How to improve our website? [Archive]

masterof_none

14-06-2003, 09:37 PM

My intention seting up this community is for Malaysian Students being able to exchange view and APPLY what they've been working on in the class.
I can see no point for me coming here, write a paper, and toss it away without sharing it with somebody else. Although I've already done just that (toss the papers away)...I think a lot more Malaysians out there are writing papers about how economy, applied science, mathematics etc.

So, I hope I can see more people post their findings in class..because,you know, a lot of these things are so abstract that there's no way you can apply it. .... for example, if I write an economic essay about multiplier effect in Asia, can I , as a student, generate those multiplier effect alone?Unless I'm a powerful guy sitting in the government, there's no way I can do it alone. Well, now we can,,,,thanks to ReCom .
we've 100 plus members and lots of visitors (Ii believe), and if we exchange views and knowledge, and work collectively, there's no reason why we can't do it.
I believe in Malay's proverb: "Bersatu kita teguh, bercerai kita roboh"
but NOT:" Biar lambet asal selamat" (I think something wrong there,but not sure how can I explain it).
and also, I believe in "Malaysia Boleh!"

masterof_none

14-06-2003, 10:12 PM

Alright, now we now why this community exists, we also have to focus on the layout/interface of this website....

This website has lots of blends of design...
This was what;s happening when we (Bachok and I) set up the website.

1. We went to Yahoo website...try to copy the design.
We want search engine, news, stock quotes, games...etc.
(and still can;t believe that that website generete millions of cash!)

2. Then I went to slashdot(slashdot.org), try to find some idea, found that it's good for us to keep up to date - slashdot style...so that;s why the news is there

3. And then realize the importance of forum for it's role in the future of Malaysia...that;s why the forum is there,
4. Think that I want to share some knowledge in Java, there ..a cup of Java...
and on and on.....

the result:a messy website...hah.

So, thanks to Adrian, Z , and more for a great feedback, we have been thinking about cleaning this interface.....
Adrian made lots of good feedback...I hope he can post it here again ;-)
I agree with him, we need to get rid of those messy interface.

PhotoMalaysia.com is indeed a well designed website.

I;ve been thinking about creating this website as a portal of Malaysian students ...(esp in US). What do you guys think?
So, we need basic necessity such as links to Malaysian Dept websites/contacts, links to papers in Malaysia and Asia as a whole.
also, we need basic students research tool. I found that google is the best research tool here !. that's why google is still there (but thinking about creating a link to research tool...)..first search, oclc, Interlibrary loan ,etc

and we need links to Orbitz, Hotwire....etc.

Schools links,
for example, USC,etc.

We'll try our best...our webmaster is now having a trauma of researching Indian population in Brazil (or Orinoco river, I supposed).....so, kinda busy too....

Papers.
I found that lots of great minds in Malaysia but we failed to interact..well, we want you to do just that, submit your papers (for now, you can do it in the forum, for example Z's paper in enterprenuership...it's really great, thanks Z). We are now try to come up with some kind of idea how you can publish your papers, have people download, maybe subscribe as a newsletter...have some kind of agreement with author about copyright,etc...you know...those legal thing.

Pictures.
also, since we've 100 plus people, it's good to know where are you guys come from, where you study, and maybe we can do some field trip to check out other members' school and have some discussion about what ReCom can do in shaping Malaysian future.

I want people to see, ReCom website....as the future of Malaysia.

masterof_none

14-06-2003, 10:24 PM

Also, we really need students from outside the US post their opinions (esp those in Malaysia).

I think we went to lots of great countries but we failed to share our opinion on which these different model is the best so that we can kinda borrow their idea and transform Malaysia into a great country .
For example people in Japan...what do they think....if they;re not comfortable with English, we'll make it ReCom Japan etc. ReCom Germany. ReCom China....whatever...
The most important : we work on it...

Thanks for the support.. I need feedback from everyone.

chenchow

14-06-2003, 11:22 PM

I have added the links for newspapers, Ying Ying suggested to me a few days ago and I have added about 17 newspaper from various languages in Malaysia and some other newspapers/magazine in the world.

I have also finished added MSD websites into the links. I am just started to add the MASA websites in the links. I have done for a few universities only as of now. Would do so more later.

Yeah, I agree about the links to e-commerce site. I think we need to add that. May be we can have all those and then we can highlight it more later.

We can add the school links as well later on...

All the best and thanks for the goodwork.

masterof_none

14-06-2003, 11:49 PM

Thanks ChenChow, yea, lots of great stuff there. ;-)

chenchow

15-06-2003, 12:04 AM

I think we should all focus on the 9 challenges of Vision 2020 when we are doing stuff here. The 9 challenges are:

The first of these is the challenges of establishing a united Malaysian nation with a sense of common and shared destiny. This must be a nation at peace with itself, territorially and ethnically integrated, living in harmony and full and fair partnership, made up of one 'Bangsa Malaysia' with political loyalty and dedication to the nation.

The second is the challenge of creating a psychologically liberated, secure, and developed Malaysian Society with faith and confidence in itself, justifiably proud of what it is, of what it has accomplished, robust enough to face all manner of adversity. This Malaysian Society must be distinguished by the pursuit of excellence, fully aware of all its potentials, psychologically subservient to none, and respected by the peoples of other nations.

The third challenge we have always faced is that of fostering and developing a mature democratic society, practising a form of mature consensual, community-oriented Malaysian democracy that can be a model for many developing countries.

The fourth is the challenge of establishing a fully moral and ethical society, whose citizens are strong in religious and spiritual values and imbued with the highest of ethical standards.

The fifth challenge that we have always faced is the challenge of establishing a matured, liberal and tolerant society in which Malaysians of all colours and creeds are free to practise and profess their customs,cultures and religious beliefs and yet feeling that they belong to one nation.

The sixth is the challenge of establishing a scientific and progressive society, a society that is innovative and forward-looking, one that is not only a consumer of technology but also a contributor to the scientific and technological civilisation of the future.

The seventh challenge is the challenge of establishing a fully caring society and a caring culture, a social system in which society will come before self, in which the welfare of the people will revolve not around the state or the individual but around a strong and resilient family system.

The eighth is the challenge of ensuring an economically just society. This is a society in which there is a fair and equitable distribution of the wealth of the nation, in which there is full partnership in economic progress. Such a society cannot be in place so long as there is the identification of race with economic function, and the identification of economic backwardness with race.

The ninth challenge is the challenge of establishing a prosperous society, with an economy that is fully competitive, dynamic, robust and resilient. We have already come a long way towards the fulfilment of these objectives. The nine central objectives listed need not be our order of priorities over the next three decades. Most obviously, the priorities of any moment in time must meet the specific circumstances of that moment in time.

awdtrbo

22-06-2003, 11:39 PM

you guys are doing a wonderful job here, good intention. Sadly, only 2% of malaysian students population in the US, UK, Aus, NZ, Japan and Malaysia has the same interest as you guys. To attract them, find a new topic, new challenge, new idea ... get into their mind. Find what they want :) it's hard but it can be done. Nobody is reading your news, why?

PHPnuke is great but the loading time sucks, i've used it before - phpNuke, Postnuke both sucks. Ppl on dial-up wont appreciate it and they will run away ... I understand you're trying to develop a great website that has everything - webmail, PM, news, forum etc. Unfortunately you dont have the resources. The solution? well .. create your own CMS. something that is easy for ppl on dialup and offers everything you want.

chenchow, your post about the 9 challenges is great but not at all appealing to students.

masterof_none

27-06-2003, 11:28 PM

Thanks for your post. Yea, we'll try to invite Malaysians in the entire world to join our effort, that is to come together and do something beneficial back home. I;m thinking of new topics that will add values to this website..what do you think we can add here, just tell me.

nobody reading our news, I'm actually not sure why..maybe because this is something new...of course I can post some attractive news for young people (e.g MTV news, or gossip..) but , that;s not the whole idea of the existance of this community. well, maybe a little fun, but not gossip.

we have some problem with loading time...sometimes the browser crashes when loading this site
we're now working on the simple interface, yet, retain powerful features of phpnuke.a little tricky

I think it's actually quite obvious that 9 challanges are not appealing to students...
But I think what we're trying to do here is to create 'awareness' that such challanges exist...I think lots of people don;t really know what 2020 challanges are......and it's kinda sad.

taufiq

23-07-2003, 09:29 PM

I think the 2020 vision is not appealing YET.. to the students
since we tend to think about perspectives in our small scope
of academic life.

But if we start to expand our thinking scope to the world outside
(like what you people are doing),
a lot of things will be appealing to everyone..
However, not everyone will / can do that..
we can't deny that we are facing things in reality, not fantasy...
so must be rational.

People will start to think about the vision 2020 soon,
when the time is near enough
(likewise the student prefer to study last minute
rather than prepare earlier).
Inshaallah.

Though, be aware, that vision 2020 is not the only thing
we are trying to achieve.
So don't let go things that we have possessed,
just to make way for vision 2020.
Make it a valuable sacrifice.
"Yg dikejar tak dapat, yg dikendong keciciran"
-we don't want this to be the result.

hmm... there's something in my mind.. but i lost it...
maybe it's time for class.. next time! 8)

littlebigone

11-11-2003, 04:48 PM

Something that has been bothering me for a while. I think first of all, the latest posts in a forum should come first as opposed to now, where I have to click to go to the last page in a really hot topic.

Secondly, maybe we could change the format of the first page to include more recent topics in the forums. Since I think people who only hit and run the site, see those 5 topics and do not explore more. Another way to improve this is to maybe have a link directly below the 5 latest topics, so that users can go to the main window. RIght now the interface isn't really intuitive. It took me so long to realize that you could go to more forums through community. Community isn't really synonymous with forums, at elat in my mind.

Also, maybe less preview of the news articles would give more space on the first page. Maybe there should be a direct link to the news section too. AS now, people simply go to the front page and read the news there. Maybe make it simpler and just have the headlines with at most 3 sentence of the previews. And below that a link to the news section. I would do it as rows of news as opposed to now, where it's like blocks of news; something like the 5 latest forum topics.

silverblue

11-11-2003, 05:58 PM

Yeah, I agree with LittleBigone about putting up at least a link to more of the forum topics, not just 5... (you read my mind, darlin...that was really bugging me and I wanted to suggest that too). Cos, people like ME, wouldnt be bothered to go all over the site to find that button unless it's right in front of me... :wink: So yeah...more topic headers, or create a link!

And building on about the News section, I know that ChenChow is kinda disappointed why the news that he posts everyday are not being as popularly read as desired...

Well, I believe that it is not really the case that people DO NOT read them... it's just that I think most 'buzy' people will feel that reading the previews** (w/o having to click on the link) is sufficient enough to have a brief idea about what's going on in Msia...It's just like reading the newspaper: most people really just skim thru the headlines or headings and such unless there's a really eye-catching article...So don't be discouraged, newsposters!! I think that the news section is reallly essential and good (although I may not 'click' every article), so keep it up!!

**For this reason, I feel that the current preview of the news articles needs no changes, because at least people who don't like to 'click' to read it will actually get more out of it than the news headings... People who really wants to read the news will click on it no matter what and people who don't, will not no matter how much preview you show them. This probably isn't the best way to gauge how many people reads these articles, though.

royston

12-11-2003, 12:34 AM

hey, believe or not, the initial intention I came here just for the sake of SMS ... :lol:

After a few rounds of surfing, I realized that a lot of infomation related to Malaysia... cool !!!

As a new comer and member, I would like to suggest like what littlebigone and silverblue :oops: mentioned, the Topics that displayed on the first page should be more, the best is, put another column to show which category that particular topic comes from and the category should be link to the related category page. Underneath the topic table, put a link to link back to the 'Forum' of the Community menu.

For the news, we may still put there but without preview will be better. Just the headline will do.

Condolence or special notice should be right below the blue title of Recom.Org.

Consolidate the Services & Updates in a box like how the Instant Messenger looks like.

The 5 Topics tables placed right below the Condolence/Special Notice. Maybe if we put more Topics instead of Top 5, we may put Top 10... and so on.

I am still new, so maybe while I suggesting, I acted like like I own this page, I am so sorry about this but I just hope to give more of my opinion to the group and I really mean it. But believe me, this is the only site I can feel the warmth and comfortable atmosphere around. Everyone of us communicating, just like bros and siss talking... haha !! I love this feeling. No cursing and scholding... Takde maki-maki, takde bahasa kasar... :wink:

silverblue

12-11-2003, 03:32 AM

Oh, to add to something about the forum organization... instead of just categorizing the forums under certain topics, can you guys make it available by last posted dates? That way it's much easier for people to engage in topics that are currently hot or see what other people have been recently interested in... I am also not really comfortable with the way the forums are caterogized under now... it's really hard to search for the topic that I am looking for... eg. it took me quite a while to search for the 'introduction' forum... we should try to make things as easy as possible for ppl.. just a thought.. :wink:

chenchow

12-11-2003, 05:18 AM

thanks silverblue, littlebigone, royston, you guys have provided a lot of great ideas...

