Cradle Investment Programme

[z]

Heard of Cradle Investment Programme?
http://www.cradle.com.my

News coverage:
http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2004/2/5/technology/7255787&sec=technology

Brainstorming anyone? :)

[z]

Heard of Cradle Investment Programme?
http://www.cradle.com.my

News coverage:
http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2004/2/5/technology/7255787&sec=technology

Brainstorming anyone? :)

[masterof_none]

Cool. Great information and obviously, it's a good move by Mavcap.

I have a few notes about this information:
1. RM50000 (note, it's RM), is obviously not enough for a start-up, but it may perhaps get the feet on the ground. It's a good start to get
RM50,000 ready.

2. The mentoring program is great.Definitely useful.

great step to nurture the spirit of entrepreneurship among Malaysians.
BUt, I think they can make it something like , presentation...
(and give the video to us...so that we got the idea what's going on).


p/s: but I have a comment on the video...most of video are cut off in the end.

[masterof_none]

Cool. Great information and obviously, it's a good move by Mavcap.

I have a few notes about this information:
1. RM50000 (note, it's RM), is obviously not enough for a start-up, but it may perhaps get the feet on the ground. It's a good start to get
RM50,000 ready.

2. The mentoring program is great.Definitely useful.

great step to nurture the spirit of entrepreneurship among Malaysians.
BUt, I think they can make it something like , presentation...
(and give the video to us...so that we got the idea what's going on).


p/s: but I have a comment on the video...most of video are cut off in the end.

[Schye]

wow, interesting ...
However it focuses more in ICT :(

and yup, the mentoring programme is really useful ...

Q: Will I be forced to receive Mavcap funding / sell my company at a later stage?
A: You will never be 'forced' to sell your company at any stage. Mavcap merely reserves the first right to invest in your company if your idea is eligible for seed stage funding. However, you can always 'withdraw' your idea at any time by repaying the amount of the grant to CIP. The first right of refusal that Mavcap has on ideas in the Idea Bank is limited to 1 year.

well, i see this as an opportunity to get someone to invest in your idea starting by the rm50k ;)

[Schye]

wow, interesting ...
However it focuses more in ICT :(

and yup, the mentoring programme is really useful ...

Q: Will I be forced to receive Mavcap funding / sell my company at a later stage?
A: You will never be 'forced' to sell your company at any stage. Mavcap merely reserves the first right to invest in your company if your idea is eligible for seed stage funding. However, you can always 'withdraw' your idea at any time by repaying the amount of the grant to CIP. The first right of refusal that Mavcap has on ideas in the Idea Bank is limited to 1 year.

well, i see this as an opportunity to get someone to invest in your idea starting by the rm50k ;)

[jiinjoo]

RM50000 (note, it's RM), is obviously not enough for a start-up
Hence the term "pre"-"seed" fund. You know, like, "before", the actual "seed" fund, which comes before the actual "fund"... Everytime I hear this term I'll remember the $50 "seed fund" I got to organize Malaysia Forum grrrrrrrr........

Why only MIT, Monash and NUS? ReCom can also submit! :) Unfortunately we don't have access to the ideas that people have - coz it is important for them to get a head start especially if they want the idea to mateiralize. I have so many friends who have this thing going on in their head but will not even mention a word... unless they start soliciting for partnership (of which I've always rejected so far...) to do the "technical part" (no one ask me to do the "business part"... I wonder why...) and even then they don't want to tell you the whole story.

I say we submit ReCom as an idea to get RM50K to run our projects - what do you guys think? 8)

[jiinjoo]

RM50000 (note, it's RM), is obviously not enough for a start-up
Hence the term "pre"-"seed" fund. You know, like, "before", the actual "seed" fund, which comes before the actual "fund"... Everytime I hear this term I'll remember the $50 "seed fund" I got to organize Malaysia Forum grrrrrrrr........

Why only MIT, Monash and NUS? ReCom can also submit! :) Unfortunately we don't have access to the ideas that people have - coz it is important for them to get a head start especially if they want the idea to mateiralize. I have so many friends who have this thing going on in their head but will not even mention a word... unless they start soliciting for partnership (of which I've always rejected so far...) to do the "technical part" (no one ask me to do the "business part"... I wonder why...) and even then they don't want to tell you the whole story.

