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tehjiao
05-02-2004, 01:32 AM
I'm sure that there are lots of Malaysian doing medicine, either local or oversea. I think it would be nice that if all of these ppl can meet and share their experience and knowledge. In fact, i believe that some of our non-medical field friends would be interested in knowing more about medical field,too. So anybody who is interested, pls join this new SIG, Every Little Thing about Medicine.You are welcome to intro yourself here!
p/s: thanks to chenchow to bring this idea to me
Self intro: 4th Year Medical Student in USM, Kelantan
:P
2008 update: Time flies....Currently working as 3rd year Medical Officer at Government District Hospital, Life is very different between study and working. And I'll continue to contribute to this SIG. Welcome Everybody to join this SIG!
2010 update: Can't believe it's been 6 years since 2004, now is a 5th year medical officer in State GH. And this SIG still survive, not bad. :)
tehjiao
05-02-2004, 01:32 AM
I'm sure that there are lots of Malaysian doing medicine, either local or oversea. I think it would be nice that if all of these ppl can meet and share their experience and knowledge. In fact, i believe that some of our non-medical field friends would be interested in knowing more about medical field,too. So anybody who is interested, pls join this new SIG, Every Little Thing about Medicine.You are welcome to intro yourself here!
p/s: thanks to chenchow to bring this idea to me
Self intro: 4th Year Medical Student in USM, Kelantan
:P
2008 update: Time flies....Currently working as 3rd year Medical Officer at Government District Hospital, Life is very different between study and working. And I'll continue to contribute to this SIG. Welcome Everybody to join this SIG!
kennytang
05-02-2004, 01:55 AM
how many years more ll u spend in USM? then after that where r u going?
u took stpm b4 gg usm, right?
i m not a medical student but lke to know u.
kennytang
05-02-2004, 01:55 AM
how many years more ll u spend in USM? then after that where r u going?
u took stpm b4 gg usm, right?
i m not a medical student but lke to know u.
chenchow
05-02-2004, 06:12 AM
Yeah, I know of many ReComers are doing medicine all over the world, so the SIG will be a great way for everyone to connect and get to know each other, besides it is an opportunity for those medicine students to share insights, opinion, exposure etc...
chenchow
05-02-2004, 06:12 AM
Yeah, I know of many ReComers are doing medicine all over the world, so the SIG will be a great way for everyone to connect and get to know each other, besides it is an opportunity for those medicine students to share insights, opinion, exposure etc...
tehjiao,
Just in case you are wondering why I (or chenchow or masterof_none) haven't approved the new SIG, you need at least 4 members (including the founder and moderators) ... once you reach that number I'll approve it at once :) :) :)
p/s: sorry I'm not really interested in medicine stuff by I might come by and read the discussions .. oh once approved you'll get own forum in which only members can post ... also, since you are a moderator, plz check out the configurable stuffs in the admin page of your SIG :) :) :) ..
tehjiao,
Just in case you are wondering why I (or chenchow or masterof_none) haven't approved the new SIG, you need at least 4 members (including the founder and moderators) ... once you reach that number I'll approve it at once :) :) :)
p/s: sorry I'm not really interested in medicine stuff by I might come by and read the discussions .. oh once approved you'll get own forum in which only members can post ... also, since you are a moderator, plz check out the configurable stuffs in the admin page of your SIG :) :) :) ..
Well medicine is not really my strong side, but I am really keen to learn much more on it. I had been on Microbiology last time (still is); I was interested in Medical Microbiology. Now I had shifted again, to Medical Biochemistry and a little Immunology. Hopefully this will be a good forum. I will be awaiting for it.
My favourite movies are like CSI. I know it is a far cry from the real work scenario but I had always liked to work with Molecular Biology. Solving cases and.....oh, I have to stop dreaming too much.
Well medicine is not really my strong side, but I am really keen to learn much more on it. I had been on Microbiology last time (still is); I was interested in Medical Microbiology. Now I had shifted again, to Medical Biochemistry and a little Immunology. Hopefully this will be a good forum. I will be awaiting for it.
My favourite movies are like CSI. I know it is a far cry from the real work scenario but I had always liked to work with Molecular Biology. Solving cases and.....oh, I have to stop dreaming too much.
tehjiao
05-02-2004, 05:29 PM
Yeah i took stpm before enter USM, it's a 5 year course and this mean that i've another 1 year,will graduate in 2005 May. I come from Penang, Chung Ling B.W High School. Nice to meet u too. Just feel free to intro yourself here.Currently i'm in medical posting in hospital.
tehjiao
05-02-2004, 05:29 PM
Yeah i took stpm before enter USM, it's a 5 year course and this mean that i've another 1 year,will graduate in 2005 May. I come from Penang, Chung Ling B.W High School. Nice to meet u too. Just feel free to intro yourself here.Currently i'm in medical posting in hospital.
Hi and congrats on being able to grad soon. As for me, I am still in school. Wonder when will I finnish studying......Is there a lot of work? What a silly question, you must be very busy. BTW, nice to meet you too.
Hi and congrats on being able to grad soon. As for me, I am still in school. Wonder when will I finnish studying......Is there a lot of work? What a silly question, you must be very busy. BTW, nice to meet you too.
tehjiao
06-02-2004, 12:51 AM
i think medical life in USM is more free than others as it really depend on yourself to decide how much u wan to study. So, self discipline is important here. Actually, we organize lots of activities here every year, i was a 24 season drummer when i was 1st year and basketball player for last 3 years. :)
tehjiao
06-02-2004, 12:51 AM
i think medical life in USM is more free than others as it really depend on yourself to decide how much u wan to study. So, self discipline is important here. Actually, we organize lots of activities here every year, i was a 24 season drummer when i was 1st year and basketball player for last 3 years. :)
tehjiao
06-02-2004, 02:43 PM
For those who r using Palm as study aid in medical school, can try Skyscape product.
Hopes it helps u in your study.
:)
tehjiao
06-02-2004, 02:43 PM
For those who r using Palm as study aid in medical school, can try Skyscape
Hopes it helps u in your study.
:)
lee4ever
06-02-2004, 10:42 PM
Hi everyone!
Hmm.... a SIG about medicine (but not exclusively for medics only) should spark some lively discussions & maybe perhaps, debates about medical issues, in particular, the current state of our health standard; no thanks to the current avian flu that's prevalent in South East Asia.
I think I'm beginning to get paranoid about eating chicken, considering the fact that to date, this epidemic has claimed about 18 lives! Arrgh! No chicken! :lol: Dang!
On a personal note, I'm a medic-to-be and I'm still doing my A-Levels. If all goes well, I'll be starting my medical studies at Cambridge this Oct. As such, unlike you bona-fide medic students out there, I've to concede the fact that my knowledge of medical issues is rather limited, or perhaps, a little circumscribed within the boundaries of my A-Level scope of knowledge. Nevertheless, I hope I can contribute my two cents worth to this SIG.
Oh yeah, I also hope that medics like tehjiao wouldn't mind sharing their experience in med school with me, so that hopefully, I can have an idea of what lies ahead in front of me in med school! :wink: (People say med school is stressful & very very 'tension'.... myth or a fact?)
