yuckfou
30-06-2005, 12:23 AM
Geez... I never thought malaysian graduates are very picky when it come to jobs. I got this title from yesterday's star paper. Well, I have to say that any fresh graduates are under paid and there's nothing much that anyone can do about it. I guess it's either you take the job or leave it for someone else to fill it up.
I guess better paying jobs are at american corporations. But that's not necessary true. However, I know Intel, Sony and Agilent in Penang pays between 2.2K - 2.8K for fresh graduates. Well, that's the payscale for engineers, I think.
I guess one thing fresh graduates need to understand is that you can't really expect a good pay because you don't have any working experience to begin with. Academic experience is good, but does not guarantee a high paying job. A college degree these days is just sufficient to get to the employer's door for an interview. There are so many fresh graduates everywhere. You'll have to prove yourself valuable to the employer and why they should hire you against another 50 people who is waiting in line for the job.
It's simple economics. More supply than demand. That's why the pay is low. If an employer is need of your skill badly, they'll definitely pay more than the other companies. I guess it's more than just the attitude of the graduates that make them jobless.
As a fresh graduate, you have to understand your limitation (what you possess and what you don't). I got this quote from the star paper. It is so unprofessional of fresh graduates to do any of these.
"About 30% of the applicants never followed up on their applications, 10% failed to attend interviews, and another 10% did not turn up after accepting their offers."
The world of business and engineering is very small. Trust me on this. Even though you get a job with a company, there is always a chance you will bump into your previous employer or deal with your previous companies that you have worked for. This is reality. Professionalism and appearance are important. It reflects who you really are. If you intend to reject an interview or a job offer, I would suggest that you contact the company and politely decline the offer.
If you spend too much unnecessary time looking for a high paying jobs, you might lose out to other candidates who has taken up a lower paying job. Why? Because these people have gained the working experience ahead of time of you. They are more valuable to other companies compared to all jobless fresh graduate who's waiting for an employer to offer him a 5 figure monthly salary . If you do not have any work experience it is very difficult to negotiate for a higher salary with the employer.
Again, these does not apply to every fresh graduates. Some may be lucky and got a highly paid job. But I guess if everyone is so highly paid, there'll be an inflation in the economy. So, if you don't think that'll you'll be lucky like some other people are, settle for something within your reach. Don't dream too much...
My advice to all the fresh graduates out there is not to be choosy on your first job. Accept the job and work for a year or two or more. Gain lots of working experience and then leave the company if you have to and look for another company that's willing to pay you more.
Do your research. Research the job demand based on your degree and research on the company that you wish to work for. Find out how much other employees' salary within the company. Find out how big the company is and what's the benefit they offer. Evaluate yourself. Ask people how much is the payscale with your degree. Once you get an interview, be professional. Presentation is of importance. It's not just your dress coat, but the way you talk and what you say (it gives the employer a good idea of your knowledge and potential to the company). Once you're offered the job and a salary, do not just accept the job offer blindly. NEGOTIATE the salary wisely. I have to emphasize this more. Do not negotiate the salary during the interview. Just provide the interviewer a range of salary of what you are expecting when they ask you about it. Salary range is sometimes taboo to some employers. Sometimes employer use it as a weeding out question when you start mentioning about the salary. The reasonable thing to do is to wait for the employer to bring up the question. There are a couple of ways to get around this question. Most employers will offer you a lower salary when they offer you the job. This is the time when you NEGOTIATE the exact number of salary you want. However, do not ask for a salary that's totally outrages. Ask for something that's higher than the offer. Most of the time the employer will not match for what you ask, but something higher than the initial offer and lower than what you've asked for. Describe briefly to the employer why you are asking for a higher salary (cost of living, transportation, food, savings). Be reasonable when you ask for a higher salary. If the company is not willing to pay you any higher than the initial offer, ask for more time to consider the offer before accepting it. It buys you time just in case you have other job offers that might be coming to you. If anyone out there needs help on interviews, please feel free to email me personally. I'm more than willing to help as much as possible. I am not a consultant, though.
