The Quality of PILN / PIDN result 2011.

[MrHoww]

Here's a debate on your feeling towards the QUALITY of PILN/PIDN result 2011 funded by Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam or Public Service Department.
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For me, the QUALITY shrunk when compared to 2010's result. There are dozens of 10A+ students who can't obtain any scholarship under this program. While MOST of these students are non-aborigines, predominantly Chinese and Indians. Inevitably, the majority of the places available go to Aborigines or Bumiputera due to the quota fixed years ago, but the excellent students deserved this scholarship from government. Coincidently, there are many students out there failed to obtain any other educational fund from private sectors. Hence, the government should prioritize this group of students because uneducated talented students are just as bad as the brain drain issue.

The QUALITY of the result this year provokes the angers of parents and students, upsetting them for achieving nothing despite the excellent result as the major criterion for this scholarship. The department should consider clearly and impartially for the grants, and not just selecting randomly as a list randomizer. The Deputy Minister of Education, Dr. Wee Ka Siong stated the result this year is too provocative for parents, making his stands hesitating yet doubtful. He stressed that if this issue revolutionizes into a trend for the following years, the youth will be no longer supportive and lose their confidence towards the current constituency and government. :nod

So, where is your firm stand? :)

*Error: The second option for the poll should be 'Satisfying. Yet a little doubtful if there are other more ideal approaches to make ends meet.'*

Xon: I have edited your poll options. @<hidden> 19/5/2011

[littlewheatgrass]

i believe your grudges has been heard and action has been taken to address the imbalance.

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/205027?tid=1

[MrHoww]

i believe your grudges has been heard and action has been taken to address the imbalance.

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/205027?tid=1

Will this issue finally resolved? Let's see if this is a proper approach to address the imbalance or just another show. :))

[littlewheatgrass]

Will this issue finally resolved? Let's see if this is a proper approach to address the imbalance or just another show. :))

If it is another show, then you hv to blame yr parent for voting BN for so many years.

[frostbyte13]

i believe your grudges has been heard and action has been taken to address the imbalance.

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/205027?tid=1

Can someone give me a rough translation ? Banana ... :(

[bubu24]

Can someone give me a rough translation ? Banana ... :(

banana no.2 here!

[littlewheatgrass]

banana no.2 here!

Minister Wee Ka Siong is looking into this matter. For those who are offered matric or diploma, PUT ON HOLD yr acceptance of JPA offer

Let see MCA walk the talk, and trying to step on the Little Napoleon in JPA

[frostbyte13]

Minister Wee Ka Siong is looking into this matter. For those who are offered matric or diploma, PUT ON HOLD yr acceptance of JPA offer

Let see MCA walk the talk, and trying to step on the Little Napoleon in JPA

Does it say anything about those who applied for overseas but only get local ? Or didn't get the course that they want ?

[MrHoww]

Does it say anything about those who applied for overseas but only get local ? Or didn't get the course that they want ?

Yes. It is included in the 10 most bizarre arrangements list.

[frostbyte13]

Yes. It is included in the 10 most bizarre arrangements list.

Well, whatever YB says, let's hope he honors his promises to the marginalized ones, being us and the rest of JPA scholars getting ridiculous offers.

[rong_rulez]

i wonder would it really work?????
i doubt mca can see through all the scholars as there must be hundreds of them....
one more things,would even government listen to mca?????
huhuhuhu..........:mad

[MrHoww]

i wonder would it really work?????
i doubt mca can see through all the scholars as there must be hundreds of them....
one more things,would even government listen to mca?????
huhuhuhu..........:mad

MCA is only responsible to consider the appeals by the applicants who handed in the form. However, the piles of forms are quite difficult to be completely processed, but at least they will try their best. This year, JPA makes everything difficult for non-bumiputera as many of them are forced to appeal, this might be a motive for JPA to create mayhems for non-bumiputera. :mad

S'il vous plait nous aider, premier ministre!! :paint

[rong_rulez]

MCA is only responsible to consider the appeals by the applicants who handed in the form. However, the piles of forms are quite difficult to be completely processed, but at least they will try their best. This year, JPA makes everything difficult for non-bumiputera as many of them are forced to appeal, this might be a motive for JPA to create mayhems for non-bumiputera. :mad

S'il vous plait nous aider, premier ministre!! :paint
i have to agree with u,MrHoww..
but i do not think there will be anymore overseas scholarship to be offered since it cost a lot.......most probably they will offer private u only.........i think there will be at hundreds of non-bumi make appeals.....and i think only a few will succeed......but still hope for the best........:wtf

[MrHoww]

i have to agree with u,MrHoww..
but i do not think there will be anymore overseas scholarship to be offered since it cost a lot.......most probably they will offer private u only.........i think there will be at hundreds of non-bumi make appeals.....and i think only a few will succeed......but still hope for the best........:wtf

If you're an atheist, at least you should believe in God at this critical moment, it strengthens your faith and prevent you from collapsing, losing this match with the devils. :)

Actually we do not have a real home, no matter where we are, we are classified as second-level citizens. We might find God treats us unfairly, but as time goes by, everything comes with a reason. Be strong. :nod

[rong_rulez]

If you're an atheist, at least you should believe in God at this critical moment, it strengthens your faith and prevent you from collapsing, losing this match with the devils. :)

Actually we do not have a real home, no matter where we are, we are classified as second-level citizens. We might find God treats us unfairly, but as time goes by, everything comes with a reason. Be strong. :nod
actually i am a buddhist...........but tis year is too critical.even the newspaper are reporting on this.this show that the cabinet has less efficiency compared to last year.......i got suprised when a 3a+ student get piln,but then i ask are u bumi,he say yes.no wonderlah.........i bet most of us want to add bin in our name.but i still like to be a chinese.....chinese is the best for me...........stay strong............:nod

[idunnoy]

FYI, every year wee ka siong will say it is the worst ever and he will look into the matter... My bro got 13 A1 2 years ago but he dint get jpa scholarship too. The truth is, this kind of things happen every year and we can't really do much.. it all depends on ur luck and karma...

[MrHoww]

Kindly participate in the poll to let us know what do the public thinks about the result. Your identity will be secured as anonymous. Please do not hesitate to join this community. Thanks :))

[Xon]

Unacceptable for me to note that Local Matrikulasi is an option as JPA Open Scholarship.

Firmly thinks that color-based policy should be abolished from the entire education system and public service sector in our country.

[ayjiahui]

Unacceptable for me to note that Local Matrikulasi is an option as JPA Open Scholarship.

Firmly thinks that color-based policy should be abolished from the entire education system and public service sector in our country.

I kinda disagree. Color-based policies (affirmative action) policies should not be entirely abolished because they really do help the bumis. The implementation of it for personal benefit is just really skewed. Yes - but whatever it is our education system clearly needs a revamp.

[littlewheatgrass]

Latest news update fr Wee Ka Siong

a) Accept the offer first but don't pay fee

http://www.nanyang.com/NewsCenter/articleDetail.asp?type=N&id=247693&sid=7&cid=10

[Cerav]

i don't understand the situation clearly. So please tell me. Did the straight A students didnt get a scholarship or they only got local?

[MrHoww]

i don't understand the situation clearly. So please tell me. Did the straight A students didnt get a scholarship or they only got local?

Not just straight A, even straight A+ students obtained Matriculation scholarship from JPA, while some of them get Diploma scholarship and some can't get anything. These are the 403 straight A+ students!! The 400 places provided to cater the merit-based section of this scholarship is completely gone insane, the 400 places are enough for 300++ students who obtained straight A+ but at the end they end up with such disappointment. While those who obtained 4A+ or 5A+ are able to get scholarships to France, Germany, UK, Australia etc.. Where is the problem? The responsibility can't be blamed.

Another issue is that the quota for bumiputera this year is exaggerating compared to past years, 70% to 80% of the 1500 scholars are bumiputera. The colour-blind policy introduced by our Prime Minister is totally neglected during the selection process.

Unacceptable for me to note that Local Matrikulasi is an option as JPA Open Scholarship.

Firmly thinks that color-based policy should be abolished from the entire education system and public service sector in our country.

I kinda disagree. Color-based policies (affirmative action) policies should not be entirely abolished because they really do help the bumis. The implementation of it for personal benefit is just really skewed. Yes - but whatever it is our education system clearly needs a revamp.

FYI, the bumiputera protection and priority agreement was first signed with the condition lasted for 15 years. Later on, when the date was going to expire, they extended it to 30 years. Subsequently, a PERMANENT period of this agreement is implemented.

I listened to the news this morning that our Prime Minister stated that the subsidy of petrol prices is similar to addiction to nicotine or tobacco. Once the citizens get addicted, they can barely get rid of it. Why don't they compared it to the Bumiputera protection and priority agreement?? It is way too addictive, it's quite late to retreat this offer. Government can't continuously helping a group because it would result in negativity as the group gradually becoming passive in their life. Before you succeed, you must encounter hardships. Continuity of overwhelming assistance will obstruct the path to success.

[Garfield93]

Not just straight A, even straight A+ students obtained Matriculation scholarship from JPA, while some of them get Diploma scholarship and some can't get anything. These are the 403 straight A+ students!! The 400 places provided to cater the merit-based section of this scholarship is completely gone insane, the 400 places are enough for 300++ students who obtained straight A+ but at the end they end up with such disappointment. While those who obtained 4A+ or 5A+ are able to get scholarships to France, Germany, UK, Australia etc.. Where is the problem? The responsibility can't be blamed.

Another issue is that the quota for bumiputera this year is exaggerating compared to past years, 70% to 80% of the 1500 scholars are bumiputera. The colour-blind policy introduced by our Prime Minister is totally neglected during the selection process.





FYI, the bumiputera protection and priority agreement was first signed with the condition lasted for 15 years. Later on, when the date was going to expire, they extended it to 30 years. Subsequently, a PERMANENT period of this agreement is implemented.

I listened to the news this morning that our Prime Minister stated that the subsidy of petrol prices is similar to addiction to nicotine or tobacco. Once the citizens get addicted, they can barely get rid of it. Why don't they compared it to the Bumiputera protection and priority agreement?? It is way too addictive, it's quite late to retreat this offer. Government can't continuously helping a group because it would result in negativity as the group gradually becoming passive in their life. Before you succeed, you must encounter hardships. Continuity of overwhelming assistance will obstruct the path to success.

wish u best for your appeal.. btw, when would you be able to know your appeal outcome? :oh

[Cerav]

But didn't all straight 8A+ students get a scholarship?

[Garfield93]

yes. but.. diploma and uhhh.. matrics probably wasnt what they had in mind.

[Hebkya]

I got 8A+ and 2A...no A-!!!!but I ended up getting matrix which I have been offered earlier before jpa result!!!I can't believe that I got the same thing.what's the point of applying jpa when you know that you will end up having matrix AGAIN???????I just want to study medicine ,that's all!!!!I even participate in voluntary work,active in school's ko-k!!!!!People getting A- or less A+ than me are getting a scholarship to study medicine!!!And those who didn't apply for medicine,end up getting medicine!!!Why??Why me??Why scholarships are given to those who didn't appy for that particular course????why???

[Cerav]

But even though its a scholarship isn't it? The prime minister specifically said that all 8A+ and above will get a scholarship but he didn't specify scholarship abroad.

Isn't scholarship money for student to study?

What is wrong about studying in Malaysia?(i'm curious thats why i asked)

Isn't it much better? We are ensuring that the brain drain issue is slowly being eradicated.

[Hebkya]

Well,studying in Malaysia is ok to me.the thing is if we can't secure a place in local uni,NO MORE JPA!!!!!!It's another round of GAMBLE!!!!

[Cerav]

I got 8A+ and 2A...no A-!!!!but I ended up getting matrix which I have been offered earlier before jpa result!!!I can't believe that I got the same thing.what's the point of applying jpa when you know that you will end up having matrix AGAIN???????I just want to study medicine ,that's all!!!!I even participate in voluntary work,active in school's ko-k!!!!!People getting A- or less A+ than me are getting a scholarship to study medicine!!!And those who didn't apply for medicine,end up getting medicine!!!Why??Why me??Why scholarships are given to those who didn't appy for that particular course????why???

Because the quota has been reached.

[Hebkya]

well,at least they give me a local uni but must be a medicine scholarship...my friends who did poorer than me and less active in ko-k get to study medicine in local private uni.me?matrix only...work damn hard for it!if give me local private uni,I also very happy...but...haiz.....really disappointed!!

[Cerav]

Well,studying in Malaysia is ok to me.the thing is if we can't secure a place in local uni,NO MORE JPA!!!!!!It's another round of GAMBLE!!!!

But isn't that the same thing for every for scholar for any scholarship?

or did you just hope to study in SPM only and hope for someone or thing to sponsor you till you graduate from university?

Everyone tries to make the best of what they have~

Maybe we shouldn't compare because your comparison might be one sided, but if you know yourself and you could achieve great heights just like when you did for SPM why worry?

[Aries]

Question of colour-blind policy aside, guess we should just be thankful for whatever that has been offered. Frankly speaking, it is not the end of the world even without a scholarship after SPM. Many of my friends have performed really well in STPM/Pre-U and have been successful upon graduation. Getting a scholarship does not equate to success, nor does it really guarantee you a bright future. While many would be singing praises about how hard they have been striving and how good their grades are, do bear in mind that with hundreds of thousands of students out there, there are always people who are way better than us. Sometimes, we might have tried our best, but our best might not be good enough. Lastly, I personally believe that god has a plan for everyone. Probably the path/choice we are given is the best for us after all.

[AlternateF4]

To me, the government is just coming into bankruptcy. Besides that, they have no respect whatsoever to meritocracy and believe in digging deeper graves for themselves. "nuff said.

To the people who didn't get a good offer for JPA, don't worry. Just hold on tight. Remember what happened to you today, and hopefully fight your way out of this system. I believe many of you guys are deserving students, so just work harder, without the government's help.

[Cerav]

To me, the government is just coming into bankruptcy. Besides that, they have no respect whatsoever to meritocracy and believe in digging deeper graves for themselves. "nuff said.

To the people who didn't get a good offer for JPA, don't worry. Just hold on tight. Remember what happened to you today, and hopefully fight your way out of this system. I believe many of you guys are deserving students, so just work harder, without the government's help.

Actually they followed meritocracy but they can't follow the applicants.
Its just like any other university, as matter of fact no matter how superb your result is but in a course of only a 100 places there are bound to be more than 100 people way better than you and you're on the 101st ranking you still can't get into to the university because there is no place to put you. But for JPA's part they are still willing to pay for people's education regardless of anything, the catch is some may get better offers because they have a place but some maybe be unlucky. The thing is scholarship is and has been given, you don't complain because something i not your favorite color, a brilliant person who turn tides and make anything out of what they have or given~

[AlternateF4]

Actually they followed meritocracy but they can't follow the applicants.
Its just like any other university, as matter of fact no matter how superb your result is but in a course of only a 100 places there are bound to be more than 100 people way better than you and you're on the 101st ranking you still can't get into to the university because there is no place to put you. But for JPA's part they are still willing to pay for people's education regardless of anything, the catch is some may get better offers because they have a place but some maybe be unlucky. The thing is scholarship is and has been given, you don't complain because something i not your favorite color, a brilliant person who turn tides and make anything out of what they have or given~
Let's make this clear once and for all. THE BEST STUDENTS DIDN'T GET SELECTED. What do you mean by saying 100 places with the best students and all, IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED FOR JPA. Worse, they gave fake hopes for all the 8A+ and above students.

But even though its a scholarship isn't it? The prime minister specifically said that all 8A+ and above will get a scholarship but he didn't specify scholarship abroad.

Isn't scholarship money for student to study?

What is wrong about studying in Malaysia?(i'm curious thats why i asked)

Isn't it much better? We are ensuring that the brain drain issue is slowly being eradicated.

Oh and about this? You trying to diss us or what? You are saying that a 10A+ student, deserve getting UPU or matriculation for all his/her hardwork? Mind you, I've met many many deserving people from many places, thinking that their work will be paid off eventually by a scholarship by the government TO DO WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO, end up getting some shit.

[Cerav]

Let's make this clear once and for all. THE BEST STUDENTS DIDN'T GET SELECTED. What do you mean by saying 100 places with the best students and all, IT'S NOT IMPLEMENTED FOR JPA. Worse, they gave fake hopes for all the 8A+ and above students.



Oh and about this? You trying to diss us or what? You are saying that a 10A+ student, deserve getting UPU or matriculation for all his/her hardwork? Mind you, I've met many many deserving people from many places, thinking that their work will be paid off eventually by a scholarship by the government TO DO WHAT THEY INTEND TO DO, end up getting some shit.

Mind you, everyone did get a scholarship. The thing i'm trying to say subliminally thats life is not fair everywhere you go its the same, be it politics or even the corporate world. The thing i'm emphasizing is that make the best of what you get.