In short, I'm very much looking forward to the formation of this great medicine SIG and I hope to be a part of this SIG.
lee4ever
06-02-2004, 10:42 PM
Hi everyone!
Hmm.... a SIG about medicine (but not exclusively for medics only) should spark some lively discussions & maybe perhaps, debates about medical issues, in particular, the current state of our health standard; no thanks to the current avian flu that's prevalent in South East Asia.
I think I'm beginning to get paranoid about eating chicken, considering the fact that to date, this epidemic has claimed about 18 lives! Arrgh! No chicken! :lol: Dang!
On a personal note, I'm a medic-to-be and I'm still doing my A-Levels. If all goes well, I'll be starting my medical studies at Cambridge this Oct. As such, unlike you bona-fide medic students out there, I've to concede the fact that my knowledge of medical issues is rather limited, or perhaps, a little circumscribed within the boundaries of my A-Level scope of knowledge. Nevertheless, I hope I can contribute my two cents worth to this SIG.
Oh yeah, I also hope that medics like tehjiao wouldn't mind sharing their experience in med school with me, so that hopefully, I can have an idea of what lies ahead in front of me in med school! :wink: (People say med school is stressful & very very 'tension'.... myth or a fact?)
In short, I'm very much looking forward to the formation of this great medicine SIG and I hope to be a part of this SIG.
Chicken Flu (H5N1) and Chicken Stew,
from the Microbiologist Point of View
Lots of people seem to be avoiding eating chicken at all. There is nothing wrong in eating chickens albeit all the hype around chicken meat and coming down sick.
The people which had really been infected with the influenza are actually farmers/ people which have CONTACT with the infected chickens (Air, dust too). Though there may not be much evidence on the routes of infection, the people whom had contracted the flu are found to have either direct or indirect contact with infected chickens.
The real worry comes not from eating cooked chicken but from the fact of the ability of the virus to mutate to forms which are able to pass from human to human. Some scientist had even hypothesized this may be the beginning of something bigger, refering to the world Spain flu pandemic in 1918. On the other hand, the pandemic happened when there was not much control on infected travellers and such.
The real reason as to why some governments stop the import of foreign chickens from countries which are plagued with the H5N1 chicken flu is because import of those chicken exposes the local chicken population to the virus, and thus increasing risk of infection to the local chicken population. In fact, the main reason on the ban is about the protection of the local chicken instead of the local human population :D
It is undeniable that the virus has the ability to evolve into much more dangerous form, thanks to the lack mechanisms for the ?proofreading? and repair of errors that occur during replication. As a result of these uncorrected errors, the genetic composition of the viruses changes as they replicate in humans and animals, and the existing strain is replaced with a new antigenic variant. A second characteristic is the ability to swap genes with viruses which are present together during infection. This can result in the emergence of novel subtypes which are able to cross species and bring on the same level of pathogenethicity it pocessed in the original infected species.
Cooking the chicken thoroughly kills the virus effectively as the influenza virus is suceptible to heat. Other than that, do what we always do, wash hands before meals and normal standards of hygenity will keep the virus at bay. The virus is not the same as BSE, in which the infectious agent is actually an infectious protein, prion. Prions are much more resistant to enviromental elements (heat) as compared to the influenza virus.
On the other hand, if you do get serious symptoms, I think that TehJiao may be able to help.
:D
Chicken Flu (H5N1) and Chicken Stew,
from the Microbiologist Point of View
Lots of people seem to be avoiding eating chicken at all. There is nothing wrong in eating chickens albeit all the hype around chicken meat and coming down sick.
The people which had really been infected with the influenza are actually farmers/ people which have CONTACT with the infected chickens (Air, dust too). Though there may not be much evidence on the routes of infection, the people whom had contracted the flu are found to have either direct or indirect contact with infected chickens.
The real worry comes not from eating cooked chicken but from the fact of the ability of the virus to mutate to forms which are able to pass from human to human. Some scientist had even hypothesized this may be the beginning of something bigger, refering to the world Spain flu pandemic in 1918. On the other hand, the pandemic happened when there was not much control on infected travellers and such.
The real reason as to why some governments stop the import of foreign chickens from countries which are plagued with the H5N1 chicken flu is because import of those chicken exposes the local chicken population to the virus, and thus increasing risk of infection to the local chicken population. In fact, the main reason on the ban is about the protection of the local chicken instead of the local human population :D
It is undeniable that the virus has the ability to evolve into much more dangerous form, thanks to the lack mechanisms for the ?proofreading? and repair of errors that occur during replication. As a result of these uncorrected errors, the genetic composition of the viruses changes as they replicate in humans and animals, and the existing strain is replaced with a new antigenic variant. A second characteristic is the ability to swap genes with viruses which are present together during infection. This can result in the emergence of novel subtypes which are able to cross species and bring on the same level of pathogenethicity it pocessed in the original infected species.
Cooking the chicken thoroughly kills the virus effectively as the influenza virus is suceptible to heat. Other than that, do what we always do, wash hands before meals and normal standards of hygenity will keep the virus at bay. The virus is not the same as BSE, in which the infectious agent is actually an infectious protein, prion. Prions are much more resistant to enviromental elements (heat) as compared to the influenza virus.
On the other hand, if you do get serious symptoms, I think that TehJiao may be able to help.
:D
lee4ever
07-02-2004, 06:49 PM
Hey Fish!
Thanks for that very profoundly-insightful explanation about the dreaded and much-maligned avian flu epidemic. I'm glad to learn that most of my fears are thankfully unfounded! (shame on me!) :oops:
It's pretty interesting to learn from fish about how the viral genome undergoes mutation as a result of a faulty DNA replication. As a matter of fact, DNA replication isn't 100% foolproof or as perfect as we'd imagined it to be when we learned about it in Biology class. While I can't comment further on this matter, I think this serves to proof that nature is so delicate that the slightest bit of mistake, as would be normally prevalent in the daily activities of a much-erred human, the outcome would be disastrous!
BTW, fish, (I hope you don't mind me calling you fish, cos I dunno you name! :lol: ) you mentioned earlier that you're still in school. I persume that as 'school', you would mean university, right? So, where're you studying?
Hope everyone can post their two cents worth!
lee4ever
07-02-2004, 06:49 PM
Hey Fish!
Thanks for that very profoundly-insightful explanation about the dreaded and much-maligned avian flu epidemic. I'm glad to learn that most of my fears are thankfully unfounded! (shame on me!) :oops:
It's pretty interesting to learn from fish about how the viral genome undergoes mutation as a result of a faulty DNA replication. As a matter of fact, DNA replication isn't 100% foolproof or as perfect as we'd imagined it to be when we learned about it in Biology class. While I can't comment further on this matter, I think this serves to proof that nature is so delicate that the slightest bit of mistake, as would be normally prevalent in the daily activities of a much-erred human, the outcome would be disastrous!
BTW, fish, (I hope you don't mind me calling you fish, cos I dunno you name! :lol: ) you mentioned earlier that you're still in school. I persume that as 'school', you would mean university, right? So, where're you studying?