Goodluck to all the potential graduates and fresh graduates...
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I guess better paying jobs are at american corporations. But that's not necessary true. However, I know Intel, Sony and Agilent in Penang pays between 2.2K - 2.8K for fresh graduates. Well, that's the payscale for engineers, I think.
I guess one thing fresh graduates need to understand is that you can't really expect a good pay because you don't have any working experience to begin with. Academic experience is good, but does not guarantee a high paying job. A college degree these days is just sufficient to get to the employer's door for an interview. There are so many fresh graduates everywhere. You'll have to prove yourself valuable to the employer and why they should hire you against another 50 people who is waiting in line for the job.
It's simple economics. More supply than demand. That's why the pay is low. If an employer is need of your skill badly, they'll definitely pay more than the other companies. I guess it's more than just the attitude of the graduates that make them jobless.
As a fresh graduate, you have to understand your limitation (what you possess and what you don't). I got this quote from the star paper. It is so unprofessional of fresh graduates to do any of these.
"About 30% of the applicants never followed up on their applications, 10% failed to attend interviews, and another 10% did not turn up after accepting their offers."
The world of business and engineering is very small. Trust me on this. Even though you get a job with a company, there is always a chance you will bump into your previous employer or deal with your previous companies that you have worked for. This is reality. Professionalism and appearance are important. It reflects who you really are. If you intend to reject an interview or a job offer, I would suggest that you contact the company and politely decline the offer.
If you spend too much unnecessary time looking for a high paying jobs, you might lose out to other candidates who has taken up a lower paying job. Why? Because these people have gained the working experience ahead of time of you. They are more valuable to other companies compared to all jobless fresh graduate who's waiting for an employer to offer him a 5 figure monthly salary . If you do not have any work experience it is very difficult to negotiate for a higher salary with the employer.
Again, these does not apply to every fresh graduates. Some may be lucky and got a highly paid job. But I guess if everyone is so highly paid, there'll be an inflation in the economy. So, if you don't think that'll you'll be lucky like some other people are, settle for something within your reach. Don't dream too much...
My advice to all the fresh graduates out there is not to be choosy on your first job. Accept the job and work for a year or two or more. Gain lots of working experience and then leave the company if you have to and look for another company that's willing to pay you more.
Do your research. Research the job demand based on your degree and research on the company that you wish to work for. Find out how much other employees' salary within the company. Find out how big the company is and what's the benefit they offer. Evaluate yourself. Ask people how much is the payscale with your degree. Once you get an interview, be professional. Presentation is of importance. It's not just your dress coat, but the way you talk and what you say (it gives the employer a good idea of your knowledge and potential to the company). Once you're offered the job and a salary, do not just accept the job offer blindly. NEGOTIATE the salary wisely. I have to emphasize this more. Do not negotiate the salary during the interview. Just provide the interviewer a range of salary of what you are expecting when they ask you about it. Salary range is sometimes taboo to some employers. Sometimes employer use it as a weeding out question when you start mentioning about the salary. The reasonable thing to do is to wait for the employer to bring up the question. There are a couple of ways to get around this question. Most employers will offer you a lower salary when they offer you the job. This is the time when you NEGOTIATE the exact number of salary you want. However, do not ask for a salary that's totally outrages. Ask for something that's higher than the offer. Most of the time the employer will not match for what you ask, but something higher than the initial offer and lower than what you've asked for. Describe briefly to the employer why you are asking for a higher salary (cost of living, transportation, food, savings). Be reasonable when you ask for a higher salary. If the company is not willing to pay you any higher than the initial offer, ask for more time to consider the offer before accepting it. It buys you time just in case you have other job offers that might be coming to you. If anyone out there needs help on interviews, please feel free to email me personally. I'm more than willing to help as much as possible. I am not a consultant, though.
Goodluck to all the potential graduates and fresh graduates...
Please comment contructively on this issue.
Thanks...
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