I didn't say everyone deserves it but its just not your luck, and mind you there are quota out there in scholarship thats is why i was saying the 100 places analogy the thing some place are more filled than the others because there is no demand for it.

And another thing is if that student is surely the best and didn't get anything why isn't he at least offered a Kijang Emas?

Getting a scholarship is not a piece of sh*t - Government is willing to pay for your studies and its MONEY~ Money is not something to be messed around and called sh*t. If money is sh*t to you why don't you reject JPA and go private? Or a better solution make lemonade if you got lemons.

[AlternateF4]

Mind you, everyone did get a scholarship. The thing i'm trying to say subliminally thats life is not fair everywhere you go its the same, be it politics or even the corporate world. The thing i'm emphasizing is that make the best of what you get.

I didn't say everyone deserves it but its just not your luck, and mind you there are quota out there in scholarship thats is why i was saying the 100 places analogy the thing some place are more filled than the others because there is no demand for it.

And another thing is if that student is surely the best and didn't get anything why isn't he at least offered a Kijang Emas?

Getting a scholarship is not a piece of sh*t - Government is willing to pay for your studies and its MONEY~ Money is not something to be messed around and called sh*t. If money is sh*t to you why don't you reject JPA and go private? Or a better solution make lemonade if you got lemons.

Have you read the news or the news can't reach your house in a cave?
BTW, i bet your english teacher or whoever that taught you english (presumably self-taught) didn't teach you what the word meritocracy means.
But i'm a kind and forgiving person, I shall clarify.
MERITOCRACY: People are chosen based on their ability and capability, NOT LUCK.

Bank Negara chose who they think is best to take the kijang scholarship, fyi, i'm damn sure of that. Of course, in this case, best in a holistic way, not only results.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GOV GIVING MONEY?! We pay taxes man. Some part of the money from OUR taxes should be used for the education for our children. (I'm not a parent, i'm just saying this in a parent's context)
And you know what? People worked so hard for an APPLE and truly DESERVES an apple, you give the apple to SOMEONE ELSE who is LESS DESERVING, and give him a LEMON instead. YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST JUICE IN YOUR BRAINS OR NOT?

Speaking of juice in your brain. The only perceptions I get from you so far:
1. You are under JPA scholarship. or,
2. You are bumitera. or,
3. Parents are rich, don't give a damn about scholarships. To hell with those students who don't have money to study.
4. As I said, a hole at the back of your head, cerebrospinal fluid all leaked out of your brain.
*peace.

[frostbyte13]

But even though its a scholarship isn't it? The prime minister specifically said that all 8A+ and above will get a scholarship but he didn't specify scholarship abroad.

Isn't scholarship money for student to study?

What is wrong about studying in Malaysia?(i'm curious thats why i asked)

Isn't it much better? We are ensuring that the brain drain issue is slowly being eradicated.

How is getting a Matriculation offer or a Diploma offer as a scholarship :mad

[rong_rulez]

Have you read the news or the news can't reach your house in a cave?
BTW, i bet your english teacher or whoever that taught you english (presumably self-taught) didn't teach you what the word meritocracy means.
But i'm a kind and forgiving person, I shall clarify.
MERITOCRACY: People are chosen based on their ability and capability, NOT LUCK.

Bank Negara chose who they think is best to take the kijang scholarship, fyi, i'm damn sure of that. Of course, in this case, best in a holistic way, not only results.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GOV GIVING MONEY?! We pay taxes man. Some part of the money from OUR taxes should be used for the education for our children. (I'm not a parent, i'm just saying this in a parent's context)
And you know what? People worked so hard for an APPLE and truly DESERVES an apple, you give the apple to SOMEONE ELSE who is LESS DESERVING, and give him a LEMON instead. YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST JUICE IN YOUR BRAINS OR NOT?

Speaking of juice in your brain. The only perceptions I get from you so far:
1. You are under JPA scholarship. or,
2. You are bumitera. or,
3. Parents are rich, don't give a damn about scholarships. To hell with those students who don't have money to study.
4. As I said, a hole at the back of your head, cerebrospinal fluid all leaked out of your brain.
*peace.

chill down,man........
i understand ur feeling........
we are the same here,the victims.........
hopefully Cerav would not take ur words seriously.......
hope that mca will help us to get what we hoped/at least not diploma or matrix,i will be fine......finger crossed

[Cerav]

Have you read the news or the news can't reach your house in a cave?
BTW, i bet your english teacher or whoever that taught you english (presumably self-taught) didn't teach you what the word meritocracy means.
But i'm a kind and forgiving person, I shall clarify.
MERITOCRACY: People are chosen based on their ability and capability, NOT LUCK.

Bank Negara chose who they think is best to take the kijang scholarship, fyi, i'm damn sure of that. Of course, in this case, best in a holistic way, not only results.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GOV GIVING MONEY?! We pay taxes man. Some part of the money from OUR taxes should be used for the education for our children. (I'm not a parent, i'm just saying this in a parent's context)
And you know what? People worked so hard for an APPLE and truly DESERVES an apple, you give the apple to SOMEONE ELSE who is LESS DESERVING, and give him a LEMON instead. YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST JUICE IN YOUR BRAINS OR NOT?

Speaking of juice in your brain. The only perceptions I get from you so far:
1. You are under JPA scholarship. or,
2. You are bumitera. or,
3. Parents are rich, don't give a damn about scholarships. To hell with those students who don't have money to study.
4. As I said, a hole at the back of your head, cerebrospinal fluid all leaked out of your brain.
*peace.

1.Meritocracy is for the top 300.

2.8A+ above all got a scholarship to study until university (they don't specify whether its going to be local or overseas).

3.How is is Bank Negara not giving kijang emas to the top scholars if they don't even go interviews or get screened (Maybe during my year but there is another kijang scholarship but not the emas)

4.Yup, its from the taxes ~ i can go on and on about taxes but bear in mind its about money. Money is being channeled to you think about that not the government (the government is just a channel).

5.One things is for sure no one truly deserves anything if even they think they work hard for it ~ the thing is what is so bad about the lemon?

6.Yes, i'm a JPA scholar and yes i'm a bumiputera thats how i knew about the quota system by JPA and how they process the scholarship.

7.Don't you dare degrade the local institution, its disgusting. Getting a diploma doesn't make you a second grade, a loser etc. I have friends with diplomas and matrix and upu and they are brilliant and inspiring people but the thing is they only lack the chance and luck as i did.

[frostbyte13]

chill down,man........
i understand ur feeling........
we are the same here,the victims.........
hopefully Cerav would not take ur words seriously.......
hope that mca will help us to get what we hoped/at least not diploma or matrix,i will be fine......finger crossed

Cerav should have thought of that before replying with a stupid and redundant answer. He is like belittling the suffering of the people who truly deserve a proper offer.

[Nicholas92]

Life's not fair. Every year we go through the motions, complaining how JPA is totally out of whack and unfair in distributing their scholarships. And of course it's especially bad when you yourself don't get that scholarship you're holding out for (note I'm not talking about specific people, I mean that personally lots of people feel like that) but what can I say; live with it. Or change the system. Every year people make a big hoo-haa and the ones lucky enough to be picked out by the papers may get a nice surprise in exchange for some positive publicity for the politicians. The others, not so much.

That said, getting angry about things here will do nothing for anyone. It's an annual phenomenon, during the scholarship season...but let it be said once and for all that playing the race card here is a NO-GO. Just because someone disagrees with you and your disappointment, is no reason to assume they're a bumi and therefore has no problems. Just because you know of Malays who managed to get JPA, doesn't mean that they didn't get it based on merit. And honestly speaking I wouldn't want to give scholarships to students who would blow up and start blaming others for not getting it either.

Before anyone starts accusing me of siding with the government or something, let me make it perfectly clear that I think the quota system is way too abused, despite the fact that I recognise some need for affirmative action. I believe the scholarship system needs reform. Hell, I believe the whole damn education system (not to mention our economic policies) needs reform. It's sad that people have to believe that getting straight A+s will guarantee them scholarships, because they see no avenue otherwise. Well-educated, excellent students are more than just a string of A's. If a straight A student got passed over for someone who got a B, let's not assume some foul play was at work. While I'm not saying that this is what JPA is doing right now, I believe that in some cases straight A students aren't taken on simply because that's all they are - straight As.

The system that makes us work purely for As, guarantees rewards for it and then disappoints...is a broken system. The priorities are all wrong. Will going to the media help? Barely. I think lots of people are desensitised to this issue, so often has it played out. No, we just have to change the system. And to me (now this is a personal belief) if all you do is complain about the system and then leave the country, never to return, you didn't deserve a scholarship from the Malaysian government (and by extension, the Malaysian taxpayers) in the first place.

[idunnoy]

Have you read the news or the news can't reach your house in a cave?
BTW, i bet your english teacher or whoever that taught you english (presumably self-taught) didn't teach you what the word meritocracy means.
But i'm a kind and forgiving person, I shall clarify.
MERITOCRACY: People are chosen based on their ability and capability, NOT LUCK.

Bank Negara chose who they think is best to take the kijang scholarship, fyi, i'm damn sure of that. Of course, in this case, best in a holistic way, not only results.

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE GOV GIVING MONEY?! We pay taxes man. Some part of the money from OUR taxes should be used for the education for our children. (I'm not a parent, i'm just saying this in a parent's context)
And you know what? People worked so hard for an APPLE and truly DESERVES an apple, you give the apple to SOMEONE ELSE who is LESS DESERVING, and give him a LEMON instead. YOU GOT THE SLIGHTEST JUICE IN YOUR BRAINS OR NOT?

Speaking of juice in your brain. The only perceptions I get from you so far:
1. You are under JPA scholarship. or,
2. You are bumitera. or,
3. Parents are rich, don't give a damn about scholarships. To hell with those students who don't have money to study.
4. As I said, a hole at the back of your head, cerebrospinal fluid all leaked out of your brain.
*peace.

There are so many ppl out there and how can u know who are deserving and who are less deserving? Dont compare with bumiputeras because u are living in malaysia and we all know colour blind policy will never be practised. Til now, people who get medic which i knew are excellent in both academic and koko. Different courses will also have different competitiveness

[Cerav]

Cerav should have thought of that before replying with a stupid and redundant answer. He is like belittling the suffering of the people who truly deserve a proper offer.

Maybe i got on some nerves, the thing i was trying to point out is the ugly side of the coin and make any opportunity good or bad to be more beneficial.

[frostbyte13]

Mind you, everyone did get a scholarship. The thing i'm trying to say subliminally thats life is not fair everywhere you go its the same, be it politics or even the corporate world. The thing i'm emphasizing is that make the best of what you get.

I didn't say everyone deserves it but its just not your luck, and mind you there are quota out there in scholarship thats is why i was saying the 100 places analogy the thing some place are more filled than the others because there is no demand for it.

And another thing is if that student is surely the best and didn't get anything why isn't he at least offered a Kijang Emas?

Getting a scholarship is not a piece of sh*t - Government is willing to pay for your studies and its MONEY~ Money is not something to be messed around and called sh*t. If money is sh*t to you why don't you reject JPA and go private? Or a better solution make lemonade if you got lemons.

Stop thinking our government scholarships this year are like gold ingots, they are half the value it should be for those who really really deserved it, meaning low income, extremely good koko, academically superior, representative of the country. Who can't fund themselves in Matriculation ? Government is just tossing out the leftover balances of UPU and Matriculation to many of us, seemingly to fulfill the promise of all 8A+ getting scholarships. BTW, Kijang Emas is only for the VERY VERY FEW TOP SPM SCORERS OF THE COUNTRY + ALL THE CRITERIA I JUST MENTIONED. means, it's close to impossible to get one, unless you are already acknowledged as THE BEST. then, isn't it the government's social obligation to help those second bests and beyond who truly need it ? Don't give the lemonade and lemons analogy, it's getting friggin annoying. Government is throwing durians at these people, asking them to make orange juice.

[Cerav]

Stop thinking our government scholarships this year are like gold ingots, they are half the value it should be for those who really really deserved it, meaning low income, extremely good koko, academically superior, representative of the country. Who can't fund themselves in Matriculation ? Government is just tossing out the leftover balances of UPU and Matriculation to many of us, seemingly to fulfill the promise of all 8A+ getting scholarships. BTW, Kijang Emas is only for the VERY VERY FEW TOP SPM SCORERS OF THE COUNTRY + ALL THE CRITERIA I JUST MENTIONED. means, it's close to impossible to get one, unless you are already acknowledged as THE BEST. then, isn't it the government's social obligation to help those second bests and beyond who truly need it ? Don't give the lemonade and lemons analogy, it's getting friggin annoying. Government is throwing durians at these people, asking them to make orange juice.

The reason i'm giving the lemonade story is that it really works especially with all the Malaysian students overseas that i have met and talked with. I'm not saying JPA scholarship is gold~ i'm saying money is precious regardless of where it comes from, don't waste money is where i'm coming with.

[frostbyte13]

Maybe i got on some nerves, the thing i was trying to point out is the ugly side of the coin and make any opportunity good or bad to be more beneficial.

Quote an example of people who have done that, in our country alone !

[AlternateF4]

Life's not fair. Every year we go through the motions, complaining how JPA is totally out of whack and unfair in distributing their scholarships. And of course it's especially bad when you yourself don't get that scholarship you're holding out for (note I'm not talking about specific people, I mean that personally lots of people feel like that) but what can I say; live with it. Or change the system. Every year people make a big hoo-haa and the ones lucky enough to be picked out by the papers may get a nice surprise in exchange for some positive publicity for the politicians. The others, not so much.

That said, getting angry about things here will do nothing for anyone. It's an annual phenomenon, during the scholarship season...but let it be said once and for all that playing the race card here is a NO-GO. Just because someone disagrees with you and your disappointment, is no reason to assume they're a bumi and therefore has no problems. Just because you know of Malays who managed to get JPA, doesn't mean that they didn't get it based on merit. And honestly speaking I wouldn't want to give scholarships to students who would blow up and start blaming others for not getting it either.

Before anyone starts accusing me of siding with the government or something, let me make it perfectly clear that I think the quota system is way too abused, despite the fact that I recognise some need for affirmative action. I believe the scholarship system needs reform. Hell, I believe the whole damn education system (not to mention our economic policies) needs reform. It's sad that people have to believe that getting straight A+s will guarantee them scholarships, because they see no avenue otherwise. Well-educated, excellent students are more than just a string of A's. If a straight A student got passed over for someone who got a B, let's not assume some foul play was at work. While I'm not saying that this is what JPA is doing right now, I believe that in some cases straight A students aren't taken on simply because that's all they are - straight As.

The system that makes us work purely for As, guarantees rewards for it and then disappoints...is a broken system. The priorities are all wrong. Will going to the media help? Barely. I think lots of people are desensitised to this issue, so often has it played out. No, we just have to change the system. And to me (now this is a personal belief) if all you do is complain about the system and then leave the country, never to return, you didn't deserve a scholarship from the Malaysian government (and by extension, the Malaysian taxpayers) in the first place.

If you were saying that I've been getting angry, I'm not, fyi. I'm a very mild tempered person, you just can't see my facial expression right now. And yes, you made a very important point of why we are debating in the first place. We are fighting for a better system and to take the correct sides. But you are wrong when you say that we just blow up and start blaming people. We are not blaming when it's obviously their(whoever who is responsible in assigning the scholarships to the right students) fault. And by addressing the problem on the internet, a media, we can create awareness to the people. The people will then know which government to vote out during the next election. Besides that, the politicians, if they still want their seats in the parliament, will do something to help rectify the situation, fight for the people's rights.

oh and btw, I don't really care about getting the JPA scholarship, in fact i didn't appeal, cry or whatever for not getting it.

[frostbyte13]

Ahh forget it la. Very hard to talk to people who still think the innocent are being naive and the government is some-how being fair in all of this. For all I care, go ahead and say what you want. We, the victimized part of society, have better things to talk about then to debate about the questionable JPA's performance in evaluating this year.

[AlternateF4]

There are so many ppl out there and how can u know who are deserving and who are less deserving? Dont compare with bumiputeras because u are living in malaysia and we all know colour blind policy will never be practised. Til now, people who get medic which i knew are excellent in both academic and koko. Different courses will also have different competitiveness

There are excellent students who are chosen to get the JPA scholarship, nevertheless. But some were not as deserving as those that weren't chosen. Just read the news, will you? Especially the chinese newspaper. Those are the cases if you want to know.