Hope everyone can post their two cents worth!
tehjiao
08-02-2004, 09:11 PM
Thank fish for that explanation, it's really true that we should not worry about eating chicken as long as we cook it thoroughly. BTW, don't forget to cook eggs throughly as well (especially for those who like to eat 'telur mata kerbau' !) It's known that eat eggs which is not well cooked may transmit disease not only avian flu (not really proved) but others as well.
Otherwise, if u have 'close contact' with any bird/chicken recently and get flu-like symptom, u should seek treatment early.
:wink:
tehjiao
08-02-2004, 09:11 PM
Thank fish for that explanation, it's really true that we should not worry about eating chicken as long as we cook it thoroughly. BTW, don't forget to cook eggs throughly as well (especially for those who like to eat 'telur mata kerbau' !) It's known that eat eggs which is not well cooked may transmit disease not only avian flu (not really proved) but others as well.
Otherwise, if u have 'close contact' with any bird/chicken recently and get flu-like symptom, u should seek treatment early.
:wink:
Sorry but I'd like to interrupt here ... since you guys love to discuss about this medicine stuff, how about joining the SIG here:
http://host141.ipowerweb.com:8080/~recomorg/modules.php?name=SIG&id=Medicine
once you have 4 members I'll approve it (sorry it's the protocol) ... you'll get your own forum (one forum can have multiple topics) and shoutbox where you can extend this interesting discussion ...
Sorry but I'd like to interrupt here ... since you guys love to discuss about this medicine stuff, how about joining the SIG here:
http://host141.ipowerweb.com:8080/~recomorg/modules.php?name=SIG&id=Medicine
once you have 4 members I'll approve it (sorry it's the protocol) ... you'll get your own forum (one forum can have multiple topics) and shoutbox where you can extend this interesting discussion ...
masterof_none
08-02-2004, 11:48 PM
since I'm interested in medieval medicine, I joined the group!..
let's discuss about medieval medicine... ;-)
masterof_none
08-02-2004, 11:48 PM
since I'm interested in medieval medicine, I joined the group!..
let's discuss about medieval medicine... ;-)
errr by medieval(sp?) medicine, do you mean something like err drilling holes into your skull to drain blood to relieve pressure on your brain?
errr by medieval(sp?) medicine, do you mean something like err drilling holes into your skull to drain blood to relieve pressure on your brain?
It is true that DNA is not foolproof but the chances of mutation to occur in DNA is very low. This is because DNA replication pocess a mechanism called proofreading other than excision repairs. DNA dependant-DNA polymerase assists in the synthesis of DNA. The enzyme recognises the difference in base pairs and slows down when there is a mis-matched base pair. As you had already know; DNA is paired in this format
A-C
G-T.
But once in a while, pairing with other bases other that those happens. This is called point mutation, in which there is the presence of a mismatched pair of nucleotides.
In the proofreading process, this mis-matched pair is removed (the mis-matched pair will slow synthesis and therefore causes the system to recognize the presence of a mis-matched base pair)
Lets get back to virology.
We were on H5N1, influenza virus, family Orthomyxoviridae.
Viruses are loosely classified into 2 large groups. DNA viruses and RNA viruses. Herpes virus (chicken pox) are viruses from the DNA family. Examples of RNA viruses are influenza virus and HIV.
As the genetic materials of the RNA viruses are carried by RNA (Ribonucleic Acid), their genes are synthezised by RNA dependent RNA polymerase. This enzyme lacks proofreading properties and thus leads to more frequent point mutations as compared to DNA viruses.
Therefore, do you notice that we keep on getting flu? This is because the flu virus has the ability to keep changing apperances in order to fool our immune system. The scientific community are in fact now racing to find a suitable vaccine before the avian flu strikes at the human race. But the development of vaccine consumes plenty of time. Let s face it, HIV vaccine was promised to be delivered many years ago, but till today, plenty of promises have surfaced but none had yet been put fully to practical use.
Thank goodness we are not living in the medival times. :lol: We could have been dead ages ago (no antibiotics, BCG, Salk, etc)
A little info on me
I am studying in Grad School of Medical Sciences in Japan. Therefore, I am still in school and learning.
Glad that you have asked all those questions Lee. Made me refresh my dusty store room (I mean my brain) :idea:
It is true that DNA is not foolproof but the chances of mutation to occur in DNA is very low. This is because DNA replication pocess a mechanism called proofreading other than excision repairs. DNA dependant-DNA polymerase assists in the synthesis of DNA. The enzyme recognises the difference in base pairs and slows down when there is a mis-matched base pair. As you had already know; DNA is paired in this format
A-C
G-T.
But once in a while, pairing with other bases other that those happens. This is called point mutation, in which there is the presence of a mismatched pair of nucleotides.
In the proofreading process, this mis-matched pair is removed (the mis-matched pair will slow synthesis and therefore causes the system to recognize the presence of a mis-matched base pair)
Lets get back to virology.
We were on H5N1, influenza virus, family Orthomyxoviridae.
Viruses are loosely classified into 2 large groups. DNA viruses and RNA viruses. Herpes virus (chicken pox) are viruses from the DNA family. Examples of RNA viruses are influenza virus and HIV.
As the genetic materials of the RNA viruses are carried by RNA (Ribonucleic Acid), their genes are synthezised by RNA dependent RNA polymerase. This enzyme lacks proofreading properties and thus leads to more frequent point mutations as compared to DNA viruses.
Therefore, do you notice that we keep on getting flu? This is because the flu virus has the ability to keep changing apperances in order to fool our immune system. The scientific community are in fact now racing to find a suitable vaccine before the avian flu strikes at the human race. But the development of vaccine consumes plenty of time. Let s face it, HIV vaccine was promised to be delivered many years ago, but till today, plenty of promises have surfaced but none had yet been put fully to practical use.
Thank goodness we are not living in the medival times. :lol: We could have been dead ages ago (no antibiotics, BCG, Salk, etc)
A little info on me
I am studying in Grad School of Medical Sciences in Japan. Therefore, I am still in school and learning.
Glad that you have asked all those questions Lee. Made me refresh my dusty store room (I mean my brain) :idea:
I am sorry.
I mean A-T
G - C :oops:
I am sorry.
I mean A-T
G - C :oops:
Schye
09-02-2004, 04:33 PM
Thanks for feeding us with those valuable info ... I am an engineering student but well, i like to learn about everything ... so i am here.
Schye
09-02-2004, 04:33 PM
Thanks for feeding us with those valuable info ... I am an engineering student but well, i like to learn about everything ... so i am here.
chenchow
10-02-2004, 05:39 AM
Hope that everyone could try their best, to help spread the news about this ReCom Medicine SIG and try to bring about all the top talented Malaysians studying medicine in all over the world, to talk about various issues on medicine here.!
chenchow
10-02-2004, 05:39 AM
Hope that everyone could try their best, to help spread the news about this ReCom Medicine SIG and try to bring about all the top talented Malaysians studying medicine in all over the world, to talk about various issues on medicine here.!
soul_out
20-02-2004, 01:15 PM
Most of the time, when medical doctor is in doubt of the usage of appropriate medicine and dosage, they do not consult pharmacist although they are supposed to do so in a well equiped hospital.
