consciousness experiment

[iQing]

let's do experiment with consciousness..

there is no rule that says consciousness is contained in s physical body (like saying we are bodies with souls)

consciousness might not be confined in space and time... it might expand beyound the range of physical body... or it is in the whole reality... and consciousness of individuals might be connected (some sort of universal internet :P)

now try "shifting" your consciousness to various parts of your bodies like hands, legs and perceive from there... get the sensation

and try "shirting" consciousness to other objects, animals and people and perceive the sensation from them

go on to other stuffs like clouds, weather, planet, etc...

and tell me what you have found by doing so :P
*expecting interesting result*

[vseehua]

try listening to the sound of raindrops, or the soound of leaves on trees are they are blown over by the wind..listen carefully and attentively...somewhere in this process you'll find a sense of peace within yourself...a sense of peace not found anywhere else...life's so beautiful...

[banshee]

8O aye aye...

anemism.... :roll: i know there's story about the Japanese doll with hair growing longer,longer from time to time..

for me, that's kind of evil spirit...there're differnt spirits living on this earth..

there are 2 types of misleading thinking about the evil spirit.
1, is people who don't trust that evil spirit exist..
2, is people who have special obssessive interest on the evil spirit...
according to C.S. Lewis.

everyone does have soul..i believe...about soul moving to other thingy... Em... Em... soul only exist 2 ways i think... 1 is inside the mortal body, 1 is outside of the body...

Outside the body 1...i think.. 1 type is waiting to go to heaven or hell..
1 type is going to heaven
1 type is going to hell...

talk about consciousness in that way..it's moving forward to religion psychology..

[iQing]

the thread starter didnt mention about soul, heaven nor hell..
he only talks about psyche, a component that is not limited to space time.

you yourself lead the topic to religious debates.

[Newsin]

errgh..how to switch consciousness to other object??
feel from a pen or something???

[FCHP]

Is awareness the best way to describe consciousness? Unfortunately most definitions can never be totally accurate but in what follows let's just describe it as such. To different parts of the body I guess moving our consciousness/awareness is quite easy as we have sense of touch/feel throughout our whole body but we're not really aware of all of it at the same time. Right now I mostly feel my fingers pressing the keyboard and my left hand fingers having much less sensations cos i've been playing the guitar too much and i most of the fingertips are all dead skin...hahaha...
Anyway so yes, we can focus our awareness on different parts of our body, for example you probably don't realize your tongue tip is pressing against hard teeth till you read this sentence right? unless of course in the absence of teeth, well i'm not sure how that feels like... anybody care to share? :D
But guess you get the picture. About switching consciousness to objects however, this is what i experienced...
I can imagine being the empty cup on my table would be quite hollow and hard on the outside but that's based on my perception that it is empty and i've felt it before so i know it has a hard surface. It's the same with other things, i'd probably imagine being a cloud to be fluffy and soft and cold as well. But if that's as far as I get with attempting to move my awareness to other objects, have it really moved? Our consciouness is desribed by our five senses but is that all? If that is so, a robot that with the same sensory capabilities would be described as being conscious. Now that doesn't make sense does it? Even if we don't know exactly, i'm sure most people would agree that consciousness takes something more than just senses. Therefore for myself, I know i am conscious and aware but i've not been able to move that to other objects and things. At least this is what I thought, felt and concluded.

An interesting question relating to consciousness that I would like to pose here would be

Can you remember when you became aware/conscious?

I tend to believe that a new born baby isn't really conscious and is driven mostly by natural instincts like eating, pain, being able to swim (really not joking)... however somewhere along the process of growing we become conscious and aware of ourself... anybody experienced something like that?

[iQing]

memory may not related directly to consciousness. it dies when the brain dies.
there are living beings without memory capacity but still they are conscious.

[Newsin]

i read about something like...
when u are relaxed or err....alpha state of mind
you can..err..visualize about stuff that u dont know..
for instance...A were given only the name of B( u dont know him/her)..but ..A can actually know how was the condition of B..why is that?

[oneforthelord]

I tend to believe that a new born baby isn't really conscious and is driven mostly by natural instincts like eating, pain, being able to swim (really not joking)... however somewhere along the process of growing we become conscious and aware of ourself... anybody experienced something like that?

It's scientifically proven that most people, if not everyone, forgets when they become "aware" as you put it. Actually, it has been found in Developmental Psych that babies don't really have the capacity to be termed "conscious" until a certain age because their brains haven't developed. That's why most babies are born with reflexes such as the Palmar grasp reflex and the Moro reflex. This enables them to survive and might be an evolutionary throwback.

When babies are older, they seem to be conscious, but could it be argued that all that they do is because they are driven by instincts? Looking around and playing with things could be explained by the need for stimulation. Hunger and thirst drive the desire for food and drink and etc.