I fully agree with these suggestions/recommendations:
a) Have the latest posted messages in a thread shown first.. i believe we would just need to change some of the SQL code...right? littlebigone is an expert in it too, so masterofnone and bachok, you could count on him to help..

b)Have the name "Worldwide Malaysian Students Network" prominently seen in the first page.

c)I would suggest we have top 8 or even 10 topics, seen forum is one of the big thing in recom currently.

d) agree with royston that we consolidate all the features we have, like we currently have in the top left hand boxes, include forum there as well.

e) I would shorten the headlines for news that i post, but i am not sure that would be a very good idea, as silverblue said that some people may just glance through the first few sentences. Typically the news that i post, i would take the first paragraph and generally within 3 sentences. So, what are the takes of people? mere headlines or like currently with a little paragraph of it..

f) link to forum page from the main page, just above or below the forum topics in the main page.

g) royston and everyone else, treat recom.org as yours, and it is owned by all the members of recom..everyone has a right to suggest and if we have quite a lot of people agree, it should be done..

h) the suggestion by silverblue to arrange the topics by last posted date, i am not sure whether it could be done, but it would be great if it could. I think it should be able to, since we had it on the main page based on that... currently, in each of the category, it could be arranged based on last posted date..

bachok and masterofnone, what do you think about all these suggestions that are put up by a few of us? Hope others would share their thoughts too..Together, lets make Recom a better place..

luke

12-11-2003, 05:36 AM

instead of just categorizing the forums under certain topics, can you guys make it available by last posted dates? That way it's much easier for people to engage in topics that are currently hot or see what other people have been recently interested in...
I don't think we should throw away the categorizing that we have right now because I personally think it's much more pleasing to have discussions of the same fields/subjects (like tech, elearning, malaysia, help etc etc) grouped together ... however, I do second your suggestion that posts should be listed based on the last post time ... this can be implemented without having to abolish the categorization ... if you notice in the forum's main page there's a link with title "View posts since last visit" ... it brings you to a list of new posts ... you should notice that the list is ordered based on the post timestamps ... someone can duplicate and modify the function by making it lists down all posts, instead of just new posts ... amacam?

silverblue

12-11-2003, 07:45 AM

Perhaps I was a little misinterpreted.. :o

I didnt mean to suggest that we throw away the categorizing that we have right now... In fact, I think it's pretty good. But I was saying we could ya know... add a link where we can see all forums that are active (meaning there has been posts within the last one week or so in that certain topic), so that it makes it easier for people to contribute thoughts on that current issue...

This can also be an indicator of which topics are already out-of-date (eg. the domain name issue!!) or are no longer relevant.

Whaddaya think? :wink:

royston

12-11-2003, 04:17 PM

Awww silverblue... please don't keep mentioning the domain name issue. I know I missed out the posted date... you buat saya malu saje :oops:

~ roy ~

littlebigone

14-11-2003, 12:36 PM

I hope we can address the issues that have been brought up as soon as possible.

Secondly, I think we need to rethink the forum schema. Looking at it, there seems to be too much of an emphasis on technical and computer stuff. THere is i would say only two things that would interest people who are not into technical stuff, Vision 2020 and Current Issues. I think that the user base of recom has evolved from being the more technical people when recom just started. At the time poeple were giving ideas on how to set things up and learning more about setting up stuff. Now I think we ahve people who are interested in things beyond this.

I;m not saying that the two forums are not good. But i think they are covering too broad a scope. I mean cmon Vision 2020 and current Issues?
Looking at the news topics would be a good start. Off the bat, i could think of economics, world, education and studies, entertainment, sports, networking, advice corner, music and art, career, misc....blah blah blah...

I think this way, maybe we could start encouraging people to come up with forum topics that may suit their interest and needs. I think currently, the broad scopes that we have are too restraining.

just another idea.

chenchow

14-11-2003, 01:09 PM

Fully agree with littlebigone. Those categories given by littlebigone are very good... I have added 5 of those categories, business, education, arts, network, career.. we will see how things go

I fully agree with littlebigone that we should address the issues that have been brought up as soon as possible. This will boost Recom's credibility...

eeyore

14-11-2003, 01:19 PM

when we first log in, we get to the page with the shout box, all of chenchow's news and 5 forum topics. could we increase this to more than just 5? sometimes, i think of an idea to share, but i cant find it among that 5 because it hasn't been as active, and it is a little but of a hassle to navigate the site to find the exact forum i'm looking for sometimes

chenchow

14-11-2003, 01:23 PM

agree, could masterofnone or bachok83, do something with it..increase the forum size to 8 or 10. thanks.

eeyore

16-11-2003, 09:08 AM

silverblue

16-11-2003, 10:13 AM

AHHH... the forum looks soooo mmuuucchhh better now! it's good that we now have more topics on the main page... makes it so much easier! Good job guys!! :D

chenchow

16-11-2003, 11:20 AM

yeah, thanks to bachok and masterofnone... hope that everyone would repay their help, by participating even more actively in forum...

littlebigone

16-11-2003, 11:32 AM

I think bachok and masterof none should get a huge pat on the back from everyone. But since i can't be there. hope they can reach behind and pat themselves
;P

luke

16-11-2003, 11:39 AM

8O .. pat own's back? how do u do that? uh uh my hand can't reach ... :roll:

littlebigone

16-11-2003, 11:41 AM

your hands too short. Like tortoise

royston

16-11-2003, 11:45 AM

Hi,

Seems like the design of the page is wonderful now. The Creative Corner will be launched soon... Should we think of other projects such as increase our popularity and visiting rate?

~ roy ~

chenchow

16-11-2003, 01:15 PM

Without the initiative and vision of masterofnone and bachok, all these would be dream... We would never have known so many new friends... After the charging by communityzero in oct last year, i have been telling myself that we should have such a website/network, but i never know how to do it. And with the vision of both of them and the support of Recom nearly 500 members, we are able to do it... Just imagine 220 posts in 48 hours, could we ever imagine that? We hardly have 220 hits per day...

So, everyone, please share any suggestion, comment with us... Together, lets build Recom even better and bring it to unprecedented height... I believe many of us are now addicted to Recom, am I right?

Please spread the words around ... The more minds, the more thoughts, the better the idea is. I recall a Professor in USC and Chairman of USC Leadership Institute said something like. "We should work in a team, because none of us is as good as a team." Don't you guys agree?

I have a set of notes from Lockheed Martin on teamwork, which i would keep in next weekend... sorry for the delay, as i am saddled with projects and exams... There are also marketing slides from peiwen that i would type it out in the public lecture forum section next week... Check it out!!!

silverblue

16-11-2003, 02:48 PM

You know u guys... I just want to mention that RECOM has just been such a phenomenon! I mean, look at how fast it suddenly grew.. it was like a sudden leap to success! I congratulate Masterofnone and Bachok with all my heart for this fantastic accomplishment! :)

Yes, ChenChow, a whole bunch of people ARE addicted to recom now! It's like we have the desire to log in almost every half an hour!! I tried to go somewhere else to study cos I know I'd keep on reading the forums if I were in my own room, but this isn't working either... look!! I still came back to my room for Recom!! aiyoh.. lol

Anyway, my point it, although everything is great on this website and participating actively definitely gives us unrelentless benefits, I hope that everyone will not be totally TOO addicted and forget to do everything else...we must have a moderation in everything we do and we should know what to prioritize ... eg. doing hwk or studying for exams or showering etc.... i mean.. ...keep up those posts and your amazing interest in recom, but don't let this take up ALL your time and forget about other stuff... :D

this is just a friendly piece of advice... cos i felt an alert when I started becoming too attached to recom and don't feel like doing anything else.. hehe
ok ok I'll go to do my homework now :wink:

Schye

16-11-2003, 04:25 PM

thanks for the advice silver .....
its true as i am addicted too until i need to switch off my PC so that i wont keep on refreshing to see who has responded to the thread.

need to take a nap now.
C ya!

masterof_none

17-11-2003, 01:08 AM

I think bachok and masterof none should get a huge pat on the back from everyone. But since i can't be there. hope they can reach behind and pat themselves
;P

hehe, yeah, thanks littlebigone .

for those who have been addicted to ReCom (including me), we really apologize.
we hope you guys can try as hard as you can not to go to ReCom website if you're extremely busy . (Now we realize how hard for Royston to quit smoking ;-)). But don't quit ReCom. we really appreciate you discussing here. These are all very healthy discussions.

I myself always switch my mac to sleep to do my homework, only to realize that I hit return key 5 minutes later (like right now). whew.

masterof_none

17-11-2003, 02:09 AM

chenchow

17-11-2003, 04:09 AM

Yeah, we must make sure that we strike a balance... make sure that we get to manage our time, study for exams, doing project/assignment/homework and Recom...

I still remember on thursday night, when Recom has such a flurry of action, eeyore and I, both of us have exams the next morning, yet we keep on checking on Recom... for littlebigone, he has 2 assignment due the next morning, and yet he is still addicted to recom and check for so often...

To all Recom members, I think we should now instead of concentrating on increasing new members, we should try to build up from among our own Recom members.

For instance, if we see one of the members in recom log on and do not post a message, send him or her an IM... Hopefully, more people would join the forum.

If you do not join the forum and sharing your thoughts, you are depriving others a chance to learn from you!!!

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 08:28 AM

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 08:33 AM

another idea. It would seem that studetns who are interested in sites like this would do a search on "student network" or "Malaysian Network" or something like that. So i propose we include such phrases on the website somewhere to increase the likelihood of recom becoming a hit of such phrases. I think we can also cheat :)...not sure yet.

but this is my theory. By putting transparent gifs in overlapping <div> tags and having the <alt> field filled with the said phrases. heheh...worth a try?

eeyore

17-11-2003, 08:42 AM

littlebigone, do you think it is also a good idea to let probably the petronas administrators (kz or someone like that) know about this website so that we can promote this site to other petronas scholars too ?

silverblue

17-11-2003, 08:48 AM

just thought of another idea. Chen chow, what do you think of approaching MSD with this website? Let them know aobut us and to forward students to us. THen we can help them settle in to where ever they are going. Or something like that.
:D

Gosh, you read my mind again... I had already thought about doing that weeks ago... I was thinking that weshould go to MSD and ask them to endorse our website... I am sure they would be thrilled that such a great site for students exists... (and we could ask them for some form of monetary assistance too whenever we need it to expand or sth like that... ). But the main point is so that we gain recognition from some 'pihak atasan', which equals support, which equals exposure, which equals an advancement for Recom! :D

After we've got MSD's support, we can then move on to approach the local newspapers or magazines (it should be easier this way) for our own column... because afterall, MSD stands for Malaysian Students Department (overseas.. ) when our site is Malaysian Student Network currently... sounds strikingly similar doesn't it? Perhaps we can also approach these departments in other countries if they have an MSD there too....

What's even ahead in the future is our very own newsletter!! hehe.. but that's a long way to go lar... just keep that in mind that we'll eventually reach that stage! ;)

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 08:59 AM

just a note. I've been doing searches online for sites like this and there are so many. But I think ours is special because it feels like the most real. U know what i mean? Other sites just feel like too commercial.

But coming back to my point, there is a lot of competition out there, and we should start moving ahead and not dwell on the past few days improvements.

chenchow

17-11-2003, 12:09 PM

I think it would be a very good idea to get the endorsement from MSD, but lets wait and see how both the founders have to say. If they think that it is a good way to do, we should be able to have the go-ahead.

Last year, when I was doing the community-zero for the Malaysian students network, MSD knew about it, as I spoke about it in a Leadership Camp in Washington. May be we could do similar things now as well.

I believe within a week or so, google should be able to cache our site with the current headings..

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 03:18 PM

i don't see anywhere the words Malaysian network or anything like that in text. The banners alt is "recom.org", from looking at the code. And I don't think google employs OCR, so they probably won't know the words on the banner image itself.

chenchow

17-11-2003, 03:22 PM

so, is there anywhere that we could do so.... It would provide us with a lot of visibility if someone who type Malaysian students network or something like that, would have Recom pops up as the first choice link...

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 03:26 PM

like I said before, have the words Malaysian Network in text. or something to that effect. And also the alt for the banner and if we want to cheat, other images on the site should have such terms too.

chenchow

17-11-2003, 03:29 PM

syamsul and bachok, would you mind do what littlebigone has suggested... thanks!!!

littlebigone

17-11-2003, 06:00 PM

Whoa, there's a lot of things we need to do.