A pharmacist spend 4 years to study the usage of drugs(medicine) to treat patient and the interaction of drugs. I would like to mention the role of pharmacist in hospital, community and industry in case you guys are not aware of it.
In hospital, the doctor will diagnose the disease of the patient and prescribe medication. Nurses have to make sure the patient take his medication on time and do all the urine and blood testing that the doctor requested. (It's the nurses who perform the test, as doctors are too bz to do it). The pharmacist will check the prescription of the patient to avoid drug interaction, side effect and overdose. Pharmacist will also need to make sure that the drugs that prescribed by the doctor is effective to the patient, else the pharmacist has to leave a note to the doctor and recommend an alternative. (It's the job of the Pharmacist, as they are trained for 4 years to do these, where medical doctors are trained to find out what is wrong to the patient and how to treat the patient).
In the community, the job of the pharmacist is basically the same.
Doctors have the rights to prescribe and dispense in our country. Therefore, the role of a community pharmacist is reduced.
In industry, pharmacist/pharmacologist design the formulation of the drug and research on how to achieve a more effective formulation. For instance, how to isolate the active ingredient of Tongkat Ali to get rid of other harmful chemical substances of the plant, how to protect the active ingredient of Tongkat Ali from denaturation, how to systhesise it, to decide whether formulate it in a tablet form, capsule, liquid form or maybe as a cream?, to determine the side effect, to find out any drug interaction bet. Tongkat Ali and other common use drugs and to minimised the side effect.
soul_out
20-02-2004, 01:15 PM
Most of the time, when medical doctor is in doubt of the usage of appropriate medicine and dosage, they do not consult pharmacist although they are supposed to do so in a well equiped hospital.
A pharmacist spend 4 years to study the usage of drugs(medicine) to treat patient and the interaction of drugs. I would like to mention the role of pharmacist in hospital, community and industry in case you guys are not aware of it.
In hospital, the doctor will diagnose the disease of the patient and prescribe medication. Nurses have to make sure the patient take his medication on time and do all the urine and blood testing that the doctor requested. (It's the nurses who perform the test, as doctors are too bz to do it). The pharmacist will check the prescription of the patient to avoid drug interaction, side effect and overdose. Pharmacist will also need to make sure that the drugs that prescribed by the doctor is effective to the patient, else the pharmacist has to leave a note to the doctor and recommend an alternative. (It's the job of the Pharmacist, as they are trained for 4 years to do these, where medical doctors are trained to find out what is wrong to the patient and how to treat the patient).
In the community, the job of the pharmacist is basically the same.
Doctors have the rights to prescribe and dispense in our country. Therefore, the role of a community pharmacist is reduced.
In industry, pharmacist/pharmacologist design the formulation of the drug and research on how to achieve a more effective formulation. For instance, how to isolate the active ingredient of Tongkat Ali to get rid of other harmful chemical substances of the plant, how to protect the active ingredient of Tongkat Ali from denaturation, how to systhesise it, to decide whether formulate it in a tablet form, capsule, liquid form or maybe as a cream?, to determine the side effect, to find out any drug interaction bet. Tongkat Ali and other common use drugs and to minimised the side effect.
soul_out
20-02-2004, 01:19 PM
errr by medieval(sp?) medicine, do you mean something like err drilling holes into your skull to drain blood to relieve pressure on your brain?
Medieval Medicine is how medical doctor were practised to treat patient at Medieval age. Not necessary drilling holes into your skull. Some of the Medieval medicine are scientific based, some are not.
soul_out
20-02-2004, 01:19 PM
errr by medieval(sp?) medicine, do you mean something like err drilling holes into your skull to drain blood to relieve pressure on your brain?
Medieval Medicine is how medical doctor were practised to treat patient at Medieval age. Not necessary drilling holes into your skull. Some of the Medieval medicine are scientific based, some are not.
chenchow
21-02-2004, 07:46 AM
soul-out, I think the best way to spread awareness about pharmacist, would be to try to bring as many of your pharmacist friends to join ReCom, whereever they are studying pharmacy in the world.
This SIG could be an informal medium for you guys to talk about pharmacist stuff, besides medical, and both are related!
chenchow
21-02-2004, 07:46 AM
soul-out, I think the best way to spread awareness about pharmacist, would be to try to bring as many of your pharmacist friends to join ReCom, whereever they are studying pharmacy in the world.
This SIG could be an informal medium for you guys to talk about pharmacist stuff, besides medical, and both are related!
yekban81
25-03-2004, 11:06 AM
I got this info from a forwarded mail.
Taking Pills with Warm Water is Dangerous...
Most people when they're suffering from flu commonly consume Capsulated tablets with warm water, not knowing whether the pill would safely reach the stomach. This could be serious and perhaps you should consider proper ways of swallowing pills.
Doctors Advice:
* Pills can be taken singly by using cold water. After swallowing, a person should drink a lot more water.
* Take your pills 30 minutes before you go to bed, don't go straight to bed immediately after taking pills.
Incident:
One day a guy took some antibiotics and for not drinking enough water to flush it straight down to the stomach, the pill was lodged on the food tract and caused an inflammation. For six days he could only take cold milk and water-soluble food and was hospitalized for five days. The Doctor warned that should it get any worse, an ulcer in the intestine may result. So please exercise caution.
When taking medicine in pill or capsule form: * DO NOT use warm or hot water / fruit juice / all kinds of sweet drinks to wash down the medicine. * The right way is to down it with cold water. If you feel discomfort in the throat after taking a pill, drink lots of water or cold milk. Stand or sit straight when you take your pill and do not lie immediately.
Can anyone verify this?
soul_out
25-03-2004, 09:42 PM
First of all, the article is written "capsulated tablet". Well, i assume we're talking about capsule now. By the way, the explaination below is applicable to both capsule and tablet.
Warm water mentioned in the article is just an adjective to describe the temperature of the water. Everyone has their own perception of "warm water". I personally think water around 37 degree celsius is the best as while drug company doing the drug dissolution testing, they will test the medicine in water of normal human body temperature.
Take the medicine half an hour before sleep is a must to avoid the medicine taken lodge on our food tract (oesophagus). The dosage form of the medicine (capsule or tablet) is designed to dissociate in our stomach or small intestine to exert its effect. Lie down right after taken the medicine might prevent the medicine from reaching our stomach and small intestine although there is this mechanism called peristalsis (movement of gastrointestinal tract from oesophagus to large intestine).
Hope this help.
yekban81
29-03-2004, 03:51 PM
Just wanna to share this invaluable info:
HEART ATTACK: Message Of Love From A Prominent Cardiologist
Dear Everyone
Please read this - it could save your life one day! Hope this will
never be relevant for you, but sure is worth a look...
WHAT TO DO IF YOU HAVE A SUDDEN HEART ATTACK AND ARE ALONE !