[Nicholas92]

Stop thinking our government scholarships this year are like gold ingots, they are half the value it should be for those who really really deserved it, meaning low income, extremely good koko, academically superior, representative of the country. Who can't fund themselves in Matriculation ? Government is just tossing out the leftover balances of UPU and Matriculation to many of us, seemingly to fulfill the promise of all 8A+ getting scholarships. BTW, Kijang Emas is only for the VERY VERY FEW TOP SPM SCORERS OF THE COUNTRY + ALL THE CRITERIA I JUST MENTIONED. means, it's close to impossible to get one, unless you are already acknowledged as THE BEST. then, isn't it the government's social obligation to help those second bests and beyond who truly need it ? Don't give the lemonade and lemons analogy, it's getting friggin annoying. Government is throwing durians at these people, asking them to make orange juice.

I disagree.

Government scholarships are not a given right. Paying tax does not entitle people to scholarships for their kids - what it does entitle them to is the scholarships being fairly distributed (which isn't being done, that I agree to). But even if Matric for instance isn't what you really want, it is STILL an offer to finance your studies - whether or not it's a more fancy expensive course isn't the point. So grumbling about not getting what you wanted isn't the best thing to do, especially when it's better than nothing at all.

Remember, yes, that some people definitely deserve better. But even in purely meritocratic systems, there are losers. There is no hard-and-fast cut-off point, for instance, for Oxbridge potentials. It's not a case of admitting everyone who meets a certain standard. The standard is the prerequisite. The rest is a game of numbers. If you wanna talk about how many people deserve to get into Oxbridge each year, the answer is: many. Probably hundreds of thousands out of billions in the world. But spaces are limited. So sad as the reality is, some people just won't make it - they may be just a hair's distance behind but no offer is no offer.

Making the best of it is the best thing for now. What do people gain from wallowing in self-pity and rage over their situation? Channel the energy into effecting change, perhaps, and learning in the meanwhile to live with their situation - you might as well make the best of it and try to be at peace with things for all it's worth, because even in your righteous anger, what's so nice about being in misery? Again, I'm not discounting the pain of a lot of people, some of whom need (as in, financially) scholarships a lot more. But it's not the end of the world. No.

[AlternateF4]

Maybe i got on some nerves, the thing i was trying to point out is the ugly side of the coin and make any opportunity good or bad to be more beneficial.

Giving people what they don't deserve isn't quite beneficial just so you know. It's like, if you are a boy, i give you a dress; and if you are a girl, i give you some briefs. Don't tell me that you can give them away, because we can't exchange scholarships.

[Cerav]

Quote an example of people who have done that, in our country alone !

One very good example may not be related to scholarship but the corporate world.

Take Tony Fernandes and his Airasia company, its not a national airline and a was shunned by airports during its early business days but due to terrific effort, marketing and advertising it soared.

By shunned i mean they wouldn't entertain him, you can read all about it in Forbes Asia. It talks about GLC a lot and the Malaysian economic policy.

[Nicholas92]

If you were saying that I've been getting angry, I'm not, fyi. I'm a very mild tempered person, you just can't see my facial expression right now. And yes, you made a very important point of why we are debating in the first place. We are fighting for a better system and to take the correct sides. But you are wrong when you say that we just blow up and start blaming people. We are not blaming when it's obviously their(whoever who is responsible in assigning the scholarships to the right students) fault. And by addressing the problem on the internet, a media, we can create awareness to the people. The people will then know which government to vote out during the next election. Besides that, the politicians, if they still want their seats in the parliament, will do something to help rectify the situation, fight for the people's rights.

oh and btw, I don't really care about getting the JPA scholarship, in fact i didn't appeal, cry or whatever for not getting it.

If you thought I was referring to you...sorry? Because honestly I wasn't. I was being pre-emptive because year after year it's normal to see someone burst online and hurl accusations because they feel wronged. I didn't get the feel that you were blowing up or anything, merely passionate about the topic so I didn't have a problem. Just wanted to get it out there so people reading all of this will (hopefully) choose not to launch into an all-out attack against...most other people? I suppose.

Yeah anyway so no offence I hope? :)

[Cactus]

So what if life is unfair? Doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to make the system fairer for everybody.

And JPA scholarship is not a private company scholarship. The government is using tax payer's money, and as the citizens of this country we have the rights and responsibilities to know how the scholarships are distributed.

Surely people need to whine/be angry a little if they want to improve "the system" (e.g. education, selection criteria bla bla bla)

I'm not saying that just because less "nons" get the scholarship so the goverment is corrupt (which it probably is anyway), but all blatant racial prejudice exhibited in this thread can be reduced to a minimum level if the public were afforded more transparency and clarity in the selection process and criteria.

[idunnoy]

Stop thinking our government scholarships this year are like gold ingots, they are half the value it should be for those who really really deserved it, meaning low income, extremely good koko, academically superior, representative of the country. Who can't fund themselves in Matriculation ? Government is just tossing out the leftover balances of UPU and Matriculation to many of us, seemingly to fulfill the promise of all 8A+ getting scholarships. BTW, Kijang Emas is only for the VERY VERY FEW TOP SPM SCORERS OF THE COUNTRY + ALL THE CRITERIA I JUST MENTIONED. means, it's close to impossible to get one, unless you are already acknowledged as THE BEST. then, isn't it the government's social obligation to help those second bests and beyond who truly need it ? Don't give the lemonade and lemons analogy, it's getting friggin annoying. Government is throwing durians at these people, asking them to make orange juice.

Who can't fund themselves in matriculation? Do some research, there many poor ppl out there who can't afford education. From what you said, i don't see anybody who has EXTREMELY good koko or academically SUPERIOR and didn't get the scholarship. U think a 8A+ student is academically SUPERIOR? There are so many ppl out there putting thier parents salaries less than RM1000, if their parents income is really so low, do u really think they can afford Matriculation? Whether u get the country u want or the course u want, it's up to JPA. If u think u demand better quality education, why don't u pay urself? If u dont have money, then just accept the offer whether it's Matriculation or UPU. If u dont get the scholarship at all, then easy said, u simply don't qualify.

[Cerav]

Giving people what they don't deserve isn't quite beneficial just so you know. It's like, if you are a boy, i give you a dress; and if you are a girl, i give you some briefs. Don't tell me that you can give them away, because we can't exchange scholarships.

I didn't day you can't appeal. If you can appeal, by all means appeal.

The thing is that what happens if you can't appeal.

[Nicholas92]

@<hidden> Yeah as to that, I agree. All it would take is transparency, democracy...

But life's not fair, and by accepting it you get less hurt by the things that go wrong for you. It's not to say that you shouldn't try and better it, but that you shouldn't let it get to you too much if it doesn't work out.

[AlternateF4]

I disagree.

Government scholarships are not a given right. Paying tax does not entitle people to scholarships for their kids - what it does entitle them to is the scholarships being fairly distributed (which isn't being done, that I agree to). But even if Matric for instance isn't what you really want, it is STILL an offer to finance your studies - whether or not it's a more fancy expensive course isn't the point. So grumbling about not getting what you wanted isn't the best thing to do, especially when it's better than nothing at all.

Remember, yes, that some people definitely deserve better. But even in purely meritocratic systems, there are losers. There is no hard-and-fast cut-off point, for instance, for Oxbridge potentials. It's not a case of admitting everyone who meets a certain standard. The standard is the prerequisite. The rest is a game of numbers. If you wanna talk about how many people deserve to get into Oxbridge each year, the answer is: many. Probably hundreds of thousands out of billions in the world. But spaces are limited. So sad as the reality is, some people just won't make it - they may be just a hair's distance behind but no offer is no offer.

Making the best of it is the best thing for now. What do people gain from wallowing in self-pity and rage over their situation? Channel the energy into effecting change, perhaps, and learning in the meanwhile to live with their situation - you might as well make the best of it and try to be at peace with things for all it's worth, because even in your righteous anger, what's so nice about being in misery? Again, I'm not discounting the pain of a lot of people, some of whom need (as in, financially) scholarships a lot more. But it's not the end of the world. No.

You are just partially agreeing, isn't that not much difference from "indifference"? What's wrong is wrong. We should be fighting for it. We have been suppressed, it's naturally normal for us to fight for it.

Stop telling me the lemonade story in another context. I'm not fighting for JPA anymore, but just to let you know, I hope that the younger generations can get it, fairly. What we teenagers can do for now? CREATE AWARENESS ON THE INTERNET OF COURSE.

[Cactus]

@<hidden> Yeah as to that, I agree. All it would take is transparency, democracy...

But life's not fair, and by accepting it you get less hurt by the things that go wrong for you. It's not to say that you shouldn't try and better it, but that you shouldn't let it get to you too much if it doesn't work out.

Life is randomly unfair. But now the government appears to be systematically unfair.

I admit that life is unfair in a sense. I recognise it, but not necessarily agree that it is a condition that can't be improved.

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edit: Nicholas -- ooh, I didn't realize that you were replying to me. Hence the tone of this post feels a bit out >.<

[AlternateF4]

I didn't day you can't appeal. If you can appeal, by all means appeal.

The thing is that what happens if you can't appeal.

We can appeal, but just look at the appeal process, and the chances of getting a successful appeal. Could we just accept what they give us? I rather give it back to them.

[Cerav]

We can appeal, but just look at the appeal process, and the chances of getting a successful appeal. Could we just accept what they give us? I rather give it back to them.

Give the scholarship back? Its up to you actually, and luck plays a very big part in life and in appeals too but i wish you all the best for the appeal. And if it doesn't go your way there's the lemonade story(it works ^_^!!)

[idunnoy]

There are excellent students who are chosen to get the JPA scholarship, nevertheless. But some were not as deserving as those that weren't chosen. Just read the news, will you? Especially the chinese newspaper. Those are the cases if you want to know.

Dont be silly, i read the news. The crying 10A+ girl applied for medic and as u all know, medic a very competitive course. Besides, how do u know she has extremely good koko and performed well in the interview?

U want to talk about creating awareness on the internet? Well, people created this awareness long time ago and it's u who are not aware of them.

[Nicholas92]

You are just partially agreeing, isn't that not much difference from "indifference"? What's wrong is wrong. We should be fighting for it. We have been suppressed, it's naturally normal for us to fight for it.

Stop telling me the lemonade story in another context. I'm not fighting for JPA anymore, but just to let you know, I hope that the younger generations can get it, fairly. What we teenagers can do for now? CREATE AWARENESS ON THE INTERNET OF COURSE.

I never said there was anything wrong with fighting for fairness, in fact I'm all FOR fighting for fairness and it's the people who are willing to act like that that I believe are deserving. What I meant is that I disagree with the fact that scholarships are a given right, but I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that they are being handled very wrongly right now.

And nothing wrong with internet awareness, of course. Oh and, I'm not throwing around the 'lemonade story' at you about your JPA experience, OK? But I mention it because the issue's been brought up.

Life is randomly unfair. But now the government appears to be systematically unfair.

I admit that life is unfair in a sense. I recognise it, but not necessarily agree that it is a condition that can't be improved.

I'm not saying it can't be improved, either. Change is simple, but never always easy. We can tell what's wrong so easily. Changing it is a different matter. Years of BN rule proves that. I'm saying that not letting a few failures along the way bog you down such that you can't continue to that eventual (maybe even inevitable) change that you're working for.

[AlternateF4]

Give the scholarship back? Its up to you actually, and luck plays a very big part in life and in appeals too but i wish you all the best for the appeal. And if it doesn't go your way there's the lemonade story(it works ^_^!!)

I didn't appeal. I didn't appeal because I am aware that many many many of my other friends who are even deserving than I am didn't get the scholarship.
I got 7A+, 2A, 1A-. My parents' income is just middle class, my mom's a government servant. I have several brothers and sisters. My co-cu? I have took part in an international competition and have been awarded co-cu awards by the school, including the "sportsman" title. AND YES, ALL THAT AND I FEEL MANY OF MY FRIENDS DESERVE IT MORE THAN I DO. That's how bad the system is. Just for you to understand my feelings better.

[Cactus]

I never said there was anything wrong with fighting for fairness, in fact I'm all FOR fighting for fairness and it's the people who are willing to act like that that I believe are deserving. What I meant is that I disagree with the fact that scholarships are a given right, but I wholeheartedly agree with the fact that they are being handled very wrongly right now.

And nothing wrong with internet awareness, of course. Oh and, I'm not throwing around the 'lemonade story' at you about your JPA experience, OK? But I mention it because the issue's been brought up.



I'm not saying it can't be improved, either. Change is simple, but never always easy. We can tell what's wrong so easily. Changing it is a different matter. Years of BN rule proves that. I'm saying that not letting a few failures along the way bog you down such that you can't continue to that eventual (maybe even inevitable) change that you're working for.

I think I can agree to that.:nod

(Just that I find it particularly annoying when people start saying "life's unfair. just accept it." Seems to imply some sort of inaction.)

[AlternateF4]

Dont be silly, i read the news. The crying 10A+ girl applied for medic and as u all know, medic a very competitive course. Besides, how do u know she has extremely good koko and performed well in the interview?

U want to talk about creating awareness on the internet? Well, people created this awareness long time ago and it's u who are not aware of them.

I do know people who have 10A+ and have VERY GOOD co-cu results who didn't get the scholarship.

[Cerav]

I didn't appeal. I didn't appeal because I am aware that many many many of my other friends who are even deserving than I am didn't get the scholarship.
I got 7A+, 2A, 1A-. My parents' income is just middle class, my mom's a government servant. I have several brothers and sisters. My co-cu? I have took part in an international competition and have been awarded co-cu awards by the school, including the "sportsman" title. AND YES, ALL THAT AND I FEEL MANY OF MY FRIENDS DESERVE IT MORE THAN I DO. That's how bad the system is. Just for you to understand my feelings better.

Don't beat yourself up too much, you are who you are~ The thing was opportunity came knocking at your door and its your choice to set life your life. Its very admirable of you to do like that.:amuse

[AlternateF4]

Dont be silly, i read the news. The crying 10A+ girl applied for medic and as u all know, medic a very competitive course. Besides, how do u know she has extremely good koko and performed well in the interview?

U want to talk about creating awareness on the internet? Well, people created this awareness long time ago and it's u who are not aware of them.

There isn't enough awareness for the people(meaning the majority of the nation) to take actions.

[Cerav]

I do know people who have 10A+ and have VERY GOOD co-cu results who didn't get the scholarship.

As in literally no scholarship or she didn't apply?

[Nicholas92]

I think I can agree to that.:nod

(Just that I find it particularly annoying when people start saying "life's unfair. just accept it." Seems to imply some sort of inaction.)

Ahhh I totally get that. Yeah, that would be 'complacency' rather than 'acceptance' haha.

I didn't appeal. I didn't appeal because I am aware that many many many of my other friends who are even deserving than I am didn't get the scholarship.
I got 7A+, 2A, 1A-. My parents' income is just middle class, my mom's a government servant. I have several brothers and sisters. My co-cu? I have took part in an international competition and have been awarded co-cu awards by the school, including the "sportsman" title. AND YES, ALL THAT AND I FEEL MANY OF MY FRIENDS DESERVE IT MORE THAN I DO. That's how bad the system is. Just for you to understand my feelings better.

That sucks man. I mean we've heard similar stories every year but it still sucks. People slip through the cracks of the system, and it's a shame.

That's why the system's gotta go. The scholarships are too focused on As, to focused on quotas, and not giving enough consideration to holistic education and transparency.

[AlternateF4]

As in literally no scholarship or she didn't apply?

Literally no scholarship. There's many other cases that people with 9A+ or 10A+ get the Matriculation as their scholarship. All that have been mentioned have good co-cu results.

[Cerav]

Literally no scholarship. There's many other cases that people with 9A+ or 10A+ get the Matriculation as their scholarship. All that have been mentioned have good co-cu results.

Than that person should at least voice out. Lets help her, did she appeal?

[AlternateF4]

Ahhh I totally get that. Yeah, that would be 'complacency' rather than 'acceptance' haha.



That sucks man. I mean we've heard similar stories every year but it still sucks. People slip through the cracks of the system, and it's a shame.

That's why the system's gotta go. The scholarships are too focused on As, to focused on quotas, and not giving enough consideration to holistic education and transparency.

That's why i truly believe that we, the youths should unite, and once and for all, terminate the old system. We might be young, brash and inexperienced, but when we come together, our forces cannot be denied. And I enjoy letting the people of malaysia know, that it is time to come together and throw out the old system out.

[Nicholas92]

Ironically enough, it's things like the scholarships which make this struggle more difficult - supposedly 'deserving' students take it, run away, and default. Money spent, no returns. Now THAT is sad.

That said though, I believe that a constant rate of increase in Internet penetration + more political gaffes by the government almost ensure they'll be toppled one day...the question is why. Better to make it sooner rather than later.

[Cactus]

That's why the system's gotta go. The scholarships are too focused on As, to focused on quotas, and not giving enough consideration to holistic education and transparency.

I think they should not try to appear "holistic" in the selection process.

Face it: there is (practically) no holistic education in our public education system.

It's disgusting to see students trying so hard to get As because our system demands it, and then denied a scholarship because they are not "holistic" enough. (And those 5, 6 A+s get the scholarship >.<)

Meritocracy suffers when u try to be holistic without giving some guidelines.