I say we submit ReCom as an idea to get RM50K to run our projects - what do you guys think? 8)

[Schye]

I say we submit ReCom as an idea to get RM50K to run our projects - what do you guys think? 8)

Worth a try ;)

[Schye]

I say we submit ReCom as an idea to get RM50K to run our projects - what do you guys think? 8)

Worth a try ;)

[z]

let's think about how recom can be self sustainable.

[z]

let's think about how recom can be self sustainable.

[silverblue]

uu... this is good resource, z.

anyway, yeah i think recom.org should give it a try too... however, we will need to convince them that we actually need RM50,000 to operate.

Yup, so we need to brainstorm a little and write up a good proposal... I tried talking to TheStar about our mini column back during Winter break... but it seems that they weren't interested at all because Recom was still such a small org. and still growing/changing. I think we need to be a full-fledged organization before attempting to go really big.... u know what I mean?

But of course, we could work towards some goal (eg. getting column in TheStar and applying for the RM50,000 here)

[silverblue]

uu... this is good resource, z.

anyway, yeah i think recom.org should give it a try too... however, we will need to convince them that we actually need RM50,000 to operate.

Yup, so we need to brainstorm a little and write up a good proposal... I tried talking to TheStar about our mini column back during Winter break... but it seems that they weren't interested at all because Recom was still such a small org. and still growing/changing. I think we need to be a full-fledged organization before attempting to go really big.... u know what I mean?

But of course, we could work towards some goal (eg. getting column in TheStar and applying for the RM50,000 here)

[z]

i think they want something that's profitable, or have some business/financial value in it.

what sort of services or products(?) can recom provide? eventually we need to be able to self-sustain if we're going to grow. need some really good services to convince them that we're a viable "business" :D

[z]

i think they want something that's profitable, or have some business/financial value in it.

what sort of services or products(?) can recom provide? eventually we need to be able to self-sustain if we're going to grow. need some really good services to convince them that we're a viable "business" :D

[silverblue]

See? This is the hardest part...

back then, when we were trying to register Recom as a business entity, we couldn't think of a physical product that Recom could provide. Furthermore, we are all students... how do we juggle between school and business? We might have to be cautious here not to violate any of our scholarship contract agreements in such a way that being part of this 'business entity' will not affect our studies.

So, I say we brainstorm on what kind of services or products we can produce that is really practical. The newsletter/magazine could be a good product actually. A recom tech product could be another good idea. Or maybe we can come up with something like an investment program service?? hahaha... just brainstorming... :P

[silverblue]

See? This is the hardest part...

back then, when we were trying to register Recom as a business entity, we couldn't think of a physical product that Recom could provide. Furthermore, we are all students... how do we juggle between school and business? We might have to be cautious here not to violate any of our scholarship contract agreements in such a way that being part of this 'business entity' will not affect our studies.

So, I say we brainstorm on what kind of services or products we can produce that is really practical. The newsletter/magazine could be a good product actually. A recom tech product could be another good idea. Or maybe we can come up with something like an investment program service?? hahaha... just brainstorming... :P

[chenchow]

The application of funding is up to RM50,000, and that does not mean that we necesarily need to find something to apply for RM50,000. If we can find value to apply for say RM10,000 for Recom.org , that would be great too~!

So, lets everyone brainstorm about it...

I am adding this topic into Investment SIG, so everyone that wants to discuss about this. Lets join Investment SIG.

[chenchow]

The application of funding is up to RM50,000, and that does not mean that we necesarily need to find something to apply for RM50,000. If we can find value to apply for say RM10,000 for Recom.org , that would be great too~!

So, lets everyone brainstorm about it...

I am adding this topic into Investment SIG, so everyone that wants to discuss about this. Lets join Investment SIG.

[jiinjoo]

Let me take a stab - I know this will be totally weird, so for what it's worth. This is just my opinion anyway - feel free to add on / disagree etc.

ReCom produces people. It produces highly concious citizens of the world. We build our product by letting our products participate in self-learning. By guiding people along this self-learning process, we allow our people to be critical of issues that they care about. When they "graduate" from ReCom, they form an alliance that will make great things happen.

Product differentiation: The first thing you think about when you read the blurb above will be - isn't this education? That's where we have a niche in the market. We provide what education can't, or at least, what institutionalize education can't. You cannot expect the entire country to learn the exact same thing, but you also want to have certain basic living skills / knowledge that you wish to impart to every single cictizen, especially the skill to read. We provide the skill to think and grow - or anything - that cannot be thought in school.

