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Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 02:15 PM
:evil: this is evil you know. Evil in this world is humanself.I said human is evil cause they are no feeling to other... You see at WEST ASIA at Baitullaham you see how many human killed by human. Human is very cruel in this animal is not cruel. Lion not killed human if it no in dangerous by the wanna to killed it.
Don't you said evil is come from evil no... it come from human hearts... it lsaid killed killed but to stop the evil you must stop yourself but don't stop other peoiple control yourself only..[/b]

Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 02:15 PM
:evil: this is evil you know. Evil in this world is humanself.I said human is evil cause they are no feeling to other... You see at WEST ASIA at Baitullaham you see how many human killed by human. Human is very cruel in this animal is not cruel. Lion not killed human if it no in dangerous by the wanna to killed it.
Don't you said evil is come from evil no... it come from human hearts... it lsaid killed killed but to stop the evil you must stop yourself but don't stop other peoiple control yourself only..[/b]

Vigilante
27-02-2004, 02:27 PM
Who is evil?
http://www.alanjohns.fsnet.co.uk/goldmember/dr-evil-2.jpg
Muahahahhahaha

Vigilante
27-02-2004, 02:27 PM
Who is evil?
http://www.alanjohns.fsnet.co.uk/goldmember/dr-evil-2.jpg
Muahahahhahaha

laplace
27-02-2004, 02:35 PM
If you know this person, he is the real evil...

http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Bilder/Lavey3.jpg

By the way, this person's name is Anton Szandor Lavey (http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Other2/lavey.htm). Initially I didn't post out this person's name is because his site does not hold any healthy info for Recom but since some of the readers wish to know...

laplace..

laplace
27-02-2004, 02:35 PM
If you know this person, he is the real evil...

http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Bilder/Lavey3.jpg

By the way, this person's name is Anton Szandor Lavey (http://biphome.spray.se/d.scot/Other2/lavey.htm). Initially I didn't post out this person's name is because his site does not hold any healthy info for Recom but since some of the readers wish to know...

laplace..

Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 03:20 PM
I think that one real what people.....SUCKER EVIL......

Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 03:20 PM
I think that one real what people.....SUCKER EVIL......

Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 03:23 PM
IF THAT IS EVIL WHAT IS EVIL EAT............EAT BLOOD, MONKEY,BANANA,FISH,PIRANA FISH,ANACONDA,AND SO ON

Yeogolas
27-02-2004, 03:23 PM
IF THAT IS EVIL WHAT IS EVIL EAT............EAT BLOOD, MONKEY,BANANA,FISH,PIRANA FISH,ANACONDA,AND SO ON

wwhong
27-02-2004, 11:43 PM
what is evil? it all depends on how you define it. basically we use that to define a boundary between 2 sides. generally, those who behaves differently, believe different things will be labeled evil by the majority,sometime it is being used to serve majority interest.

for eg, galileo was defined as evil because he introduced a new idea that is way too advanced for the people of his time to comprehend and appreciate.

but is the so labeled "evil" really evil? maybe if you change a different prospective, that will be different. from the "bad" guy standpoint, the "good" guy is evil too.

wwhong
27-02-2004, 11:43 PM
what is evil? it all depends on how you define it. basically we use that to define a boundary between 2 sides. generally, those who behaves differently, believe different things will be labeled evil by the majority,sometime it is being used to serve majority interest.

for eg, galileo was defined as evil because he introduced a new idea that is way too advanced for the people of his time to comprehend and appreciate.

but is the so labeled "evil" really evil? maybe if you change a different prospective, that will be different. from the "bad" guy standpoint, the "good" guy is evil too.

littlebigone
28-02-2004, 07:54 AM
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't the slightest clue what Yeogolas is saying. Is one of the forum manager's editing his post?

Right now I cannot comprehend a single thing he's saying.

And on who's evil.....definitely Bill Gates. Without a doubt.

littlebigone
28-02-2004, 07:54 AM
I don't know what's going on, but I haven't the slightest clue what Yeogolas is saying. Is one of the forum manager's editing his post?

Right now I cannot comprehend a single thing he's saying.

And on who's evil.....definitely Bill Gates. Without a doubt.

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
28-02-2004, 07:58 AM
no one is inherently evil. The only kind of so-called evil is the delusion of mind, a mind deluded by hatred, jealousy, anger. However, if one can free from the delusion, there's nothing inherently evil.

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
28-02-2004, 07:58 AM
no one is inherently evil. The only kind of so-called evil is the delusion of mind, a mind deluded by hatred, jealousy, anger. However, if one can free from the delusion, there's nothing inherently evil.

littlebigone
28-02-2004, 11:47 AM
what if you're evil for pleasure? or greed? Then you're not being deluded but are consciously making the choice to be evil rite? Then are you inherently evil?

littlebigone
28-02-2004, 11:47 AM
what if you're evil for pleasure? or greed? Then you're not being deluded but are consciously making the choice to be evil rite? Then are you inherently evil?