Let's say it's 6.15 pm and you're driving home (alone of course), after an unusually
hard day on the job. You're really tired, upset and frustrated. Suddenly you start
experiencing severe pain in your chest that starts to radiate out into your arm and
up into your jaw. You are only about five k's from the hospital nearest your home.
Unfortunately you don't know if you'll be able to make it that far. You have been
trained in CPR, but the guy that taught the course did not tell you how to
perform it on yourself.
HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE
Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, without help,
the person whose heart is beating improperly and who begins to feel faint,
has only about 10 seconds left before losing consciousness.
However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and
very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and
the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from
deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every
two seconds without let-up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be
beating normally again.
Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze
the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart
also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can get to
a hospital. Tell as many other people as possible about this. It could save their
lives!!
We seems to think that only elder peoples especially those from obese group suffer from heart diseases. In fact I hear more cases which involve younger man as young as 21 yrs old regardless of whether he/she is fat or thin, succumbed to death by this silence killer disease.
flibbertigibbet
05-03-2005, 10:56 AM
Just thought I would post a question here.
What is the optimum doctor:patient ratio?
I remember myself reading about this some time ago in the newspapers. But now I just fail to find that piece of article.
Can anyone please help enlighten me on that?
SHuLy
05-03-2005, 05:09 PM
preparing for an interview flibber??
flibbertigibbet
05-03-2005, 11:04 PM
Well, just thought of the question and want to know the answer.
Not really for interviews. But since you asked, I realise it could be a question for interview too.
flibbertigibbet
11-04-2005, 09:49 AM
Remember the articles written by a medical student, Kevin Ooi? Well, the link to his previous article was posted in another thread of which I fail to find now. So I will just post the links to the second and third part of his account here.
http://thestar.com.my/news/list.asp?file=/2005/3/27/education/10500497&sec=education
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/4/10/education/10604408&sec=education
SHuLy
20-04-2005, 12:31 PM
say, i noticed that there are mostly guys here (from the nicknames)...any girls doing medic here??
masdie
29-05-2005, 12:56 AM
kesian shuly, no one replied to her post.
are there really no girls here?
pangping1510
29-05-2005, 09:33 AM
i think female and male students who wan to do medic are quite even here. izit that he only 'concentrate'[ or attracted to guy( 's name ) ] lol...jk... :lol:
SHuLy
31-05-2005, 10:59 AM
lol...jk... :lol:
i don't understand what you are trying to say pangping1510. HE? and guy's name?
i'm a female, and as far as i am aware of, in my class and a general view, there are more females doing medicine than males..so i'm wondering if there are any active ones (females) in recom
cooldog
31-05-2005, 11:29 AM
I think in IMU, the numbers of males and females doing medicine are quite even... probably slightly more females than males doing medicine. But for the pharmacy course, there are about 20 males in each batch, which is about 100+ ppl....
pangping1510
08-06-2005, 01:42 PM
haha...dun angry la...i dunno what i typed oso...take care :lol:
~no quota~no quota~
SHuLy
09-06-2005, 07:48 AM
haha...dun angry la...i dunno what i typed oso...take care :lol:
~no quota~no quota~
do know what you are typing before posting it up. if not, leave those unclear, leading-to-nowhere and comments to yourself
libran_mei
09-06-2005, 10:37 AM
Just cool it there. Why get upset so easily over a small matter?
SHuLy
09-06-2005, 01:25 PM
Just cool it there. Why get upset so easily over a small matter?
without intonation involved, it seems as though misinterpretation of mere sentences is not a rarity
Padma
09-06-2005, 01:55 PM
Is it possible to pursue medicine in IMU without twinning to other overseas uni(means proceed to the IMU in Seremban) under JPA?
Also, for the A-levels, where are we likely to be sent? And when will the course commence?
SHuLy
10-06-2005, 07:46 AM
Is it possible to pursue medicine in IMU without twinning to other overseas uni(means proceed to the IMU in Seremban) under JPA?
Also, for the A-levels, where are we likely to be sent? And when will the course commence?
i think they will only be too happy to send you for the full local programme! why don't you wanna go for the twinning programme???
i would say that it isn't a problem. if you are offered for the twinning programme, you can just write in to JPA to ask them to change your contract...though it doesn't happen the other way round of course.
so far, my friends who are doing twinning with IMU go to UiTM for their A Levels. but i cannot say for certain as they are doing pharmacy and it might apply for medicine.
huipen
10-06-2005, 09:23 AM
Been really inactive really.... Computer system down, exam,etc.. well, I am a female and intend to do medicine too... just to answer shuly's question
astraltruist
10-06-2005, 04:38 PM
Is it possible to pursue medicine in IMU without twinning to other overseas uni(means proceed to the IMU in Seremban) under JPA?
Also, for the A-levels, where are we likely to be sent? And when will the course commence?
yes, u can appeal to switch. like what some of my frens did. thye'll be more than happy to send u locally. :lol:
i dont know about now but for my year, they are sent to uk, aust mostly. that's for jpa scholars.. if u are heading to uk, it commences in sept/end of august. if aust, feb..
i think if india, should be in sept as well.. dont know about other countries tho.. :wink:
say, i noticed that there are mostly guys here (from the nicknames)...any girls doing medic here??
hallo shuly.. fei lee here? remember.. hehe.. just starting to join this SIG.. :D
masdie
11-06-2005, 11:15 PM
i have a question. a question that i've been wondering about for quite some time. i really hope someone can clear my doubt.
are you as medical students prepared to face the medical world when you graduate? are you sure that you're fully equipped will all the knowledge needed to tackle medical cases you will all face? yes, i understand that internship is where you really start to pick up skills. but are you not afraid when you poke a needle into your patient while getting blood sample? are you not afraid when you prescribe medication to your patients? are you not afraid when you incise or do all those -tomy stuff on your patient during operation? are you not afriad of losing your patient?
i mean how do you know that what you're doing is for the patient's good? is it just because the medical textbooks say so? even if you really know what you're doing, how sure are you that you're not causing more harm?
and the biggest question: do you perform every procedure that you think will do the patients good and then pray hard for him to recover OR you perform the procedures and you know the patients will be alright?
i'm really wondering, how do you become good doctors? even if you try your best and still you can't help your patient.
i'm hoping to get answers from a practising doctor or a senior medical student in clinical years. anyone can try to answer but i really want first-hand answers that can make me say,"wow, okay, i understand now."
ps: i'm pretty f**ked-up huh.
libran_mei
13-06-2005, 12:36 PM
you are definitely right.only at the bottom of your posting.
masdie
16-06-2005, 01:15 AM
thank you for noticing.
dear masdie,
i would be glad if i know whether u r a medical student right now.
should u just intend to pursue medicine, this may be a question for u. however, i strongly believe that u'll be pretty sure n confident to perform any treatments to your patients if u r well-prepared in the sense of studying n practicing beside the fundamental understanding.
medicine is far beyond text books. text books are not your bible in any sense. u practise, u understand n do things by common sense. so need not worry that u r not a competent doctor after graduate. u do not try your luck on patients.
injection is just a small part of medicine, even nurses are confident in handling that. so are u still worry about the capability of a doctor?
should u r medical student, maybe it's time for u to calm down n recall what u have learnt all these years. if u r not one, then i think i had cleared your doubt. DON'T WORRY, BE HAPPY!! :-)
medical student
masdie
19-06-2005, 09:56 PM
dear masdie, i would be glad if i know whether u r a medical student right now
Nope. I'm not a medical student. I didn't think that I can be a good doctor so I didn't pursue this field. I'm just curious. I wonder how doctors feel. Usually (mostly, not all), a normal post-spm teen thinks that he has only 2 paths: to be a doctor OR to be an engineer. This is what I realised.
u do not try your luck on patients.