Anyway, Royston and seng chye have pointed out that we have too many topics. I hope they can clarify if they mean that the topics are those started by the recom users, or those broad topics that have been added by the admin, eg, economics, networking, blah blah blah.

If it;s the first, then, I think maybe admin needs to set some privileges options. For example maybe only after a certain number of posts only is a user allowed to add a forum topic.

If it's the second, then maybe admin needs to rediscuss the general topic breakdown.

I have a feeling it's the former.

Secondly, I think IQing and Royston have brought up the fact that sometimes the forum is used almost as a chat place. I guess for some topics, it;s okay, but for the more serious stuff, i think we need to moderate the forums more. I know i'm guilty of posting nonsense too :P and I apologize. It used to be that recom was not busy and I guess I have gotten into the habit of trying to keep discusssions active by posting nonsense. I guess that has to change now.

Anyway, I think this is where the admins come in in moderating the forums. I think the following task needs to be done by the admin:

1) If a topic is out of place, close the topic and move it to the correct place. Leave a msg there telling users where the topic can now be found.
2) If users post comments that are not suitable, delete them and warn the user. THis includes comments that are of the form of chats.

That's all I can think for now. If anyone else has a better idea, then share it so we could all benefit.

~all for Recom, and Recom for all

royston

17-11-2003, 06:31 PM

Hey Kevin, thanks for reading my replies.

First of all, I am saying the new topic posted out by recom users. Like what you have mentioned, set privileges to users, that is not a good idea (sorry to say that). Most of the members here are not new to recom anymore, they might be quiet normally but they read our replies one by one. I believe they are mature enough to know what is our problem currently and if they read this reply, they will know what they can do to help recom. If you set privileges to users (especially old members who haven't post any before), this may potentially give some hard feeling to them.

For the second issue, I guess moving those out-of-date topic to correct place and things like that might not help much. For the improper/inappropriate replies, we may delete away them and put a small remark, saying that, that reply posted by whom, has been deleted due to out-of-topic but try not to give a "warning" to users. We are members of Recom family, we have no bad intention or something, it is just like suddenly addicted to recom and like to talk to the rest after all...

Before I end this reply, I hope that whoever read this reply, please do understand that we are trying to collect useful replies/forum with facts and archive them up so that in future if we approach the press/newspaper such as The Star or NSTP (part of our future plan), we may have shorter time to sort all these data and make the Recom - a site full of facts and mature points from our Malaysian Overseas Students !!

Thank you.

~ roy ~

iQing

18-11-2003, 08:00 PM

yo...
i think it's nicer and more motivation if we add a small slogan under the banner...

just add
"Shaping the future" (just an example)

would be nicer.

"think,try and triumph"

royston

18-11-2003, 08:14 PM

iqing, do you mean that after deleted away the improper replies, put a banner with slogan in there? If that is the case, I guess this will be even better... 8)

~ roy ~

eeyore

19-11-2003, 01:14 AM

Well, right now if we go to any forum we can always select to see the latest posts first. However, is there any way we can have it sorta "remember our settings" so that next time we log in too we will have the most recent posts on top?

is this hard to do? i feel that we need to cater to those who do not have high speed connection. i even tried using a computer in the computer lab here on campus and it took so long to load a page. so, if we could automatically take users to the most recent posts first, that would save some time. just a suggestion,

chenchow

19-11-2003, 02:16 AM

do anyone know how to do that...if yes, i think it would be a fantastic idea!!!

littlebigone

19-11-2003, 04:14 AM

hehehe...i just learnt about this...there is an easier way to get to the latest post without causing any trouble to the admin.

instead of clicking on the topic, click on the small msg icon next to the poster's name. It should be the most right of the row.

hehehe...a bit malu lah :oops: ....so long use recom now only find out.heheheh...

if you still can't find it msg me or post a reply here and i'll try to help you.

eeyore

19-11-2003, 05:21 AM

oh boy ... this is embarrassing ... thanks littlebigone for letting us (people like me) know. :oops:

topdog

19-11-2003, 07:01 AM

Gawddamn...I didn't realize we could do that...takpe takpe...at least i'm just a best friend hahah

royston

19-11-2003, 09:28 AM

I am not sure if that little msg icon has been there or recently added in by the admin. I realized it 1-2 days ago and I have put it in the Shout Box to ask if the admin done that...

I believe last time we don't have that icon... so jangan rasa malu... kebanyakan owang pun sama jugak... :oops:

~ roy ~

luke

19-11-2003, 09:42 AM

yup yup betul tu .. bak kate orang tua-tua malu bertanye sesat jalan ... sesat jalan bertambah le malu nye ... so drpd double malu baik tanye org dulu ... keh keh keh ... btw wanna ask a question .. in Malaysian Top 50 lists why is ReCom classified as a computing site? hontou desu ka? is it true?

19-11-2003, 12:08 PM

i voted yesterday, recom's now at 21st place...hmm..come on ppl, we can do better than that right?

iQing

19-11-2003, 01:05 PM

can u pls give me the website where I can view the positions of all malaysian website?
where I can see where our position is?
thanx

"think, try and triumph"
iQing

chenchow

19-11-2003, 01:08 PM

iQing, scroll down any Recom page until the bottom and you will find a link to the Malaysia Top 50...

19-11-2003, 02:07 PM

it's there, way down there, at the bottom of the page.

littlebigone

19-11-2003, 04:48 PM

just a note, the rank is not based on number of votes. THat is one of the possible sorting criteria. However, the way the site sorts when you get to the main page is by # of uniqu hits for the day.

This means, # of unique visitors to the recom for the day. I think. :) Hope I got that right.

Anyway, the thing is, although we have 500 + members, I think our daily unique hits barely reaches 100 each day.

A problem? I think so. Either that or I'm misinterpreting the unique hits.

chenchow

20-11-2003, 06:23 AM

Yeah, it is as littlebigone said, based on unique hits..

Below is the summary of unique hit we have for the past one week:-

13th Nov : 137
14th : 114
15th : 117
16th : 96
17th : 106
18th : 129
19th Nov: 141

I think it is a pretty good improvement.
Just a check on 13th to 19th for august, sep, oct

Aug 13th(24), 14th(15), 15th(23), 16th(19), 17th(7), 18th(14), 19th(22)

Sep 13th(N/A), 14th (32), 15th(41), 16th(49), 17th(74), 18th(63), 19th(50)

Oct 13th(63), 14th(76), 15th(76), 16th(68), 17th(54), 18th(46), 19th(53)

Based on the data from 13th to 19th for each month,
average for august is 17.4
average for september is 51.5
average for october is 63.7
average for september is 119.7

So, I think we are improving, at least in terms of unique hits.
In terms of total hits, we have improved by many folds too...
But, lots of room for improvement, keep it up, folks!!!

luke

20-11-2003, 10:21 AM

w00t .. way to go, our king of exact figures - mr chenchow ... I'm speechless beyond words ... :P

iQing

27-11-2003, 04:03 PM

I would like to suggest something here....

I have an interest
of looking for knowledge on many things
for eg
I would like to read stuff on investments, physical exercise, study method, botani etc. for the sake of personal development

and I think it's better for us to have a better format where we can read + find these stuffs. I think I have a problem finding these stuff...
I think we should have a learning corner where links or articles on various knowledge is available easily...
and there should be a suggestion box where members can write what field of knowledge they like to learn ...
by providing such knowledge it helps us in our forum discussion...
the achors have provided links from time to time in the forum but I think it's better if these links are sort in a proper manner for easy access...

and I think there should be motivation for members to encourage them to read these useful articles (I think I need some motivation too) ... maybe we can use point system where members can get points and ranks for reading articles. etc..

just a suggestion... thanx

__earth

28-11-2003, 03:49 PM

hullo,
one suggestion. We have a thread for java.
so, why not a thread for html, xhtml and all the crap?

iQing

28-11-2003, 09:16 PM

I have a suggestion...

We know that we have to read a lot...

why don't we create a new section where books are introduced?

books on science, business, economy, literature, history, psycology, self help etc?

at the same time I would like to provide aninteresting popular weblink
www.selfgrowth.com

royston

28-11-2003, 11:11 PM

Han Qing, sorta like an e-library? Good idea huh...

But I am thinking of a better idea to find out what are our members like most. I tried to message some of the silent members here. Normally they will log in at night time (Malaysia night time) and I tried to talk to them and hopefully they will feel the warmth in Recom.

I remembered someone suggested to send mails to those silent members right? I guess we may come out a friendly, hospitality mail rather than something "official" to them... anyone want to have a try to draft out a template?

~ roy ~

silverblue

29-11-2003, 09:39 AM

Can someone please volunteer to search all the Recom Development forums and sieve out those suggestions on how to improve the website, how to attract more members, how to do something tangible with recom, etc etc?!

I think we have alot of really GOOD suggestions but it may be a little difficult to keep track of them if there isn't anyone documenting them and reviewing them seriously. Don't let all these good suggestions go burried!! So, hopefully someone would be so goodhearted as to compile them all up and email them to me or something like that so I can start working on what is possible to implement and what is not with the other Recom Anchors. (The reason I am asking for a volunteer is because I will be busy in the next couple of weeks for finals... so if you are not having finals, please offer to help and it'd be much appreciated..)

Oh, by the way, I want to make another suggestion: Can we put a small ANNOUNCEMENT segment on the very top of Recom's site... where we can announce to members, volunteers that we need, Recom events, new happenings at Recom, new features, changes etc?? That would help alot!!

iQing

29-11-2003, 12:24 PM

Silverblue's suggestion is good.
I find the announcement box useful when I was using ecircles, Comm0, circles99 etc.

by the way...
I would like to voice out something....

I have a strange feeling...
feeling that, although this site is for Malaysian students,
I feel that most of the active members here are JPA student (just a feeling, I might be wrong)

where's the other private college students? the uni students and thse secondary school students? I think if there are secondary students here, I believe somebody should have ask for SPM tips here but there's none..

I still have a feeling that we have only a small scope of students..

perhaps we should find a way to let those private college/secondary school students to join our website? perhaps we can start by contacting some private college?

maybe the narrow group of students is the cause for this problem after all, perhaps if we have more variety of students, maybe more people will participate in this forum...

just my opinion...

royston

29-11-2003, 12:34 PM

iQing,

Regarding your idea, I have it all the while in my mind (what an coincidence) but I am not sure will it be appropriate to approach private college or even high schools to promote our site.

Can we try to write an email to those colleges? I able to find those colleges email address and so on but should we do so?

Let's take the majority opinion. If most of us agree that we should approach other colleges/schools by sending email to them, then we will go for this option and meanwhile, can we find someone who is GOOD in english to draft out a mail template? Err... Cheryl, can you do that? I know you are busy but again, even if this option is agreed by us, it will be part of our improvement project in your winter break, how does it sound? We will not kacau you until you finish your exams... can or not? :lol:

~ roy ~

iQing

29-11-2003, 01:49 PM

I don't think it's a good way to write directly to college.. I think it's better to promote it directly to the college students...
they may have clubs... we can affiliate with those college clubsalumni is a good idea too...

I think we should affiliate with some major secondary school website..
I believe they are willing to introduce thier members to a forum site as these forums encourage them to think and speak intelectually.. a feature that they might not have... ?

that's my opinion..

royston

29-11-2003, 02:42 PM

I just registered with CLHS webpage and I have all the contact with my ex teachers. I planned to communicate with them and see what I can do in order to promote Recom to them. If I can do it, at least Chung Ling students know about Recom... YES !!

~ roy ~

iQing

29-11-2003, 04:37 PM

My Father was a Chung Ling student... yup... Penang gov CLHS

I notice that CLHS has a good alumi with wide network...

I have read that CLHS alumni is included in Malaysia's book of Records as one of the longest living society... eerrr... am I right? not sure about that..

royston

29-11-2003, 09:58 PM

I guessed so Han Qing, CLHS was founded in 1917... kinda long time ago and there was a sad story happened in CLHS... which caused one of our headmaster sacrificed his life to protect the student... :cry:

~ roy ~

iQing

30-11-2003, 08:34 PM

I would like to give asuggestion...

yesterday I have read Yazhou Zhoukang (Asia Week) and it was about 1000 biggest entrepreneur (company) in Asia...
andI got an idea....

why dpon't we publish global business as well, just like IHT etc.
if possible, it would be great5 if financial information like Forbes is presented here..

I think by doing so our financial perspective will be widen..

it's nice to have local news published in ReCom but by adding global business news, I believe ReCom will be enhanced...

royston

30-11-2003, 10:27 PM

That's the great idea Han Qing... especially for ppl like idiot in business like me ... i guess i will be able to learn alot ...

but i guess let's talk about this during or after the winter project ... how?

