Doctor's Salary ~ local and overseas

[SHuLy]

Since there was a topic on how much fresh graduates are earning, i thought that i might put up something similar here.

Anyone has information about this:
How much is it for a local doctor working with the government? How much is UK hospitals paying their docs (private and govt.)?

[byzhanii_bogn]

my cousin in law earn less than 4000 a month. he's working in penang and doing master in UKM. he and my cousin are actually trying so hard to make ends meet. so don't expect working as a doctor would actually turn u into a milionaire. how many doctors have u come across that actually drives a merz?

working as a doctor in uk is pretty much the same. if i'm not mistaken, my cousin in law told me that doctors in uk earns even less than in malaysia (figure wise) so, if u work in uk and live there, u won't live rich either. it's pretty impossible to workl in uk and live here. so, again, don't dream of becoming rich if u want to be a doctor.

in the US, medical field is considered a research field. so, it's possible that u'llbecome a millionaire, and that also means that u're at risk of being caught if u researched something that's too dangerous in the eye of pentagon. if u open a clinic urself, u'll end up pretty much the same like ure' here. unless, u could actually make it to become the head of the surgery association or sth similar. other than that. stop dreaming, again

[deaf-knee]

just my two cents.

(you may ignore this since I've just woken up and am in a cranky and worried state)

when it is not wrong that being frank is the way to go when one wants people to sit up and take note and get their point, I believe that one should really try to do it in the politest way possible.

that's all.

have a nice day. :)

[byzhanii_bogn]

just my two cents.

(you may ignore this since I've just woken up and am in a cranky and worried state)

when it is not wrong that being frank is the way to go when one wants people to sit up and take note and get their point, I believe that one should really try to do it in the politest way possible.

that's all.

have a nice day. :)

oh Thank YOU. perhaps you didn't see something in the atmosphere since you just woke up. the least that one should get during his worried state himself is at least some GRATITUDE for the information given, or better still NONE. sarcasm is indeed as sharp as the samurai, for your INFORMATION, and being unpolite is in fact, nothing to do with being polite.

g'day to all

[SHuLy]

i wonder what made you think this topic is all about getting rich (or not) as a doc.

perhaps you are an unsatisfied medical student who was forced into the medical field by your parents or you simply have a hatred towards everyone in the medical line, irrespective of their motives of being a doctor.

[pandaboy]

One of my old friends told me her brother worked in UK as a doctor after graduating and he almost earned back what he paid when he studied in IMU (twinning with a uni in the UK) after just 2 years.

I don't know how much he's earning though.

[byzhanii_bogn]

SHuly, nope, i'm not unsatisfied that i'm ending up a doctor someday. just that i feel it's a bit out when people ask how much doctors earn. since u mentioned its a commitment of a lifetime, why would u still care how much u earn? if u care how much a doctor earns, that means he's not sincere in becoming a doctor. i just read in the paper the other day that asians seem to have the perspective that becoming a doctor means becoming rich, and guess what, i just disagree with that, totally

pandaboy, it's true that if u work in the UK, u might earn back how much u put into it when u study medcine, because 1 pound is like nearly 7 bucks. my friends brother struggled and got Medicine in Melbourne, without JPA, and he's expected to spend about 2 mill, which is impossible to earn back ,according to his parents. since ur friend's brother doing twinning, he might not have spend that much.

and erm, sorry if i sounded REALLY umpolite before :lol: (the nervous smile)

[SHuLy]

i think that doctors or doctors-to-be should know how much a doctor earns. To know the salary of a doctor does not mean that you are money minded, but merely not being ignorant towards everything that encapsulate the profession. you should be aware about the current salary of a doctor. and thus perhaps get you a picture of how much a doc earns and not be disillutioned by it, When you come out into the working world, you won?t be ?ditindas? by any parties. It?s all about awareness?.

Some here speak in authoritative tones but their words are not based on fact, rather anecdote.
A few facts which are true (at the very least):
1. The British NHS is shit. However the Malaysian Ministry of Health is worse, in very broad terms.
2. Basic pay of JUNIOR doctors in the NHS is poor. However at the moment a banding system is in place, where according to the number of excess hours worked a multiplier is applied to the basic salary (negotiated by the British Medical Association - I wonder what our own MMA is doing to protect its flock). You can thus be worked like a dog but have your salary multiplied by 100%. This will eventually change with the implementation of the European Working Time Directive.
3. Whether you can make your million or not depends on which specialty you go into, and where. A UK consultant I know has a sports car and has bought his daughter a horse - he is a colorectal surgeon, and I don't think he heads the British Society of Colorectal Surgery. (A learned society is just that - as far as I know, its officers do not get remunerated.) A consultant radiologist makes much less. This is because of the opportunities for private practice. The basic pay for UK consultants is the same. The same applies to Malaysia, except for the fact that private practice is very much limited for those working in the state sector.
4. Perhaps it would be more important to bear in mind the purchasing power of your salary, and the quality of life you are going to get. The UK tax rate is about 33% (to fund the damn welfare state). Personally, I would say that a private practitioner in Malaysia would have a much better QoL than his equivalent in the UK.
5. Research is important in medicine in developed and advanced developing countries. In the UK, as in America and Singapore, to name a few countries, your career prospects hinge, among others, on how much research you've done and how many papers you've published. As for the bit about the Pentagon, which planet are you on? And really, why shouldn't research be important? After all, much of the progress made in medicine is dependent on translational research, among other types of research activity. I know lots of doctors here who are not academics i.e. work for the NHS full-time, but do research. By the way - academia (meaning research) is an almost sure-fire way to NOT make your million! Take a look at any medical academic near you - how rich are they compared to their non-academic colleagues? Unless, of course, you're the next Jonas Salk - and even then, the University and Funding Body will want a cut of the income generated!
6. Depending on where you do your post-graduate training, the path to consultancy is either long... or very long. It might be shorter in Malaysia, but one wonders what the educational quality of post-graduate training is there. Someone in some other thread mentioned about training in paediatrics in the UK - sorry to disappoint you babe, but at the moment entry into paediatric training just got tougher as the the Workforce Advisory Group of the NHS has just cut the number of training posts for paediatrics due to an enormous bottleneck and an excess of consutants in the near future. However, don't be disheartened, if you are good enough you will be good enough to get in, and things may well have changed by the time you reach that stage.
Moving on to things less factual, why should it be wrong to find out what your prospects (both generally and income-wise) are? Being a good doctor and wanting a good standard of life are not mutually exclusive. I know there are sacrifices to be made (heck, you'll be making some of those at clinical student level - albeit very small ones!) because medicine is a hard mistress, but surely I'm entitled to a reasonable standard of living? (And that means a reasonable salary for a reasonable number of hours worked, dammit!) Let's be honest here, does enduring rough working conditions make you a better doctor? Or does it just go with the popular image of doctors? Have a think. (By the way, top tip: doing your homework before making statements never did anyone any harm.)
Shuly, if you do a search on Google you can get the pay scales for NHS doctors of all grades (all hail the God of Google). The tables may be available on the BMA website too. I've seen a copy recently, but I can't remember the URL of the site it was on. A similar table for Malaysian civil servants is also available on-line somewhere (I think it's the JPA website, I last took a look at it a year or two ago). Speaking of penindasan, you'd be surprised at how much oppression of the workforce still occurs, but you are right in wanting to find things out. Pro-activeness is a trait I look upon very highly!
May I suggest you take a look at some of these resources on the Web if you're interested in finding out more about a UK medical career:
www.bmjcareers.com
www.bma.org.uk
www.londondeanery.ac.uk (for specialty info, among other things)
Best of luck in getting places at the universities of your choice, and for a great career ahead.

I would like to remain anonymous on this forum, but I qualify what I've said above by stating that I am a senior medical student with research experience, who has taken the trouble to find out what the future holds for me in terms of career.