This is what I want to hear. This clears all my doubts instantly. I'd be happy to know that all doctors knows very well what he's doing.
injection is just a small part of medicine, even nurses are confident in handling that. so are u still worry about the capability of a doctor?
I was just giving a simple example. Even drug-addicts can perform intravenous injections perfectly. But nevermind, your previous reply cleared the clouds in my mind.
Thank you.
I am a senior medical student, and this is a very late reply to the very interesting questions posed by masdie a few weeks ago. Personally I think those questions are very thoughtful ones, so no, you're not fucked up!
To answer (or rather attempt to answer) them: no, I don't think anyone feels ready to be a real doctor. The learning curve going from medical student to house officer is extremely steep. If you think the transition from pre-clinical to clinical is bad, by the time you are a senior student you will realise that the transition from senior student to new baby doc is even worse. For one, when you're a student there is no responsibility, but when you start as a house officer you will be looking after loads of patients with a gazillion jobs to do and lots of people to handle. Interestingly, not many of those jobs have much to do with medicine if you're in the UK (or most developed countries I should think) as most of the time you're the general dogsbody (you might like to know what MB ChB stand for: Master of Bullshit and Chief Bloodtaker :) There are other variations depending on the abbreviation of your degree.) Even so, amidst the form-filling and bloodtaking there will be a bit of medicine thrown in, and this is the scary part. Let's face it, medical school does not, and cannot, prepare you in a totally comprehensive way for the wards. That would take too long. Therefore your undergrad training is just to make you 'emergency safe' with a basic knowledge of common conditions to tide you over the transitory period. The real learning starts on Day 1 of your housejob, and by the end of it you should be relatively competent to manage most of the bread-and-butter stuff. Then you start as a Senior House Officer / MO, and the learning starts again... this is one of those jobs where learning is life-long. It is useful to remember that the ultimate responsibility lies with your boss (the consultant) - it is they who will take the blame (or most of it, anyway) if things go pear-shaped.
As for blood-taking - we practice that on the patients during the clinical years. Since this is something which doesn't need much brain power, a monkey could do it if trained sufficiently. You will get very good at it by the end of your housejob, as it's going to be you trying to get blood off the little old lady with tiny veins at 3 a.m.!
The answer to the other questions can be summed up in one word - risk. Of course there's a degree of apprehension, but you go down the safest path known so far. Remember, if you don't do anything when the situation calls for action, it can only get worse. Medicine has evolved over the centuries, and there are some things which we are certain are going to be good in a particular situation. For everything else, there is evidence-based medicine, which is where people try and find out the best way to do something. However, not everything is evidence-based, and a lot of it is empirical. Do you know, for example, that quite a number of drugs are used in unlicensed manners because the drug companies will not take the risk of conducting the relevant trials? Medicine can never be an exact science, however much we all wish every patient is exactly as the textbooks say they're meant to be, or that everyone gets well on the standard dose of randomycin. Does that answer your 'biggest' question? I've been going on in a rather roundabout way, but essentially - it is impossible to be 100% certain that something will be good for a patient, but based on the evidence, and the risks, we may decide to do that something. A lot of people think doctors can magic away their problems and are then very disappointed when what happens isn't exactly what they expect. And no, we can't, and don't, perform every procedure because there is the issue of a) the benefit to the patient and b) availability and cost.
As for how you become a 'good' doctor - what is your definition of 'good'? I suppose a simple answer would be - lots of experience, lots of hard graft, a bit of luck, and good personal traits.
I'm not sure I've made you understand fully, because these things are hard to explain, what more through an online forum. However, I will be happy to go over anything you might want more clarification on, and answer any spin-off questions. I think if I can educate at least one person on the realities of medicine, I will have done the profession a good deed:) By the way, there is a book by Michael Foxton on life as a junior doctor (can't remember the name, but I've read it). It is a compilation of his articles in the Guardian (UK newspaper) - they may be available to read on the Guardian website. Another good book is The House of God by Samuel Shem. I've not read it yet, but apparently it is a must-read for people thinking of applying to medical school.
tehjiao
29-02-2008, 09:32 PM
2008 update: Time flies....Currently working as 3rd year Medical Officer at Government District Hospital, Life is very different between study and working. And I'll continue to contribute to this SIG. Welcome Everybody to join this SIG!
I joined this forum when I was in Form 5, hectically searching for all available scholarships and applying for them.
Time flies indeed! Currently a first yr med student in UCD, Ireland.
Irish peeps are really friendly. Tho you may merely be a student, they treat you with as much respect as they would a real one. Guess thats all. Oh, I also think Freud had too much time in his hands. Pfft.
Darn my exams start in 6 days time.
Danial
18-05-2008, 04:16 AM
Hi, i'm not yet a doctor, and not yet even a med student....just get a scholarship to study medicine overseas. However, i need to do my IB first XD...i'm really interested in doctors life. I believe its an adventure that many people couldn't experience it themselves. I wish some of you can share some of your study and working experience if you guys don't mind. If anyone took IB before, please share some experience too.
blaxice
21-05-2008, 08:18 PM
plz answer ths... can i be a surgeon and have hobby in extreme sport like racing car? or surgeon dont have time 4 it?
runninghorse
21-05-2008, 08:26 PM
plz answer ths... can i be a surgeon and have hobby in extreme sport like racing car? or surgeon dont have time 4 it?
For a surgeon... your hand is very important to you... please dont hurt it easily....
youngyew
21-05-2008, 08:27 PM
Being a private surgeon in the right field could afford you sportscars, but by the time you get filthy rich you might have lost the youthfulness that fueled the hobby to begin with. :P
Alright real answer. It depends, really.
blaxice
21-05-2008, 08:31 PM
yea... youngyew.. u like medicine career?
youngyew
21-05-2008, 08:46 PM
You asked at the wrong time. :P
(my 10000 word report is due on Friday
hocklee
17-08-2008, 04:55 PM
hi.can anyone recommend me a good microbiology book pls?tq and where can i get them?im from kch,srwk.
youngyew
17-08-2008, 06:35 PM
Microbiology Made Ridiculously Simple is my favourite. I am not sure whether it's available in Malaysia though.
Athersin
18-09-2008, 01:48 PM
Quote from : Newspaper article.
Dr. Oz says you can significantly reduce your chances of getting cancer by eating foods rich in folate—you should get about 800 mg a day. If you don't take it as a supplement, you can find folate in orange juice, spinach and other leafy green vegetables.