~ roy ~

chenchow

01-12-2003, 06:58 AM

Having financial news posted here is definitely a good idea. I would welcome any submission. I have put in a few articles before from Economist, Wharton etc. So, I would like those who read those financial articles to submit to us. Just go to Menu >> Submit News.

I have posted about RECOM in http://www.smjk.edu.my ,which is the main website for all SMJK website, including Chung Ling, Jit Sin etc. Royston, go ahead and spread to those CLHS. In fact, we can get the contact of all teachers in all SMJK there!

royston

01-12-2003, 09:48 AM

Yes Chen Chow, this is one of my initial intention too. But maybe we can find someone to draft a standard mail to send to the teachers.

~ roy ~

chenchow

01-12-2003, 10:13 AM

I fully agree with you, but on sending to high school teachers, I would suggest that we do that in January, since it is now school holiday in Malaysia, and most teachers would be on holiday now. So, by sending now, it would be just like sending to them and not go anywhere. What do you guys think?

screw3d

01-12-2003, 10:38 AM

This suggestion is not in line with the current discussion, but after looking at the source code of the page, I think we can do away with a lot of code by implementing Cascasded Style Sheets (CSS). It can significantly save the amount of code needed and also lessen server load.

Currently, I think there are too many sub-forums. It should be consolidated into a few bigger categories to increase thread visiblity and member participation.

chenchow

01-12-2003, 10:46 AM

thanks screw3d for the suggestion.

The CSS is definitely a good idea... anyone would like to volunteer to help? What do the rest think about it? littlebigone knows about CSS... I know just a little bit ... and i am sure screw3d knows about it well right? So, may be we can work on this.

On having fewer sub-forums, again about this issue:- We have a dilemma.
We would like to have people to freely discuss about as many issues as possible. The downside is that it looks too sparse. There has been suggestions that we limit number of new threads, but it would be impeding the free flow of idea by RECOM members...

__earth

01-12-2003, 10:54 AM

i know a bit of CSS. if you guys need some help, count me in.

chenchow

01-12-2003, 11:00 AM

Thanks iQing, Royston for the suggestion of including financial news in RECOM news.

I will experiment with it by adding a news or two a day from Forbes, Economist etc, and lets see how it is received by RECOM members.

screw3d

01-12-2003, 12:13 PM

I think for now, we can put the subforums into a single (or a few) forum(s) since there are not many threads to begin with right now. When the activity of a particular forum gets too heavy later, then we could figure out an appropriate subforum to split the load.

iQing

01-12-2003, 12:53 PM

first of all I'm happy that there are more people starting to voice thier opinion in the forum.....

-------

I personally think that we need a breakthrough in ReCom...
as I see there are some frustration in the forum
some members might think that we are going no where or not learning much from the forum..
somehow I believe it's a call for a breakthrough...

I think if we want a forum to be beneficial and effective, there should be an expert...

I believe that if we have back up and support from intelects, we can learn things more effectively as these people have the proper knowledge and experience...

let's say there are forum A and forum B

in forum A there are only uni students discussing a current issue..
in forum B there are 2 experts who are well known in the discussed issue...

in forum A, the members might view thier opinion on certain issue, lets say education problem... without proper experience + knowledge.. do you think we can see things from a wide perspective? can we see things 30 years ahead and know the system 30 years ago and its development?
can we see the effect of the issue microsocially, macrosocially, fiscally, politically, the outcome and the steps... in proper order and detail...
I think that for all u know we might come to a wrong point?

do u think a forum consist of only students can gain attention from society.. I'm not trying to discriminate but we can't ignore the mindframe of our society...

in forum B there are proper guidance... the experts made a clear and proper introduction of the issue and they can analyse it from many perspective and from many areas.. they might see things far ahead and share some of the things we dunno. for example.. since we are having contact with MENSA people, they might provide a proper steps on how to increase our inteligence etc.

by having proper expert/leader, we gain direction and we Really really benefit and learn from the forum... I believe some of u think that our forums are not really organise... maybe the experts in the forum can help curb the problem and give clear direction...

I believe by doing so there's breakthough and the discussion will be more effective..

in fact by doing so... maybe the local press will be interested to ask opinions from ReCom..

I hope ReCom can become a platform for the flow of ideas and a place where the top brains gather togather to generate high quality ideas....
at the same time provide us the chance to widen our perspective...

that's my opinion... thanx for listening...

chenchow

02-12-2003, 01:23 AM

This is a suggestion sent to me by Brian Ong from Yale University.

Great website you have there,
Just registered earlier today,
One suggestion I have is for you to get more information from the members, eg IM, ICQ and university/college.
Students are normally interested in contacting fellow Malaysians in their
surrounding areas, so you might want to have a list of the schools and students registered in those schools.
______

I fully agree with Brian Ong about the suggestion of having everyone's college/university mention. Besides that, it is also good to include everyone's major. foobar has suggested this before.

What do others think?

For the IM, ICQ, we have the feature currently. Just click on a person's name and you will see their such contact info, if they key it in.

Thanks Brian for the suggestions.

silverblue

02-12-2003, 03:04 AM

Yes, in fact the Recom Anchors will be working on that during as one of our Winter Project too....

And Foobar has been appointed as our new Recom Database Director, where she will create, improve and maintain Recom's database; adding more required fields upon registration, updating Recom member's info, sending reminders to old Recom members (who haven't logged on since April....)about Recom's recent boom and bloom, setting up a 'forgot password?' help function, etc.

It's good that so many good suggestions are coming in! We are definitely keeping track of them (had some wonderful volunteers to do that!)... and we'll be implementing them soon enough! Keep them flooding in! :)

Go RECOM! ;)

wwhong

02-12-2003, 06:37 AM

just a suggestion. can the page number be put under the topic? for example, there are 7 pages of message in this topic. can i access the 7th page straight away without having to click the topic to go to the first page and click again to go to page 7?

just a small modification but i m sure will make many people happy.

luke

02-12-2003, 06:43 AM

we already have that feature wwhong ... on both ReCom main page and ReCom forum listings, just click on the <img src=http://www2.recom.org:8000/themes/fisubsilversh/forums/images/icon_minipost_new.gif> image under "Last post" column ..

screw3d

02-12-2003, 09:11 AM

The survey at the bottom of the page looks very out-of-place. I think it would look better if it's put in the sidebar.

screw3d

02-12-2003, 09:16 AM

Another thing.. in the "Vote for us" for Malaysia's Top 50, I think "The Information Gateway" sounds more appropriate in the context than "The InformationS Gateway". Just a minor problem.

littlebigone

02-12-2003, 11:18 AM

that's not ours though...nothing we can do :)

chenchow

02-12-2003, 11:49 AM

littlebigone, i think masterofnone or bachok83 could make a change on that. It was originally keyed in by RECOM on that... may be we can change the Information Gateway, to The Worldwide Malaysian Students Network, since we have that on our banner currently.

silverblue

02-12-2003, 12:08 PM

The survey at the bottom of the page looks very out-of-place. I think it would look better if it's put in the sidebar.

Agreed!! I have long had the same thought about the survey thingy too...

Also, we should change the news format into something like the forum columns/rows style so that we can see more news (no need to scroll down so much and all). I think Littlebigone did a prototype of the new news section layout and mebbe we can use that. ;)

masterof_none

02-12-2003, 12:23 PM

Another thing.. in the "Vote for us" for Malaysia's Top 50, I think "The Information Gateway" sounds more appropriate in the context than "The InformationS Gateway". Just a minor problem.

yeah, that's the typo. Not sure how to change it. we'll try.

about the poll, yes. I've long seen that the poll is out of place.
But do u guys think it's unique to ReCom only ?. ;-)

we'll do a major redesigning this Winter Break. Hope you guys can post more suggestions like you guys did...

whew, let the chaos reign!.

screw3d

02-12-2003, 12:32 PM

Woohoo I'm on a roll here!

Is the forums width formatted for a screen resolution of 800x600? I suggest that the width of the forum automatically adjusts to the screen size, eg. format the forum width either by percentage of the browser width or by a margin relative to the right side of the browser.

It is a waste of screen real estate (for those that have them) and it is also annoying to see just a few threads a page. Is it possible to customize the number of threads displayed per page? I know this is possible in other forums but I'm not very well versed with phpBB or PHP for that matter.

This might be a little problem to implement right now, but it can be integrated using CSS later if the webmaster decides to use it.

screw3d

02-12-2003, 12:43 PM

Another suggestion:

Can the webmaster add a link to the last page of a topic with more than, say 2 pages of threads? I believe that many of us would sometimes just like to go to the last page of a topic.

This is an example:

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~marvinta/screenshot.gif

This is just for the sake of convenience.

littlebigone

02-12-2003, 01:07 PM

Great suggestion. i think that would be great too.

But till then I guess you have to use a work around. There is an arrow on the right of the person who last posted. This will take you to the last post.

That's as good as it gets rite now. Till we finish finals and have time to fix things up.

Keep the suggestiosn flowing.

iQing

02-12-2003, 01:32 PM

I would like to suggest a few things...

FORUM

I have invited some friends to join ReCom.
After they join ReCom,
I ask them to participate in the forum
and u know what they ask me?
"where is the forum?"

and I have to tell them that it's under the COMMUNITY segment
(assume that they are not aware of the home page)

I guess now we know why there are some members who don't join our forum...

by putting the Forum link under the COMMUNITY some members have the trouble of finding the FORUM

why don't we separate the FORUM from the community, as FORUM is ReCom's main identity and put it as another segment...

thanx....

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EVENTS

I think there should be a corner for us to post events (seminars, expo etc)

by the way, i would like to inform u guys about an event

on 3rd of December there is a talk of speed reading and photomemory held at Mint Hotel 7.30 pm - 9.30 pm
the talk uses Mandarin as medium
free entry

thanx...

---------------

silverblue

02-12-2003, 04:10 PM

There is actually a 'More Forums' link at the top left hand side of the forum box. In case people don't notice, please let them know...

Maybe the link is not obvious enough.... can we do something like make the fonts bigger or something like that?

Also, regarding the Events Corner, I think we can just post it in the 'Announcements Corner' (which will be up in a couple of months).

Thanks for the suggestions and feedback

royston

02-12-2003, 04:24 PM

humm... silverblue,

I believe what Han Qing mentioned was, when you first logged in, the first page is your profile page. There are too many icons and words around, which you have difficulties finding the forum page. Even if you put some bigger fonts (or blinking fonts), that doesn't help much.

I would suggest that, change the first page to our Home whenever we log in. We may not want to modify our profile when we log in... right? Furthermore, for new users, they do not know what they want initially but they just want to know what we have.

For the Event v Announcement Corner, I guess Announcement sounds better. Something like "To whom it may concern" things like that... Ppl will pay more attention to it when they log in.

Actually I feel that the FIRST page is the most important page for a user, especially for new users. They don't bother what they want, they just wish to take a peep on what we have that's all.

This is just my personal opinion.

~ roy ~

silverblue

02-12-2003, 05:39 PM

Oh, I am sorry if I misintepreted something.... I guess this is because I am automatically logged in each time I come to Recom's site, so my first page will always be the HOME.... that's probably where the confusion came from... but nevertheless, I also think it's a good idea to make the HOME as the first page when someone logs in... :)

iQing

02-12-2003, 07:39 PM

I think I'm not really happy with the situation...
just less than a minute ago 2 people ask me where is the forum again.

Please just set the FORUM as a different segment from Community
I believe this is the clearest solution......

thanx.....

iQing

02-12-2003, 08:46 PM

Remember those articles I post in
~* Words of Widom *~

I think those articles should be moved to creative corner where members submit thier articles...

thanx

screw3d

03-12-2003, 05:09 AM

One way to increase the visibility of the "more forums" link is to put it -outside- the borders of the forum topics, either above or below the box.

Currently it is hard to see it beside the topic header.

littlebigone

03-12-2003, 05:36 AM

I was wondering if the admin know about this but how do you view the comments of a poll. Seems like you can only do it by voting.

__earth

03-12-2003, 05:47 AM

where does the server is based at?
coz the time certainly doesnt reflect the western hemisphere.

littlebigone

03-12-2003, 05:54 AM

i think it's in LA. The time should be your local time i think, as you set in your profile. However, phpNuke doesn't support daylight savings

__earth

03-12-2003, 05:59 AM

ah, i didn't know that I could set the timezone. My timezone was Australia's so it was rather odd to see the Sun outside when the moon is supposed to be up. :)

chenchow

03-12-2003, 06:16 AM

dharman100 provides a very good suggestion. He suggested that we design some fliers which we could potentially use to spread about RECOM to other Malaysians, especially when we have any function/event.

masterof_none

03-12-2003, 07:00 AM

i think it's in LA. The time should be your local time i think, as you set in your profile. However, phpNuke doesn't support daylight savings

Yes, it's in LA.