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[skyguy]

Well i dont see anyone here mentioning the exact salary of doctors in goverment and private earning here. Can anyone provide it here?

You can't put figures on 'private earnings'. Go to the JPA website for the SALARY SCALES (note not a single figure, but a scale hence to long and complex to post, plus it's a PDF file). A Google search for gaji and sistem saraan malaysia should do it directly. Heavens, after being taught to fish you still expect to be fed?

hmm...i'm wondering who started this thread? are you a medic? haha. well, i don't know for sure how much a doc in m'sia earns but i do know that when you start as a HO, you're paid peanuts, then after a few years, you're still paid peanuts, and after even more years, you're still earning peanuts unless you go to the private sector. haha. a government servant in m'sia earns very little. so if you want more money, then run away and go work elsewhere. erk. one question though: people become docs to earn money or to help people?

I wonder why most people think that helping people by working in medicine, and having a reasonable standard of life (and pay) are mutually exclusive. Would you like to go back to the days when everyone worked a 1 in 2 on-call rota (actually, that may still be happening in Malaysia), hardly left the hospital and had to get their consultant's permission to get married, while being paid a pittance for the privilege? Thought not.

[Patrick]

For a freshie in Malaysia, the basic salary is around RM 1900, and with allowances and stuff, he/she should get around 2.3k -2.5k.

Guys, if you think that you can become rich by becoming a doctor, don't think.

What you should be prepared for :
1. Long hours
2. Pay just enough to live normally
3. Disgusting patients

So, think twice guys....everyone wants medicine medicine medicine, but in the end, they'll end up as drop outs.

[youngyew]

I wonder why most people think that helping people by working in medicine, and having a reasonable standard of life (and pay) are mutually exclusive. Would you like to go back to the days when everyone worked a 1 in 2 on-call rota (actually, that may still be happening in Malaysia), hardly left the hospital and had to get their consultant's permission to get married, while being paid a pittance for the privilege? Thought not.
Yeah, totally agree. Why does it have to be mutually exclusive? Why do people have problem with a doctor shouting out: "I want to help people but earn money, be looked up upon and gain social status at the same time!"??

Well, I wouldn't put it quite as bluntly as craving social status and prestige (I just want a decent living, after all I don't claim that doctors are more important than dustmen), but finally, someone clever enough to rise above the common perception of what the medical profession should be like!
To Patrick: the government salary scale allows for an annual increment unless you're really lousy in doing your job, so 1.9K (if accurate, I can't remember the figures off the top of my head) will likely be for your first year of service only. By the way, what proof have you got that lots of people drop out? I know some do, but to imply that a lot do is, in my view, rather misleading. As for the remark about 'disgusting patients': I hope you didn't really mean that in the way I read it - I've never seen less respect for patient dignity! (Are you thinking of going into medicine, by the way?) And really, medicine is a broad church, so if dealing with patients isn't your thing, there are always specialties like pathology and radiology, where patient contact is minimal, if non-existent.

i remember an article saying that those pimple-face mcd workers get more than doctors if we compare the hardwork and long hours. so why people still want to become doctors? come on people, move on, you can't become rich as doctors!! and don't be too upset over the disgusting remark. i think patrick is just expressing his view. cool man. but i do agree that docs should have respect for patients.

[Patrick]

Well, I wouldn't put it quite as bluntly as craving social status and prestige (I just want a decent living, after all I don't claim that doctors are more important than dustmen), but finally, someone clever enough to rise above the common perception of what the medical profession should be like!
To Patrick: the government salary scale allows for an annual increment unless you're really lousy in doing your job, so 1.9K (if accurate, I can't remember the figures off the top of my head) will likely be for your first year of service only. By the way, what proof have you got that lots of people drop out? I know some do, but to imply that a lot do is, in my view, rather misleading. As for the remark about 'disgusting patients': I hope you didn't really mean that in the way I read it - I've never seen less respect for patient dignity! (Are you thinking of going into medicine, by the way?) And really, medicine is a broad church, so if dealing with patients isn't your thing, there are always specialties like pathology and radiology, where patient contact is minimal, if non-existent.

Yes, I want to study medicine. And, I'm used to going to hospitals..so, I do know the looks of patients in orthopaedic clinics too. You HAVE to get used to this kinda sight, or else, you'll puke and won't even have the guts to treat the patient.

Oh yea, about the disgusting patients thing, sorry. I didn't have any other word to describe it, serious!

About the drop outs, those people are usually the ones who perceive that doctors earn A LOT of money EASILY. They have no idea about what the medical line is all about.

Oh yea, and being a doctor means you're at risk of contracting diseases too. I agree that there are preventive measures such as wearing masks, gloves, and washing hands regularly, but luck sometimes won't be on our side. Remember a doctor got SARS when he was treating a patient?

Ok, scared? This is the truth! I'm not lying! 8O

[SHuLy]

hmm...i'm wondering who started this thread? are you a medic? haha. well, i don't know for sure how much a doc in m'sia earns but i do know that when you start as a HO, you're paid peanuts, then after a few years, you're still paid peanuts, and after even more years, you're still earning peanuts unless you go to the private sector. haha. a government servant in m'sia earns very little. so if you want more money, then run away and go work elsewhere. erk. one question though: people become docs to earn money or to help people?

hi. i started this thread hoping to know more about the salary. i am not a medic student-yet. :D but i am an aspiring medic student.

i remember an article saying that those pimple-face mcd workers get more than doctors if we compare the hardwork and long hours. so why people still want to become doctors? come on people, move on, you can't become rich as doctors!! and don't be too upset over the disgusting remark. i think patrick is just expressing his view. cool man. but i do agree that docs should have respect for patients.

seems as though you are pretty mad at people wanting to become doctors, generalizing them as money-seekers! why people still want to become doctors? because the LIKE the profession. perhaps they like what they are doing and do have a sincere passion of studying medicine, and practising it.

"disgusting patients": what do you mean by 'disgusting'? is it their wounds? the sight of them? or rather just patients who are 'difficult to handle (that's how i would phrase)' due to their attitude?

i'm actually more "disgusted" by the medical personnels/supporting staff in the medical line...this is speaking about local healthcare since i have not been to a hospital outside the country.

[Patrick]

Disgusting...

Have you seen people who got involved in road accidents before?

Bones sticking out here and there, blood oozing out of their veins, flesh torn like a piece of ripped cloth, dislodged jaws, dislocated hands and feet?

[SHuLy]

No, i must say i have not seen freak accident cases in the hospital.
there were none when i did my attachments.
but i can imagine how they'll look like... 8O

[Patrick]

No, i must say i have not seen freak accident cases in the hospital.
there were none when i did my attachments.
but i can imagine how they'll look like... 8O

Whoopsie, I shouldn't have said that. Ah, don't even bother about my post, if you want to become a doctor, just go for it.
You'll get used to it. :P

[SHuLy]

shouldn't have said that? i think it is quite normal. i've been to the OT, but it was a normal case. no severe body mutilations. hehe. but this i think this discussion is diverting from the topic..

:)

Not exactly true that you can't become rich as a doctor. It is true when you're a junior doc, but once you move up the ranks you can earn enough to live comfortably (and, depending on your specialty if you go into private practice, more than comfortably. Interestingly some GPs in the UK earn much more than some hospital consultants). Depending on where you work (sadly not Malaysia), junior docs also make enough to live a decent life.
A consultant neurosurgeon in one of the teaching hospitals I've worked in owns a ?700000 country house with a huge garden. If that isn't a sign of a comfortable life I don't know what is.
To malaysianinrussia: I'm all for free speech, but I also think that a certain degree of professionalism is important in budding doctors. I'm glad to hear that Patrick didn't mean it literally.