[AlternateF4]

Than that person should at least voice out. Lets help her, did she appeal?

She appealed. Her case quite sad, but hard to help also. BM didn't get A. BUT WHAT SHIZ. The BM/PM subject didn't get A is another issue to be mentioned about. Do you know that every SPM exam centre have a different bell-graph to determine the grades of a student? This, meaning that the people from rural areas need only to score a lower mark to get an A, whereas, the more competitive urban area students need to score an outrageously high mark to get an A. Not only that, this implementation of the bell graph is discreetly used by the gov, which means they can just do whatever they like to CONTROL THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP.

You might doubt that, but fyi, she is the top in her class(my school's a cluster school), always amongst the top scorers for her school BM examinations, get A+ for CHINESE and 9 other subjects, get B+ for BM...?

[Cerav]

Ironically enough, it's things like the scholarships which make this struggle more difficult - supposedly 'deserving' students take it, run away, and default. Money spent, no returns. Now THAT is sad.

That said though, I believe that a constant rate of increase in Internet penetration + more political gaffes by the government almost ensure they'll be toppled one day...the question is why. Better to make it sooner rather than later.

The other sad part is no matter how noble our justifications are if the realpolitic behind everything is not changed. We are just going to be like the wolf trying to blow a brick house in the three little pigs.

So how can we change the reapolitic?

[ayjiahui]

OK i know the hype has kind died down but i just had to post this!!

You know this whole deal with scholarships and JPA right, it really needs to be revamped. You know here's a thought you MIGHT want to consider. Unlike many other countries, our government is actually VERY generous. The fact that even under economical strains (that have come about due to.... ahem.. reasons that I won't bother elaborating) they are giving out scholarships to people who do not deserve them = people who take scholarships, go abroad and settle down permanently abroad, breaking the bond they had with the government in the first place. In fact, I think that the government is far too generous with scholarships.

Also, affirmative action policies are always necessary because it really really does help a country in the long run. HENCE, JPA should have come up with separate scholarships -- need-based and merit-based. Then all of you compete on different levels.... But I'm not the government but well...

So, seriously, suck it up. Admissions, the process of giving out scholarships are sometimes quite arbitrary. Sometimes, it is very difficult to pinpoint why a person got a scholarship or not. Grades alone don't always justify the need to receive a scholarship. Even if there was more transparency within the system, like what Nicholas92 mentioned, it eventually becomes a game of numbers.

And boohoo if you feel victimized by the system zzzzz

OK conclusion: guys so next time you know what to do when you turn 21 okay. ^^ and seriously, JPA isn't all that hyped up as it's made out to be. turn to other things!!! expand your boundaries! soul-search!!!!! besides, i'm sure if you're all capable people, opportunities will come knocking your door when the time strikes. take it from someone who's been rejected across the board. hehehe.

She appealed. Her case quite sad, but hard to help also. BM didn't get A. BUT WHAT SHIZ. The BM/PM subject didn't get A is another issue to be mentioned about. Do you know that every SPM exam centre have a different bell-graph to determine the grades of a student? This, meaning that the people from rural areas need only to score a lower mark to get an A, whereas, the more competitive urban area students need to score an outrageously high mark to get an A. Not only that, this implementation of the bell graph is discreetly used by the gov, which means they can just do whatever they like to CONTROL THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP.

You might doubt that, but fyi, she is the top in her class(my school's a cluster school), always amongst the top scorers for her school BM examinations, get A+ for CHINESE and 9 other subjects, get B+ for BM...?

aiya, in every country they have the bell control thingy. :P it's sad but true.

[AlternateF4]

I think they should not try to appear "holistic" in the selection process.

Face it: there is (practically) no holistic education in our public education system.

It's disgusting to see students trying so hard to get As because our system demands it, and then denied a scholarship because they are not "holistic" enough. (And those 5, 6 A+s get the scholarship >.<)

Meritocracy suffers when u try to be holistic without giving some guidelines.

There are guidelines for Co-cu for the JPA scholarship. But the guidelines are always "rahsia" and never to be revealed, just so that they can give marks according to their fancy.

[Nicholas92]

I think they should not try to appear "holistic" in the selection process.

Face it: there is (practically) no holistic education in our public education system.

It's disgusting to see students trying so hard to get As because our system demands it, and then denied a scholarship because they are not "holistic" enough. (And those 5, 6 A+s get the scholarship >.<)

Meritocracy suffers when u try to be holistic without giving some guidelines.

There ARE holistic considerations - co-cu + leadership positions and all that. It's not well-implemented into our academic system and made as important as exams, but there definitely are holistic students.

The problem is that the government puts a lot of emphasis on getting the As to get the scholarship, only to say later on that it's not enough - and the students who didn't bother doing more than study end up suffering, hard work gone.

But yes, the system itself also needs change. But we do have SOME holistic education.

She appealed. Her case quite sad, but hard to help also. BM didn't get A. BUT WHAT SHIZ. The BM/PM subject didn't get A is another issue to be mentioned about. Do you know that every SPM exam centre have a different bell-graph to determine the grades of a student? This, meaning that the people from rural areas need only to score a lower mark to get an A, whereas, the more competitive urban area students need to score an outrageously high mark to get an A. Not only that, this implementation of the bell graph is discreetly used by the gov, which means they can just do whatever they like to CONTROL THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP.

You might doubt that, but fyi, she is the top in her class(my school's a cluster school), always amongst the top scorers for her school BM examinations, get A+ for CHINESE and 9 other subjects, get B+ for BM...?

The bell curve is something of an open secret. But I didn't know they had separate bell curves to create literal double standards like that. But then again, I'm also not surprised. Where'd you find this out? Curious.

The other sad part is no matter how noble our justifications are if the realpolitic behind everything is not changed. We are just going to be like the wolf trying to blow a brick house in the three little pigs.

So how can we change the reapolitic?

Right now it's evolution or revolution. The ballot box is still feasible, so I'd not suggest a revolution. The system is skewed, but if ever the Opposition could muster 60% of the popular vote, it may be enough to bring BN down. (Winning just over 50% isn't enough, thanks to gerrymandering and stuff. But in that sense we're lucky this isn't Singapore)

[Cerav]

She appealed. Her case quite sad, but hard to help also. BM didn't get A. BUT WHAT SHIZ. The BM/PM subject didn't get A is another issue to be mentioned about. Do you know that every SPM exam centre have a different bell-graph to determine the grades of a student? This, meaning that the people from rural areas need only to score a lower mark to get an A, whereas, the more competitive urban area students need to score an outrageously high mark to get an A. Not only that, this implementation of the bell graph is discreetly used by the gov, which means they can just do whatever they like to CONTROL THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE SCHOLARSHIP.

You might doubt that, but fyi, she is the top in her class(my school's a cluster school), always amongst the top scorers for her school BM examinations, get A+ for CHINESE and 9 other subjects, get B+ for BM...?

Wow, this is tricky. The things is JPA needs at least an A for BM, so her choice could be to recheck the paper and try for JPA again or apply for other scholarship.

The most extreme thing she can do is to drop the idea of JPA scholarship ace her pre-u an apply for better scholarship like BNM, SHELL and a lot more scholarship after pre-u or even take SAT and apply for a place in US (did you know most universities in the us provide financial aid for international students, i have a friend in harvard got financial aid even when she had BNM as her sponsor~ my point is you can get financial aid there)

[AlternateF4]

OK i know the hype has kind died down but i just had to post this!!

You know this whole deal with scholarships and JPA right, it really needs to be revamped. You know here's a thought you MIGHT want to consider. Unlike many other countries, our government is actually VERY generous. The fact that even under economical strains (that have come about due to.... ahem.. reasons that I won't bother elaborating) they are giving out scholarships to people who do not deserve them = people who take scholarships, go abroad and settle down permanently abroad, breaking the bond they had with the government in the first place. In fact, I think that the government is far too generous with scholarships.

Also, affirmative action policies are always necessary because it really really does help a country in the long run. HENCE, JPA should have come up with separate scholarships -- need-based and merit-based. Then all of you compete on different levels.... But I'm not the government but well...

So, seriously, suck it up. Admissions, the process of giving out scholarships are sometimes quite arbitrary. Sometimes, it is very difficult to pinpoint why a person got a scholarship or not. Grades alone don't always justify the need to receive a scholarship. Even if there was more transparency within the system, like what Nicholas92 mentioned, it eventually becomes a game of numbers.

And boohoo if you feel victimized by the system zzzzz

OK conclusion: guys so next time you know what to do when you turn 21 okay. ^^ and seriously, JPA isn't all that hyped up as it's made out to be. turn to other things!!! expand your boundaries! soul-search!!!!! besides, i'm sure if you're all capable people, opportunities will come knocking your door when the time strikes. take it from someone who's been rejected across the board. hehehe.



aiya, in every country they have the bell control thingy. :P it's sad but true.
In other countries, Europe, America, Australia, people pay a higher amount of tax, but get higher education for free. Yes you may say that we too have our own public U's, eg UM, USM, UKM, but not many of us are able to secure a place for them. Worse still, they implement the "quota system" and "unjust meritocracy system" which made many of us opt for Private U's instead. So, let me ask you guys, do you think a bright student, however wasn't EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE enough, yet parents are not able to pay for Private U's, be denied a chance to further their studies? Think about it, many 10A students were not able to secure a scholarship.

[Cerav]

OK i know the hype has kind died down but i just had to post this!!

You know this whole deal with scholarships and JPA right, it really needs to be revamped. You know here's a thought you MIGHT want to consider. Unlike many other countries, our government is actually VERY generous. The fact that even under economical strains (that have come about due to.... ahem.. reasons that I won't bother elaborating) they are giving out scholarships to people who do not deserve them = people who take scholarships, go abroad and settle down permanently abroad, breaking the bond they had with the government in the first place. In fact, I think that the government is far too generous with scholarships.



Other foreigners are actually amazed that our government is even willing to give us scholarships.

[AlternateF4]

Wow, this is tricky. The things is JPA needs at least an A for BM, so her choice could be to recheck the paper and try for JPA again or apply for other scholarship.

The most extreme thing she can do is to drop the idea of JPA scholarship ace her pre-u an apply for better scholarship like BNM, SHELL and a lot more scholarship after pre-u or even take SAT and apply for a place in US (did you know most universities in the us provide financial aid for international students, i have a friend in harvard got financial aid even when she had BNM as her sponsor~ my point is you can get financial aid there)
Yes she dropped the idea of getting a JPA scholarship, and hoped for the best through A levels. But seriously, it's the government's loss for not having her as a scholar. She's now less loyal to Malaysia, less thankful to the government. If i were her, i would just diss Malaysia and go to another country(considering how hard she worked for the scholarship, just to get rejected).

[Cactus]

Other foreigners are actually amazed that our government is even willing to give us scholarships.

Ya, abolish JPA PILN lah. :nuts

But that hasn't happened.

So we are now whining on this forum about how unfair JPA has been.

(sorry, I got too worked up. Leaving now....)

[AlternateF4]

Other foreigners are actually amazed that our government is even willing to give us scholarships.

Don't be fooled. The taxes we pay should be enough to secure us places in tertiary education. The politicians swallowed the money up. Our parents pay 30% of our pay to the gov each year. Say if you earn 100k per annum, 30k goes to the gov every year. Parents work 18 years (since you are 18 years old when you apply), parents already contributed 540k of taxes to the gov.

[Nicholas92]

Ahh I wouldn't advocate ditching the country just because the government (important distinction) didn't give you a scholarship.

Yet another problem with long-serving governments; they get confused with the state. Gov't =/= state. Malaysia is still a beautiful country with plenty to offer. The government sucks. The government influences the country but the country is more than just the executive and legislative branch. It encompasses all of us, the citizens, too. Ditching Malaysia means ditching its people as well (but I do understand how some people just have to leave the country...but I never like it when it's solely because of the government. But that's reality.)

I'm loyal to my country. A lot. Not so much with the government (read: almost not at all).

Interesting points raised though. Yes, we are ridiculously generous with scholarships. In fact I'm in support of abolishing the PILN and focusing on building up our local institutions. And also yes, other countries with fewer scholarships have less expensive education. Trade-off either way. What's right? I'd say the other states present a better model. Less expensive local education + fewer overseas scholarships means we have more of our brightest populating our local unis.

[AlternateF4]

Ya, abolish JPA PILN lah. :nuts

But that hasn't happened.

So we are now whining on this forum about how unfair JPA has been.

(sorry, I got too worked up. Leaving now....)

This is the worst thing that will happen to us non-bumis. The JPA scholarship is the only scholarship given by the gov for us non-bumis, whereas bumis still have the MARA scholarship. If they abolish JPA, bumis still have MARA. And do you know? The total number of MARA scholarship exceeds the total number of JPA scholarship. That's like, sucking all of the non-bumi's money, and giving them out to the bumis.

[ayjiahui]

In other countries, Europe, America, Australia, people pay a higher amount of tax, but get higher education for free. Yes you may say that we too have our own public U's, eg UM, USM, UKM, but not many of us are able to secure a place for them. Worse still, they implement the "quota system" and "unjust meritocracy system" which made many of us opt for Private U's instead. So, let me ask you guys, do you think a bright student, however wasn't EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE enough, yet parents are not able to pay for Private U's, be denied a chance to further their studies? Think about it, many 10A students were not able to secure a scholarship.

Are you sure America is in the list of free higher education? You should see the amount of student debts there are because of loans for higher education. And yeaaaaa. The amount of taxes they pay. Crazy right? Where does the tax money go? Middle east.

Er, do you have figures for what you just said? Securing a place isn't TOO hard if you take the STPM route. Securing a place in a course of choice is the problem. But that problem is a universal problem.

Private Us sprung up because of the demand. It's a spiral thing... Your point is quite invalid. Plus these days, need-based scholarships for local private unis are becoming more easily available because of the increased competition between university. Honestly, if you're TRULY bright (and resourceful = not just banking on one option to get out of the country) opportunities WILL come.

Don't be fooled. The taxes we pay should be enough to secure us places in tertiary education. The politicians swallowed the money up. Our parents pay 30% of our pay to the gov each year. Say if you earn 100k per annum, 30k goes to the gov every year. Parents work 18 years (since you are 18 years old when you apply), parents already contributed 540k of taxes to the gov.

Kid, you do realize that the tax money goes to other parts of the economy like HEALTHCARE and EDUCATION. We literally have free education from primary 1 to form 6. THAT is quite crazy. Our healthcare system is actually really good BETTER THAN AMERICA YOU KNOW! The fact that people can afford cheap healthcare. That is where your parents money goes to.

[Cactus]

This is the worst thing that will happen to us non-bumis. The JPA scholarship is the only scholarship given by the gov for us non-bumis, whereas bumis still have the MARA scholarship. If they abolish JPA, bumis still have MARA. And do you know? The total number of MARA scholarship exceeds the total number of JPA scholarship. That's like, sucking all of the non-bumi's money, and giving them out to the bumis.

oops. Didn't see that.

So lo....what's wrong with demanding a little bit of transparency and meritocracy when the government is still giving out scholarships...(or rather, when the people still wants the government to give out scholarships.)

So what the government is "generous", it's our money anyway.
In fact, not only ours, but also those (whether socio-economically disadvantaged or not) whose children probably don't stand a chance to get a scholarship from the government.

Not like we'd die without a scholarship. Just annoyed by how the scholarships are being distributed.

[AlternateF4]

Ahh I wouldn't advocate ditching the country just because the government (important distinction) didn't give you a scholarship.

Yet another problem with long-serving governments; they get confused with the state. Gov't =/= state. Malaysia is still a beautiful country with plenty to offer. The government sucks. The government influences the country but the country is more than just the executive and legislative branch. It encompasses all of us, the citizens, too. Ditching Malaysia means ditching its people as well (but I do understand how some people just have to leave the country...but I never like it when it's solely because of the government. But that's reality.)

I'm loyal to my country. A lot. Not so much with the government (read: almost not at all).

Interesting points raised though. Yes, we are ridiculously generous with scholarships. In fact I'm in support of abolishing the PILN and focusing on building up our local institutions. And also yes, other countries with fewer scholarships have less expensive education. Trade-off either way. What's right? I'd say the other states present a better model. Less expensive local education + fewer overseas scholarships means we have more of our brightest populating our local unis.

I am loyal to Malaysia too. Very loyal in fact. If I am not loyal, i wouldn't give a damn about this country and have fled long ago. Yes i totally agree with building local institutions. Did you know that UM was once one of the top U's in the world? But implementations of the quota system and unjust selection of students has deteriorated the quality of education in local institutions. So, it boils back down to the people who implements the system, the government. So, ultimately, we youths, should start realising the truth about the Malaysian GOV, and take actions by voting them out.