Thanks for the suggestions. We really need them.
Right now, ReCom Anchors are entering the Red Zone...

We're having finals/projects dues .

So, we'll be back aggressively soon after finals.

Thanks

__earth

03-12-2003, 08:39 AM

regarding the news section, the admin should check the existing news before approving new ones. There are a few articles referring to the same subject.

chenchow

03-12-2003, 09:22 AM

Thanks for the note... I will look into it.

In fact, I think sometimes, if the news is from different sources, I think there is not much harm if we have news on the same subject. That would add the perspectives.

__earth

03-12-2003, 03:03 PM

seeing tons of ppl like to chat, why don't we make a IRC channel?
the channel could be an addendum to recom.

littlebigone

03-12-2003, 03:11 PM

admins beat you to that months ago....hahahahaha....

there is a link on the first page...upper left...irc@<hidden> something like that...lets you know which server and which channel....

iQing

03-12-2003, 03:25 PM

I think we should change the format of ReCom

people are not seeing FORUM, CHAT or WEBLINK etc.

littlebigone

04-12-2003, 06:20 AM

reposting my question from before as I didn't get a reply:

How do you view the comments for the polls. It seems like rite now I can only do it if I vote again.

thanks

chenchow

04-12-2003, 07:21 AM

littlebigone, just click on "Results" which is located below the "Vote". If you cannot find it, I will show you tonight...

littlebigone

04-12-2003, 02:35 PM

Thanks, I figured it out. I had to adjust my settings so that it displayed the comments. I think the default is "no comments" or mine just was setup that way. Thanks

Schye

04-12-2003, 04:39 PM

About the photos in the gallery, maybe we can have the poster's name somewhere so that we won?t have to guess who has posted the photos

silverblue

04-12-2003, 04:43 PM

Exactly!

also, the format of the gallery is really confusing.... really confusing...

masterof_none

05-12-2003, 02:19 AM

Exactly!

also, the format of the gallery is really confusing.... really confusing...

I agree with Silverblue. We'll write HOW-TO this weekend for temporary relieve.

Schye

05-12-2003, 11:16 PM

I suggest that maybe we should have a motto/slogan besides our visions. It will be easier for others to have a clear image on what kind of organization Recom is and I think it is necessary for an organization.

Schye

05-12-2003, 11:18 PM

One more, maybe it is time for us to have a Christmas card or New year card now :wink:

chenchow

05-12-2003, 11:40 PM

Yeah, definitely... Anyone knows how to design one? It would be great if some Recom members could come up with the design of Christmas Card or New Year Card.

silverblue

06-12-2003, 03:17 AM

Yeah, that is a great idea! :)

We can come up with a season greeting design competition!! :D
This is will members more incentive to participate! we can giveaway prizes ... hahaha for eg. two-day, one night free accomodation at Cornell University (i.e. bunk in my room.. hehehe :lol: )

j/k abt my room btw! :P

chenchow

06-12-2003, 04:32 AM

Yeah, I fully agree about the competition. May be we should set that competition up.

I think even if there is no "real" incentive for winners, the recognition by others that your design is the best is great too, and it could help boost the collection in our Creative Corner.

So, I would suggest the deadline be Dec 21st for Christmas Card. How do everyone think? Because dragging it later would mean it is too late.

screw3d

07-12-2003, 01:24 AM

The disclaimer in the Creative Corner is in ALL CAPS. This looks very unprofessional, as if some 10 yr old kid just learned how to type in IRC.

If you want to make a point, go ahead and use a strong and forceful language but please don't string everything together in caps!

DON'T USE ALL CAPS!! <-- Hope I got MY point across :P

screw3d

07-12-2003, 01:26 AM

masterof_none

07-12-2003, 01:34 AM

If you want to make a point, go ahead and use a strong and forceful language but please don't string everything together in caps!

DON'T USE ALL CAPS!! <-- Hope I got MY point across :P

I agree. In fact, Royston has pointed it out to me long time ago.

We'll change it. (btw,I follow the 'caps' style from Nextel's website)

jiinjoo

07-12-2003, 01:55 AM

I think the all caps is usually used to emphasize. If you read most license agreement (which I think none of us really do), you'll see a number of all caps paragraph. But these license agreement / disclaimer are usually written in a "different" language 8) you know, the kind lawyers use to sue you.

It would be friendlier if we have them in usual sentences, and maybe format it a little to emphasize a few things for those who only have a 2-second take on it.

royston

07-12-2003, 09:57 AM

What's up with the "Jump to:" thingy beneath the forums?
I tried accessing other forums from there and it tells me "Can't access this file directly blah blah blah". What's the point of it being there if we can't use it? (Or is it just me)

Yeah... Syam & Yusof, please take a look. Seems like this Jump to: can't function well.

Btw, the words that used in DISCLAIMER need to be changed as well. Anyone can help to take a look and give some idea? Cheryl, please help if possible. I have submitted 1 type to Syam but I don't know is it acceptable or not.

~ roy ~

silverblue

07-12-2003, 10:02 AM

Yeah, I will help look into that later ... :)

Oh yeah, I have a suggestion for the news section. Is it possible to include some pictures in the news articles posted? Cos I feel like the news corner would be enhanced if there were pictures like Miss World or the new Toilet Light Invention product there ;) It won't make the news look so dry too!

Schye

07-12-2003, 02:58 PM

By the way , i was thinking if it is possible for us to make a link at the news or make it can be used as what we can do in forum?

masterof_none

07-12-2003, 05:49 PM

royston

07-12-2003, 07:06 PM

By the way , i was thinking if it is possible for us to make a link at the news or make it can be used as what we can do in forum?
Schye, I'm not sure what do you mean. Do you mean make a link instead of having extended news?

Syam, I guess Schye meant was, make the news to be like our forum, we can post our idea/opinion/comments onto each news. Now we have a place to put comments for each news right? So I guess he wanted to do this like how we do for our forum.

If this is what he meant, I don't think so it is a good idea. I would rather we let the members to plug out whichever point they like to make comment and create a new forum and discuss about it... anyway, this is just my opinion.

~ roy ~

screw3d

07-12-2003, 08:20 PM

royston

07-12-2003, 08:24 PM

By the way , i was thinking if it is possible for us to make a link at the news or make it can be used as what we can do in forum?
I think what he meant was providing a direct link to the website with the news instead of just copying the text of the news to the server.

I think that's a good idea too. It's better to just read it from the source.

Haha Screw, seems like your translation make sense... :) Oh yeah, I recalled something. He did mention to me once when we chat in Yahoo Messenger. I guess Screw got the correct meaning. I believe this should be "kacang" for both our programmers, right Syam & Yusof?

~ roy ~

littlebigone

08-12-2003, 01:53 AM

that would be a good idea except that some new sites require memberships or payments to read archived news

so I guess whoever posts the thing needs to tell the admins if they need such a membership.

plus the links probably change when the site archives their news.
So then we can't archive the news on recom.

Does anyone know we have that feature?

silverblue

08-12-2003, 03:31 AM

I personally don't think we should provide links to the news on Recom. Doesn't that mean that we will have to go to the news websites to read those articles? Then we might as well just go to the respective news websites to read them rather than come here, rite? I think the current new format is good enough, and the source website is also provided anyways. The only thing that I feel lacking is the graphics part (pictures to complement the articles) as I'd mentioned before. Also, like I'd suggested before, we should make all the news lined up in boxes (sth that looks like the forum box layout with news headings). That would make the news look neater and not take up so much space. Other than that, I hope that Recom will still continue to provide news and not just put up a link to the website. :)

chenchow

08-12-2003, 07:54 AM

One thing that I am starting to do is just like usual add the news and if the topic related to the news are active in RECOM forum discussion. I would provide the links of the news in Recom at the forum discussion. What do you guys think of it?

masterof_none

08-12-2003, 08:05 AM

Also, like I'd suggested before, we should make all the news lined up in boxes (sth that looks like the forum box layout with news headings). That would make the news look neater and not take up so much space. Other than that, I hope that Recom will still continue to provide news and not just put up a link to the website. :)

what Silverblue just mentioned about the 'boxed' news was what I have in mind (sth like Yahoo news interface) , when me,Bachok and ChenChow were discussing about what our 'new' website is suppose to looks like (coz, I think the prev one was very unorganized one, in other words, uglier than this) last summer here in LA . But Bachok said that this is currently not possible yet, , due to time constraint present state of knowledge. (because new layout means that we need to create a new theme for PhP-Nuke)

But I think , if we want to re-create the whole new thing, we;ve got to have a team of programmers writing a new PHP-Nuke-like Content Management System, because, changing the present PhP-Nuke's code would also involves significant amount of time.

But I think if we can create a new thing that suit us, without relying on php-nuke, I think it would be better. we can shape our website according to our needs, without worrying about Nuke's licence and having unnecessary modules and annoying errors coming along (but, this also means, we need to test and debug all over again.) But I think it would be a hillarious experience.

ALso, it make it lot easier for us to integrate our NeXT generation service, the ReCoMmerce (recom e-commerce) into the website.

But we should keep our option open for now. See what;s the best solution for our present (screwed up) interface.

masterof_none

08-12-2003, 08:08 AM

Haha Screw, seems like your translation make sense... :) Oh yeah, I recalled something. He did mention to me once when we chat in Yahoo Messenger. I guess Screw got the correct meaning. I believe this should be "kacang" for both our programmers, right Syam & Yusof?

~ roy ~

eh, are you calling us? 8) .

yeah, the reason for the news being copied and paste is because we want to archive it. that's the reason. Also, we want to prevent the dead links.
I think for the time being, the news section is still OK.

jiinjoo

08-12-2003, 08:14 AM

I'd vote for what we currently have plus a better follow up forum.

Reason for cuting and pasting news: Better browsing feel. First I get to glance through the first paragraph of all the news posted, and then I choose which one I want to read, all done without leaving the recom look and feel. This generates a good feel and enhances the reading experience of the user. "Context switching" (not in the OS sense, but web browsing) is laboratorily proven to "hurt" the lay users.

To chenchow: I think we should consider enhancing the news reading experience instead of double posting. It will be good for now, especially those interesting ones.

But the link to the source is still important for those who wants
1. pictures (so how bad was the road slide anyway?)
2. authenticity (maybe someone made this up!)
3. related news (man this is cool, I wonder where I can find more news like these)

jiinjoo

08-12-2003, 08:17 AM

royston

08-12-2003, 09:24 AM

But I think if we can create a new thing that suit us, without relying on php-nuke, I think it would be better.

Golden rule of software development: If it works, don't fix it :wink:

I like http://news.google.com

I agree with you Jiin Joo but provided it really works. For the picture idea, this is depending on which news site you are choosing. Some of the news sites do not have picture. But if there is, I will prefer the outlook like: Pictures on top, news in the middle and comment(s) at the bottom of the page. Hopefully make the fonts bigger and in table-form like how Cheryl mentioned, not necessary to be exactly like our forum-style but at least both left and right have margins so that the news will looked tidy and well organized.

~ roy ~

chenchow

08-12-2003, 09:37 AM

One thing wonders me, how can we increase our members readership in the news article... Currently, although the readership is increasing by a lot, judging by the number of Recom members, I still think that it is a very small number. At last check, we have 263 reads this month (6.5 days) as of now. Comparing to October, we have about 600+ per month. November, we have 1252 (average 41.7 reads). That is a 100% increase. Comparing this month and November, we don't seem to have any increase.

Anyone has any idea, to make more people read the news?

As the saying goes, "Reading broadens one's mind", right?

What type of news do people want to read.

I would suggest that those who read could write some comments on the news and if possible rate the news. I find that those news with comments and ratings, seem to attract more readerships.

littlebigone

08-12-2003, 09:38 AM

are we trying to make our news articles and discussions somehting like slashdot's?

Schye

08-12-2003, 01:02 PM

By the way , i was thinking if it is possible for us to make a link at the news or make it can be used as what we can do in forum?

OK, it seems that my English is :roll:
Let me rephrase it.
I mean maybe we can have a link at somewhere of the news in Recom (so that those who want to read the news with pictures can go there, by just a click - those who are too lazy to copy the URL and paste in a new window.)

OR

Make it like our forum where we can use HTML code so that we can put the photos or having different font types to highlight the important parts of the news.

The news section now is OK but still has rooms to be improved. Just a suggestion though.

About having a forum for each news, I think it is not necessary. Maybe only those Sticky news.

chenchow

08-12-2003, 01:12 PM

Thanks Schye for the suggestion.

I will experiment with it, and will try to do it...