Going off on a tangent, it is quite hard to be sure that you want to do medicine at the age of 17. A lot of people just don't have the life experience and maturity at that age. I personally thought that medicine was quite an interesting profession, but really only chose it by excluding every other possible choice. I did do some work shadowing placements at my local hospitals and some volunteer work as well though. Many years on from my initial decision I'm loving it (not the stress though) and feel that I've definitely made the right choice. It's also quite heartening when doctors and patients tell you that too:)

By the way if anyone has any queries about medicine I will be more than happy to help, God knows we don't need any more 17 year-olds spouting misleading nonsense on this board, however many A1s they may have.

[Patrick]

Not exactly true that you can't become rich as a doctor. It is true when you're a junior doc, but once you move up the ranks you can earn enough to live comfortably (and, depending on your specialty if you go into private practice, more than comfortably. Interestingly some GPs in the UK earn much more than some hospital consultants). Depending on where you work (sadly not Malaysia), junior docs also make enough to live a decent life.
A consultant neurosurgeon in one of the teaching hospitals I've worked in owns a ?700000 country house with a huge garden. If that isn't a sign of a comfortable life I don't know what is.
To malaysianinrussia: I'm all for free speech, but I also think that a certain degree of professionalism is important in budding doctors. I'm glad to hear that Patrick didn't mean it literally.

Going off on a tangent, it is quite hard to be sure that you want to do medicine at the age of 17. A lot of people just don't have the life experience and maturity at that age. I personally thought that medicine was quite an interesting profession, but really only chose it by excluding every other possible choice. I did do some work shadowing placements at my local hospitals and some volunteer work as well though. Many years on from my initial decision I'm loving it (not the stress though) and feel that I've definitely made the right choice. It's also quite heartening when doctors and patients tell you that too:)

By the way if anyone has any queries about medicine I will be more than happy to help, God knows we don't need any more 17 year-olds spouting misleading nonsense on this board, however many A1s they may have.

Hey Guest, what you're posting here is kinda interesting, can you post more about your life being a student/doctor?

[SHuLy]

hmm..well, i chose this course by elimination of other professions too a few years ago when i decision had to be made. and up till today, although i do not know if that decision is right (since i am not yet a medic student or practitioner) i would still make the same choice.

Patrick - that's a very broad question, albeit one asked very frequently! What exactly do you want to know?
(A very cynical answer would be: 'Life? What life?' :) but that's not true at all!)

[Tralon]

Hey, hope i'm not intruding...well, think of it this way, u wanna have a job OR a career? If yr aim is just 2 get a job, any jobs would do..The sky is the limit if u r good at it..BUT, if career is yr main purpose, i guess medicine is not such a bad career..At the end of d day, treating d patients, comforting them pays a LOT MORE than just money wise..D word SATISFACTION comes into mind..

If ur just thinking merely in salary numbers...Medicine can or might b disappointing for some...

[Tralon]

Disgusting...

Have you seen people who got involved in road accidents before?

Bones sticking out here and there, blood oozing out of their veins, flesh torn like a piece of ripped cloth, dislodged jaws, dislocated hands and feet?


Try first year of Anatomy..You'll see and dissect cadavers.Not 2 mention, explaining to yr examiners the intricacies and detail map of human vessels and organs while the formalin vapours along with the cadaveric smell, linger thru all yr clothes for a couple of days...Humm...how about 2nd year, Forensic, blood still oozing out, snipping away organs and explaining it to yr profs, while d blood is dripping and might soil yr shoes too.. :D

I dont want 2 go on about d clinical years..haha

[Patrick]

Patrick - that's a very broad question, albeit one asked very frequently! What exactly do you want to know?
(A very cynical answer would be: 'Life? What life?' :) but that's not true at all!)

May I know whether you're a student or a working doctor now?
Where did you graduate from/ Where are you studying?
Mmmm...how's the 1st year of ur life as a med student?

To answer your questions:
I qualify next year.
The UK.
1st year... hmm... spent meeting some really cool people, finding my way around the system, relishing the freedom (both academic and personal) which you hardly get in Malaysia, academically: lots of sleeping in lectures, teaching myself pre-clinical medicine, studying 1-2 months before the exams and panicking... ah, memories...

[SHuLy]

a little off topic, but i do not know how to reach 'guest' otherwise.
wanna ask your opinion (and everyone elses too) on UK's Problem Based Learning..and System Based Learning. Any opinion on which is better for someone who doesn't know which suite him/her better?

Shuly,
Depends what your learning style is really.
I personally didn't like PBL (we had a largely didactic course where I did preclinicals, with a few PBL sessions thrown in - probably because it's the current trend in med ed). This is partly due to me just liking to be force-fed stuff:) and partly due to the fact that the volume of information to be learnt is so great already, it just made assimilating the info much easier when it was given to you. N.B. Lectures don't cover everything - you will still need to do extra reading. Having said that some people learn better and find that the info sticks with them longer when they have to research a problem - they also claim it helps their problem-solving skills (can't speak as to the veracity of that statement). PBL was initially developed for a graduate medical course in Canada where all the students are more mature and have at least a first degree - it doesn't always work so well with 18 year-olds, especially since most PBL schools use a group method, thus making acheivement of objectives highly dependent on who is in your group. There are mixed views on it really. Interestingly, some people refer to PBL as FOFO (fuck off and find out) :).
Systems-based learning - I presume you want a comparison to the old style of learning preclinical medicine by discipline i.e. Anatomy, Biochemistry etc. It's not exactly diametrically opposite to PBL; they are not mutually exclusive. We had a bit of a mix when I did preclinicals, with Anatomy being taught separately, and Physiology and Pharmacology being taught in a systems-based manner. I personally feel it's more sensible learning things by system, but again it's all up to personal preference. You have to cover the same stuff anyway. In the UK only Oxbridge and St. Andrews use the disciplinary approach now.
You might like to start a new thread if you want to continue the discussion.
Where are you headed for your undergraduate training?

[Avninva]

hey i am a not-so-exposed and not-yet-matured-enough-to-decide student who has an ambition to do medicine.

my personal opinion is that how much you are being payed as aa doctor shouldn't be such a big issue if you are sincere about the career. I also agree with the fact that it is important to know how much we are going to be paid because everyone is materialistic in a way. many doctors who are working in the government hospitals (talking about the REAL, wanting to help people docs) are not very happy with their salary. hopefully the government does something about it in the future. Not to be greedy, but at least by the time i graduate.

I think everyday if i'm making the right choice to become a doctor. there are like so many doubts that I have. especially about the challenges that I will have to face someday. whether i will be able to cope or not as I haven't gained enough exposure yet to the outside world. I have deep interest in Biology and therefore I'm only left with options like med, dentistry, biotech, biomedical sience etc. sometimes it feels like I'm taking a risk. But at the end of the day I think that everybody wants to enjoy their life in one way or the other, as long as you are happy with your career and ENJOY every part of it, even if you have to work extra hours, what else should one ask for? yes, i'm not an angel i admit. i do hope that the government does something to increase the salary of MO's and trainers.

i've got a question. is it possible to get a medical degree, and later instead of specialising in medicine itself, branch out into some other field like biotech or similiar courses?

Avninva - absolutely. There are doctors who do not practise clinical medicine but spend all their time doing research. The advantage of having a medical degree then is that it will be easier to obtain clinical specimens and have access to patients, if your research needs them. Plus clinical academics earn more than normal researchers:)
Most clinical academics do a mixture of research and clinical medicine, which I think is a good balance.
I agree it's hard to decide on a career if there's been so little exposure to it during school/college. Medicine is not alone in this though. In terms of clinical medicine, the best thing you could do would be to get some work-shadowing experience in your local hospital/GP surgery/hospice and see what doctors do first-hand. You won't get an all-encompassing view of a medical career (like I said before, it's a broad church and the daily activities are so varied) but it will at least give you an idea of what you could possibly be doing 10 years down the line. If you're still determined, then take the plunge! There is an interesting article in BMJ careers (www.bmjcareers.com) written by either Richard Smith or Rhona Macdonald, I can't remember, with tips for people about to start medical school. It might be worth a read in your case.