Market penetration: The toughest competition we'll face will include, family education, extra co-curricular activities in school, and computer games. But because of our high quality end-product (as compared to the gamers, who are usually good at only one thing like sniping), we are poised to take over the student market. After that we can continue to penetrate the adult market, especially those who didn't enjoy this in school.

Scale: Our platform is highly scalable. Built on the modern technologies of the Internet, we have the ability to scale to any size. A recent introduction of SIG (Special Interest Groups) shows how we can capitalize on modularity, i.e. splitting up the otherwise confusing mess of forums that will accumulate should there be a huge increase of participants. Technically, scalling simply means "beating the iron", i.e. more computers, more bandwidth - easily achievable as demonstrated by industry leaders like Google.

Product diversification: We are also poised to create a large variety of products that will adapt to different needs of the society. This is because our product have a larger variety of skills as well as depth in their area of specialty. The people that we produce are willing to learn new skills when the market direction changes. They adapt and cultivate themselves better because of the support given to them, and in turn they come back to support others.

ROI (Return on Investment): As far as we know, the value of our product is infinite. Even if our products are 99% defect, it takes only one good product to make a huge difference in the world. So the ROI = Infinity / (Cost of hardware + software + bandwidth) = Infinity. We welcome economist from different school of thought to come up with a better model than this. 8)


There. Many great reasons that our idea is fantastic. The RM50K probably for buying domain name, server, and bandwidth...... and sponsor cooking materials for cooking classes :) (Yet another failure in our kemahiran hidup - the food that we're taught to cook not good enough)

[jiinjoo]

Let me take a stab - I know this will be totally weird, so for what it's worth. This is just my opinion anyway - feel free to add on / disagree etc.

ReCom produces people. It produces highly concious citizens of the world. We build our product by letting our products participate in self-learning. By guiding people along this self-learning process, we allow our people to be critical of issues that they care about. When they "graduate" from ReCom, they form an alliance that will make great things happen.

Product differentiation: The first thing you think about when you read the blurb above will be - isn't this education? That's where we have a niche in the market. We provide what education can't, or at least, what institutionalize education can't. You cannot expect the entire country to learn the exact same thing, but you also want to have certain basic living skills / knowledge that you wish to impart to every single cictizen, especially the skill to read. We provide the skill to think and grow - or anything - that cannot be thought in school.

Market penetration: The toughest competition we'll face will include, family education, extra co-curricular activities in school, and computer games. But because of our high quality end-product (as compared to the gamers, who are usually good at only one thing like sniping), we are poised to take over the student market. After that we can continue to penetrate the adult market, especially those who didn't enjoy this in school.

Scale: Our platform is highly scalable. Built on the modern technologies of the Internet, we have the ability to scale to any size. A recent introduction of SIG (Special Interest Groups) shows how we can capitalize on modularity, i.e. splitting up the otherwise confusing mess of forums that will accumulate should there be a huge increase of participants. Technically, scalling simply means "beating the iron", i.e. more computers, more bandwidth - easily achievable as demonstrated by industry leaders like Google.

Product diversification: We are also poised to create a large variety of products that will adapt to different needs of the society. This is because our product have a larger variety of skills as well as depth in their area of specialty. The people that we produce are willing to learn new skills when the market direction changes. They adapt and cultivate themselves better because of the support given to them, and in turn they come back to support others.

ROI (Return on Investment): As far as we know, the value of our product is infinite. Even if our products are 99% defect, it takes only one good product to make a huge difference in the world. So the ROI = Infinity / (Cost of hardware + software + bandwidth) = Infinity. We welcome economist from different school of thought to come up with a better model than this. 8)


There. Many great reasons that our idea is fantastic. The RM50K probably for buying domain name, server, and bandwidth...... and sponsor cooking materials for cooking classes :) (Yet another failure in our kemahiran hidup - the food that we're taught to cook not good enough)

[jiinjoo]

Oh btw, welcome back silverblue - haven't heard from you for a long time :)

[jiinjoo]

Oh btw, welcome back silverblue - haven't heard from you for a long time :)

[chenchow]

Thanks Jiin Joo for setting us up here.

Yeah, ReCom.org is a niche organization, which is something that not many, or perhaps no one has done it right.

One main thing we have to look into is what is our sustainable competitive advantage? What we want others to recognize ReCom as? We have heard from many ReCom members about ReCom being different than other forum, communities that they join...