I manage to do it, but I think I will not really do it, unless a lot of people are supportive of it, as currently it takes me an hour or more to select about 10 news each day and post it. Adding this process will add another 10 minutes or so, but if many would like me to do that, I am definitely willing to do it.

Schye

08-12-2003, 10:44 PM

Another suggestion:

Maybe we can have a link to the introduce ourselves thread in the welcoming mail for those who just registered themselves.

ex:

introduce yourself here :arrow: http://www2.recom.org:8000/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=87#3281 to get more friends.

royston

09-12-2003, 09:43 AM

Good idea Ah Chye!!!

Well, I can think of two options:

1. Put a link directly in the user Home, somewhere near their name.
2. Put the Introduce Ourselves as a sticky in our main page.

How does it sound?

~ roy ~

chenchow

09-12-2003, 09:55 AM

Those are good suggestions... Hopefully we could implement that over the winter break...

On making it sticky at the main page, do anyone knows how to do it... littlebigone try with it, but it seems that it would only stay sticky within the subforum, but not with the entire forum... Anyone has any idea? If that could be done, it would be great!

chenchow

09-12-2003, 10:17 AM

For the common good, I have decided that if the link of news article has a photo or something which would be beneficial for people to visit and see, then the link will be a clickable link.

If the news article is fully copied into our news section, then the link would just be supplied and if you really want to see the news from the actual news source, then you need to copy and paste it.

I do so, with the suggestion from silverblue, so that it would fulfill the aspiration of many to view the pictures of the situation of the news and also so as not to burden me too much.

How do everyone think of this suggestion? ok?

Schye

09-12-2003, 02:04 PM

I think that is the best solution for now ;) until we come out with a new format.

Schye

09-12-2003, 05:31 PM

Notice: Account preferences are cookie based.
As a registered user you can:

Post comments with your name
Send news with your name <--- We still dont have this feature
Have a personal box in the Home
Select how many news you want in the Home
Customize the comments
Select different themes <--- :?:
Access to Downloads
Access to WebMail
Access to celcom
Access to maxis
Access to Games
Access to User's Custom Box
Access to Instant Messenger
Create your own Journal <--- just found that not more than 10 people are making use of it , maybe someone can explain what is it? a diary?
Read custom headlines
some other cool stuff...

Sorry for looking for these tiny mistakes.
I just hope that we can have a perfect next generation 8) and want to bring up some features that are not being used by most of the members.

chenchow

10-12-2003, 10:53 AM

Thanks Schye for bringing out those ideas! Those are fantastic ideas... We should include that in the coming video conferencing for anchors... Schye, remember to mention those then...

In fact, we have such features. Schye wrote "Send news with your name", we have that feature. Currently any of you submit a news and when I approve it, I will definitely add a sentence at the end say submitted by "__________" .

silverblue

10-12-2003, 05:35 PM

Not sure if this has been suggested before... but I feel it's really important that registered users (new and old) to be made to fill up important information such as these:

Real Full Name:
Preferred name:
Current Location:
Location of home:
Year of Birth and age:
Email add:
Nickname:
Password:
Major (or occupation):
Current High School/University/Company:
Sponsor (only applicable for those with scholarship):
Messengers (icq, msn, aim, yahoo etc):

Additional features (optional)
Contact number:
Address:
Date of Birth:
Interests:
Skills/Talent/Knowledge (eg CS knowledge):
Current Photograph:
Personal Homepage:
Education history (from high school onwards):

is there anything that I missed? or is this too much? ;)

For already registered members, we can send out an email to all our 600 over users to update their information on Recom. With more information, I believe people will start taking Recom more seriously (because we are no longer anonymous) and also because there will be a real opportunity to network here. Furthermore, these information should be put on each members official profile so that when we click on the person's nickname, we are atomatically directed to his/her biodata. That way, we don't even have to keep on reminding and pleading people to go to the 'Intro Forum' just to introduce themselves. ;) I believe this is an important issue that should be addressed during the Anchor's conference too..

__earth

10-12-2003, 05:45 PM

I don't think those should be made compulsary. It's mostly personal information and not all people, especially libertarians are comfortable about sharing it.

retroque

10-12-2003, 06:47 PM

well..i guess some of it should be made compulsory..but which one?i dunno.and i guess some of us are reluctant to tell personal stuff espcially on the net eh.dunno whos gonna lurk behind..hehe

Schye

10-12-2003, 11:58 PM

Maybe we can have all those info but just for the use of Recom which are not posted to public. I myself usually don?t share my email address in public or I will post it as ...@<hidden> so that I won?t get a lot of junk mails.
About personal details, I think everyone may choose what they want to share with others. Maybe we can make most of it optional while making only Name(used in forum), current location, hometown, major/occupation and messengers.
We may have a list for them to choose from so that there wont be any nonsense there(hehe....again syam and bachok for Java script) and it could be used to group our members into location/hometown/major etc so that those who want to look for help or friends can find those who suit them the best easily.
For example,
A guy from Sabah who wants to further his studies to Africa can ask fro help from the members from Sabah or are in Africa :wink:

silverblue

11-12-2003, 01:33 AM

Okay, I agree that some of the information are personal and people might not wanna disclose them.

Therefore, why don't we keep some these 'compulsory' registration details confidential (visible to mebbe only 1 or 2 of recom's admins)? These will include emails (if you are not comfortable with disclosing it), age, address, tel etc. The important thing is that at least the Admin have access to these information in case of emergency or whatever.

However, I don't see why putting ur real name and location down would be a problem. It should be made required. What have you got to hide anyway? I feel that this is the same for you major, current institution, etc.

Of course all the other fields can be made optional. I believe there are people who are willing to share them.
;)

Just a suggestion. Feedback is good though!

chenchow

11-12-2003, 02:02 AM

Personally, I don't see the information of age, tel, address important

But I think having the major, current uni/college/company, location as rather important.

And we could have many fields which are optional for people to add...

jiinjoo

11-12-2003, 02:15 AM

However, I don't see why putting ur real name and location down would be a problem.
Maybe some people don't like their real name? Or they have an alternate ego when they are on the net and do not wish to associate his or her real life with his or her cyberspace identity? I know one or two people who gets furious when I ask them (over icq for example) for their real name, they might just go "oh, erm that's not important" or "My name is _@<hidden>$#%Kit%#$@<hidden> isn't it?" or something like that.

demographic information nevertheless useful. One thing I can do is to use their IP address to guess where they are from, and present them with something funny that will incite them to say - "No leh, I'm actually from here". It is a best effort thing coz it is not accurate. [to techie junkie: I know of some limited free service (like location.com.my gives you 20 lookups a day + quite manual), if you know other better ones (can communicate in xml for example) let me know.]

Ideally, in a world full of constraints, it is better to let people have freedom - freedom to disclose, freedom of choice. If for some odd reason because we require a person to disclose his real identity, and the person decided that it was just not worth the effort, we might have just lost one excellent source of information. Having a unique identifier for each member and monitoring their behavior on this forum is sufficient.

Who knows, someday after feeling more comfortable, these people might add more information so that we get to know each other better?

(to sliverblue: of course, this shouldn't stop you from charming them and soliciting their phone numbers.... :P just joking don't hit me)

jiinjoo

11-12-2003, 04:23 AM

Think I found my own answer
http://www.geobytes.com/FreeServices.htm

royston

11-12-2003, 09:22 AM

I agree with what JiinJoo said. Some of our members may have their personal "cyber-life" which they don't wish to disclose it.

But... as long as we put all the options in, to whom they wish to share, they can put down their info and for those who don't feel comfortable, they may skip it.

For those important/personal information like Real Name, Phone # and so on, I agree what Cheryl suggested, users still freely key in their info but those info will only be available for the admins.

~ roy ~

screw3d

11-12-2003, 12:06 PM

There should NEVER be a requirement to disclose personal information. Furthermore, there is also no practical way to enforce this. If I tell you that my name is John, you'll have to take my word for it. What would you do if someone refuses to disclose his/her real identity? Refuse him/her membership? Ban him/her?

You can verify my identity by requesting the me to send a photocopied ID, but that'll be a draconian measure and we have absolutely no need to do that.

screw3d

11-12-2003, 12:08 PM

OTOH, I also support the proposal that we do NOT allow anonymous postings. I am 100% positive that as this place grows, it is inevitable that some trolls would be tempted to post a bunch of crap here or worse, start advertising in these forums.

Schye

11-12-2003, 05:02 PM

I think certain personal info is needed or else everyone could just post as anonymousI think it will be useful for Recom admins to sort out the member list and are useful when when organising an activity such as when deciding the location etc.

Maybe we can make most of it optional while making only Name(used in forum), current location, hometown, major/occupation and messengers.

want to correct me sentence up there.It should be

Maybe we can make most of them optional while making only Name(used in forum), current location, hometown, major/occupation and messengers shown to public.

You may lie but at least it makes your post/opinions to have more "mass" than those anonymous post and your opinion will get more attention/respect.

silverblue

11-12-2003, 05:35 PM

QUOTE
"My name is Diesel El Kerosene
Location : I'm everywhere, I'm even in your dream
Age :20
Education :
I didn't go to tadika.
Primary:SKWM(1) and (2)
HS: Sekolah Ahmad Sa'idon
College: One of PAC-10 colleges
Political Belief: Undecided
......who wants to know me anyway"

See what I mean when things like name or location is not required? I know people what their own privacy and stuff, but is this what recom is all about? Anonimity? I mean, one of our purposes here is to network, besides learning from others and sharing etc, so if you keep totally anonymous, wouldn't ur image and opnions be kinda sketchy? The post above, although intended to be funny or jocular, felt somewhat scoffing. I know we have the freedom to choose what we want to do, but I feel that by disclosing our real name, like what Scyhe said, ur posts will gain more credibility and respect or sth like that. If we don't know where the opinion is coming from, it wouldn't help with Recom's visions.... Well of course we can put our nickname upfront, but ur real name should also be available somewhere (however secret it is).

To Diesel:
No offense here... but I really think if you wanna introduce yourself, you should do it in a non-sarcastic way ;) You are totally wrong in thinking that no one wants to know you... I want to for sure! :P

littlebigone

11-12-2003, 05:51 PM

i think that we should definitely make the space for such information to be filled out. However, I think none should be compulsory except nickname and password.

I think we should however make it so that people know where to go when they want to input their information. I think if people are ready to let us know more about themselves, then they will do it. However we should make it easy for them to do it. Make it obvious where to go to input their data.

Also, I think this has been said before, new members should maybe be directed to the introduce ourselves thread.

Schye

11-12-2003, 10:52 PM

We may have a list for them to choose from so that there wont be any nonsense there(hehe....again syam and bachok for Java script) and it could be used to group our members into location/hometown/major etc so that those who want to look for help or friends can find those who suit them the best easily.
For example,
A guy from Sabah who wants to further his studies to Africa can ask fro help from the members from Sabah or are in Africa :wink:

Sorry for quoting my own posts :? But I really think maybe we should have a list to be chosen from for the details.
for example: we may have a list of country name for them to choose, so they will need to choose one from it and we may avoid getting an answer like I am in heaven.We may add a column at the back of the country name for those who want to include more details.

This may be implemented to sex, occupation, education level, age and etc.

We may have none of them compulsory, but for those who want to share their details, then it should be a proper one :wink: which means not for others to fill whatever they want.

chenchow

12-12-2003, 01:39 AM

agree with what littlebigone said, we should make the place for members to add their personal information obvious and hopefully more people will add their information, after seeing the discussion here!

Zjellen

12-12-2003, 02:36 AM

Hello all,

After reading the suggestions and ideas on Recom Buy and Sell, I came up with an idea that I would like to share with you all.

I know that Recom has an e-learning section especially for open course notes and lecturers from various universities. But, the prospect of Recom owning it's own e-tutorials will be more fulfilling. That will be like a challenge/project for all of us to develop something we can proudly call our own,created by Recom, whereby, I also believe, will be an extremely intellectually stimulating and fulfilling process. This will of course be an ongoing process, where the site will be daily updated and improved with new materials/tutorials. Maybe this could be the next tangible project? :D

:D Here's the idea.
Recom can set up another forum or a site dedicated to Recom-Tutorials. This site will not only provide programming tutorials[Recom also provide Java programming tutorials] but also other help and guidance in other subjects like economics, history, etc. That way, members who want to e-learn can look through archives or examples to help them in their learning process. The site can also feature recommended reference books. Perhaps, thesis or papers can also be uploaded here[I learnt that Recom members also have their art works and papers already uploaded in the Creative Corner].

Im sure you guys know of the MIT Open CourseWare programme right? Perhaps Recom should do something similar like that but of course with other technologies n tools n resources that superceeds theirs. :D
Who knows where might we take it from here? A Recom developed on-line course material? :D :D :D :D

What say you all?