[SHuLy]

avninva,

i'm no medic student myself. however, i am geared towards medicine. i've done attachments and have seen the good and bad side of medicine. i dare not say that i am extremely "in to" medicine as some ppl who i know, but i think i will like it.

i was quite similar to you, as in liking the biology side of science and had taken into consideration other courses. you mentioned about you feeling as though you have to take a risk. i can relate to that as i felt exactly the same way.

what made me choose/decide on this path were the questions i asked myself, "Am i a risk taker? do i want to take the risk? am i ready to face the consequences?". i obtained the answer immediately. i love challenges, and to be able to challenge myself and henceforth my capability, is something that gives me exhilaration (perhaps a little over-stating), but yeah, i like to push myself to be the best i can be, even though it means i have to go through years of toil, sleepless days, the pitiful wage, ...ah, and pre-mature aging! but at the end of the day, knowing that i have done my very best in how i want to live life, i'm satisfied.

i'm not a person who goes for a job just to earn a living, or a person who's primary aim is fame and fortune and i hate being unscrupulous.

therefore, medicine, here i come!

[saddam]

im so disappointed about this page all u guys discuss is out of point u guys didnt mention anything about the salary!according to a magazine titled 'further study intelligence' said the salary of a doctor in us is:

Table of physicians's salary in US

SPECIALTY HIGHEST LOWEST AVERAGE
Primary Care
Family Pratice 197000 111000 142000
Pediatrics 201000 111000 140000
Primary Care Surgical
OB-GYN 350000 184000 238000
Ophthalmology 417000 161000 246000
Internal Medicine Specialties
Neurology 252000 130000 176000
Nephrology 405000 161000 233000
Gastroenterology 381000 179000 250000
Cardiology 434000 186000 283000
Surgical Specialties
Cardiovascular Surgery 852000 351000 558000
Neuro Surgery 713000 279000 438000
Orthopedic Surgery 540000 237000 346000
Plastic Surgery 411000 196000 266000
Vascular Surgery 636000 237000 339000
Miscellaneous Specialties
Dermatology 295000 148000 199000
Hospital Based
Anesthesiology 392000 192000 265000
Radiology 429000 211000 286000



check this Table of physicians's salary in US at http://www.rmuniversity.com/uni_spsu.html

... but bear in mind that what is the case in one part of the world may not hold true for others, as, for example, dermatology is much more popular in the USA compared to, say, the UK, and American radiologists earn more too. You also need to consider the fact that quality of life does not necessarily correspond to the quantum of remuneration - on a superficial level this may be true, and to all intents and purposes is taken to be true, but you also need to factor in things like working hours, risk reduction etc.

[flibbertigibbet]

PETALING JAYA: Specialists, medical officers and housemen in government hospitals will get a huge jump in their daily on-call allowances beginning June 1.

Announcing this yesterday, Health Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek said the RM75 allowance for medical officers would be doubled to RM150 while housemen would get a 400% increase.

The increase was expected to benefit 7,000 medical officers, 700 specialists and 1,000 housemen working in the hospitals.

With the new on-call allowance, housemen can take home an average of RM700 to RM800 more a month.

Currently, they get an average of between RM200 and RM250 monthly as they are paid only RM25 for each on-call duty.

On the average, they do between seven and 13 on-call duties a month.

The Malaysian Medical Association said the new allowances would improve the morale of the medical officers and housemen.

It is believed that the increase would help in reducing the number of doctors quitting the public sector.



Check out TheStar (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/5/27/nation/11060568&sec=nation) for more.

It is believed that the increase would help in reducing the number of doctors quitting the public sector.


I daresay it won't help that much, because it is only one of the factors - I am afraid those in power do not have the insight to see that we look much deeper and further than the superficial and the short-term. In terms of little steps, the next the Government should do is to abolish the PTK for doctors. Most importantly, though, it must ensure a fair, first-rate, meritocratic system where reward is commensurate with ability and performance - big overhaul of the system needed there, but unless people perceive the system to be good they will continue to leave in droves.

With the new pay rate increament, housemanship docs can get around RM3800.00 including all allowences.

[Steppe]

I think it will be more than that. I do not know how a relative of mine managed but she said that she could get about or more than RM 4,000 a month including all allowances, on calls etc. during her housemanship under the old system 2 years back (she was even on calls throughout the Chinese New Year holidays). This is in Sarawak, perhaps on calls most of the time?, hence can earn a lot more.......

As an interesting side note, she got into public Uni with 2 As in STPM then (imagine now a CGPA of 4.0 may not guarantee a medical place nowadays). When she was studying medical, she was complaining and complaining that she had got into a wrong course, did not like it, too much to study etc. etc - sounded like struggling to me then. Anyway, she survived and I suppose she is happy with the pay. The way I see now is that she is committed. Her fiance is also a doctor and I would think that as a starting, the combined income is good.

[masdie]

haha...another reason for people to rush into med schools: malaysian doctors are going to be a bit richer!

[SHuLy]

it's deserving of what these lot are doing...and have done

[jacLC]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

[youngyew]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??
Sounds materialistic but in my opinion relatively true:

One of the factors of job satisfaction is the salary / pay.

[SHuLy]

With the new pay rate increament, housemanship docs can get around RM3800.00 including all allowences.

hmm...really this much????

[skyguy]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

Of course, salary is the most important factor.

[Patrick]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

Of course, salary is the most important factor.

Most important?
Then I guess you should go for direct sales. Save the hassle of studying for 7 yrs, and earn tons a month, that is if u can sell lol.

There are many other jobs offering higher pay. Why choose the medical line then?

[SHuLy]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

Of course, salary is the most important factor.

sigh...

Would people please read earlier postings and see which points have already been covered instead of bringing up the same tired things? Honestly, it's so hard to have a proper discussion of issues these days - and I thought our youth are getting smarter, what with the increasing number of As being scored...

[masdie]

Would people please read earlier postings and see which points have already been covered instead of bringing up the same tired things? Honestly, it's so hard to have a proper discussion of issues these days - and I thought our youth are getting smarter, what with the increasing number of As being scored...

haha...cool entry dude!!

[youngyew]

Would people please read earlier postings and see which points have already been covered instead of bringing up the same tired things? Honestly, it's so hard to have a proper discussion of issues these days - and I thought our youth are getting smarter, what with the increasing number of As being scored...
Haha.. True, true, sometimes it is a bit annoying to see the same questions coming up a few times in the same thread. But I think people are just lazy to read through all posts, not that they are dumb larrr.. :twisted:

It is still indefensible. Any person who feels their contribution could actually be worth something should have taken the time to thoroughly acquaint themselves with the discussion.
The observation about the increasing number of star students was made to express the irony that even though our minds are supposedly getting sharper, the intellectual maturity that should accompany it (and this includes not using 'malas le nak baca semua tu' as an excuse) doesn't seem to be there yet.
Anyway, this is detracting from the topic.

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

Of course, salary is the most important factor.

Most important?
Then I guess you should go for direct sales. Save the hassle of studying for 7 yrs, and earn tons a month, that is if u can sell lol.

There are many other jobs offering higher pay. Why choose the medical line then?

It will be better for someone to look in the mirror first before trying to advice others. When someone has made a decision on his/her life on choosing their future career path it will be better for us not to discuss about it.

To everyone who wish to pursue medicine as a future career, please dont get bothered with what others say, they are just trying to make sure that you dont get better then them.

[Patrick]

Is salary dat important? If u earn a lot of money but u dun like wat u r doing, wats de use??

Of course, salary is the most important factor.

Most important?
Then I guess you should go for direct sales. Save the hassle of studying for 7 yrs, and earn tons a month, that is if u can sell lol.

There are many other jobs offering higher pay. Why choose the medical line then?