One of our main advantage is that ReCom has an abundance of talent. You know who you are, and each and everyone in ReCom adds value to this wonderful network. The greater the spanning of the network, the better we are...

You name the talent you wish to find in the world and you will find it here... Amazon, Intel, Oracle, IBM, JP Morgan, Petronas, ... all have been tackled down by various ReCom members...so you know that you are talented...

You name the top universities in the world, and you will find ReCom members in it, be it MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, Oxford, ANU, top unis in Japan, Germany, France, NZ, Canada etc... We have ReCom members over there... So, this is our main UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Lets put our brain together and create significant increase in value for the benefits of all of us and for the betterment of our country and the world!

[chenchow]

Thanks Jiin Joo for setting us up here.

Yeah, ReCom.org is a niche organization, which is something that not many, or perhaps no one has done it right.

One main thing we have to look into is what is our sustainable competitive advantage? What we want others to recognize ReCom as? We have heard from many ReCom members about ReCom being different than other forum, communities that they join...

One of our main advantage is that ReCom has an abundance of talent. You know who you are, and each and everyone in ReCom adds value to this wonderful network. The greater the spanning of the network, the better we are...

You name the talent you wish to find in the world and you will find it here... Amazon, Intel, Oracle, IBM, JP Morgan, Petronas, ... all have been tackled down by various ReCom members...so you know that you are talented...

You name the top universities in the world, and you will find ReCom members in it, be it MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge, Oxford, ANU, top unis in Japan, Germany, France, NZ, Canada etc... We have ReCom members over there... So, this is our main UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Lets put our brain together and create significant increase in value for the benefits of all of us and for the betterment of our country and the world!

[silverblue]

Yeah... sorry for my long absence...

It was really hard to be online so often when you only get to go back home once in 4 years... :( Then, at Cornell, organizing this huge-scaled Interactive Malay Wedding Dinner Event took up a large chuck of my time... But anyway, now (despite the piling workload), hopefully I'll be able to make a comeback at Recom ;P

Back to the topic... Okay..I don't mean to be pessimistic or anything, but over winter break, I met up with this genius guy who just graduated with a Marketing diplom/business degree and minor in advertising. When I proposed the idea about Recom.org getting the support of local newspapers, he said that the papers would be very skeptical of such an organization.

One of the reasons is because they don't think this kind of community will last long. They think it will die out for sure no matter how strong we may appear to be now. This is probably bcos we have no obligation to be committed to this org. Even the Recom Anchors can just drop out like that when they get to a point where they feel bored with Recom. There is no binding contract for them to serve Recom. There is no direct benefit (although there are many intangible possibilities as pointed out by Jiin Joo). There is no gurantee that the people-product that we produce will continue to contribute to Recom.

So what happens when this generation of 'active' members die out or grow out of it? Then will Recom still be what it is today? Even if we pledge to stay loyal to Recom now, it isn't official and anything can happen. Unless there is something that binds us...something that gives us the incentive not to ever leave Recom. Then we will be sure of continuance and that there will always be a group of people administrating Recom.

p/s: Please keep in mind that these opinions are not meant to defeat our spirits but to prepare us for the questions that skeptics may ask and allow us to prepare for answers to counter them.

[silverblue]

Yeah... sorry for my long absence...

It was really hard to be online so often when you only get to go back home once in 4 years... :( Then, at Cornell, organizing this huge-scaled Interactive Malay Wedding Dinner Event took up a large chuck of my time... But anyway, now (despite the piling workload), hopefully I'll be able to make a comeback at Recom ;P

Back to the topic... Okay..I don't mean to be pessimistic or anything, but over winter break, I met up with this genius guy who just graduated with a Marketing diplom/business degree and minor in advertising. When I proposed the idea about Recom.org getting the support of local newspapers, he said that the papers would be very skeptical of such an organization.

One of the reasons is because they don't think this kind of community will last long. They think it will die out for sure no matter how strong we may appear to be now. This is probably bcos we have no obligation to be committed to this org. Even the Recom Anchors can just drop out like that when they get to a point where they feel bored with Recom. There is no binding contract for them to serve Recom. There is no direct benefit (although there are many intangible possibilities as pointed out by Jiin Joo). There is no gurantee that the people-product that we produce will continue to contribute to Recom.