Regards,
Zjellen

chenchow

12-12-2003, 07:31 AM

Zjellan,

Thanks a lot for your suggestion! Those are fantastic suggestions! Sorry for having fewer and slower response lately, as students in many countries, esp US are having final exams currently. I hope you understand and you would continue to support Recom!!! I am pretty sure that the activity of Recom would increase tremendously in 10 days' time.

Having our own e-tutorials section would be great. Do you foresee us having that for SPM level or at tertiary level. Personally, I think if all of us would like to start this project of maintaining a corner for SPM students, that would be fantastic! and We can go out and send feelers to high schools around Malaysia. I am sure many will be attracted to join!

The MIT Open Courseware is part of our e-learning section, but in fact, many universities have been doing that for some time, albeit lack of promotion only. We are constantly improving the materials available in our e-learning section.

On your suggestion that we have a section called Recom Tutorials in forum. I would suggest that those of you who have questions could ask the questions under the category of education currently and once we have seen quite a good demand (and hopefully it won't be long), we would start out a section on it and move those discussion to the right section. I think it would be better this way, as we can see what's everyone's interests.

Hope to see more people having more opinions. Recom Anchors promise to revamp Recom over this winter break. So, hopefully more idea, more opinions, more suggestions will come in and together, lets make a change.

To those still having exam, good luck!

screw3d

13-12-2003, 11:13 PM

As I was about to post this (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/12/12/magnetic.poles.ap/index.html) article from CNN, I noticed this line at the bottom (bold added for emphasis):

Copyright 2003 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

From the way we are publishing the news now, I believe we are infringing on some copyright laws here. It might not be such an issue right now because our site is still relatively unknown, but this might be a cause for concern later on.

This is also one of the reasons I suggested earlier on that we should just post a link to the news and maybe just publish an excerpt.

chenchow

13-12-2003, 11:16 PM

Thanks screw3d for pointing out.

What do others think of it?

One of the reasons we do not merely put a link on the news, would be that most news links would not be accessible after a few days.

Do anyone knows whether newspapers like Star, NST, ST etc, where most of our articles came from, have such a clause?

Hope to hear more opinions from others...

topdog

14-12-2003, 02:36 AM

Good call screwed. I never actually thought about that. But i think you're right, we may be violating copyright laws. Websites with the same concept as this one do not cut and paste articles, like slashdot and fark.com. Google News also doesn't.

littlebigone

14-12-2003, 04:16 AM

Maybe we could have something like

"John doe wrote that he read in CNN that scientist in Malaysia have managed to make monkeys dance like Michael Jackson!!! THe monkeys are now being bred to be exported to Japan!!! Read more of the news at linky"

That way, people who submit the news have to practice their skills at summarizing the article. It helps them develop critical reading and writing skills and we do not violate any copyright.

Also, people who are lazy to read the full article can still just read it here.

silverblue

14-12-2003, 04:29 AM

nahh... I think that would be too time consuming and it definitely involves too much effort... (esp in making sure ur summary is understandable etc...). Subsequently, this will delay news posting and the news will become obselete when it finally gets posted. Also, I don't think we should encourage people to read news off our summaries cos they wouldn't get the extra benefits of reading the full-length news.

Maybe we can approach TheStar and NST during winter and ask them for permission to copy and paste their news. Afterall, we were already planning to tell them of our website, weren't we? If they endorse our site, then I am sure they'll be willing to let us use their news. Moreover, we always quote our sources and include the name of the author in their news, right? If we seek official permission, is there any reason why they wouldn't grant us that request?

littlebigone

14-12-2003, 06:31 AM

I doubt they would let us do that but we could try anyway. Somehow I htink that people visiting their site is important as most of their revenue comes for ads and not from actually selling the news.

chenchow

14-12-2003, 09:38 AM

yeah, that is a good point...

oops, i just send an email to a freelance of NSTP about Recom, after reading on his article of Committed to Excellence. He is currently someone who works at i-prestige, but he was formerly working at NSTP.

screw3d

14-12-2003, 12:39 PM

I doubt they would let us do that but we could try anyway. Somehow I htink that people visiting their site is important as most of their revenue comes for ads and not from actually selling the news.
I agree with that. In fact I don't think they'll allow anything that can potentially divert their customer base.

silverblue

14-12-2003, 03:12 PM

topdog

14-12-2003, 03:32 PM

I guess I missed out on previous discussions regarding publicizing recom. How do you guys intend to do that?

I'm not getting something here...exactly how would this news issue affect any publicity drive you have in mind?

What actually is the purpose of pasting whole articles in the news section besides saving one or two clicks of the mouse? If you're thinking of archiving them for future perusal, then I think you're definitely talking copyright laws here...

Best solution: link! :)

screw3d

14-12-2003, 04:03 PM

If that's the case, then does this also imply that we will NOT be able to publicize or introduce our website to TheStar or NSTP as originally planned?

Personally, I always feel that 'nothing is impossible'. If we have a good proposal, a good reason, a good deal and a good approach, I am sure we can find our way around the block. Don't make this our stumbling block, but make it our stepping stone! ;)

We'll figure something out. News @<hidden> Recom is as important as its forums....

.....which is why I think we need more constructive suggestions from people about how to tackle this issue... :)
No no no no.. the publication of our site has got nothing to do with this. This copyright issue a seperate matter.. we just need to sort this out so as not to get on anybody's wrong side.

The publication/introduction of our site can still go on as planned <=- we need a new thread on that.. I have absolutely no idea what's happening here.

littlebigone

14-12-2003, 05:27 PM

the publicizing recom discussion was under another thread where we were discussing how to make recom tangible.

http://www2.recom.org:8000/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=93

silverblue

14-12-2003, 06:05 PM

No no no no.. the publication of our site has got nothing to do with this. This copyright issue a seperate matter.. we just need to sort this out so as not to get on anybody's wrong side.

I understand what you are trying to say, but we have to be aware that if we do publicize Recom.org to TheStar and NSTP (eg. to possibly obtain a column of our own) we will have to tell them what Recom is about and obviously give them our url. So, when they visit our site and see their news copied and pasted, I think the same issue will arise, wouldn't it?
This is what I meant when I said that if this 'copyright' issue is not resolved, then it would be difficult for us to approach the local papers.

So, I hope that you will realize that these two issues are indeed not two separate issues.

silverblue

14-12-2003, 06:08 PM

huilinchin

14-12-2003, 06:16 PM

I agree with Silverblue.

Also, in the downloads section, there are a few downloads that are downloaded from recom server such as Spybot instead of pointing to the website where the shareware can be legally downloaded like www.download.com

I really don't think we should save sharewares in recom server. It looks like we are distributing the sharewares although we include information like the url.

Also, I am not comfortable with the SMS service. It says that the service is presented by Recom and Recom just displays the tags of Maxis, Celcom, etc. It is not clear who sponsors the SMS service in Recom to me.

Maybe we should solve the copyrights problem before we market recom to the media. It's better to have late marketing than a bad one.

Since most of us are busy with exams, maybe winter break is a great time to make a change. :)

-Hui Lin ^_^

huilinchin

14-12-2003, 06:20 PM

Maybe we should put Source:URL at the very top of every article to make it obvious where the source comes from.

Then followed by the copy-paste of the whole article.
Then followed by the name of the person who submitted the article.

Then disclaimer.

I think this is legal because if Google can extract parts of the article to be shown on news.google.com, followed by the links of the news, I am sure putting source links, full article, name of person who submit and disclaimer would be sufficient.

-Hui Lin ^_^

huilinchin

14-12-2003, 06:25 PM

Or better still, instead of making all the headlines of the news unclickable, make it clickable just like google, but let it open a new browser for that instead.

-Hui Lin ^_^

Schye

14-12-2003, 07:14 PM

Regarding putting up 'links' as a solution, I agree that this will definitely resolve most of our problems. However, I just feel that this should be our last resort. This is because I feel that the cut and paste of those news articles adds to Recom's unique features. There is no harm trying to approach these papers to seek for their official permission, is there? ;)

I think if we just copy parts of the article, then it should be no problem as for those who are interested in it, they will need to go to the page through the link we have. It will be like free promotion for them. However I personally think it will be difficult to get the permission to paste the whole article in Recom.

chenchow

14-12-2003, 10:15 PM

On having the URL clickable directly to the newspaper, the only problem is the archiving issue. Most newspapers only allow access up to 7 days. So, anything beyond the 7 days will not be able to be accessed if we just directly link their URL.

Yeah, I agree that it is better safe than sorry.

I think that before we approach the newspaper on the copyright issue, we really need to solve a lot of issues. Lets thrash out all these issues over the winter break!

__earth

15-12-2003, 01:04 PM

how about a site map? or a forum map?
It's tough to find a particular thread with all the subcategories.

Unless of course, the admin beat me to it and it's simply me too lazy to find it.

chenchow

15-12-2003, 01:55 PM

I agree with _earth that it is rather difficult to find where each thread sits... Having a map would be great and I think the map should be some kind of dynamic, so that whenever any kind of topic added, it would be easy to find...

chenchow

15-12-2003, 02:03 PM

In fact, I would like those who try to find a certain thread or a certain phrase being discussed, use the Search in the forum. The "Search" function is at every page of Forum and it is very useful! Just try it! The same goes for the search function at weblinks. It is very useful!

screw3d

15-12-2003, 04:02 PM

This is a small issue but.. could the admins make "www.recom.org' as the default main domain instead of "www2.recom.org:8000"?

It looks kinda ugly IMO and find it weird why should the main site be handled by the www2 subdomain. I'm sure it's pretty easy to implement that unless there's a specifc reason this happens (server location?).

chenchow

15-12-2003, 11:10 PM

screw3d, this will be relayed to bachok83 (yusuf) and masterofnone(syamsul). You know them personally right? Since they are also at USC, just let them know! I am sure they are able to do it, unless there is a certain reason why it can't be done...

Good suggestion!

royston

15-12-2003, 11:33 PM

Wow chenchow, a few more good inputs huh?

1. Newspaper page, link vs cut&paste
I have read through one of the news page, which is nstp.com.my. You may refer to the page below, Item 2:
http://www.emedia.com.my/Services/termsrev_html
And Question 14 for the FAQ:
http://www.emedia.com.my/Services/faqrev_html

Another "Terms of Use" from The Star site:
http://www.thestar.com.my/info/terms.asp

Seems like we have done something against the copyright law... Anyway, I have sent out a mail to The Star and asked them about the approval of sharing their news in a public forum, but I didn't mention which forum we are from, just try to understand what are their procedures of getting the permission of news sharing from their page.

I know a lot of members have suggested a lot of options which try to get Recom out of the copyright problems, but I believe the BEST way is approaching the owner for the respective news-site owner, agree? We might think that putting a link, summarize the news, mentioning the name/author of the news and so forth will be OK but again... the Terms of Use are different from site to site, I am sorry that I made an approach to The Star before getting the permission from the Recom board.

2. Site Map
I agree with this but again, currently Recom has a lot of features and so on, if we design a site map for it, will it be too "complicated" when a new user refers to the map? No doubt, this is a good suggestion, so, as long as we design the site-map properly, make it more user-friendly, that will definitely help.

3. www.recom.org vs www2.recom.org:8000
Well, when I firstly joined Recom, I used to memorize the www2 URL... :lol: After that when I got to know that these 2 URL are actually pointing to the same page, I used the simple one. I don't really feel uncomfortable seeing this www2 appeared when I typed in www.recom.org but a little bit funny though. The change of www2 to www may not be a MUST but if we can do it and time consumed for this modification is not much, I would agree with screw3d, let's change it.

4. Search column
To make a powerful "search" engine, I don't think so it is simple. A powerful search engine will be something intelligent and precise. But since Recom has so many talented ppl here, I don't think so this is one of the difficult job to do... :wink:

I have a question. A lot of suggestions have been given in this forum, anyone captured down all of them? Besides this forum, suggestions also been provided in other forums. If we can have someone to help capture down the points, it will make our meeting smooth and efficient :wink:

~ roy ~

screw3d

16-12-2003, 12:03 AM

4. Search column
To make a powerful "search" engine, I don't think so it is simple. A powerful search engine will be something intelligent and precise. But since Recom has so many talented ppl here, I don't think so this is one of the difficult job to do...
I think the search engine is built-in the phpBB engine.. it's not that easy to modify the search capabilities but certainly not impossible.

One problem with news is that many news sites often buy news from agencies like Associated Press and Reuters for their news.. and I have no idea if this would affect our permissions to use the news in any way.

chenchow

16-12-2003, 05:14 AM

The Search built in by the PhpBB engine is pretty good and more than sufficient for our usage... Just give it a try....

Royston, thanks a lot for your effort. Lets see what is their response and we could move on from there...