"Folate decreases arterial aging, decreases blood pressure and decreases cancer rate," Dr. Roizen says. On labels, look for the words "folate" or "folic," he says.
Is that true that folic acid can really prevent cancer?
Besides all those food mentioned above, what others food that is rich in folic acid?
youngyew
18-09-2008, 06:53 PM
From UpToDate 16.2 (http://www.uptodateonline.com):
The role of folate in cancer prevention is uncertain. Folate has been associated with a decreased risk for colon and other cancers, especially in individuals who consume alcohol, in observational studies. However, randomized trials have not confirmed these findings.
Support for folate as a factor in cancer protection is as follows: Subjects with lower levels of methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase, an enzyme involved in folate metabolism, have a reduced risk of colon cancer [109] , as well as cancers of the esophagus, stomach and pancreas [110] . An inverse relationship was found between folate intake and the risk of developing adenomatous polyps in the combined analysis of data from the Nurses Health Study and Health Professionals Follow-Up Study [111] . The Nurses Health Study demonstrated a decreased risk of colon cancer (RR 0.25, CI 0.13-0.51) in women who took folic acid-containing multivitamins for at least 15 years, suggesting that folate levels may be particularly important in the early stages of colorectal cancer development [112] . Findings from the Women's Health Initiative data, however, showed that increased dietary folate and vitamin B6 intake lowered colorectal cancer risk, while vitamin supplementation with folic acid and B6 did not [113] . Dietary folate, but not vitamin supplementation, was associated with a reduced risk for pancreatic cancer in a Swedish cohort of 82,000 men and women prospectively followed for seven years [114] . A meta-analysis found that dietary folate was associated with reduced risk for esophageal squamous cell cancer (RR 0.66, 95% CI 0.53-0.83), and pancreatic cancer (RR 0.49, 95% CI 0.35-0.67), comparing highest versus lowest intake categories [110] .
However, a meta-analysis of case-control studies and observational studies did not demonstrate an association between low dietary folate intake and breast cancer [115] . The study found evidence of publication bias in previous case-control studies that had suggested an association.
In contrast to biologic and observational evidence supporting a role for folate and folic acid supplementation in cancer prevention, randomized trials have not confirmed these benefits and have raised the possibility of harm. The largest controlled trial to evaluate folic acid supplementation in patients with colorectal adenomas found no decrease in new adenomas at three and six year follow-up, but an increase in risk of advanced colon lesions and an increase in noncolorectal cancer in patients who received folic acid, compared to controls [116] .
Athersin
20-09-2008, 09:16 PM
Thx young for this useful post.
As we noe, liver is the homeostatic organ and its function in our human body cannot be overlooked.
How does a liver help in breakdown of hormones?
music_freak28
29-10-2008, 08:42 PM
I would like to ask if I am interested in specializing in another uni (UK for example) after obtaining my medical degree.. would it matter from which uni i obtained my medical degree from? I heard that it does matter..thanks
TheArtOfMedicine
31-10-2008, 05:46 AM
It doesn't matter in the US as in which medical school one graduated from, on condition it's recognised. After all everyone's considered an ''international medical graduate'' be it from the UK or Aussie or India, in short, all those who don't get their medical degree from a US medical school will be granted the collective term as stated above. It does not matter, that's what I understand from my friend and her sister's friends(who've secured their postgrad residency in the states)
I'm yet to learn more about the postgrad application process in the UK(even though I'm in a British med school at the moment)as it changes fairly rapidly these days, from the conventional system to MTAS etc, things would probably be totally different again by the time I graduate. One thing to bear in mind is that all British medical schools adhere to high standards set by the General Medical Council and it's definitely safe for me to say they're all about the same(bar the two or three elite institutions that are in a league of their own but again this itself is highly controversial especially in the field of Medicine)and one will not be discriminated purely on the grounds of the medical school he/she graduated from.
Hope this helps.
Cheers
haohao
03-11-2008, 12:02 AM
hey....anyone can tell me the most effective way to memorize all the names of the bones from the skull to the phalanges(that means the bones of the whole body)?????I'm trying to memorize everything but that is hard......^_^
faizshukri
17-11-2008, 02:16 AM
well, i was quite bad myself in memorizing all those anatomical structures during my pre-clinical life. however, i definitely agree that spending your time playing with the bones do helps a lot.
try borrow some bones from your anatomy museum and bring them home. Open an atlas while identifying all the prominences, grooves, muscle attachments, tubercle etc on the bones. :)
liewxin
18-08-2009, 09:40 PM
Hi there every1...goin 2 monash 4 med nex year....hopefully will b able 2 cope wif the stress n memorizing...T.T...n hopefully gt time 4 frens,family,games,movies,n leisure...waaaaa
lawrenceleong88
19-08-2009, 12:49 PM
Hi...I've just discovered this thread...and Tehjiao, u r my senior haha...
I am 1st year Medicine Student in USM Kelantan...
davinci518
08-09-2009, 12:31 PM
Hi there every1...goin 2 monash 4 med nex year....hopefully will b able 2 cope wif the stress n memorizing...T.T...n hopefully gt time 4 frens,family,games,movies,n leisure...waaaaa
hey liewxin, congratz! are u a jpa scholar? im hoping i get to go to monash too, although im not sure whether to choose engineering or medicine. anyway whats the requirements to get a medic degree in monash?
tehjiao
18-10-2009, 11:42 AM
Hi...I've just discovered this thread...and Tehjiao, u r my senior haha...
I am 1st year Medicine Student in USM Kelantan...
haha, nice to meet u. how is USMKK now? it's been years that i left there. :)
lawrenceleong88
19-10-2009, 01:57 PM
haha, nice to meet u. how is USMKK now? it's been years that i left there. :)
Hmm...still looking good I guess...and we've just held our mid-autumn festival celebration with a big success!
tehjiao
07-11-2009, 11:39 PM
Hmm...still looking good I guess...and we've just held our mid-autumn festival celebration with a big success!
how about CNY? still organising?
lawrenceleong88
08-11-2009, 01:26 PM
how about CNY? still organising?
Hmm...everyone got their respective postitions now...I joined the 24 seasons drums team...
tehjiao
09-11-2009, 11:18 AM
Hmm...everyone got their respective postitions now...I joined the 24 seasons drums team...
good job, my junior, i was the second batch player for 24 season drum in USMKK LAST TIME.It was long long time ago though
lawrenceleong88
08-12-2009, 08:28 PM
good job, my junior, i was the second batch player for 24 season drum in USMKK LAST TIME.It was long long time ago though
Wow...I see! If u r interested in this year's CNY u may go to this web http://www.usmkk-cny.com
SapphireDragon
09-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Wow...I see! If u r interested in this year's CNY u may go to this web http://www.usmkk-cny.com
Hey lawrenceleong, I believe you are from KMPP, right? Well, just wanna inform you that we here in KMPP will be organising a CNY celebration too like last year! In fact, I'm the Organising Committee President...so if you have any advice, please inform me, I appreciate it.
lawrenceleong88
15-12-2009, 09:44 PM
Hey lawrenceleong, I believe you are from KMPP, right? Well, just wanna inform you that we here in KMPP will be organising a CNY celebration too like last year! In fact, I'm the Organising Committee President...so if you have any advice, please inform me, I appreciate it.