[ayjiahui]

Yes she dropped the idea of getting a JPA scholarship, and hoped for the best through A levels. But seriously, it's the government's loss for not having her as a scholar. She's now less loyal to Malaysia, less thankful to the government. If i were her, i would just diss Malaysia and go to another country(considering how hard she worked for the scholarship, just to get rejected).

It's funny how she derives her loyalty by the providence of a scholarship. Country non egale government, my friend!

[Young]

Don't be fooled. The taxes we pay should be enough to secure us places in tertiary education. The politicians swallowed the money up. Our parents pay 30% of our pay to the gov each year. Say if you earn 100k per annum, 30k goes to the gov every year. Parents work 18 years (since you are 18 years old when you apply), parents already contributed 540k of taxes to the gov.

Yes, and 100% of our tax money goes into education now, doesn't it? Defence budgets, public amenities, healthcare, civil workforce salary, infrastructural costs, etc all fall from the sky now, am I right?

[Cactus]

It's funny how she derives her loyalty by the providence of a scholarship. Country non egale government, my friend!

err....I think the underlying reason is fair treatment la.

But then...yea, some people might feel entitled to some scholarships. (Not saying that the future medical student is like that.)

[AlternateF4]

Yes i know that not all of our parent's taxes goes to tertiary education. But with the amount paid by our parents, and of course richer parents, i believe the gov has the capability to give tertiary education to MORE deserving people. Just imagine Malaysia without private colleges. I bet most of us won't even get tertiary education, correct me if i am wrong.

[ayjiahui]

I am loyal to Malaysia too. Very loyal in fact. If I am not loyal, i wouldn't give a damn about this country and have fled long ago. Yes i totally agree with building local institutions. Did you know that UM was once one of the top U's in the world? But implementations of the quota system and unjust selection of students has deteriorated the quality of education in local institutions. So, it boils back down to the people who implements the system, the government. So, ultimately, we youths, should start realising the truth about the Malaysian GOV, and take actions by voting them out.

Yaaa.. I also know UM was top 10 in the world like decades ago. So don't complain about JPA la haiyo. Nothing you can do about the government yet mahhh. Kaotim the politics then only settle education la.

[AlternateF4]

Yes, and 100% of our tax money goes into education now, doesn't it? Defence budgets, public amenities, healthcare, civil workforce salary, infrastructural costs, etc all fall from the sky now, am I right?

Yes, and menteri's son who drive lamborghini's to private colleges and stay in EXTRAVAGANTLY LARGE MANSIONS also fall from the sky. :mad :P

[ayjiahui]

err....I think the underlying reason is fair treatment la.

But then...yea, some people might feel entitled to some scholarships. (Not saying that the future medical student is like that.)

Like I said. Government and country aren't the same thing. And if one small hiccup in life like this deters your 'loyalty', even if the government were more fair and more transparent... you'd turn less loyal anyway. No?

[Young]

Yes i know that not all of our parent's taxes goes to tertiary education. But with the amount paid by our parents, and of course richer parents, i believe the gov has the capability to give tertiary education to MORE deserving people. Just imagine Malaysia without private colleges. I bet most of us won't even get tertiary education, correct me if i am wrong.

You cannot take private institutions out of the equation. They are there for a reason: they fill a social and economical need. Demand is the main driver of the private education industry in Malaysia. If you want to pluck establishments out of countries at whim, you might as well remove the entire healthcare system and half the education system in the USA, since they're mostly private.

Also, did you know that our taxation rates are one of the lowest in the world? If I'm not mistaken, our highest income tax bracket is only 26-30% yet we're able to provide (almost) free education and healthcare for all citizens. Do you have any idea how amazing that is? Australia's highest tax bracket is 50%, and they can barely sustain their semi-welfare state. If you really want everything to be as perfect and perky as you play it out in your idealized conception of Malaysia, why not increase our taxes to 50% too? How would you like that?

[ayjiahui]

Yes i know that not all of our parent's taxes goes to tertiary education. But with the amount paid by our parents, and of course richer parents, i believe the gov has the capability to give tertiary education to MORE deserving people. Just imagine Malaysia without private colleges. I bet most of us won't even get tertiary education, correct me if i am wrong.

Budget issues will always be contentious no matter which country you're in.

There is a demand for tertiary education which is why they come about, so it is impossible to have a Malaysia without private colleges. Also, yes the government can give tertiary education to.... local universities. Seriously, tertiary education these days is easily obtainable. Very. Easily. The only difference is the recognition and reputation, that's all.

anyway, seriously, this tax thing is really really a moot issue. =__=

[Cactus]

Like I said. Government and country aren't the same thing. And if one small hiccup in life like this deters your 'loyalty', even if the government were more fair and more transparent... you'd turn less loyal anyway. No?

Can I say that not getting her desired scholarship might be the trigger of her "disloyalty" (what a loaded word)?

Maybe she already saw a lot of unfairness around, but not getting the scholarship is what personally affected her, so....she :mad the government lo.

Yes, Malaysian government and the Federation of Malaysia is different, but they are all politics. A country is a political system also right? Theoretically she could be fed up with the politics of this country and just want to leave.

[ayjiahui]

You cannot take private institutions out of the equation. They are there for a reason: they fill a social and economical need. Demand is the main driver of the private education industry in Malaysia. If you want to pluck establishments out of countries at whim, you might as well remove the entire healthcare system and half the education system in the USA, since they're mostly private.

Also, did you know that our taxation rates are one of the lowest in the world? If I'm not mistaken, our highest income tax bracket is only 26-30% yet we're able to provide (almost) free education and healthcare for all citizens. Do you have any idea how amazing that is? Australia's highest tax bracket is 50%, and they can barely sustain their semi-welfare state. If you really want everything to be as perfect and perky as you play it out in your idealized conception of Malaysia, why not increase our taxes to 50% too? How would you like that?

Sidetracking: Cos Australia pays everyone too well. Cost of workers just too high! :P Working on public holidays = double pay. Of course they can't sustain their country lah. HAHAH.

[AlternateF4]

Like I said. Government and country aren't the same thing. And if one small hiccup in life like this deters your 'loyalty', even if the government were more fair and more transparent... you'd turn less loyal anyway. No?

I agree that the government isn't the country, but in Malaysia's context, it's quite hard to differentiate the government and the country, without reading up the subject Sejarah. BN has been in power for too long, and many are afraid that they will be in power for an even longer time. So, they are forced to be not loyal to the country, and eventually flee. This is very sad, but we, non bumis, are not the majority, so it's technically hard to vote out the existing government that uses race and religion to secure their seats in parliament.

[ayjiahui]

Can I say that not getting her desired scholarship might be the trigger of her "disloyalty" (what a loaded word)?

Maybe she already saw a lot of unfairness around, but not getting the scholarship is what personally affected her, so....she :mad the government lo.

Yes, Malaysian government and the Federation of Malaysia is different, but they are all politics. A country is a political system also right? Theoretically she could be fed up with the politics of this country and just want to leave.

Precisely why it is funny.

[Cactus]

Precisely why it is funny.
sorry, don't see the funniness.

???

[ayjiahui]

I agree that the government isn't the country, but in Malaysia's context, it's quite hard to differentiate the government and the country, without reading up the subject Sejarah. BN has been in power for too long, and many are afraid that they will be in power for an even longer time. So, they are forced to be not loyal to the country, and eventually flee. This is very sad, but we, non bumis, are not the majority, so it's technically hard to vote out the existing government that uses race and religion to secure their seats in parliament.

Do you follow the news? Er, no one is ever forced or coerced to 'flee'. You make it sound like our country is having civil war. =__=

Er... Firstly, follow the politics and you will realize that change is happening. More and more urban Malays and Bumis are the ones going against the Gov. Hence, BN lost stronghold on all the urban states.

As you can see, BN is currently in a state of panic which is why Najib announced what he did in the first place. I think it was dumb and a political coy just to nab Chinese support since most of us Chinese(and I say this with a huge amount of regret) can be so easily appeased with the providence of a scholarship. Whether or not the government will see a revamp in the next election or two, I doubt it. But have faith. Good always wins. Eventually.

[AlternateF4]

sorry, don't see the funniness.

???

I'm stuck of where to begin. Is that funny? :P
Errr, read back my reply, i said "I WOULD", not "SHE WOULD". So i would if i were her, which i am not her. So she might not, and i definitely won't. LOL

[Nicholas92]

^Lol yeah I think everyone missed that.

[ayjiahui]

^Lol yeah I think everyone missed that.

Missed what

[Nicholas92]

The fact that AltF4 was speaking hypothetically, i.e. if he was HER (the friend), and what he'd do - so "she" isn't disloyal apparently haha.

[AlternateF4]

Do you follow the news? Er, no one is ever forced or coerced to 'flee'. You make it sound like our country is having civil war. =__=

Er... Firstly, follow the politics and you will realize that change is happening. More and more urban Malays and Bumis are the ones going against the Gov. Hence, BN lost stronghold on all the urban states.

As you can see, BN is currently in a state of panic which is why Najib announced what he did in the first place. I think it was dumb and a political coy just to nab Chinese support since most of us Chinese(and I say this with a huge amount of regret) can be so easily appeased with the providence of a scholarship. Whether or not the government will see a revamp in the next election or two, I doubt it. But have faith. Good always wins. Eventually.

Some are forced to flee because they want a better life for their children, desperately. I totes agree with what you said. And we should continue our efforts in making sure Malaysia becomes a better place to live in. Hopefully, someone who has charisma and integrity will emerge soon and fight for us, the suppressed, and make education fair for all.

[Hebkya]

well,I appealed to MCA regarding my case..I don't hope too high,just try my luck..if the ans is no,then I will opt for private uni by taking a loan...Where there's a will,there's a way...it's not the end of me!My life still goes on..

[Cactus]

Some are forced to flee because they want a better life for their children, desperately. I totes agree with what you said. And we should continue our efforts in making sure Malaysia becomes a better place to live in. Hopefully, someone who has charisma and integrity will emerge soon and fight for us, the suppressed, and make education fair for all.

The Messiah :nuts

[ayjiahui]

Some are forced to flee because they want a better life for their children, desperately. I totes agree with what you said. And we should continue our efforts in making sure Malaysia becomes a better place to live in. Hopefully, someone who has charisma and integrity will emerge soon and fight for us, the suppressed, and make education fair for all.

dude srsly. stop saying flee. we're not having a civil war.

[AlternateF4]

The Messiah :nuts

Fyi, i'm not a religious person, for certain reasons. I'm not going to go into that, because the title has nothing to do with religion. HAHAHAHHAA. But seriously, be realistic. We just need someone like Lim Kit Siang.

dude srsly. stop saying flee. we're not having a civil war.

Run...? You are funny indeed, ayjiahui :P

[ayjiahui]

Run...? You are funny indeed, ayjiahui :P

Yes i'm so funny i make my sister pee. Thank you. Also, I'm anal about word choice. I like english. zzzzz. sorriez.

[AlternateF4]

Yes i'm so funny i make my sister pee. Thank you. Also, I'm anal about word choice. I like english. zzzzz. sorriez.

OHHHH you are the englishy type! Sozzz imma not englishy, I more of super like maths and I've been sucky in english. SOZZZ :P

[ayjiahui]

OHHHH you are the englishy type! Sozzz imma not englishy, I more of super like maths and I've been sucky in english. SOZZZ :P

ya i like maths and physics too. and nothing else. i'm weird. i like both the arts and sciences.

[Cactus]

OHHHH you are the englishy type! Sozzz imma not englishy, I more of super like maths and I've been sucky in english. SOZZZ :P

Math is very precise in language use isn't it?:P

[AlternateF4]

ya i like maths and physics too. and nothing else. i'm weird. i like both the arts and sciences.

I like many things too. But somehow I have the least inclination in language. Which is kinda sucks, because many things in world today depends on language. How I wish that I'm better in language, especially english. Fyi, i'm working on tenses right now. I have always gotten them wrong.

[Nicholas92]

ya i like maths and physics too. and nothing else. i'm weird. i like both the arts and sciences.

NO WAY

hybrids are so rare...

[AlternateF4]

NO WAY

hybrids are so rare...

No they are not. HERE HERE I LIKE BOTH TOO! :D

[ayjiahui]

I like many things too. But somehow I have the least inclination in language. Which is kinda sucks, because many things in world today depends on language. How I wish that I'm better in language, especially english. Fyi, i'm working on tenses right now. I have always gotten them wrong.

True that. So write, read... ask for help. If you can get your hands on this book by Stannard Allen it would probably help you lots. Good luck.

NO WAY

hybrids are so rare...

That's what my counselor in JC said.

[Nicholas92]

If I could I would've taken hybrid myself, not so much cos I like both but cos I'd take Bio and Maths just seems a bit scary to drop, tempting as it is. Agh.

Aren't we off-topic now? :P

[ayjiahui]

well,I appealed to MCA regarding my case..I don't hope too high,just try my luck..if the ans is no,then I will opt for private uni by taking a loan...Where there's a will,there's a way...it's not the end of me!My life still goes on..

Apply to the US for university. Heaps of scholarships/financial aid waiting for you. hehehe

[cycycy]

I wonder what's wrong with the two guys who voted 'Satisfying. Supportive towards the Public Service Department's stand.' :laugh

[scatcherer]

i read tis thread from the beginning, haha cerav why are u defending jpa? Wee ka siong alrd said they made a blunder tis year.... And i went jpa to day, and jpa ppl said tat the pm officer came and scolded their department kao kao for nt following orders from cabinet. The cabinet is very piss wif jpa... Thy asked jpa to layan every single appeal.. Now tat thy cant pull back the scholarships given out, the government is havin some serious headache to deal with. Jpa is at fault, we as rakyat mus voice out, nt jus sit there and wait for tides to change. Yes its not the end if we dont get scholarship, but we mus at least voice out by complaining, by media or anything.. Whn there is negative feedback thn thy will improve. Its abt wats wrong and why we shd fix it. We alrd know the whole story abt lemons and lemonades....tis is a diff story. Tis is abt asking jpa to deal with the mistake and nt running away frm it, to learn frm it and change for the better.

[MrHoww]

1.Meritocracy is for the top 300.

2.8A+ above all got a scholarship to study until university (they don't specify whether its going to be local or overseas).

3.How is is Bank Negara not giving kijang emas to the top scholars if they don't even go interviews or get screened (Maybe during my year but there is another kijang scholarship but not the emas)

4.Yup, its from the taxes ~ i can go on and on about taxes but bear in mind its about money. Money is being channeled to you think about that not the government (the government is just a channel).

5.One things is for sure no one truly deserves anything if even they think they work hard for it ~ the thing is what is so bad about the lemon?

6.Yes, i'm a JPA scholar and yes i'm a bumiputera thats how i knew about the quota system by JPA and how they process the scholarship.

7.Don't you dare degrade the local institution, its disgusting. Getting a diploma doesn't make you a second grade, a loser etc. I have friends with diplomas and matrix and upu and they are brilliant and inspiring people but the thing is they only lack the chance and luck as i did.

EXCUSEZ-MOI, the whole problem is that they are not sponsoring us until a DEGREE! I don't care they send me to overseas or local, but they suppose to grant us with scholarships funding us until a Bachelor Degree.

It is stated so damn clearly that upon my graduation of Diploma in Metallurgy Engineering, I have to work for the government. Let me clarify this again, I AM willing to serve for people if you sponsor me until a Bachelor Degree, but for Diploma.. What type of work I deserve? The helper of engineer to clean up his work??! :notrust

[idunnoy]

i read tis thread from the beginning, haha cerav why are u defending jpa? Wee ka siong alrd said they made a blunder tis year.... And i went jpa to day, and jpa ppl said tat the pm officer came and scolded their department kao kao for nt following orders from cabinet. The cabinet is very piss wif jpa... Thy asked jpa to layan every single appeal.. Now tat thy cant pull back the scholarships given out, the government is havin some serious headache to deal with. Jpa is at fault, we as rakyat mus voice out, nt jus sit there and wait for tides to change. Yes its not the end if we dont get scholarship, but we mus at least voice out by complaining, by media or anything.. Whn there is negative feedback thn thy will improve. Its abt wats wrong and why we shd fix it. We alrd know the whole story abt lemons and lemonades....tis is a diff story. Tis is abt asking jpa to deal with the mistake and nt running away frm it, to learn frm it and change for the better.

they make blunder every year and wee ka siong says it every year. No wrong voicing it out but there's a better way to do something :)

[MrHoww]

Who can't fund themselves in matriculation? Do some research, there many poor ppl out there who can't afford education. From what you said, i don't see anybody who has EXTREMELY good koko or academically SUPERIOR and didn't get the scholarship. U think a 8A+ student is academically SUPERIOR? There are so many ppl out there putting thier parents salaries less than RM1000, if their parents income is really so low, do u really think they can afford Matriculation? Whether u get the country u want or the course u want, it's up to JPA. If u think u demand better quality education, why don't u pay urself? If u dont have money, then just accept the offer whether it's Matriculation or UPU. If u dont get the scholarship at all, then easy said, u simply don't qualify.