So what happens when this generation of 'active' members die out or grow out of it? Then will Recom still be what it is today? Even if we pledge to stay loyal to Recom now, it isn't official and anything can happen. Unless there is something that binds us...something that gives us the incentive not to ever leave Recom. Then we will be sure of continuance and that there will always be a group of people administrating Recom.

p/s: Please keep in mind that these opinions are not meant to defeat our spirits but to prepare us for the questions that skeptics may ask and allow us to prepare for answers to counter them.

[chenchow]

Silverblue has spent a whole lot of time on the Interactive Wedding and she definitely deserves huge credit on the resounding success!

Back to ReCom, what is pointed out by Cheryl is true, but I think UKEC and other organizations operate on the same note and they have gotten strong backing. I seriously think that we could strike a good alliance with UKEC or Malaysian Student Council in Australia etc, to boost ReCom's name over in UK, Australia etc.

As Cheryl's said, pondering over all these concern will be essential as we are thinking on the next step of ReCom.

[chenchow]

Silverblue has spent a whole lot of time on the Interactive Wedding and she definitely deserves huge credit on the resounding success!

Back to ReCom, what is pointed out by Cheryl is true, but I think UKEC and other organizations operate on the same note and they have gotten strong backing. I seriously think that we could strike a good alliance with UKEC or Malaysian Student Council in Australia etc, to boost ReCom's name over in UK, Australia etc.

As Cheryl's said, pondering over all these concern will be essential as we are thinking on the next step of ReCom.

[jiinjoo]

silverblue, you should definitely post some of the pictures of the wedding if possible to our gallery :)

Again, I can address this skepticism by your Mr. Business Man. But I must say before hand that this is not a logical address, but an empirical one.

Let me suggest that we look into a model like Angkatan Belia Islam Malaysia. http://www.abim.org.my/ is the website and for those who are new to this org, they're basically a group of young people that tries to promote Islam in Malaysia. Nothing special you say, only difference is lots of ABIM "graduates" are actually controlling much of Malaysia today. They were once ABIM members running around recruiting, coversing, teaching, preaching etc. But people move on - the "active" people move on as an when they felt like going. Most importantly, they left with the same dedication in mind - to promote Islam in Malaysia together with friends he made in ABIM. One thing not publicized widely on the newspapers is how our country operates - transparancy is nice for accounting, but the real machinary lies in connections. Sometimes when two big entity (gov vs private, between parties, schools, mosques, businesses etc.) have disagreement, somehow it got resolve - did it happen magically? No! Insiders have direct contact with insiders on the other side, and because they are able to connect informally, they tend to achieve better understanding and solve problems. How did they know each other, and why are they willing to help each other? Through organizations like ABIM (and many many others). Did they continue to make ABIM successful? No need, ABIM is for B Belia, and they continue to expand their network. Does the coorperation even have to be related to Islam? Not at all.

But I do agree in ONE point that Mr. Business Man (sorry, I don't know his name...) made, which is that there is no direct benefit. Seeing things from the business world, this direct benefit needs be valued in absolute dollar value. If you come from an economist point of view, there can be what's called positive externalities and there's also spill over effect. Although I have no model in mind, I still think it is huge. At the same time, we do try to have services that have direct benefit, like sourcing weblinks/information for members, provide games / instant messeger services, free web mail, etc. But I didn't mention them coz I think the second level benefit just totally blow away the first level benefit...

I love brainstorming :D

[jiinjoo]

silverblue, you should definitely post some of the pictures of the wedding if possible to our gallery :)

Again, I can address this skepticism by your Mr. Business Man. But I must say before hand that this is not a logical address, but an empirical one.

Let me suggest that we look into a model like Angkatan Belia Islam Malaysia. http://www.abim.org.my/ is the website and for those who are new to this org, they're basically a group of young people that tries to promote Islam in Malaysia. Nothing special you say, only difference is lots of ABIM "graduates" are actually controlling much of Malaysia today. They were once ABIM members running around recruiting, coversing, teaching, preaching etc. But people move on - the "active" people move on as an when they felt like going. Most importantly, they left with the same dedication in mind - to promote Islam in Malaysia together with friends he made in ABIM. One thing not publicized widely on the newspapers is how our country operates - transparancy is nice for accounting, but the real machinary lies in connections. Sometimes when two big entity (gov vs private, between parties, schools, mosques, businesses etc.) have disagreement, somehow it got resolve - did it happen magically? No! Insiders have direct contact with insiders on the other side, and because they are able to connect informally, they tend to achieve better understanding and solve problems. How did they know each other, and why are they willing to help each other? Through organizations like ABIM (and many many others). Did they continue to make ABIM successful? No need, ABIM is for B Belia, and they continue to expand their network. Does the coorperation even have to be related to Islam? Not at all.