Yeah, it would be great if there would be people who would be able to sum up as many points or suggestions being brought forward, so that the meeting would be more successful!

it is very sad that i would be on the plane, when the meeting happens... but definitely believe that it would be great! anyway, thanks to syamsul for going to fetch me from LA airport during my transit, hopefully can get some more discussion on Recom done at LA with Syamsul, Yusuf, JiinJoo(when will u be in LA?) and others... Good job guys!

silverblue

18-12-2003, 12:08 PM

Someone just forwarded me this site... seems another student-based site...

http://www.student.com.my/home.shtml

Haven't quite looked at it yet (finals not over yet mah... sigghh..), but I'll post it first so that ppl can take a look at it and see what kind of features they have. I think looking up on other similar sites is a good way to improve Recom. I am not saying that we copy their features, layout or ideas, but it's a good way to look-see-look-see around to get more ideas, creativity, etc. We'll definitely get a sense of what we are lacking or what we have an edge in. ;)

So, if you manage to find a similar student networking site, do post it here so that we can all take a look at them to compare/contrast - it will be helpful in our process of implementing Recom's new look after winter break! ;)

__earth

18-12-2003, 04:21 PM

the shoutbox doesn't accept uppercase letters, or rather it converts uppercase to lowercase. It would be nice is the uppercase stays as uppercase.

and the smilies are ugly! is there a way to get new ones?

though i like this one -> 8)

littlebigone

18-12-2003, 04:26 PM

is a copyright issue to use yahoo's smilies? I like their smilies...especially the secret ones. I think it wouldn't be a problem hacking the code to accept new smilies.

screw3d

18-12-2003, 05:05 PM

is a copyright issue to use yahoo's smilies? I like their smilies...especially the secret ones. I think it wouldn't be a problem hacking the code to accept new smilies.
Yeah.. the smileys now suck. I am pretty sure those smileys are copyrighted. Maybe what we can do it get member contributions for our very own smileys :D <- yuck.

Schye

18-12-2003, 07:47 PM

royston

18-12-2003, 09:52 PM

Someone just forwarded me this site... seems another student-based site...

http://www.student.com.my/home.shtml

It seems that their forum is too messy and too many unnecessary threads. :arrow: Maybe we could learn how to avoid becoming like that. :wink: .

Well I agree with Seng Chye. Basically I found a couple of weak point which Recom does not have (thank God!!):

1. Improper column arrangement
There are 4 columns in the main page, the vertical Menu is designed in such a way that made visitors confused that it is part of the data in the other 3 columns. The height of each section in 2nd column is not matched with the 3rd one and also the column width of 2nd, 3rd and 4th column is not balanced as well.

2. Too colorful
It is not advisable to use so may type of colors. This will give a wrong impression to visitors that this is one of the kids' web. Besides, it is kinda difficult to differenciate the content of each section.

3. Discussion Forum
Too many categories have been made. At the first glance, I do not know which section/forum has been recently replied or viewed. Managing such forum board may easily get out of control.

4. Advertisement.
No doubt, if you wish to go for free webspace, advertisement is expected but try to find the webspace which will not have too many advertisement or so, kinda annoying.

I am so glad that I don't see these things in Recom. For the Item 4 above, it is still acceptable if the design of the webpage is good and properly arranged. Anyone who has read through the URL given by Cheryl and if you found anything good for Recom to improve, please voice out.

Thanks,
~ roy ~

3.

asterixius

19-12-2003, 04:46 PM

i think the best way to improve this community is make it as a malaysian community....i mean....not just use english ,but try to use malays tooo.....so we can call this web as a malaysian website.....

EDIT by qedx: please dont use all caps. it annoys me.

qedx

19-12-2003, 04:55 PM

i dont think it is really a problem if you want to use english or malay at the forums or shoutbox. the decision to make the site in english is to make the site accessible to a wider audience (ya ada orang malaysia yang tak berapa reti bahasa melayu :P). it is also an attempt for us to improve our own english.

Schye

23-12-2003, 08:21 AM

the decision to make the site in english is to make the site accessible to a wider audience (ya ada orang malaysia yang tak berapa reti bahasa melayu :P).

I think that is not the main point we are having the site in English. I believe that there are more people who know Malay language better than English as our education system is based on Malay language :wink:

However, I agree that it help us to improve our English a lot and in fact, to move Malaysia towards the world, English is more useful than Malay language as an international language. Maybe that is what makes our sites different from other (kalo pakai BM ,ramai plak yang pakai bhs pasor nih - sbb aku sure takkan ada orang pakai bhs baku :wink: )

taufiq

23-12-2003, 10:22 AM

i agree that we encourage the use of english as the medium

just don't start blaming people who write in malay
encourage them to be with us

jiinjoo

23-12-2003, 05:51 PM

A quick note on the www2.recom.org:8000 thingy:

:8000 is an artifact of using the USC network for our server. From what I understand, USC blocked port 80 webservers from their dorms. So we have to serve on a different port. I'm not sure about why we have www2 instead of www though...

Can't wait to see some of you tomorrow night! Have been enjoying myself in LA with Professor Hasran 8) And KuDos to whoever that altered the front portion - I can finally See "What is recom.org" when I first come onto the gateway page :wink:

screw3d

25-12-2003, 03:33 PM

Mods, this thread should get a "Sticky" so it wouldn't get bumped down.

screw3d

27-12-2003, 02:49 AM

One of the forum titles is spelled wrong... it's "overclocking" not "overcloking".

bachok83

27-12-2003, 05:37 AM

oic... gonna fix it... and fixed.. thanks for the info

luke

27-12-2003, 09:04 AM

I HAVE A GOOD NEWS !!!

Syamsul, Bachok and I are working on the new Creative Corner ... in fact the thing is already finished and ready to be launched at any time ... but before we do that, we hope that if any of you have some suggestions plz feel free to post them here ... We're sorry we can't show you the thing yet but here are some of the features:

- submission form: you can submit your stuff and have it displayed right away
- comment: you can post comments for the stuff submitted by our members (I'm currently working on this feature)
- ban: yes, we now ban ppl .. sorry guys the submission form requires us to have this feature to ensure that ppl take serious of the creative corner but don't worry the banning only applies to the submission form .. banned ppl can still view others' stuff and post comments

- I'm still thinking about a "search" function but maybe later since it's not so important. Tell me if you think otherwise ...

Hope to hear something from you guys ...

silverblue

29-12-2003, 09:01 PM

Luke, the new Creative Corner is looking good! Kudos to Luke, Syamsul and Bachok for a job well done!

screw3d

04-01-2004, 02:41 AM

About the Creative Corner.. can we have some sorta thumbnail of the artwork instead of just the Mona Lisa pic?

Another thing.. I wish we can thoroughly revamp the forums. My previous suggestion that there are too many forums now still stands. Can't we just start small and add more forums as needed? As of now many forums have just a handful of threads and are hardly accessed at all.

luke

04-01-2004, 03:08 AM

the thumbnail thing is very easy to do since I already installed the script that does the thumbnailing for images larger than 500 pixels in width ... however there are some limitations:

1) No GIF support
2) Some of the artworks are submitted as PDFs.
3) Unpredictable images dimensions (might be vertically tall or horizontally long .. )

So instead of having thumbnails for some artworks while the Mona Lisa icon for GIFs and PDFs, I think it would be better to leave it as it is right now ... of course we can also do the thumbnailing manually using photoshop or whatever gfx programs but that would downgrade the new creative corner to the old one, where things were done manually ... we want the new creative corner to require as little administrative work as possible ..

that's a good suggestion though ..

luke

04-01-2004, 03:17 AM

mm on second thought maybe we could implement that suggestion. But we have to only allow JPG and PNG (just like our gallery) and disallow GIF and PDF for the artworks section (except for URL and text submissions) ... that would mean we have to convert silverblue's PDF to JPG ... mmm is it ok, Syam? Bachok?

screw3d

04-01-2004, 03:33 AM

Why would anybody want to submit graphics in acrobat? For a complete document with complex text and graphics, it's understandable. But for just plain graphics, a JPEG would do.

luke

04-01-2004, 04:29 AM

don't ask me because I didn't send them ... but we do have artworks in pdf ...

__earth

04-01-2004, 06:49 AM

IMO, threads should not be locked.

chenchow

04-01-2004, 01:59 PM

screw3d, thanks a lot for your suggestion, but we feel that with more threads, that would allow ppl to go directly to a more specific topic.

thirdshifter and littlebigone have worked a lot on the forum, so it would be great if you could discuss with them to further improve the forum.

kelvinlym

04-01-2004, 06:43 PM

this thread is getting a bit long, but anyway here's my suggestion on improving the site

i feel that the registering process is too simple. u should have more particulars to fill such as "current place of study" or something to at least prove you are a Malaysian.

it won't seem to be a problem now but when the site grows, some gatecrashers will come in and ruin the "Made in Malaysia" environment that this site provides.

Of course, we should welcome others but maybe have a different membership status or something like that?

b3ng_han

04-01-2004, 07:08 PM

Chen Chow, if there is anything i could help , please PM me .. TQ ..

chenchow

04-01-2004, 10:30 PM

Thanks kelvinlym on your suggestion, huilinchin is working on it. If you would like to work together with her on that aspect, please PM her.

b3ng_han, thanks a lot for your offer of help. If you determine any aspect of Recom that you could help to improve, just let us know by shouting it out here, or send a PM to masterof_none or bachok83 or even me. Thanks.

__earth

02-03-2004, 09:33 AM

I think admin should delete old threads or reopen all of it.

Secondly, I think admin should close all old threads that have only one or two thread.

__earth

02-03-2004, 09:33 AM

I think admin should delete old threads or reopen all of it.

Secondly, I think admin should close all old threads that have only one or two thread.

chenchow

02-03-2004, 10:10 AM

I would agree that old threads that have only one or two threads be closed down.

On the proposal that we should either delete old threads or reopen all of it, I think the reason we lock it, is so that although some issues are no longer discussed, others who just joined or others who would like to do some research on the topic could read what that had been discussed. That's my personal view point.

What is others' take on this?

chenchow

02-03-2004, 10:10 AM

budakkerek

02-03-2004, 05:05 PM

maybe old threads that are no longer active can be deleted. But why not ask for the consent of the one who started the thread (for e.g i started the "Party in msia" thread. before deleting, ask whether i mind/not)..juz the polite thing to do lei? :lol:

We don't want any trouble afterwards right? or hv this "delet topic" option on, so the ones who started the topic can delete em themselves. or after some period of inactivity, topics can be deleted from the main board. How's that?

But still, admin has the rights. I hv no probbie w dat.

budakkerek

02-03-2004, 05:05 PM

littlebigone

03-03-2004, 01:48 AM

I agree with chen chow. Old threads should be locked but the contents are for all to see. This would allow us to have some document of what we say and also if the discussion was very technical and had a lot of information, it would be a good source for research. Maybe if we liked someones point of view we could even contact that person to get further elaboration.

my 2 sen

littlebigone

03-03-2004, 01:48 AM

__earth

03-03-2004, 06:37 AM

well, though i agree with chenchow that some of the old threads do have some information, i believe by locking it, we are not allowing ppl to contribute to the expansion of the idea. It's would be better to reopen the threads.

Furthermore, by reopening all the thread, maybe we could solve the problem of opening redundant threads.

__earth

03-03-2004, 06:37 AM

luke

05-03-2004, 03:37 AM

Furthermore, by reopening all the thread, maybe we could solve the problem of opening redundant threads.
Not all redundant threads are opened because the old thread are locked ... some us just love to open new threads for example to post jokes one thread for each joke ... also, some of us are just too lazy to check if a thread is already opened for the topic we want to talk about ...

luke

05-03-2004, 03:37 AM

chenchow

05-03-2004, 03:50 AM

Anyone has any suggestion of solutions to it...?

I think we are pretty much open for any good suggestions...

chenchow

05-03-2004, 03:50 AM

Anyone has any suggestion of solutions to it...?

I think we are pretty much open for any good suggestions...

budakkerek

05-03-2004, 01:37 PM

some us just love to open new threads for example to post jokes one thread for each joke ... also, some of us are just too lazy to check if a thread is already opened for the topic we want to talk about ...

i know what you mean LOL

it's kinda a hassle to look thru all the threads to find out whether got any old threads that's related to a new topic we wanna post..

Maybe we hv a very very long page of all the forums, and the threads in em, but do a hyperlink or sthing, so you can juz click on em n it'll go straight to the thread you want?

not that now it's not good, but kinda memeningkan..dunno where to look for what.

maybe a long list is easier..you juz hv to scroll down, no need to click on anything, only click on what you want..

Hmm..am i making sense here? (me oso pening sudah!)

Anyway, my 2cents!

budakkerek

05-03-2004, 01:37 PM