So how about yourself? Can you tell something about YOURSELF? :huh

This is the worst thing that will happen to us non-bumis. The JPA scholarship is the only scholarship given by the gov for us non-bumis, whereas bumis still have the MARA scholarship. If they abolish JPA, bumis still have MARA. And do you know? The total number of MARA scholarship exceeds the total number of JPA scholarship. That's like, sucking all of the non-bumi's money, and giving them out to the bumis.
Can't consent more than your points.

[scatcherer]

what better way than to unite the malaysians and voice it out until they change? I cant think of any better way other thn voicing out....unless u wanna have a war or call the un to interfere...lol jus kiddin..ps running away frm the solution is nt solving anything. =) if the government dun solve it...well thn make sure to face the decision of the voters in the nex election =)

So how about yourself? Can you tell something about YOURSELF? :huh


Can't consent more than your points.

We are partial slave to msia in a way lol lol....

[MrHoww]

I wonder what's wrong with the two guys who voted 'Satisfying. Supportive towards the Public Service Department's stand.' :laugh

Because they have been granted with PILN, thus they are afraid that their place would be transferred to a more deserving student. Or in worst case scenario, the whole list is abolished, another is introduced... 9 people support that idea by 1:50pm 20 May 2011.

[ayjiahui]

i have a question. for most of the students who were 'deserving' but were 'denied' of an overseas scholarship, a scholarship they 'deserve'.... what course(s) did they apply for?

[MrHoww]

what better way than to unite the malaysians and voice it out until they change? I cant think of any better way other thn voicing out....unless u wanna have a war or call the un to interfere...lol jus kiddin..ps running away frm the solution is nt solving anything. =) if the government dun solve it...well thn make sure to face the decision of the voters in the nex election =)



We are partial slave to msia in a way lol lol....

Okay, frankly, I'm not that seriously studying in-depth into our politics. But the thing I am not satisfied is the secrecIES behind their politics. How many things they have to shroud from public acknowledgement? No matter in terms of economy, education, policy etc... There do not offer transparency to the main unit of a country - Citizens. On the other hand, it is okay for them to help the aborigines due to their less development during the colonial ages, but there must a transparent guideline and with a limit. Limitless assistance is bad for all. For the assisted group, their motivation to reach another pinnacle faded. For the not assisted group, sense of being neglected arises, once jealousy and envy is born, the consequent is unimaginable - civil war, the splitting of the country into two, massacre, macabre slaughtering, everything not humane will occur. For the government itself, they will be gradually becoming notorious in the eyes of people, their fame vanished into the thin air, what is left is their loss of grip in the central constituency and the pouvoir to control the people.

Internationally, the country is not recognized as a harmony nation. The intervention of different international organizations shrunken the real identity of the country. The risk of perpetual and permanent segregation pervades jour par jour. Where is the position of our country in the map?

[ayjiahui]

EXCUSEZ-MOI, the whole problem is that they are not sponsoring us until a DEGREE! I don't care they send me to overseas or local, but they suppose to grant us with scholarships funding us until a Bachelor Degree.

It is stated so damn clearly that upon my graduation of Diploma in Metallurgy Engineering, I have to work for the government. Let me clarify this again, I AM willing to serve for people if you sponsor me until a Bachelor Degree, but for Diploma.. What type of work I deserve? The helper of engineer to clean up his work??! :notrust

okay... how is that a problem? it is still a qualification. just saying.

anyway, is it stated in the JPA terms and conditions or whatever that they will definitely be sponsoring a bachelors? if that's the case then you have every right to take it up to MCA/newspapers.

[MrHoww]

i have a question. for most of the students who were 'deserving' but were 'denied' of an overseas scholarship, a scholarship they 'deserve'.... what course(s) did they apply for?

Some very competitive, while some are not critical courses.

Majority here are medicine, pharmacy, law, (France and German) Engineering.

[ayjiahui]

Okay, frankly, I'm not that seriously studying in-depth into our politics. But the thing I am not satisfied is the secrecIES behind their politics. How many things they have to shroud from public acknowledgement? No matter in terms of economy, education, policy etc... There do not offer transparency to the main unit of a country - Citizens. On the other hand, it is okay for them to help the aborigines due to their less development during the colonial ages, but there must a transparent guideline and with a limit. Limitless assistance is bad for all. For the assisted group, their motivation to reach another pinnacle faded. For the not assisted group, sense of being neglected arises, once jealousy and envy is born, the consequent is unimaginable - civil war, the splitting of the country into two, massacre, macabre slaughtering, everything not humane will occur. For the government itself, they will be gradually becoming notorious in the eyes of people, their fame vanished into the thin air, what is left is their loss of grip in the central constituency and the pouvoir to control the people.

Internationally, the country is not recognized as a harmony nation. The intervention of different international organizations shrunken the real identity of the country. The risk of perpetual and permanent segregation pervades jour par jour. Where is the position of our country in the map?

parlez-vous francais? :)

anyway, i understand your frustrations but you really are taking it to extremes. our country is not at a point where we're about to break into civil war. as it is, the government is slipping in terms of credibility and it is no open secret that they fear the opposition.

all i can say is use the power of the vote when you're older. influence people, friends for change. i understand that you probably still need time to vent frustrations. but seriously, when you're done hurting refrain from complaining (even to the media) because it really does nothing. take that energy and try to do something more constructive. yes? :)

Some very competitive, while some are not critical courses.

Majority here are medicine, pharmacy, law, (France and German) Engineering.

LOL. then that is even more reason for the scholarship to be given out arbitrarily. obviously it is very difficult to secure your ideals.

[vseehua]

EXCUSEZ-MOI, the whole problem is that they are not sponsoring us until a DEGREE! I don't care they send me to overseas or local, but they suppose to grant us with scholarships funding us until a Bachelor Degree.Uhm, they are the ones who gets to decide whether you get it or not. Is it stated anywhere that they must sponsor you until you have your degree? There is always the option to reject their offer if you don't like it...

[MrHoww]

Uhm, they are the ones who gets to decide whether you get it or not. Is it stated anywhere that they must sponsor you until you have your degree? There is always the option to reject their offer if you don't like it...

So you are telling us to 收皮？zZz This is normal human psychology, if you don't get something, you will complain until the pico-second that you are 100% not going to get that. If human loses this ability, then once he/she failed in her career, it's the Doom's Day loh...

parlez-vous francais? :)

anyway, i understand your frustrations but you really are taking it to extremes. our country is not at a point where we're about to break into civil war. as it is, the government is slipping in terms of credibility and it is no open secret that they fear the opposition.

all i can say is use the power of the vote when you're older. influence people, friends for change. i understand that you probably still need time to vent frustrations. but seriously, when you're done hurting refrain from complaining (even to the media) because it really does nothing. take that energy and try to do something more constructive. yes? :)



LOL. then that is even more reason for the scholarship to be given out arbitrarily. obviously it is very difficult to secure your ideals.

Un petit peu, mais ma grammaire est tres bad... =.= Particulierement a propos de conjugaison... zZz

Oui, d'accord, it takes time.... *inhale* *exhale*

OMG Nonsense here, hoped that the moderators won't delete my post... :lol

[ayjiahui]

So you are telling us to 收皮？zZz This is normal human psychology, if you don't get something, you will complain until the pico-second that you are 100% not going to get that. If human loses this ability, then once he/she failed in her career, it's the Doom's Day loh...

Normal? No... not everyone subscribes to that sort of mentality. There are other ways and means to getting something you want. Sure, fight as hard as you want. But to complain about it on a place like this? Think twice.

So again, I ask the same question. Did they state that they will sponsor you up to your degree?

ok i dunno what chinese you spewed so.... meh

[vseehua]

Moderator Note: There are other ReComers who don't understand Chinese. Please be understanding and try not to use it here.

So you are telling us to 收皮？zZz This is normal human psychology, if you don't get something, you will complain until the pico-second that you are 100% not going to get that. If human loses this ability, then once he/she failed in her career, it's the Doom's Day loh..So, in the end, you just want to be a normal person? If I am part of the evaluation team, I would give it to someone extraordinary, not someone normal. Go ahead and continue to complain then, I'll watch those who knows how to pick up their pieces move on with life and be much, much more successful than you can ever be.

So again, I ask the same question. Did they state that they will sponsor you up to your degree?
Quoted for emphasis.

[scatcherer]

So you are telling us to 收皮？zZz This is normal human psychology, if you don't get something, you will complain until the pico-second that you are 100% not going to get that. If human loses this ability, then once he/she failed in her career, it's the Doom's Day loh...



Un petit peu, mais ma grammaire est tres bad... =.= Particulierement a propos de conjugaison... zZz

Oui, d'accord, it takes time.... *inhale* *exhale*

OMG Nonsense here, hoped that the moderators won't delete my post... :lol

I agree hehe...we mus always complain haha ps complaining is sth constructive....constructive to the country... If everyone in a country have the dont care attitutu and no complaining is done, thn the country will go no where. Whether or nt the complain is succesful is another matter...bt pressure is needed to improve a system and the country.

[ayjiahui]

So, in the end, you just want to be a normal person? If I am part of the evaluation team, I would give it to someone extraordinary, not someone normal. Go ahead and continue to complain then, I'll watch those who knows how to pick up their pieces move on with life and be much, much more successful than you can ever be.


Precisely. And frankly, many of the 'top scorers' for SPM have this tendency to think that just because they study hard for SPM and get 9A+ or 10A+... it automatically makes them deserving of a scholarship. I mean seriously, it just shows that you are able to study. That's all.

You know, for many selection processes, a few key questions that is often asked by an admission panel is this: Why should I admit you? Why should I give you this scholarship? What makes you special?

If you're just good for studying and rote-learning or even if you just have a string of meaningless top positions with that 'academic success'... what good are you and why are you special? Why SHOULD they give you the scholarship? What can you offer the person who offers you a scholarship in the long run?

[scatcherer]

Moderator Note: There are other ReComers who don't understand Chinese. Please be understanding and try not to use it here.

So, in the end, you just want to be a normal person? If I am part of the evaluation team, I would give it to someone extraordinary, not someone normal. Go ahead and continue to complain then, I'll watch those who knows how to pick up their pieces move on with life and be much, much more successful than you can ever be.


Quoted for emphasis.

I dunno abt mr howw but of coz we will move on with life...i'm nt gonma wait for jpa forever lol there's lots of opportunity out there. =) but we always voice out if sth wrong is happening... We dun jus complain without moving forward...we move forward and complain at the same time haha

[ayjiahui]

I dunno abt mr howw but of coz we will move on with life...i'm nt gonma wait for jpa forever lol there's lots of opportunity out there. =) but we always voice out if sth wrong is happening... We dun jus complain without moving forward...we move forward and complain at the same time haha

Good for you. From what I've noticed, not everyone is like this. Good luck with your future. Opportunities WILL open up when the time is right. :)

[scatcherer]

Precisely. And frankly, many of the 'top scorers' for SPM have this tendency to think that just because they study hard for SPM and get 9A+ or 10A+... it automatically makes them deserving of a scholarship. I mean seriously, it just shows that you are able to study. That's all.

You know, for many selection processes, a few key questions that is often asked by an admission panel is this: Why should I admit you? Why should I give you this scholarship? What makes you special?

If you're just good for studying and rote-learning or even if you just have a string of meaningless top positions with that 'academic success'... what good are you and why are you special? Why SHOULD they give you the scholarship? What can you offer the person who offers you a scholarship in the long run?

Let wee ka siong and the gov do the work and review the sholarships...and if thy fail....well u know tat thy hav to face it

[vseehua]

Precisely. And frankly, many of the 'top scorers' for SPM have this tendency to think that just because they study hard for SPM and get 9A+ or 10A+... it automatically makes them deserving of a scholarship. I mean seriously, it just shows that you are able to study. That's all.

You know, for many selection processes, a few key questions that is often asked by an admission panel is this: Why should I admit you? Why should I give you this scholarship? What makes you special?

If you're just good for studying and rote-learning or even if you just have a string of meaningless top positions with that 'academic success'... what good are you and why are you special? Why SHOULD they give you the scholarship? What can you offer the person who offers you a scholarship in the long run?It's just too bad that the syllabus taught us only how to do rote learning, and nothing else.

It's even more saddening to see some of the people who complained so loudly previously not bothering to do something to change the system for the sake of the future generations.

The cycle continues...

I dunno abt mr howw but of coz we will move on with life...i'm nt gonma wait for jpa forever lol there's lots of opportunity out there. =) but we always voice out if sth wrong is happening... We dun jus complain without moving forward...we move forward and complain at the same time hahaGood for you, for you are one of the gems in the sand.

[MrHoww]

I dunno abt mr howw but of coz we will move on with life...i'm nt gonma wait for jpa forever lol there's lots of opportunity out there. =) but we always voice out if sth wrong is happening... We dun jus complain without moving forward...we move forward and complain at the same time haha

I'm moving on to Matriculation right now. And I had appealed for JPA. Just hope for the best. My orientation starts next Monday... and the course shall commence on 30 May 2011.

My mother gave me some advice just now. Because I am moving on to Matriculation, I have to get JPA off my mind right now. I agreed with her, so I am complaining as flagrant as I can but at the meanwhile, I am conscious that the fact of course I'm not the best in Malaysia. Even if I'm the best of Malaysia, I may not be as competitive as foreign students. EVEN if I'm the best in the world, I may not be as holistically intelligent as extraterrestrial intelligence. There's a Chinese idiomatic expression:'一山还有比一山高' which literally implies that there are another pinnacles higher than your peaks.

Even if I'm reading this forum, my English is incomparable to others. There are writers out there more widely read than what I do. In fact, my reading record could be null if compared to some of you, although my mathematics and sciences are better than my languages, it is undeniable that it is not the best of all. I am nothing but a normal person. And I seconded your idea that there's no reason why the committee should grant me with this prestigious scholarship considering my incapability to manifest why I deserve it amongst the others.

Right now, I am grateful that the government reserves a place in Matriculation for me because obviously not all students are capable to secure a seat in this pre-u course. In one year time, when I am a fresh graduate, I have a easier path than others to secure a place in reputable public universities.

This is another opportunity knocking at my door, it may not be the most desirable choice but no chances can be let go.

Undeniably, my mother, vseehua and ayijiahui awaken me from my lofty dreams. The path beyond our vision is showered with rocks and mountains. And one of those mountains could be just a grain of sand. Only when your time runs out, you could realize which is the mountain and which is the sand. A reflective mind comes in handy at that moment. Malheureusement, God granted you with this ability only when death is your next step.

But I still have to clarify that I won't let go JPA. I am as stubborn as you might think. :rofl

[alice93]

I'm moving on to Matriculation right now. And I had appealed for JPA. Just hope for the best. My orientation starts next Monday... and the course shall commence on 30 May 2011.

My mother gave me some advice just now. Because I am moving on to Matriculation, I have to get JPA off my mind right now. I agreed with her, so I am complaining as flagrant as I can but at the meanwhile, I am conscious that the fact of course I'm not the best in Malaysia. Even if I'm the best of Malaysia, I may not be as competitive as foreign students. EVEN if I'm the best in the world, I may not be as holistically intelligent as extraterrestrial intelligence. There's a Chinese idiomatic expression:'一山还有比一山高' which literally implies that there are another pinnacles higher than your peaks.

Even if I'm reading this forum, my English is incomparable to others. There are writers out there more widely read than what I do. In fact, my reading record could be null if compared to some of you, although my mathematics and sciences are better than my languages, it is undeniable that it is not the best of all. I am nothing but a normal person. And I seconded your idea that there's no reason why the committee should grant me with this prestigious scholarship considering my incapability to manifest why I deserve it amongst the others.

Right now, I am grateful that the government reserves a place in Matriculation for me because obviously not all students are capable to secure a seat in this pre-u course. In one year time, when I am a fresh graduate, I have a easier path than others to secure a place in reputable public universities.

This is another opportunity knocking at my door, it may not be the most desirable choice but no chances can be let go.

Undeniably, my mother, vseehua and ayijiahui awaken me from my lofty dreams. The path beyond our vision is showered with rocks and mountains. And one of those mountains could be just a grain of sand. Only when your time runs out, you could realize which is the mountain and which is the sand. A reflective mind comes in handy at that moment. Malheureusement, God granted you with this ability only when death is your next step.

But I still have to clarify that I won't let go JPA. I am as stubborn as you might think. :rofl

don't give up, mr howw:)
stay positive:nod

[scatcherer]

don't give up, mr howw:)
stay positive:nod

That's the way.