It will be better for someone to look in the mirror first before trying to advice others. When someone has made a decision on his/her life on choosing their future career path it will be better for us not to discuss about it.

To everyone who wish to pursue medicine as a future career, please dont get bothered with what others say, they are just trying to make sure that you dont get better then them.

Oh nonono, that's not what i meant.

It's totally fine with me if someone goes for medicine for monetary gains. I'm not discouraging anyone, it's just my point of view.

Oh yea, you don't have to say "someone", just point the finger at me. I know I'm the one you're talking about.

One question. Is it really worth it to do something you don't like for money?

[youngyew]

It's a cruel fact... that there are girls who marry a guy just because he is a billionaire (and vice versa), there are people who enjoy some "not so enjoyable" works because it earns a lot of money. And if you ask them, they would tell you that they are happy.

[libran_mei]

What do you mean by "cruel fact"?By the way, it is not even a fact. Things happen for a reason, don't go misjudging people just because it's the norm in this particular community. And no, people don't go lying about their "happiness" in their jobs. If it's for the money, they would tell you so. Just note the actual purpose of all kinds of work alrite, it's merely survival. Besides that, other factors could come in. Medical is in no way a profession measured by the amount of money you can earn annually. So before you indulge youself silly into something you have not figured out why, best not to.

[youngyew]

What do you mean by "cruel fact"?By the way, it is not even a fact. Things happen for a reason, don't go misjudging people just because it's the norm in this particular community. And no, people don't go lying about their "happiness" in their jobs. If it's for the money, they would tell you so. Just note the actual purpose of all kinds of work alrite, it's merely survival. Besides that, other factors could come in. Medical is in no way a profession measured by the amount of money you can earn annually. So before you indulge youself silly into something you have not figured out why, best not to.
libran_mei, I think you misinterpreted my post seriously. And before you accuse me of indulging myself silly into something I have not figured out why, best not to if you have never read my previous posts about medicine. :|

I said "there are", that means it's a qualified sentence which refer to a certain group of people but not all.

What I really meant is, three of the categories we could make out are:
a) those who work for sheer pleasure of his job
b) those who are happy with both the job satisfaction and the pay
b) those who derive pleasure from his job (or anything) simply because of money


And my post was referring to type C alone. And it's a cruel fact that type C people do exist in our society.

[libran_mei]

wait one second.i wasn;t accusing you, it was a general opinion, meant for everyone out there. if i had used the term "you" too often,so sorry.it wasnt meant that way.

[youngyew]

No worries mate. :) I was just refuting just in case you were referring to me. I take it that you have understood my explanation about the money-minded people??

[libran_mei]

actually i don't really mind money-minded people. at least they care about something which is non-living.the ones that get on my nerves are those who discriminate people due to some thoughtless perceptions. judging others when they themselves know nuts.

[prednisolone]

Medicine is a noble profession.

A doctor who complains about inadequate returns/profit should not have been one in the first place.

Anyone who only wants to get rich and constantly grips about the poor returns should NOT have been admitted to medical school in the first place.

[SHuLy]

prednisolone,
obviously that you have not read all of the posts being put up under this thread.
being aware of the current salary of doctors does not mean that the person is studying medicine and aspiring to be a doctor just to earn big bucks.

[Zeroth]

According to thestar, the government is increasing the salaries of doctor yet again, i'm losing track of the current situation, can someone lighten me in this? So is it that we are getting around rm5000?

I don't object type C* doctors, as long as they perform their duties well. It is their own choice of life and we have no right to change that.

*yeongyew's definition, hehe!

Anyway, considering the fact that doctors required such a huge sum of money to aquire their degree, isn't it fair for them to get the amount of income that is adequate for them to repay their study loans? Take in account too, the amount of effort and struggle they have to put through during their time in universities as well as in practice. I don't see a reason not allowing doctors to at least enjoy something for all the sacrifices they make.

Doctors also face chances of being sued everyday, i think the average doctor gets sued at least twice yearly. Doctors face a lifetime risk of aquiring hospital aquired diseases, blood borne disease and so on, would'nt it be similar to those working under hazardous conditions that gets good pays?

However, i do find a little unfairness in the treatment of other medical staff, nurses for instance. Doctors seemed to get more attention, when in my opinion, nurses contribute hugely to the funtionality of the medical line as well.

JPA does not provide courses for nursing, even though the amount of nurses are dangerously low as well. (sorry, i can't provide much statistics to back this claim)

Guest, I am very interested to know more about the medical profession from your eyes. I really respect the depth of thought that you had, learning to increase the ability of critical thought myself.. :) Do join recom formally if you're ready, you're always welcome.

[__earth]

Anyway, considering the fact that doctors required such a huge sum of money to aquire their degree, isn't it fair for them to get the amount of income that is adequate for them to repay their study loans? Take in account too, the amount of effort and struggle they have to put through during their time in universities as well as in practice. I don't see a reason not allowing doctors to at least enjoy something for all the sacrifices they make.

Alas, its not just doctors that require a huge sum of resources to acquire their degrees. Others like engineers and others in social science require money. Talking about effort and struggle, teacher is one of the most underpaid profession, even with PhD.

If doctors get a lot, others should too, shouldnt they?

Doctors also face chances of being sued everyday, i think the average doctor gets sued at least twice yearly. Doctors face a lifetime risk of aquiring hospital aquired diseases, blood borne disease and so on, would'nt it be similar to those working under hazardous conditions that gets good pays?

That's one of the reasons malpractice insurance exists.

However, i do find a little unfairness in the treatment of other medical staff, nurses for instance. Doctors seemed to get more attention, when in my opinion, nurses contribute hugely to the funtionality of the medical line as well.

JPA does not provide courses for nursing, even though the amount of nurses are dangerously low as well. (sorry, i can't provide much statistics to back this claim)

Yup yup. I agree. I myself can't provide stats but anecdotally, that seems to be the case. I have never seen any Malaysian grad with nursing degree personally yet.

[Zeroth]

Zeroth wrote:
Anyway, considering the fact that doctors required such a huge sum of money to aquire their degree, isn't it fair for them to get the amount of income that is adequate for them to repay their study loans? Take in account too, the amount of effort and struggle they have to put through during their time in universities as well as in practice. I don't see a reason not allowing doctors to at least enjoy something for all the sacrifices they make.


Alas, its not just doctors that require a huge sum of resources to acquire their degrees. Others like engineers and others in social science requires money. Talking about effort and struggle, teacher is one of the most underpaid profession, even with PhD.

If doctors get a lot, others should too, shouldnt they?


That's true, but the average money required to get an engeneering degree is certainly less than a medical degree, say RM700000 compared to RM200000?

I don't oppose the argument that teachers should get more pay. But arn't lecturers paid a well sum of money as well? Don't mention lecturers in local colleges, they only got paid around rm2000, sad huh?

[__earth]

That's true, but the average money required to get an engeneering degree is certainly less than a medical degree, say RM700000 compared to RM200000?

I don't oppose the argument that teachers should get more pay. But arn't lecturers paid a well sum of money as well? Don't mention lecturers in local colleges, they only got paid around rm2000, sad huh?

I'm might have not read the whole thing in context. Gotta admit that I didn't read the previous posts thoroughly. But are we talking with international or local background?

[Zeroth]

oh sorry, i did not clarify. International background. Just a rough estimate though.

[byzhanii_bogn]

is that so? i thought lecturers at colleges earn quite big bucks... pity my parents tho, being taxed about 20% off their original pay (they're in the education field, secondary school) :cry:

[WinnieH]

just my 2 cents...

if you're thinking about earning big money as your top priority.... don't be a doctor. doctor is a job for those who has the passion to save lifes...

[AlanSoo]

I read a lot of comments here about doctors should be sacrificing and all....and money should not be a priority.....may I ask how many of the people who are writing this are actually qualified?...and have been through the training or long working hours?

