively suppress their joy? I would personally say no, for the same reasons that we have no reason to stop World Cup winners collapsing on the floor, leaping in joy, throwing their shirt to the audience or punching their first in the air just because the losing team is standing right next to them. I feel that as long as there is no insensitive gestures such as jeering, mocking, or inappropriate consolation (which is admittedly very hard to gauge since any consolation given by the recipient would likely be received badly), there's no reason for us to say "hey, you there, stop celebrating right now!!".

[quest_5692]

im not in this war, just want to ask smtg.

i searched through a few jpa tread and found out theres no recommers got JPA in law. i used search engine only so there might be just i missed out something. any active recommers saw any?

[youngyew]

Haha since when is this a war? It's a discourse.

I don't think I have seen specific threads or posts about JPA law yet, feel free to post in this thread to attract attention from other JPA law applicants and recipients:

http://www.recom.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6829

[pothguru]

im not in this war, just want to ask smtg.

i searched through a few jpa tread and found out theres no recommers got JPA in law. i used search engine only so there might be just i missed out something. any active recommers saw any?

Hey i got an offer from JPA for law.. but seems like there's not many other recommers

[AnnieChan]

you guys could try browsing through the original thread for piln and pidn results.. all results have been posted up by recommers there :)

[Boyz_Zoo]

Jz as I thought tat it will be peaceful this year. The typical argument is back.:(

C'est la vie.
In French, for tat's life. This proverb tat life nvr goes d way tat v wanted. V will be facing many obstacles and we r bound to fail some of them. Some fail in their studies, some other in love and some other in getting a scholarship, but tat's how life goes around.

Not evry mean to chosen for JPA. yes, i know the selection criteria might not be 100% as some of them maybe they dun deserve cause they used political connections or cheated on their pay slip, etc.

However, I believe in karma. Those who did their best in tryin 2 get d scholarship will be rewarded. maybe not by JPA scholarship, n maybe ur all hv 2 go through a tougher street, but i believe u will emerge victorious.
Let bygones be bygones. Focus on ur studies in Form 6, Matrix, College, etc. Aim for d success in life.

Bonne Chance a tous!!! (Gud luck to all)

[kykoay]

im not in this war, just want to ask smtg.

i searched through a few jpa tread and found out theres no recommers got JPA in law. i used search engine only so there might be just i missed out something. any active recommers saw any?

Are you talking about people from your cohort (yes, you guys are scary) or your seniors? If they send you to Australia you go to Taylor's College to study in SAM (you have 18months whereas the normal duration of the course is 12 month). If they send you to UK, you study in KDU for A Levels. Again, there are a few seniors there.

[yanno_yamster]

im not in this war, just want to ask smtg.

i searched through a few jpa tread and found out theres no recommers got JPA in law. i used search engine only so there might be just i missed out something. any active recommers saw any?

Are you talking about people from your cohort (yes, you guys are scary) or your seniors? If they send you to Australia you go to Taylor's College to study in SAM (you have 18months whereas the normal duration of the course is 12 month). If they send you to UK, you study in KDU for A Levels. Again, there are a few seniors there.

I've got a bunch of JPA Law friends in Taylor's here :laugh If there's anything you wish to know I'll try to ask them.

[music_freak28]

This thread is filled with so much anger and dissatisfaction, which is not positive at all. Yes, it is human nature to feel jealous and dejected of others who have secured JPA but is it right to blame others? You may say that it is closed minded not to compare among races, but what good do you get out of it? Does knowing that race may have been a factor in this issue be beneficial in your future undertakings? Will it help improve your studies or common knowledge, or it is just for the sake of satisfaction? Plus, would it be fair to say that race is the ONLY factor considered in giving scholarships?

Just move on, really. Are you going to let this one rejection affect the rest of your life? Yes, you may cry a little, you may want to scream your lungs out but are you going to be stuck in the past forever? This one rejection does not mean that your future have combusted in flames, it just took an alternative route which is still UNWRITTEN. It is up to you now whether to make your life miserable by continuously ranting or to fight again and rise from the ashes.

Ellen Degeneres didn't just miraculously win 12 Emmys without facing countless rejections. And it is the same for every successful person. The key? Don't Stop Believing. :)

[acgerlok7]

Are you talking about people from your cohort (yes, you guys are scary) or your seniors? If they send you to Australia you go to Taylor's College to study in SAM (you have 18months whereas the normal duration of the course is 12 month). If they send you to UK, you study in KDU for A Levels. Again, there are a few seniors there.

Some of my friends were sent to Sunway UC for ausmat.=)

[bekann]

Some of my friends were sent to Sunway UC for ausmat.=)

Were there many Ausmat-ians in Sunway UC? JPA scholars I mean.

[lesto]

Were there many Ausmat-ians in Sunway UC? JPA scholars I mean.

31 of them, all medicine and dentistry students only (for SPM 2008 batch).

[Boyz_Zoo]

Source:http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2010/6/11/nation/6443476&sec=nation

Government urged to review scholarship allocations

By K. SUTHAKAR
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KUALA LUMPUR: An Indian group has urged the Government to be fair to minorities and marginalised groups in the awarding of Public Services Department (PSD) scholarships.
Federation of Malaysian Indian Organisations president A. Rajaretinam said he was saddened that of the 1,500 scholarships given out recently, 1,200 went to bumiputras and the rest to non-Malays.
http://thestar.com.my/archives/2010/6/11/nation/n_pg22rajaretinam.jpg Disappointed: Rajaretinam hopes that the same number of scholarships as in 2009 can be given out this year.

“We are not against Umno or bumiputras. We just want non-Malays to be given the same number of scholarships that was given out last year and the year before in line with the democratisation of education,” he said yesterday.

On Wednesday, Rajaretinam was among those present at a meeting between Pakatan Rakyat MPs and NGOs over the controversial allocation of scholarships.
The meeting, held at Parliament lobby, erupted into a quarrel when Umno MPs apparently gate-crashed the gathering.

Rajaretinam said he was told that the PSD would conduct a review following the public outcry.
“If they are going to reinstate the number of scholarships to 2,100, which was the total number given out previously, the remaining 600 scholarships should be given to non-Malays,” he said.
Rajaretinam said he was surprised over PSD’s decision to give 80% of the scholarships to bumiputras this time when the formula for the past two years was 55% Malays and 45% non-Malays.

The Kota Baru-born Rajaretinam, who wears a turban, clarified that he was not a Sikh as assumed by many people.

“It’s part of Hindu culture to wear turbans although it is compulsory among Sikhs.
“I have been wearing a turban for the past 25 years in following the footsteps of great Indian poets and freedom fighters like Swami Vivekananda and Subramanya Bharathi, who also wore turbans,” he said.

Based on the article, we all know about the problem with our JPA scholarships. If we complain like the way this person complain without using harsh words, I don't think that it's illegal.

[shk]

Any of u got AIMST university (Medicine or Dentistry)?