Yup...I will be gladly to help...I am last year's Secretary...
N congratulations to u for being the President...
By the way, do u dream to be a doctor as well?
Judith
29-03-2010, 08:38 PM
hi, i want to ask what is the difference between a pharmacist and a physician ?
what do we call a chinese traditional practitioner in english? do pharmacist learn bout herbs in pharmacy?thanks in advance.^^
youngyew
29-03-2010, 09:13 PM
hi, i want to ask what is the difference between a pharmacist and a physician ?
what do we call a chinese traditional practitioner in english? do pharmacist learn bout herbs in pharmacy?thanks in advance.^^
A pharmacist is someone who sells medication and provides professional advice regarding medication.
A physician is an "advanced" specialist doctor who deals with non-surgical stuff. Examples of physician include a cardiologist (heart specialist), endocrinologist (hormone specialist), kidney specialist etc.
It's called Chinese Medicine practitioner.
Pharmacists don't really learn a lot about herbs, but they do need to have some knowledge about them and how they might interact with the usual Western medicine drugs.
Judith
29-03-2010, 09:37 PM
A pharmacist is someone who sells medication and provides professional advice regarding medication.
A physician is an "advanced" specialist doctor who deals with non-surgical stuff. Examples of physician include a cardiologist (heart specialist), endocrinologist (hormone specialist), kidney specialist etc.
It's called Chinese Medicine practitioner.
Pharmacists don't really learn a lot about herbs, but they do need to have some knowledge about them and how they might interact with the usual Western medicine drugs.
ok i can understand bout pharmacist ,but if physician is professional in certain field why they do not perform surgery cause for sure they are more expert, right?or they are in the surgical room giving instructions?
Is there any possibilities that a pharmacist apply the knowledge about herbs into western medicine and invent new drugs?
youngyew
29-03-2010, 10:28 PM
ok i can understand bout pharmacist ,but if physician is professional in certain field why they do not perform surgery cause for sure they are more expert, right?or they are in the surgical room giving instructions?
Is there any possibilities that a pharmacist apply the knowledge about herbs into western medicine and invent new drugs?
Surgery is hard, to become a full-fledged surgeon someone needs to train for additional 8-10 years after they finish their basic 5/6 year medical course. On the other hand, to become a physician it's some 7 years after the medical course. Since our life, time, ability and possibly attention span is limited, in most cases it's just impractical to have someone both operate on and see patients.
If you are a pharmacist who sells drugs then you won't have that much opportunity to deal with invention of new drugs. If you are interested in the latter then you will want to go into pharmaceutical research rather than pharmacy itself. Similarly for medicine, if you are into groundbreaking research, quite often you will have to be a full time biomedical researcher who works in research laboratory rather than a doctor yourself. In the modern era, quite often the practitioner and the inventor are different people.
Judith
29-03-2010, 10:44 PM
Surgery is hard, to become a full-fledged surgeon someone needs to train for additional 8-10 years after they finish their basic 5/6 year medical course. On the other hand, to become a physician it's some 7 years after the medical course. Since our life, time, ability and possibly attention span is limited, in most cases it's just impractical to have someone both operate on and see patients.
If you are a pharmacist who sells drugs then you won't have that much opportunity to deal with invention of new drugs. If you are interested in the latter then you will want to go into pharmaceutical research rather than pharmacy itself. Similarly for medicine, if you are into groundbreaking research, quite often you will have to be a full time biomedical researcher who works in research laboratory rather than a doctor yourself. In the modern era, quite often the practitioner and the inventor are different people.
Ok,i understand.Btw, i choose the latter, i want to involve more in R&D.What about combining both the miracle from chinese herb and western medicine to invent some sort of drugs? though may take years.But, i think in between a pharmacist also can do research in private medicine manufacturer company plus more money for research. :P
Cactus
06-03-2011, 11:06 PM
Hello, I'm a STPM student currently studying Biology, and i consider medicine as one of my career choices.
Every now and then, I hear people telling others that medicine is VERY different from what we learn in Biology. Granted. 1.5 years of STPM is too short to cover the basics of EVERY field, e.g. physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, genetics.
However, people keep saying that "to study medicine you don't really need biology". Now how is this so?
Can anybody give a CONCRETE example of how medical studies is different from Biology/Biomedical science/Biochemistry... per se?
eve88
07-03-2011, 07:59 PM
Well, having studied A levels biology (but not STPM), and then went on to do medicine...
Biology/Biochemistry (in what i learnt from A levels, anyway) deals very much with cellular and molecular levels - how cells are put together, how they divide, what metabolic pathways are involved, how DNA works etc. It's dealing with "life" on a much smaller scale, in general, compared to what we see in medicine.
Medicine, as I'm learning it, takes a "systems" approach - so we start of by, say, learning that we have a heart; where it is; that it has 4 chambers ... right down to some basic understanding of how it contracts (due to release of Ca triggering actin-myosin interaction). Yes we do learn about the smaller scale, but we not need to know it in as much detail as a Biochemisty graduate, but on the flip side we need to see things right up to the population / global level and look at, say, disease trends.
(I din't know exactly where my spleen, appendix or liver was located until uni.... if you want that sort of example)
youngyew
08-03-2011, 03:13 AM
Hello, I'm a STPM student currently studying Biology, and i consider medicine as one of my career choices.
Every now and then, I hear people telling others that medicine is VERY different from what we learn in Biology. Granted. 1.5 years of STPM is too short to cover the basics of EVERY field, e.g. physiology, biochemistry, anatomy, genetics.
However, people keep saying that "to study medicine you don't really need biology". Now how is this so?
Can anybody give a CONCRETE example of how medical studies is different from Biology/Biomedical science/Biochemistry... per se?
From my post some time ago:
I concur that high school Biology is relevant to medicine. However, the relevance only goes as far as the first year or two when you are doing microbiology, basic physiology and probably embryology (do you learn this in A-level Biology by the way). Outside these subjects, medicine does not quite bear any semblance to biology.
I would say that while biology may serve as an indicator of one's aptitude in studying medicine, in that it entails a similar set of skills e.g. memorisation of details, it shouldn't be seen as the "pre-medicine subject" which seem to be the widely held perception amongst Malaysians and Malaysian universities. There are so many people who think that they are not cut out to do medicine just because they don't like to learn all about biodiversity, chlorophyll and cotyledons, and some may even give up the path entirely just because of the unnecessary roadblock in this subject requirement. I believe that such a misconception is as misguided as the belief that people who can't bear a needle injection or the sight of blood can never be a doctor. It's just not right.
Yup actually they have a good reason to. Biology is really not that "useful" in medicine. To give you an overview, basically some thing like 20% of what you did in all your biology subject might be related to medicine, but that makes up something like < 0.1% of what you will do in medicine. The other 99.9% are all new stuff, so whether you have done biology or not is not quite directly related to your aptitude in the medical course.
Will write more when I have time if you need more in-depth examples.
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