None I'll bet, hence the abundance of criticism of those who don't share their almost naive idealism. Empty vessels, noise, etc.
There might be a few like myself who are close to qualification though.

[SHuLy]

I read a lot of comments here about doctors should be sacrificing and all....and money should not be a priority.....may I ask how many of the people who are writing this are actually qualified?...and have been through the training or long working hours?

None I'll bet, hence the abundance of criticism of those who don't share their almost naive idealism. Empty vessels, noise, etc.
There might be a few like myself who are close to qualification though.


Perhaps most of us are not qualified doctors, but some of us have taken the initiative or gone through many means finding out what and how a doctor's life is... besides, bringing up questions like these might trigger some to actually find out from doctors whom they know. i think this would be a good step for those interested in the medical field to find out more about it.

[aquila]

In the US, doctors typically are in the same income bracket as CEOs. The average annual salary is $200,000. You won't be poor as a physician.

Having said that, if your only goal is to become rich, there are better professions to do that. You should not become a doctor if all you care about is money. Investment bankers, consultants, CEOs, even university presidents make six figure salaries yearly. Even CEOs of major non-profits make six figure salaries yearly.

So just wanting to do good and have social standing are poor excuses to want to join the medical profession. I'd hope you have better reasons than that because people's lives are going to count on you.

[pangping1510]

People work hard to get more monet to lead a quality life.

Isn't studying hard as a medical student, then updating ourselves with latest medical knowledge a hard work? Adding on to that is the possibility of being infected with diseases (might be incurable) etc.

So how hard you are working = how much you should be paid. That is why specialists are paid more, compared to junior doctors.

Any profession is the same. Work harder to get higher salary. =)

[AdreanaBhatt]

I've been reading the previous posts... and I thank god that I'm not the only one worried about the pay of doctors. It's not that I'm being materialistic or anything but people should understand that as you get older, your responsibilities tend to shift. You start having a family(this means little kids okay-they don't come cheap... education itself will kill you), I know you should enter a profession based on your passion, but are you really willing to sacrifice the things that mean so much in life-family? This is just my opinion. I got accepted to Ireland to do medicine and waiting to IMU Feb/March intake but after talking to so many people(doctors, dentists), I've decided to do dentistry instead. I'm not discouraging anyone... but I'm just urging you to consider the larger picture in time to come. (I envision so many doctor-to-bes readying themselves to bash me for this)

And as for pay, I do know doctors that are stinking rich. Contrary to popular belief that income tax will tear down your door, doctors usually pay a pittance from their total annual income(there are ways...). This doctor who opens a 24 hour clinic earns and this comes from his own book-RM130,000 a month and he only pays RM15,000 to income tax a year. But he works literally 24 hours. He basically lives in his clinic., Another doctor I know(a specialist), owns a RM2mil house, drives a merc, children all sent overseas... but again, his wife tells me he doesn't have much of a life. Very cranky man. He told me himself-don't do this and he doesn't encourage his children to become doctors. But of course, I've met doctors whom I felt genuinely love the profession(he invests his own money to do further research on autistic children and plans to open a foundation to treat their symptoms-bless him), he doesn't make much but he loves it.

[youngyew]

It is amazing that you actually get to talk to the doctor's wife. :)

[orthopod]

I've been reading the previous posts... and I thank god that I'm not the only one worried about the pay of doctors. It's not that I'm being materialistic or anything but people should understand that as you get older, your responsibilities tend to shift. You start having a family(this means little kids okay-they don't come cheap... education itself will kill you), I know you should enter a profession based on your passion, but are you really willing to sacrifice the things that mean so much in life-family? This is just my opinion. I got accepted to Ireland to do medicine and waiting to IMU Feb/March intake but after talking to so many people(doctors, dentists), I've decided to do dentistry instead. I'm not discouraging anyone... but I'm just urging you to consider the larger picture in time to come. (I envision so many doctor-to-bes readying themselves to bash me for this)

And as for pay, I do know doctors that are stinking rich. Contrary to popular belief that income tax will tear down your door, doctors usually pay a pittance from their total annual income(there are ways...). This doctor who opens a 24 hour clinic earns and this comes from his own book-RM130,000 a month and he only pays RM15,000 to income tax a year. But he works literally 24 hours. He basically lives in his clinic., Another doctor I know(a specialist), owns a RM2mil house, drives a merc, children all sent overseas... but again, his wife tells me he doesn't have much of a life. Very cranky man. He told me himself-don't do this and he doesn't encourage his children to become doctors. But of course, I've met doctors whom I felt genuinely love the profession(he invests his own money to do further research on autistic children and plans to open a foundation to treat their symptoms-bless him), he doesn't make much but he loves it.


Dental school is more expensive than Medical school in the Uk..i heard that dentist have the highest suicide rate among professionals.(heard it numerous times) but i wonder why..Oh well..a trade off would be to become an oral maxillofacial surgeon..hahahah..but the route is hard u need both a dental and medical degree....hahah 5 years of dentistry and 3 years of med..and more training after that..my relative makes 300 thousand pounds a month..(this is in dubai ,abu dhabi and twice a month to muscat in qatar.)..good lifestyle too..hahahah.. No complains..

2 milliion rm a year for a specialist in msia is the at the high end of average..but there are lot earning more..

bottom line is there are really no poor doctors out there..How can u be poor when some places give you 5000 dollars to be on call for 6 days in a stretch..and then in addition to taht get to bill for if you do surgeries,consults..

so where are you heading to then to do dentistry?..my sister just started first year of dentistry at kings and she's stressing out more than me..lol..and now all of sudden she wants to become an oral maxfax surgeon as well..and they only take in 1 intl student..so yep..medicine in general..(nursing,dentistry,medicine...etc on how hard you work =how much u want to earn)..i also have a dentist friend who starts work at 7.30 to cater for the working crowd..and finish work at 9 pm and work on weekends as well.....if you are into cosmetic dentistry you got to cater for the working crowd..albeit...this friend of mine is extremely popular ,young and good looking..LOL..and only 28 years old...owns a ferrari..so yep..it is a good job indeed..

[supergoh]

It is interesting to know what would happen to doctor's salary if my post about excess of doctors does happen in this country in the future.

About AdreanaBhatt's post,a 24-hour clinic is usually run by several doctors.I cannot believe how one doctor runs 24-hour clinic on his own unless he takes many Viagra a day.(Just kidding,sorry if I hurt somebody).

[orthopod]

It is interesting to know what would happen to doctor's salary if my post about excess of doctors does happen in this country in the future.

About AdreanaBhatt's post,a 24-hour clinic is usually run by several doctors.I cannot believe how one doctor runs 24-hour clinic on his own unless he takes many Viagra a day.(Just kidding,sorry if I hurt somebody).

have u heard of locums..doctors who own clinics abuse locums..some towns only 2o rm per hour for a locum.lol

[Miracle_seed]

It is interesting to know what would happen to doctor's salary if my post about excess of doctors does happen in this country in the future.

About AdreanaBhatt's post,a 24-hour clinic is usually run by several doctors.I cannot believe how one doctor runs 24-hour clinic on his own unless he takes many Viagra a day.(Just kidding,sorry if I hurt somebody).Good doctors will never be in excess, and good doctors can always get handsome pay, if they want.

[supergoh]

have u heard of locums..doctors who own clinics abuse locums..some towns only 2o rm per hour for a locum.lol

Well,I have never heard of locum.Only RM20 per hour? Better give tuition to students,especially Form Six students.

[youngyew]

I have never heard of 20 ringgit-per-hour locum.. where is this place?

[AdreanaBhatt]

Dental school is more expensive than Medical school in the Uk..i heard that dentist have the highest suicide rate among professionals.(heard it numerous times) but i wonder why..Oh well..a trade off would be to become an oral maxillofacial surgeon..hahahah..but the route is hard u need both a dental and medical degree....hahah 5 years of dentistry and 3 years of med..and more training after that..my relative makes 300 thousand pounds a month..(this is in dubai ,abu dhabi and twice a month to muscat in qatar.)..good lifestyle too..hahahah.. No complains..