[MrHoww]

don't give up, mr howw:)
stay positive:nod

Thank you alice93.. :) I'll not give up until they shout at me:'NO!!~'

[KenT13]

It's normal for a JPA applicant to grumble if he/she did not get the scholarship. I definitely belong to the group. But after a few days of deep thought, i realised JPA scholarship is really not everything or the end of the world. In the end, i accept the fact and i'm ready to work harder to strive in the future. You see, i take rejection as a motivation to drive me further. So, take rejection to motivate yourself. Well i'm not trying to stop you from appealing or to give up on JPA scholarship, just wanted to ask you to view failure in another way.

P/s: I don't really know if i'm on the right track with the talk because i did not read previous posts, just jumped in here and give some opinion. =P

[rong_rulez]

Thank you alice93.. :) I'll not give up until they shout at me:'NO!!~'
that's the spirit........i wish u good luck,MrHoww....
hope u will get want u want..........
do not give up....coz Every cloud has a silver lining....:amuse

[MrHoww]

It's normal for a JPA applicant to grumble if he/she did not get the scholarship. I definitely belong to the group. But after a few days of deep thought, i realised JPA scholarship is really not everything or the end of the world. In the end, i accept the fact and i'm ready to work harder to strive in the future. You see, i take rejection as a motivation to drive me further. So, take rejection to motivate yourself. Well i'm not trying to stop you from appealing or to give up on JPA scholarship, just wanted to ask you to view failure in another way.

P/s: I don't really know if i'm on the right track with the talk because i did not read previous posts, just jumped in here and give some opinion. =P

Let me update you:-
1) MrHoww grumbles and whining of not getting PILN, ayijiahui and vseehua gave some advice.
2) MrHoww accepted the fact that he is not the best, why does JPA necessarily grant him PILN? PIDN is enough... although I think granting a Diploma to me... is a little... unacceptable.

that's the spirit........i wish u good luck,MrHoww....
hope u will get want u want..........
do not give up....coz Every cloud has a silver lining....:amuse

Thank you very much. You are just as supportive as alice93. <3

[littlewheatgrass]

DPM Muyiddin assured scholars that he will get to the bottom of this matter

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/205302?tid=1

[ayjiahui]

I'm moving on to Matriculation right now. And I had appealed for JPA. Just hope for the best. My orientation starts next Monday... and the course shall commence on 30 May 2011.

My mother gave me some advice just now. Because I am moving on to Matriculation, I have to get JPA off my mind right now. I agreed with her, so I am complaining as flagrant as I can but at the meanwhile, I am conscious that the fact of course I'm not the best in Malaysia. Even if I'm the best of Malaysia, I may not be as competitive as foreign students. EVEN if I'm the best in the world, I may not be as holistically intelligent as extraterrestrial intelligence. There's a Chinese idiomatic expression:'一山还有比一山高' which literally implies that there are another pinnacles higher than your peaks.

Even if I'm reading this forum, my English is incomparable to others. There are writers out there more widely read than what I do. In fact, my reading record could be null if compared to some of you, although my mathematics and sciences are better than my languages, it is undeniable that it is not the best of all. I am nothing but a normal person. And I seconded your idea that there's no reason why the committee should grant me with this prestigious scholarship considering my incapability to manifest why I deserve it amongst the others.

Right now, I am grateful that the government reserves a place in Matriculation for me because obviously not all students are capable to secure a seat in this pre-u course. In one year time, when I am a fresh graduate, I have a easier path than others to secure a place in reputable public universities.

This is another opportunity knocking at my door, it may not be the most desirable choice but no chances can be let go.

Undeniably, my mother, vseehua and ayijiahui awaken me from my lofty dreams. The path beyond our vision is showered with rocks and mountains. And one of those mountains could be just a grain of sand. Only when your time runs out, you could realize which is the mountain and which is the sand. A reflective mind comes in handy at that moment. Malheureusement, God granted you with this ability only when death is your next step.

But I still have to clarify that I won't let go JPA. I am as stubborn as you might think. :rofl

I don't think your dreams are lofty. I like it that you have a fighting spirit because not everyone has your drive. Fight until you cannot fight anymore. Haha. If you have chosen this path then go in and make sure you do well. If you really desire to go abroad, look towards pursuing your Masters overseas. The options will be there, I promise you. Good luck and cheers to hoping you push yourself to the max. If you ever need advice again don't hesitate to ask! I can somewhat understand where you are coming from though my own rejection was for something entirely different. :)

Good luck and continue to fight (not just for JPA but for anything else in life)!

[Peasant]

Reading all the previous posts kinda inspired me to do well in matrikulasi. I was offered PIDN matrikulasi instead of the PILN scholarship that I want. Good luck everyone. The whole JPA scholarship application process is just a phase that will pass by in a blink.

[scatcherer]

Let me update you:-
1) MrHoww grumbles and whining of not getting PILN, ayijiahui and vseehua gave some advice.
2) MrHoww accepted the fact that he is not the best, why does JPA necessarily grant him PILN? PIDN is enough... although I think granting a Diploma to me... is a little... unacceptable.



Thank you very much. You are just as supportive as alice93. <3
MR howw... since thy say the appeal gonna out soon and france engineering students oni gonna enter in july something...how thy gonna know who rejected the offer???

[MrHoww]

MR howw... since thy say the appeal gonna out soon and france engineering students oni gonna enter in july something...how thy gonna know who rejected the offer???

Yesterday(20 May 2011) was the deadline where the successful applicants must accept the offer. So... If there were slots out there, then may be... you know.. :amuse

Reading all the previous posts kinda inspired me to do well in matrikulasi. I was offered PIDN matrikulasi instead of the PILN scholarship that I want. Good luck everyone. The whole JPA scholarship application process is just a phase that will pass by in a blink.

Yea, matriculation is a key to public universities. Considering that UPU prioritize Matriculation students than others, it is more accessible to reputable public universities. If you get 4.00 for CGPA with exceptional co-curriculum achievements, the chance is even higher than students obtaining 4.00 in their CGPA.

I don't think your dreams are lofty. I like it that you have a fighting spirit because not everyone has your drive. Fight until you cannot fight anymore. Haha. If you have chosen this path then go in and make sure you do well. If you really desire to go abroad, look towards pursuing your Masters overseas. The options will be there, I promise you. Good luck and cheers to hoping you push yourself to the max. If you ever need advice again don't hesitate to ask! I can somewhat understand where you are coming from though my own rejection was for something entirely different. :)

Good luck and continue to fight (not just for JPA but for anything else in life)!

Yes, that's what my parents told me. They said since public universities is more affordable than private institutions, they might have enough money to fund me for Master degree overseas. Kind of relieve and thanks to my parents who are willing to invest in my education after 22 years of selling Bah Kut Teh...:cry

DPM Muyiddin assured scholars that he will get to the bottom of this matter

http://www.sinchew.com.my/node/205302?tid=1

I wholeheartedly congratulate all the straight A+ students, a PILN place is guaranteed for you. Felicitation.

[scatcherer]

Yesterday(20 May 2011) was the deadline where the successful applicants must accept the offer. So... If there were slots out there, then may be... you know.. :amuse



Yea, matriculation is a key to public universities. Considering that UPU prioritize Matriculation students than others, it is more accessible to reputable public universities. If you get 4.00 for CGPA with exceptional co-curriculum achievements, the chance is even higher than students obtaining 4.00 in their CGPA.



Yes, that's what my parents told me. They said since public universities is more affordable than private institutions, they might have enough money to fund me for Master degree overseas. Kind of relieve and thanks to my parents who are willing to invest in my education after 22 years of selling Bah Kut Teh...:cry



I wholeheartedly congratulate all the straight A+ students, a PILN place is guaranteed for you. Felicitation.
if ur parents come kl sell bak kut teh i guarantee thy will b ricchh....KL ppl love bkt

[MrHoww]

if ur parents come kl sell bak kut teh i guarantee thy will b ricchh....KL ppl love bkt

But my parents are about to reach 60 already, they prefer staying at Bentong... :lol

[frostbyte13]

But my parents are about to reach 60 already, they prefer staying at Bentong... :lol

I think you seriously deserve something better with your family income level, MrHoww :) Hope your appeal goes fine too

[MrHoww]

I think you seriously deserve something better with your family income level, MrHoww :) Hope your appeal goes fine too

Well... I think there are more needy out there who requires more financial assistance... Since I am living in Kuantan, the expenses is not as meddlesome as those is urban areas.

I'm not playing the compassionate card, just converse like an usual discussion.

[rong_rulez]

Scholarships awarded based on country's needs'

2011/05/20

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KUALA LUMPUR: Public Service Department scholarships are awarded to Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia high achievers based on the manpower needs of the country.
PSD director-general Datuk Seri Abu Bakar, who said this yesterday, added that students and parents must understand that scholarships were given out to get qualified talents to serve the government in the required areas.

He said the types of scholarships offered were tailored to the requirements of the public service, other government agencies and the nation.


"The PSD's role is to plan for the human resource requirements of the country.

"We cannot be fulfilling the wishes of every student who gets 8A+ in the examinations as we have the nation's requirements to look into," he said.

"For example, many want to become doctors when we have limited places for training in hospitals."


He said that students who were unhappy with the type of scholarships they received could contact the PSD for an explanation.

He also said scholarships were awarded to students who fulfilled the necessary requirements.

The PSD recently came under fire following concerns raised by the MCA on Thursday that the selection criteria did not follow the cabinet directive emphasising merit.


MCA Youth chief Datuk Dr Wee Ka Siong had said some of the 363 full A+ students who should have received overseas scholarships did not get them while others were given matriculation or diploma scholarships when they deserved scholarships for degree courses of their choice.

Wee, who is also deputy education minister, had also said that the PSD has agreed to review the scholarship applications of top students.

The matter will also be brought up at the cabinet meeting next week.

Wanita MCA secretary-general Senator Chew Lee Giok said yesterday that PSD should provide clear guidelines on the selection criteria for transparency and to prevent unnecessary disputes.

It should also explain to unsuccessful applicants the reasons for the rejection of applications, she added.

She said PSD's selection committee should review the way in which scholarships were given out to check if there were abuses in the selection process and rectify any shortcomings.

MIC president Datuk G. Palanivel also expressed disappointment over PSD's scholarship selection process. In a statement yesterday, he said that many students with 8A+ and above were not awarded scholarships for courses they applied for while others were not awarded any.

He cited an example of a 12A+ student in Selangor who was offered a course for animal husbandry in a local university although he didn't apply for it.



Read more: 'Scholarships awarded based on country's needs' http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/6masy/Article/#ixzz1N1iEvkic
when i read this news,i wonder what is the connection between it and the result that some of staight a+ student did not get piln or even pidn??????
since i saw a lot of student with juz 5a+ managed to secured at least pidn or even piln.....hmmmmmmmmmmm...........:huh

[MrHoww]

when i read this news,i wonder what is the connection between it and the result that some of staight a+ student did not get piln or even pidn??????
since i saw a lot of student with juz 5a+ managed to secured at least pidn or even piln.....hmmmmmmmmmmm...........:huh

That's why they should follow the directives agreed by the Cabinet. Since they are randomly choosing the candidates.

[frostbyte13]

That's why they should follow the directives agreed by the Cabinet. Since they are randomly choosing the candidates.

it isn't random selection, i strongly doubt that. there is some meddling in the system, someone is pulling the strings to get these people into the program. or it's just the quota problem ? :huh

[memotjrjr]

Just be grateful of what we get. I applied for PILN and got PIDN instead. Just remember that to achieve our dreams is hard. there are many obstacles and not gaining scholarships that we desire is one of them. so, just enter foundation/matriks/pre u and apply for other scholarships where there are less competition. if you can score in spm, why not during the foundation/matriks/ pre u? im sure that you can. the more we fight for our dreams, the sweeter it will be.

many of my friends are not really sure what to do in their future. they have the scholarship but still haven't figure out what to do next. they are like "study first la" then think about what to do after graduation. what im saying is to do your soul searching. anything can happen in the future but you cannot stray far if you hold on tight to your dreams. Study things that you love and you won't complaint how hard is it. Work in the field that you love and you won't complaint how much money you earn. Work hard in the field that you love and it will pay you good.

So, for those who didn't get the PILN scholarship, don't be sad. think of it this way: be the best you can be no matter where you are. a true scholar can adapt anywhere without complaining. a true scholar can be successful anywhere. a true scholar can make the local universities to be more competitive. Show the world that malaysian universities can produce world class scholars.

[bubu24]

Just be grateful of what we get. I applied for PILN and got PIDN instead. Just remember that to achieve our dreams is hard. there are many obstacles and not gaining scholarships that we desire is one of them. so, just enter foundation/matriks/pre u and apply for other scholarships where there are less competition. if you can score in spm, why not during the foundation/matriks/ pre u? im sure that you can. the more we fight for our dreams, the sweeter it will be.

many of my friends are not really sure what to do in their future. they have the scholarship but still haven't figure out what to do next. they are like "study first la" then think about what to do after graduation. what im saying is to do your soul searching. anything can happen in the future but you cannot stray far if you hold on tight to your dreams. Study things that you love and you won't complaint how hard is it. Work in the field that you love and you won't complaint how much money you earn. Work hard in the field that you love and it will pay you good.

So, for those who didn't get the PILN scholarship, don't be sad. think of it this way: be the best you can be no matter where you are. a true scholar can adapt anywhere without complaining. a true scholar can be successful anywhere. a true scholar can make the local universities to be more competitive. Show the world that malaysian universities can produce world class scholars.

well said!!

[frostbyte13]

Just be grateful of what we get. I applied for PILN and got PIDN instead. Just remember that to achieve our dreams is hard. there are many obstacles and not gaining scholarships that we desire is one of them. so, just enter foundation/matriks/pre u and apply for other scholarships where there are less competition. if you can score in spm, why not during the foundation/matriks/ pre u? im sure that you can. the more we fight for our dreams, the sweeter it will be.

many of my friends are not really sure what to do in their future. they have the scholarship but still haven't figure out what to do next. they are like "study first la" then think about what to do after graduation. what im saying is to do your soul searching. anything can happen in the future but you cannot stray far if you hold on tight to your dreams. Study things that you love and you won't complaint how hard is it. Work in the field that you love and you won't complaint how much money you earn. Work hard in the field that you love and it will pay you good.

So, for those who didn't get the PILN scholarship, don't be sad. think of it this way: be the best you can be no matter where you are. a true scholar can adapt anywhere without complaining. a true scholar can be successful anywhere. a true scholar can make the local universities to be more competitive. Show the world that malaysian universities can produce world class scholars.

Problem is that most of us didn't get what we want to study, not even close to it or some, like in my case isn't exactly what I intend to study. At this point of time, don't mind getting PIDN. It's just that we are asking JPA to give us something that we will want to study. If not, forget it and we'll be back-packing for other opportunities, possibly outside this country.

[acgerlok7]

EXCUSEZ-MOI, the whole problem is that they are not sponsoring us until a DEGREE! I don't care they send me to overseas or local, but they suppose to grant us with scholarships funding us until a Bachelor Degree.

It is stated so damn clearly that upon my graduation of Diploma in Metallurgy Engineering, I have to work for the government. Let me clarify this again, I AM willing to serve for people if you sponsor me until a Bachelor Degree, but for Diploma.. What type of work I deserve? The helper of engineer to clean up his work??! :notrust

Fret not mr howw...where theres a way theres a will...i experienced the same thing and also my friends experience even worse than this...lol dude erm...mind pm me ur msn or smthing...wud lyk to make frens with you...some things are not convenient to be shared on forum.:)

[cloud93]

i heard that for piln, the cert they give is malaysia cert but not the country's cert?

[frostbyte13]

i heard that for piln, the cert they give is malaysia cert but not the country's cert?

just keep your post to one thread la, bro. every single active thread you also post :)

don't know, but then again, when you can study overseas i don't think it matters whether your cert is not the country's one or not. but most likely, it can't be a Malaysian cert unless you go there then come back and study again like Medicine

[cloud93]

but i have a friend's sister came back from australia with malaysia cert instead of cert from that uni

[ayjiahui]

but i have a friend's sister came back from australia with malaysia cert instead of cert from that uni

where did she go and for what course?

[frostbyte13]

but i have a friend's sister came back from australia with malaysia cert instead of cert from that uni

if Monash, then yeah, that's how certs are issued

[cloud93]

i dunno the specific place, only know its was not twinning. was a full course for australia.. any idea if this happens? or anyone who have been thru the whole jpa piln who have received their cert?

just keep your post to one thread la, bro. every single active thread you also post :)

don't know, but then again, when you can study overseas i don't think it matters whether your cert is not the country's one or not. but most likely, it can't be a Malaysian cert unless you go there then come back and study again like Medicine

sry about spamming in multiple thread

[josephineteo]

Today PM will discuss with PSD officer on the scholarship controversy. There are a few criteria I wish to highlight. The overseas scholarship should be given to the best scholars without quota base. Those who didn't secure a PILN , the government must guarantee them a local degree and the local college or whatever pre u ,A level or STPM of the scholars choice and continue to degree level. Obviously scholars must be able to meet the requirement of the college they choose when they enter for degree. Bond should be less than those oversea recipients and are free to work in private sector but within Malaysia. Right now even though I'm offered to MMU for engineering degree I intend to turn it down cos not the choice of college I want for local. And I'm also already finishing my 1st semester in A level it would be a waste to discontinue it.