Eh your experiment a bit dangerous, so I dunwanna try. Sounds a lot like astral projection and those type of stuffs, which I tend to stay far away from. But with regards to moving your "consciousness" or "awareness", only when you focus on that part then you begin to feel the sensations more acutely. When you didn't notice something it's because you've become habituated to it or desensitized. It's a natural process that takes place to reduce unnecessary stimulation. It's to ensure that less-important signals don't fight with the important signals during transmission, so the less important signals are rerouted elsewhere or blocked.

[iQing]

I tend to believe that a new born baby isn't really conscious and is driven mostly by natural instincts like eating, pain, being able to swim (really not joking)... however somewhere along the process of growing we become conscious and aware of ourself... anybody experienced something like that?

It's scientifically proven that most people, if not everyone, forgets when they become "aware" as you put it. Actually, it has been found in Developmental Psych that babies don't really have the capacity to be termed "conscious" until a certain age because their brains haven't developed. That's why most babies are born with reflexes such as the Palmar grasp reflex and the Moro reflex. This enables them to survive and might be an evolutionary throwback.

When babies are older, they seem to be conscious, but could it be argued that all that they do is because they are driven by instincts? Looking around and playing with things could be explained by the need for stimulation. Hunger and thirst drive the desire for food and drink and etc.

Eh your experiment a bit dangerous, so I dunwanna try. Sounds a lot like astral projection and those type of stuffs, which I tend to stay far away from. But with regards to moving your "consciousness" or "awareness", only when you focus on that part then you begin to feel the sensations more acutely. When you didn't notice something it's because you've become habituated to it or desensitized. It's a natural process that takes place to reduce unnecessary stimulation. It's to ensure that less-important signals don't fight with the important signals during transmission, so the less important signals are rerouted elsewhere or blocked.

That is why I find Psychology is very very very limited
that is why I prefer to learn about the Psyche via quantum physics.
it is far beyond newtonian laws and depict the reality far better than Psychology.

mY experiement is dangerous and it is related to OBE?
well up to your to stay limited...
many people have chosen not to develop their natural abilities so is their choices.
This is a good experiment as proven that Our consciousness is manipulating pobabilities whether we know it or not and we are moving the world with butterfly effect. It is good to understand about our own consciousness than being a timid person who guess about the psyche without trying anything and label anything new ideas as dangerous.

mind, which is directly related to brain,
is different from consciousness
unless you firmly believe that mind is the same as consciousness,
then baby and ants are consciousnessless beings....

[Newsin]

so moving consciousness is still about trying to move awareness(how?) to other object?

[iQing]

simply feel being other objects... just like u use to be in your body.

[deRame]

i wonder how it feels being a toilet bowl....buurrpp!...yummy! :lol: :lol:

[Newsin]

have to be relax first? or can do it after finish sejarah paper1?
(15 minute to finish the question...45 minute nothing to do lea..) :lol:

[banshee]

:!: actually, there's a theory to support levels of consciousness...
the healthy people are in the level of most conscious...

not that i agree with the theory..but, i think Gestalt theory is more psychology like...


however, i think iQing is suggesting something on more cosmic & physical view...

[vseehua]

i think iqing had experienced some sort of higher level of counsiousness..just like what we all will when we are meditating...it's like we are aware of many many things that we normally won't experience in everyday life...it's a very very nice experience...

[iQing]

neh, I am just applying it in daily life..
our reality is just a complex matrix of energy with specific vibrational codes everywhere, and things have thier own consciousness, although they might not work like human's psyche....

consciousness is interconnected everywhere and any choices made by an individual consciousness will affect the reality matrix like butterfly effect...

for example, when you will, imagine and feel that the air particles in certain area are burning hot, you will notice there would be a change in wind direction and the temperature of that area might rise.... can observe from other signs like the formation of clouds etc. (just using pyrokinesis as an example)

There is no rule saying that only things with human brain have consciousness :P
as long as free will is there, consciousness is there...

[Newsin]

Hey anyone use bwgen here??
anyway...i found something interesting
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14409

[iQing]

BW Gen?
many session editors produce bwgen sessions themselves and we do not know how they program their stuffs.

I prefer to use transparentcorp's stuffs like BSS and NNS

I do not think brainwave entrainment stuffs are necessary since we can train ourself to go into any brainstate at our own will.

[Newsin]

Ermm why we have to know how they program it?8O
We could still check it if it comes with a preset right?
About BSS and NNS...i think they are still entrainment stuff aren't they?Or could you tell me the difference?
Thank you :P

[Randize]

This is really interesting. I have tried this before, trying to "be" someone else by shifting my mind, I guess it is consciousness, to other person.

Upon trying so, I felt giddy at that instant. I guess you have some kind of barrier to shift your consciousness. This is somehow related to telepathic.

I'm not a psychology student by the way, but I'm really interested in this sort of things. Referring to your previous post, you said that human brain waves can be control by will if trained, but is it possible to go beyond alpha level or perhaps theta? I would like to try that but I don't have the right equipment to do so, besides EEG, what else can be used?