2 milliion rm a year for a specialist in msia is the at the high end of average..but there are lot earning more..

bottom line is there are really no poor doctors out there..How can u be poor when some places give you 5000 dollars to be on call for 6 days in a stretch..and then in addition to taht get to bill for if you do surgeries,consults..

so where are you heading to then to do dentistry?..my sister just started first year of dentistry at kings and she's stressing out more than me..lol..and now all of sudden she wants to become an oral maxfax surgeon as well..and they only take in 1 intl student..so yep..medicine in general..(nursing,dentistry,medicine...etc on how hard you work =how much u want to earn)..i also have a dentist friend who starts work at 7.30 to cater for the working crowd..and finish work at 9 pm and work on weekends as well.....if you are into cosmetic dentistry you got to cater for the working crowd..albeit...this friend of mine is extremely popular ,young and good looking..LOL..and only 28 years old...owns a ferrari..so yep..it is a good job indeed..

I've decided to go to india. Wanna keep the cost for my 1st degree down because I'm planning to specialize in the uk and it's on average 50,000 pounds(I can't find the pound sterling symbol, darn) per year for 3 years. She's at king's? Wow, congrats to her. =) A friend of mine applied for med there. Yeah, I did some research on the oral maxillofacial surgery and it's so interesting. I can't wait to start my degree. Friends tell me it's tough dentistry(personally... good things don't come easy right? i.e doctors) Some doctor relatives were pretty disappointed I changed my mind because they think that it's boring being confined to just the mouth but oral maxfax is pretty wide(hence the allure).

For those who want to read about the hardships of studying and practicing med, I suggest this website- www.mommd.com
although it's centered towards women, but I'm sure the opposite sex would make good use of it too. =D

It is amazing that you actually get to talk to the doctor's wife. :)


haha yeah... she kept on harping on the issue- Doctors no life. But I've met her husband too... scary man. I have never seen him smile but I see what his wife means, poor guy. He works so hard and when the patient dies, the family members put all the blame on him for not doing enough.

It is interesting to know what would happen to doctor's salary if my post about excess of doctors does happen in this country in the future.

About AdreanaBhatt's post,a 24-hour clinic is usually run by several doctors.I cannot believe how one doctor runs 24-hour clinic on his own unless he takes many Viagra a day.(Just kidding,sorry if I hurt somebody).

haha.he does share... but he takes on a lot upon himself. uh.... in this case, well to maximize profit. is there a nicer word other than greed?

[orthopod]

I've decided to go to india. Wanna keep the cost for my 1st degree down because I'm planning to specialize in the uk and it's on average 50,000 pounds(I can't find the pound sterling symbol, darn) per year for 3 years. She's at king's? Wow, congrats to her. =) A friend of mine applied for med there. Yeah, I did some research on the oral maxillofacial surgery and it's so interesting. I can't wait to start my degree. Friends tell me it's tough dentistry(personally... good things don't come easy right? i.e doctors) Some doctor relatives were pretty disappointed I changed my mind because they think that it's boring being confined to just the mouth but oral maxfax is pretty wide(hence the allure).

For those who want to read about the hardships of studying and practicing med, I suggest this website- www.mommd.com (http://www.mommd.com)
although it's centered towards women, but I'm sure the opposite sex would make good use of it too. =D




haha yeah... she kept on harping on the issue- Doctors no life. But I've met her husband too... scary man. I have never seen him smile but I see what his wife means, poor guy. He works so hard and when the patient dies, the family members put all the blame on him for not doing enough.



haha.he does share... but he takes on a lot upon himself. uh.... in this case, well to maximize profit. is there a nicer word other than greed?

50 thousand pounds per year to specialize?hahahaha..omg..thats insane..
I would save that money and go to Las vegas institute for advance dental studies instead..hahahaha..the super uber milionaire ferrari dentist i know did his training here..Not uk..uk is down in the dumps.its already washed out.

[AdreanaBhatt]

50 thousand pounds per year to specialize?hahahaha..omg..thats insane..
I would save that money and go to Las vegas institute for advance dental studies instead..hahahaha..the super uber milionaire ferrari dentist i know did his training here..Not uk..uk is down in the dumps.its already washed out.

thanks so much for that tip. Never been much of a fan of vegas... it's way too hot there for my liking but i'd rather be in a hot place then cold. =P but thanks again.

[orthopod]

thanks so much for that tip. Never been much of a fan of vegas... it's way too hot there for my liking but i'd rather be in a hot place then cold. =P but thanks again.


i added u on msn if u do use it actuaaly.lol

[AdreanaBhatt]

I know this is so off topic but..... my msn is screwed up. Everytime I try to update there's always an error! This is so irritating. Anyway, I was looking into LVI and I seriously can't thank you enough for that. I'd belanja you makan man... haha

again, sorry.. off topic. =D

[orthopod]

I know this is so off topic but..... my msn is screwed up. Everytime I try to update there's always an error! This is so irritating. Anyway, I was looking into LVI and I seriously can't thank you enough for that. I'd belanja you makan man... haha

again, sorry.. off topic. =D


omg makan!pls pls..where?but im in london now..actually my friends call me raja makan

[plain_white]

hi, i just wonder what's the newest pay for fresh housemen and MO. i heard that it has been reviewed recently. But a friend of mine who promoted to MO recently claimed that his salary is just around rm3000+. Just wanna know how true is that...

[orthopod]

hi, i just wonder what's the newest pay for fresh housemen and MO. i heard that it has been reviewed recently. But a friend of mine who promoted to MO recently claimed that his salary is just around rm3000+. Just wanna know how true is that...


substantially more if you would include allowances and stuff like that.

Its not bad really..In the Uk u get about 2000 pounds..and cost of living is so much higher....i wonder when my parents can recover the rm1.3-1.4 million they are going to spend on me.

[quote=AdreanaBhatt;285044]I've decided to go to india. Wanna keep the cost for my 1st degree down because I'm planning to specialize in the uk and it's on average 50,000 pounds(I can't find the pound sterling symbol, darn) per year for 3 years. She's at king's? Wow, congrats to her. =) A friend of mine applied for med there. Yeah, I did some research on the oral maxillofacial surgery and it's so interesting. I can't wait to start my degree. Friends tell me it's tough dentistry(personally... good things don't come easy right? i.e doctors) Some doctor relatives were pretty disappointed I changed my mind because they think that it's boring being confined to just the mouth but oral maxfax is pretty wide(hence the allure).

For those who want to read about the hardships of studying and practicing med, I suggest this website- www.mommd.com (http://www.mommd.com)
although it's centered towards women, but I'm sure the opposite sex would make good use of it too. =D




haha yeah... she kept on harping on the issue- Doctors no life. But I've met her husband too... scary man. I have never seen him smile but I see what his wife means, poor guy. He works so hard and when the patient dies, the family members put all the blame on him for not doing enough.

women who are married to doctors seem to complain abt their husband's life..but hey they do enjoy the money..the maid service..the hair salons,the yoga,basically the good life right..so i find them to be hypocrites...i've seen many women who are married to rich doctors..complain so much..but when their husbands leave them for nurses or other women..they basically hidup merempat...

women in mediicne..now thats tough..ideally i wouldnt marry a female doctor.but..FOrtunately(ermm make that UN-)..i do think im madly in love with a female med student..absolutely crazily, truly, madly,deeply..so then..i take back my words..because im pretty sure i'd die without this person..omg i sound sooo dramatic.
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[AdreanaBhatt]

women in mediicne..now thats tough..ideally i wouldnt marry a female doctor.but..FOrtunately(ermm make that UN-)..i do think im madly in love with a female med student..absolutely crazily, truly, madly,deeply..so then..i take back my words..because im pretty sure i'd die without this person..omg i sound sooo dramatic.
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aww... that's sweet. women married to doctors live the good life(when they arent doctors themselves) just minus the husbands. my boyfriend is a doctor-to-be too =P so I guess I'd know how it feels in time to come. Does anyone know the starting salary for dentists?