[scatcherer]

Today PM will discuss with PSD officer on the scholarship controversy. There are a few criteria I wish to highlight. The overseas scholarship should be given to the best scholars without quota base. Those who didn't secure a PILN , the government must guarantee them a local degree and the local college or whatever pre u ,A level or STPM of the scholars choice and continue to degree level. Obviously scholars must be able to meet the requirement of the college they choose when they enter for degree. Bond should be less than those oversea recipients and are free to work in private sector but within Malaysia. Right now even though I'm offered to MMU for engineering degree I intend to turn it down cos not the choice of college I want for local. And I'm also already finishing my 1st semester in A level it would be a waste to discontinue it.

how many A+?

[josephineteo]

8A+ 1A for engineering

[frostbyte13]

8A+ 1A for engineering

Give my five girl :P Got MMU too, but for Finance (I wanted Economics). Too bad intend to dump it too because right now finished with 1st semester of A-level. I appealed, did you ?

[topchef2]

8A+ 1A for engineering

just average results but so demanding?

[josephineteo]

I may not be the straight A+ student but just belong to the miss '1A+' . And is just that I took 9 subject. The best is to calculate according to GPA grades. I am just the lucky one but I don't think I need that offer. To some this offer is good to them in terms of money but to me I need to see further. Upon graduation we may not be working to the field related to our studies so the 6 years bond is a waste .When in private you can get the experience you want. Engineerings are unlike medic or phar where they sure will go to the related field. Furthermore there's always loans available so why need to take JPA offer and get bonded. So what I think is not really demanding, and to those highlight I gave wouldn't it be easier if only top scorers gets overseas without quota based. Remaining of those can do locally and must serve in Malaysia be it with the government or private sector and with less bond period and this also can prevent brain drain. After all local college will not cost more than overseas. And to get entrance to established college we need to meet the requirement eg. Nottingham need 3.5 CPA whereas MMU 2.0 also can get entry. So if we want good college we must work hard in the pre u or foundation course. And A level or STPM or any other pre u is not as easy as SPM . There's no string of A+ [ no hanky panky] in this level.

Give my five girl :P Got MMU too, but for Finance (I wanted Economics). Too bad intend to dump it too because right now finished with 1st semester of A-level. I appealed, did you ?


Got appealed but won't think of the outcome. There are so many straight A+ also didn't get then the 10,9 A+ also same where we will get after all only 8A+. Moreover they will say I give till degree level and also the course u want so why complain. So is silly rite, just forget it la aim to do well in A level so I can get to the college I want.
If u think your family can manage your further studies problem, then continue to A level and work hard. My family gives me assurance there's no problem to further my studies in the college I prefer even though we are only middle class income people so I'll work hard and if I happen to get scholarship somewhere then is a bonus.

[littlewheatgrass]

Below are govt released statistics for PILN/PIDN result 2011 :-

No of applicants =16,990 ( all races)

No of eligible applicants = ( 2559 bumi) + (6298 non-bumi) Total 8857

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PILN offered to bumi = 726 ( Malay) + 77( Sabah bumi) + 79 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 882

PIDN offered to bumi = 1247 ( Malay) + 16 ( Sabah bumi) + 38 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 1301

Total no of bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 2183 out of 2559 eligible bumi applicants ( success rate 85%)

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PILN offered to non-bumi = 466 ( Chinese) + 137 (Indian) + 15 (others) Total 618

PIDN offered to non-bumi = 1086( Chinese) + 108 (indian) + 5 (others) Total 1199

Total no of non-bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 1817 out of 6298 eligible non-bumi applicants ( success rate = 28%)

[rong_rulez]

Below are govt released statistics for PILN/PIDN result 2011 :-

No of applicants =16,990 ( all races)

No of eligible applicants = ( 2559 bumi) + (6298 non-bumi) Total 8857

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PILN offered to bumi = 726 ( Malay) + 77( Sabah bumi) + 79 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 882

PIDN offered to bumi = 1247 ( Malay) + 16 ( Sabah bumi) + 38 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 1301

Total no of bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 2183 out of 2559 eligible bumi applicants ( success rate 85%)

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PILN offered to non-bumi = 466 ( Chinese) + 137 (Indian) + 15 (others) Total 618

PIDN offered to non-bumi = 1086( Chinese) + 108 (indian) + 5 (others) Total 1199

Total no of non-bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 1817 out of 6298 eligible non-bumi applicants ( success rate = 28%)

may i know where get this information?
the success rate of bumi is sure high.....it amazed me that so many chinese managed to secure pidn which the amount is almost the same with malay.....
but based on my opinion i think those chinese were mostly all 8a+ and above coz this is what our pm promised....all 8 a+ students get scholarships..i bet he didn't realise that there are a lot of chinese who score 8a+...therefore he had to give them pidn......i felt pity for the indian as their number is so much little....this is totally unfair....they should at least get more pidn......i think this is coz mic is not strong...they seldom fight back for their own rights...this has to change......non-bumis has to stand up for their own now and show our pm that without us this country is over.....

[lewis17]

Below are govt released statistics for PILN/PIDN result 2011 :-

No of applicants =16,990 ( all races)

No of eligible applicants = ( 2559 bumi) + (6298 non-bumi) Total 8857

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PILN offered to bumi = 726 ( Malay) + 77( Sabah bumi) + 79 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 882

PIDN offered to bumi = 1247 ( Malay) + 16 ( Sabah bumi) + 38 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 1301

Total no of bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 2183 out of 2559 eligible bumi applicants ( success rate 85%)

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PILN offered to non-bumi = 466 ( Chinese) + 137 (Indian) + 15 (others) Total 618

PIDN offered to non-bumi = 1086( Chinese) + 108 (indian) + 5 (others) Total 1199

Total no of non-bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 1817 out of 6298 eligible non-bumi applicants ( success rate = 28%)

please give the link. would highly appreciate it. thank u

[MrHoww]

Below are govt released statistics for PILN/PIDN result 2011 :-

No of applicants =16,990 ( all races)

No of eligible applicants = ( 2559 bumi) + (6298 non-bumi) Total 8857

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PILN offered to bumi = 726 ( Malay) + 77( Sabah bumi) + 79 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 882

PIDN offered to bumi = 1247 ( Malay) + 16 ( Sabah bumi) + 38 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 1301

Total no of bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 2183 out of 2559 eligible bumi applicants ( success rate 85%)

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PILN offered to non-bumi = 466 ( Chinese) + 137 (Indian) + 15 (others) Total 618

PIDN offered to non-bumi = 1086( Chinese) + 108 (indian) + 5 (others) Total 1199

Total no of non-bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 1817 out of 6298 eligible non-bumi applicants ( success rate = 28%)
85% for bumi, and 28% for non-bumi. Although helping the weaker group is essential for the integrated development of a nation. However, as I stressed before, a limit is needed. There are weaker subgroups in strong group too, and they need the assistance just like the weaker group does. Their commitment to help bumi is understandable and highly consented, but they shouldn't restrict the weaker subgroup in non-bumi to march forward. A successful nation wouldn't waste any talent, even a shoplifter, because everyone has their own way to contribute to the nation where they really belong to.

[frostbyte13]

I may not be the straight A+ student but just belong to the miss '1A+' . And is just that I took 9 subject. The best is to calculate according to GPA grades. I am just the lucky one but I don't think I need that offer. To some this offer is good to them in terms of money but to me I need to see further. Upon graduation we may not be working to the field related to our studies so the 6 years bond is a waste .When in private you can get the experience you want. Engineerings are unlike medic or phar where they sure will go to the related field. Furthermore there's always loans available so why need to take JPA offer and get bonded. So what I think is not really demanding, and to those highlight I gave wouldn't it be easier if only top scorers gets overseas without quota based. Remaining of those can do locally and must serve in Malaysia be it with the government or private sector and with less bond period and this also can prevent brain drain. After all local college will not cost more than overseas. And to get entrance to established college we need to meet the requirement eg. Nottingham need 3.5 CPA whereas MMU 2.0 also can get entry. So if we want good college we must work hard in the pre u or foundation course. And A level or STPM or any other pre u is not as easy as SPM . There's no string of A+ [ no hanky panky] in this level.




Got appealed but won't think of the outcome. There are so many straight A+ also didn't get then the 10,9 A+ also same where we will get after all only 8A+. Moreover they will say I give till degree level and also the course u want so why complain. So is silly rite, just forget it la aim to do well in A level so I can get to the college I want.
If u think your family can manage your further studies problem, then continue to A level and work hard. My family gives me assurance there's no problem to further my studies in the college I prefer even though we are only middle class income people so I'll work hard and if I happen to get scholarship somewhere then is a bonus.

Where are you taking your A-level ? is it under Cambridge ?

[littlewheatgrass]

please give the link. would highly appreciate it. thank u

http://www.nst.com.my/nst/articles/Sortitout_Nazritold/Article/

[josephineteo]

Where are you taking your A-level ? is it under Cambridge ?

It's cambridge A level and in inti nilai

[scatcherer]

'nice job' najib.....nice.....for years the racial quota is there.......hmmmmm next ge how

[littlewheatgrass]

'nice job' najib.....nice.....for years the racial quota is there.......hmmmmm next ge how

If the scholars selecting is done strictly based on meritocracy ACROSS THE BOARD, the civil service will be run & controlled by non-bumi top dogs someday. Then those less capable bumi without the strong support from civil service & Govt-linked companies, will be assigned with junior positions or left sleeping on the street. The way i see it.......this will create further social disharmony.

[frostbyte13]

It's cambridge A level and in inti nilai

Oh I'm doing mine in KDU :) Nice to meet you then

If the scholars selecting is done strictly based on meritocracy ACROSS THE BOARD, the civil service will be run & controlled by non-bumi top dogs someday. Then those less capable bumi without the strong support from civil service & Govt-linked companies, will be assigned with junior positions or left sleeping on the street. The way i see it.......this will create further social disharmony.

There is growing concern among the educated Malays that they are fearful this continuous spoon feeding is making the Malays even more lazy and weak. They believe in the need to wake their kind up, stir up competition and to not give the same excuse over and over again. Besides, there are just as many Bumis who have been selected based on meritocratic purposes, just not as many as those for the quota purpose. This is truth the way I see it. My teacher taught me a philosophy, that complacency (in this case, the mentality that everything is guaranteed) only leads to failure and she proves it to me with visual examples. Something seriously needs to be done about this. If continue to let this happen every year, there goes brain drain, incompetence in civil services and our economic valor.

[scatcherer]

If the scholars selecting is done strictly based on meritocracy ACROSS THE BOARD, the civil service will be run & controlled by non-bumi top dogs someday. Then those less capable bumi without the strong support from civil service & Govt-linked companies, will be assigned with junior positions or left sleeping on the street. The way i see it.......this will create further social disharmony.

while other country prosper with meritocracy but our country instead will turn out into social disharmony....i wonder if we'll ever move forward.

[scatcherer]

i gt a letter from gerakan saying gov will consider my appeal hmmmm....

[Garfield93]

KUALA LUMPUR: The Cabinet will announce the decision on the appeals by 86 Public Service Department (PSD) scholarship applicants who had failed to get places to study overseas today.
Minister in the Prime Minister’s Department Datuk Seri Nazri Aziz (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20Seri%20Nazri%20Aziz) said the appeals were in addition to the 1,500 places offered to applicants wanting to study overseas.
“We agreed on the appeals but this can only be decided by the Cabinet,” he told reporters after a meeting with representatives from Barisan Nasional component parties over the matter yesterday.
Also at the meeting were MCA deputy president Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20Seri%20Liow%20Tiong%20Lai), MIC vice-president Datuk S.K. Devamany (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20S.K.%20Devamany), Gerakan vice-president Datuk Mah Siew Keong (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20Mah%20Siew%20Keong) and LDP president Datuk V.K. Liew (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20V.K.%20Liew).
Nazri, Liow and MIC deputy president Datuk Dr S. Subramaniam (http://archives.thestar.com.my/search/?q=Datuk%20Dr%20S.%20Subramaniam) will submit an appeal to the Cabinet today on behalf of the 86 students who had scored 9A+ or better in their SPM examinations.
Another request was also made for 67 9A+ and 103 8A+ scorers who had been offered diploma courses to be given places in matriculation programmes.
“I have received a guarantee from the PSD that this would be possible, but it will have to be discussed with the Education Ministry because the decision on what is offered to students is under its purview.”
Nazri said disputes over how PSD scholarships were awarded this year arose from confusion among applicants who did not understand the selection process.




http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2011/6/1/nation/8814655&sec=nation

[bush26]

Below are govt released statistics for PILN/PIDN result 2011 :-

No of applicants =16,990 ( all races)

No of eligible applicants = ( 2559 bumi) + (6298 non-bumi) Total 8857

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PILN offered to bumi = 726 ( Malay) + 77( Sabah bumi) + 79 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 882

PIDN offered to bumi = 1247 ( Malay) + 16 ( Sabah bumi) + 38 ( Sarawak bumi) Total 1301

Total no of bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 2183 out of 2559 eligible bumi applicants ( success rate 85%)

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PILN offered to non-bumi = 466 ( Chinese) + 137 (Indian) + 15 (others) Total 618

PIDN offered to non-bumi = 1086( Chinese) + 108 (indian) + 5 (others) Total 1199

Total no of non-bumi offered PILN/PIDN = 1817 out of 6298 eligible non-bumi applicants ( success rate = 28%)


BN boleh !!! the earth is fair unless you are the people =)

just average results but so demanding?

oh top chef, please shut up, there are more duku langsats out there with 5A+ getting UK /US or Canada or Aussie alright, so please don't overlook at 8A+ as it is better than 5A+ alright? =) life is unfair. Yea miss 8A+ and 1 A, good job for continuing your a levels, it does not matter if you got JPA or not, what it matters is yourself in the near future =).

[vseehua]

oh top chef, please shut up, there are more duku langsats ...
You are hereby reminded to keep your conduct civil in ReCom. Consider this your first warning.

[weixiang]

If the scholars selecting is done strictly based on meritocracy ACROSS THE BOARD, the civil service will be run & controlled by non-bumi top dogs someday. Then those less capable bumi without the strong support from civil service & Govt-linked companies, will be assigned with junior positions or left sleeping on the street. The way i see it.......this will create further social disharmony.

Yup, i agree with you that this may create 'social disharmony' as definitely this issue would be exploited to the max by Ibrahim Ali and other like-minded people. However, i believe that it would serve as a good wake-up call. The rakyat need to be reminded that after almost 54 years of nationhood, we should stop depending on crutches anymore.

While it is an indisputable fact that the Bumis are socially- and economically-handicapped during our early years of Merdeka, right now some of them have become very successful. They become the captains of the industry, great lawyers and doctors, respectable academician etc. Unfortunately, at the same time, there are some who refuse to change for better.

They continue to live under the illusion that since they're the 'penduduk asal' and the majority, the government should serve them only. They should be given special preference in everything although they hardly meet the minimum requirement required. The best example right now would be the PSD scholarship issue.

For me, implementing meritocracy is like implementing minimum wage policy. Increment in wage would result in increment in costs. With same revenue (Read: workers' productivity), profit would be reduced. Any fair-minded employer would find way to cut cost. And the typical way is by cutting down the number of workers. The most productive workers get to stay while those less productive would become officially unemployed.

Although this may not be a politically-wise decision, but in the long run, it would benefit Malaysia greatly. The world is fast changing to become a single entity through globalisation. Unless we embrace those changes, then Vision 2020 (Malaysia achieves the developed nation status) may be another case of 'so near, yet so far'.

[vseehua]

Taking the cut-cost analogy a bit further, the most successful companies on the face of Earth didn't do it solely by reducing costs. They train up their employees, leading them to be the best of the best. They also retain their best talents by giving them non-monetary benefits like well-being facilities, nurseries for children, more off time, more self-improvement time (Google's one day to do own project policy).

If we can do even half of the measures that these companies employ, we would already be a lot more advanced by now, bumi or not.

What I am saying is, instead of retrenching all the workers, retrench only the most incompetent ones. Downsize to a good, balanced number, and then train them to be the best of the best. Let the government be a role model for the private sector in Malaysia (which, by the way, are some of the stingiest employers I've ever seen), to show them that there are other ways to get better profitability.

(I've just used three paragraphs to say that we should do away with the current affirmative policy, and replace it with a system that actually helps people to grow)

[scatcherer]

they are stubborn as rock....what to do.