But I do agree in ONE point that Mr. Business Man (sorry, I don't know his name...) made, which is that there is no direct benefit. Seeing things from the business world, this direct benefit needs be valued in absolute dollar value. If you come from an economist point of view, there can be what's called positive externalities and there's also spill over effect. Although I have no model in mind, I still think it is huge. At the same time, we do try to have services that have direct benefit, like sourcing weblinks/information for members, provide games / instant messeger services, free web mail, etc. But I didn't mention them coz I think the second level benefit just totally blow away the first level benefit...

I love brainstorming :D

[masterof_none]

Yeah... sorry for my long absence...

It was really hard to be online so often when you only get to go back home once in 4 years... :( Then, at Cornell, organizing this huge-scaled Interactive Malay Wedding Dinner Event took up a large chuck of my time... But anyway, now (despite the piling workload), hopefully I'll be able to make a comeback at Recom ;P


yep, that's true silverblue. In fact, I've been waiting for replying this thread since last couple of days..but only now I found my time.
Welcome Back to ReCOm!


Back to the topic... Okay..I don't mean to be pessimistic or anything, but over winter break, I met up with this genius guy


trust me, you probably more genius than this guy. If he's genius, I think he already become Einstein, or came out in the news. The fact that ReCom members don't know him is probably because he's not even in the news and therefore he might not be as genius as he appears to be. (I think Jiin Joo is more genius than him)


who just graduated with a Marketing diplom/business degree and minor in advertising. When I proposed the idea about Recom.org getting the support of local newspapers, he said that the papers would be very skeptical of such an organization.
One of the reasons is because they don't think this kind of community will last long. They think it will die out for sure no matter how strong we may appear to be now. This is probably bcos we have no obligation to be committed to this org.

Hmm.. appears to be true


Even the Recom Anchors can just drop out like that when they get to a point where they feel bored with Recom. There is no binding contract for them to serve Recom. There is no direct benefit (although there are many intangible possibilities as pointed out by Jiin Joo). There is no gurantee that the people-product that we produce will continue to contribute to Recom.

He missed the point. ReCom is Networking. We can leverage on that.
The problem is, we're still students and not everyone has the faintest idea what ReCom is except for the anchors and few members.
This is because, our idea is revolutionary. Our idea is different from anyone else in Malaysia, and in the world. We want to revolutionize Malaysia and benefit from it at the same time.

Plus, we don't have enough funding to finance huge, expensive projects. ReCom is just the baby ReCom revolution.
ReCom should always go to the NeXT Step, it's not just die as
a cyber community. (in fact, I nicknamed this community Not Another Community Zero or NACZ (pron. Nac-zee)..but didn't sound good, before Bachok came out with the name Reborn Community evolves into ReCom after users' poll to shorten the domain name, recom.org)


So what happens when this generation of 'active' members die out or grow out of it? Then will Recom still be what it is today?
Even if we pledge to stay loyal to Recom now, it isn't official and anything can happen. Unless there is something that binds us...something that gives us the incentive not to ever leave Recom. Then we will be sure of continuance and that there will always be a group of people administrating Recom.

about a month ago, I was having this kind of difficulties trying to solve this problem. It appears that we have only 2 choices:
1. become an NGO.
2. become some sort of company run by students.

we've tried the first option, but it appears really tricky.
Hui Lin went to the registrar for club and organzation (for NGO)
and, I realized that we cannot go this far, at least for the time being.

what's left is the second option.
But, even that is a tricky one too.
First, we're students. we have so much work to do and running a company require a big hunk of time.

Second.
We wait till we graduate. We can wait till we graduate, and then only we can decide where ReCom will go. Maybe it could evolves into a company of some sort. or open a college called Recom College, (we can make it like CalTech, small number of students, but brilliant).

The long term aim of ReCom is to build a better Malaysia, and gather Malaysians around the world (<-- who , ever does this?. OnlyReCom.!)

and we want to prove to the world that we can be a developed nation.
So far, we have so much talk around the world, about vision 2020, etc, but not so much of the implementation. it's a shame and embarassment for Malaysians if we failed.