[orthopod]

aww... that's sweet. women married to doctors live the good life(when they arent doctors themselves) just minus the husbands. my boyfriend is a doctor-to-be too =P so I guess I'd know how it feels in time to come. Does anyone know the starting salary for dentists?


same as dr's la in gov service

[Miracle_seed]

same as dr's la in gov serviceNot exactly the same, slightly less...

[orthopod]

wanna bet?

same.

[Miracle_seed]

wanna bet?

same.Perhaps my information is outdated, because few years back during hospital attachment, the nurses and doctors kept telling even though dentists and pharmacists have slightly lower salaries, their workload are much lesser.

[orthopod]

Perhaps my information is outdated, because few years back during hospital attachment, the nurses and doctors kept telling even though dentists and pharmacists have slightly lower salaries, their workload are much lesser.
I do think pharmacist get paid slighly less and i do think its resonable because they only got 2 school for 3.5-4 years whereas most doctors and dentist train 5-6 years before graduating.

[tehjiao]

well dentist and doctor salary are same in government hospital pharmacy only $150 lesser.work much lesser

[powerlinkers]

Doctor's Salary In Peninsular Malaysia, oct 2010,

Government Sector
First 2 years-2.5 years--> Houseman Officer = RM4000-4700
Medical Officer(first 2 years) -->RM 5600- 6200
Subsequent years -->RM6000+
Specialist--> New RM8000-11000,
Consultant-RM10000-12000
Senior Consultant(including Head of Department)-RM12000-RM19000

Private Sector
General Practitioner KL(work for other people) - RM7000-RM9000
General Practitioner JB(work for other people) - RM8000-11000
General Practitioner KL,JB(own clinic/share) -RM10000-RM25000

Specialist(work for others)
Internal Medicine- RM16000-25000
ObGyn -RM18000-25000
Family Practice -RM 16000-25000
Paediatrics- RM 18000-RM25000
Opthal-RM20000-RM30000
ENT-RM20000-35000
Neurology-RM16000-25000
General Surgeon-RM20000-RM40000
Haematologist,Pulmonologist,Allergy&Infectious D, GastroEnt,Psychiatry ,Pathologist-don't know (should be around RM20000-RM35000)
Rheumatologist- RM20000-RM30000
Nephrologist- RM20000-RM35000,
Cardiologist- RM30000-RM65000
Colorectal Surgery,Plastic Surgeon- don't know
Neurosurgery -RM50000-RM80000
Orthopaedic Surgery-RM25000-RM50000
Urologist, Vascular Surgery-RM25000-RM40000
Dermatology-RM25000-RM45000
Anesthesiology,Radiologist- RM20000-RM35000
Emergency Medicine-RM20000-RM35000
Cardiothoracic Surgeon -RM90000-RM120000
Lungs and Transplant Surgeon -RM60000-RM80000

Specialist- work on own
Cardiologist -RM60000-RM85000
Internal mEdicine/Family Practice-RM25000-35000
Opthalmologist-lasik- RM50000-RM70000
Dermatologist- RM30000-RM50000
Others-don't know

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[gabanpendek]

my dad is a private consultant in malaysia and my brother is a consultant in one of the govt universities in malaysia. i am a junior doctor (not a house officer) in the uk.

fyi, the sky is the limit for doctors' salary both in the uk and malaysia with malaysia probably with more opportunities.

i can say this because, because i know for a fact not because i heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend but because i am privy to the numbers and payslips.

in one private hospital in the klang valley

the orthopaedic surgeon takes home rm150k pre tax per month.
the obs and gynae person takes home a pre tax rm350k per month.

but you worklaa like a dog

an internist working 5 days a week can take home rm100k per month.

the lower estimates of rm50k per month are the very lower end of the spectrum in this hospital.

of course laa you can get super rich as a doctor, but work hard laa. nothing comes easy man.

as a rule of thumb, procedural specialties always make more than non.

[juilleteap]

Doctor's Salary In Peninsular Malaysia, oct 2010,

Government Sector
First 2 years-2.5 years--> Houseman Officer = RM4000-4700
Medical Officer(first 2 years) -->RM 5600- 6200
Subsequent years -->RM6000+
Specialist--> New RM8000-11000,
Consultant-RM10000-12000
Senior Consultant(including Head of Department)-RM12000-RM19000

Private Sector
General Practitioner KL(work for other people) - RM7000-RM9000
General Practitioner JB(work for other people) - RM8000-11000
General Practitioner KL,JB(own clinic/share) -RM10000-RM25000

Specialist(work for others)
Internal Medicine- RM16000-25000
ObGyn -RM18000-25000
Family Practice -RM 16000-25000
Paediatrics- RM 18000-RM25000
Opthal-RM20000-RM30000
ENT-RM20000-35000
Neurology-RM16000-25000
General Surgeon-RM20000-RM40000
Haematologist,Pulmonologist,Allergy&Infectious D, GastroEnt,Psychiatry ,Pathologist-don't know (should be around RM20000-RM35000)
Rheumatologist- RM20000-RM30000
Nephrologist- RM20000-RM35000,
Cardiologist- RM30000-RM65000
Colorectal Surgery,Plastic Surgeon- don't know
Neurosurgery -RM50000-RM80000
Orthopaedic Surgery-RM25000-RM50000
Urologist, Vascular Surgery-RM25000-RM40000
Dermatology-RM25000-RM45000
Anesthesiology,Radiologist- RM20000-RM35000
Emergency Medicine-RM20000-RM35000
Cardiothoracic Surgeon -RM90000-RM120000
Lungs and Transplant Surgeon -RM60000-RM80000

Specialist- work on own
Cardiologist -RM60000-RM85000
Internal mEdicine/Family Practice-RM25000-35000
Opthalmologist-lasik- RM50000-RM70000
Dermatologist- RM30000-RM50000
Others-don't know

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May I know where did you get these stats from?

[plain_white]

with more and more doctors being produced, i'm a bit skeptical with the future prospect of doctors. This is due to the fact that getting into postgraduate training will be more competitive with lack of transparency in selection. Probably most will just end up being a GP with meagre salary.

[guy3288]

Govt docs are getting better pay now, allowance more than basic pay.

Top in rank Jusa A around RM25k all in
Junior Specialist around RM10k- 15k
lowest officer RM3-4k

Private sector
GP- RM10-30k , some may be less some more.

Specialist employed by private hospitals expect RM20k-25k, some may be even 35k in demand speciality

in very busy hospitals where you start work 7.30Am and back home 8.30pm, seeing lots of patients and doing procedures every day, you may gross near RM100k, but take home nett only RM70-80k pm

Running own hospital - Work like dog - RM250k - no life
Comfortable 9-5pm work, with procedures and operations - RM50 - 80k pm

So who said you cant be rich working as doctors??????????

You can, but you must be a specialist.
GP not so easy, need to put in more work hours

[andreleeqs]

Hi I am a medical student going to graduate this year. I study in University of Tasmania, Australia, under JPA scholarship. I am very keen to go back and work for my country. I think of staying in AUS but still Malaysia is my preference.

I have tons of question about being Houseman next year. Can any1 here kind enough to contact me at andreleeqs[at]yahoo.com so that i can ask and clarify. Thank you...

I am kind of blur now as how i am going to apply for job, when to start, which hospital (how they allocate), working condition, salary structure, support and many more...hope some1 can help

[podrunner]

@<hidden>, congratulations! Glad to know some graduates are coming home, instead of staying on. How do you like Tasmania, and did you enjoy your course?