That's the aim of ReCom.


ANd that genius guy should visit the website too.


p/s: Please keep in mind that these opinions are not meant to defeat our spirits but to prepare us for the questions that skeptics may ask and allow us to prepare for answers to counter them.

I have faith in ReCom Anchors.
what's the most important thing is, if people still don't believe what we are doing, the answer is :

we're right, they're wrong...

better still...

we're right, they're idiots ;-)

[masterof_none]

Yeah... sorry for my long absence...

It was really hard to be online so often when you only get to go back home once in 4 years... :( Then, at Cornell, organizing this huge-scaled Interactive Malay Wedding Dinner Event took up a large chuck of my time... But anyway, now (despite the piling workload), hopefully I'll be able to make a comeback at Recom ;P


yep, that's true silverblue. In fact, I've been waiting for replying this thread since last couple of days..but only now I found my time.
Welcome Back to ReCOm!


Back to the topic... Okay..I don't mean to be pessimistic or anything, but over winter break, I met up with this genius guy


trust me, you probably more genius than this guy. If he's genius, I think he already become Einstein, or came out in the news. The fact that ReCom members don't know him is probably because he's not even in the news and therefore he might not be as genius as he appears to be. (I think Jiin Joo is more genius than him)


who just graduated with a Marketing diplom/business degree and minor in advertising. When I proposed the idea about Recom.org getting the support of local newspapers, he said that the papers would be very skeptical of such an organization.
One of the reasons is because they don't think this kind of community will last long. They think it will die out for sure no matter how strong we may appear to be now. This is probably bcos we have no obligation to be committed to this org.

Hmm.. appears to be true


Even the Recom Anchors can just drop out like that when they get to a point where they feel bored with Recom. There is no binding contract for them to serve Recom. There is no direct benefit (although there are many intangible possibilities as pointed out by Jiin Joo). There is no gurantee that the people-product that we produce will continue to contribute to Recom.

He missed the point. ReCom is Networking. We can leverage on that.
The problem is, we're still students and not everyone has the faintest idea what ReCom is except for the anchors and few members.
This is because, our idea is revolutionary. Our idea is different from anyone else in Malaysia, and in the world. We want to revolutionize Malaysia and benefit from it at the same time.

Plus, we don't have enough funding to finance huge, expensive projects. ReCom is just the baby ReCom revolution.
ReCom should always go to the NeXT Step, it's not just die as
a cyber community. (in fact, I nicknamed this community Not Another Community Zero or NACZ (pron. Nac-zee)..but didn't sound good, before Bachok came out with the name Reborn Community evolves into ReCom after users' poll to shorten the domain name, recom.org)


So what happens when this generation of 'active' members die out or grow out of it? Then will Recom still be what it is today?
Even if we pledge to stay loyal to Recom now, it isn't official and anything can happen. Unless there is something that binds us...something that gives us the incentive not to ever leave Recom. Then we will be sure of continuance and that there will always be a group of people administrating Recom.

about a month ago, I was having this kind of difficulties trying to solve this problem. It appears that we have only 2 choices:
1. become an NGO.
2. become some sort of company run by students.

we've tried the first option, but it appears really tricky.
Hui Lin went to the registrar for club and organzation (for NGO)
and, I realized that we cannot go this far, at least for the time being.

what's left is the second option.
But, even that is a tricky one too.
First, we're students. we have so much work to do and running a company require a big hunk of time.

Second.
We wait till we graduate. We can wait till we graduate, and then only we can decide where ReCom will go. Maybe it could evolves into a company of some sort. or open a college called Recom College, (we can make it like CalTech, small number of students, but brilliant).

The long term aim of ReCom is to build a better Malaysia, and gather Malaysians around the world (<-- who , ever does this?. OnlyReCom.!)

and we want to prove to the world that we can be a developed nation.
So far, we have so much talk around the world, about vision 2020, etc, but not so much of the implementation. it's a shame and embarassment for Malaysians if we failed.

That's the aim of ReCom.


ANd that genius guy should visit the website too.


p/s: Please keep in mind that these opinions are not meant to defeat our spirits but to prepare us for the questions that skeptics may ask and allow us to prepare for answers to counter them.

I have faith in ReCom Anchors.
what's the most important thing is, if people still don't believe what we are doing, the answer is :

we're right, they're wrong...

better still...

we're right, they're idiots ;-)