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 12:07 PM
I would to tell you where are the undertaker hear the evil crying
when they are trying to be a dead man and sleep in the coffin.
You know Jesus is the right thing.....THE TRUTH ABOUT HELL is about the evil................ huauahhhhhhhhhhh
DON"T SAID TO ME YOU ARE BLACK METAL.......... :evil: :twisted:

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 12:07 PM
I would to tell you where are the undertaker hear the evil crying
when they are trying to be a dead man and sleep in the coffin.
You know Jesus is the right thing.....THE TRUTH ABOUT HELL is about the evil................ huauahhhhhhhhhhh
DON"T SAID TO ME YOU ARE BLACK METAL.......... :evil: :twisted:

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 12:10 PM
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments. . .? Luke 16:23


We're going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We'll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don't take what you're going to read lightly. If what you read is true ? YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!

"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in hell!" He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling ? he looked as if his hair was "on end."
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,"Don't you understand? I am in hell. . . Don't let me go back to hell!" . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before."

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 12:10 PM
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments. . .? Luke 16:23


We're going to examine the place the Bible calls hell. We'll present documented evidence for a place called hell. Don't take what you're going to read lightly. If what you read is true ? YOU COULD BE IN SERIOUS DANGER!

"Each time he regained heartbeat and respiration, the patient screamed, "I am in hell!" He was terrified and pleaded with me to help him. I was scared to death. . . Then I noticed a genuinely alarmed look on his face. He had a terrified look worse than the expression seen in death! This patient had a grotesque grimace expressing sheer horror! His pupils were dilated, and he was perspiring and trembling ? he looked as if his hair was "on end."
Then still another strange thing happened. He said,"Don't you understand? I am in hell. . . Don't let me go back to hell!" . . .the man was serious, and it finally occurred to me that he was indeed in trouble. He was in a panic like I had never seen before."

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
28-02-2004, 12:55 PM
when u are consciously making a choice to be "evil"??

then it's your problem of not being in an enlightened state. you are being attached to unworthy stuff , which is not conducive to your well -being, your state of awakening. :)

so, when you are "consciously" making choice to be evil, you are still under delusion. Coz when you see the reality, and cultivate your goodness, you will choose NOT to be evil anymore. haha

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
28-02-2004, 12:55 PM
when u are consciously making a choice to be "evil"??

then it's your problem of not being in an enlightened state. you are being attached to unworthy stuff , which is not conducive to your well -being, your state of awakening. :)

so, when you are "consciously" making choice to be evil, you are still under delusion. Coz when you see the reality, and cultivate your goodness, you will choose NOT to be evil anymore. haha

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 01:24 PM
Evil ... what is evil...... i don't know what is ??????!!!! EVIL IS EVIL.... BUT THE CRUEL EVIL IS HUMAN want to know cause they ... what ... they kill friend rapper daugther, women, kid, make sex with dog, horse, snake-this is real evil,,,,,, and so on..

Yeogolas
28-02-2004, 01:24 PM
Evil ... what is evil...... i don't know what is ??????!!!! EVIL IS EVIL.... BUT THE CRUEL EVIL IS HUMAN want to know cause they ... what ... they kill friend rapper daugther, women, kid, make sex with dog, horse, snake-this is real evil,,,,,, and so on..

qedx
28-02-2004, 07:44 PM
me no understand

qedx
28-02-2004, 07:44 PM
me no understand

wwhong
28-02-2004, 11:56 PM
ermm... yeogolas, if you are just trying to mess around, I don't think this is a suitable place for you. There are many message boards for crap talking, you should have no problem finding a good one for yourself.

no offense but please think before you post anything.

wwhong
28-02-2004, 11:56 PM
ermm... yeogolas, if you are just trying to mess around, I don't think this is a suitable place for you. There are many message boards for crap talking, you should have no problem finding a good one for yourself.

no offense but please think before you post anything.

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
29-02-2004, 12:15 AM
I believe in the ability to everyone to cultivate his or her own goodness. EVERYONE has the ability to cultivate WISDOM, compassion and goodness.

when "evil things" are done, it because people do not cultivate their capability of goodness and compassion and are deluded by hatred, desire and ill will. It's not because he/she is "inherently" evil.

maybe i am a idealist. whatever u like to call me. but this is my ideal.

let's just spend a minute watching our own mind. :) this is a cool thing you can do during meditation :p

"all beings are one"

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
29-02-2004, 12:15 AM
I believe in the ability to everyone to cultivate his or her own goodness. EVERYONE has the ability to cultivate WISDOM, compassion and goodness.

when "evil things" are done, it because people do not cultivate their capability of goodness and compassion and are deluded by hatred, desire and ill will. It's not because he/she is "inherently" evil.

maybe i am a idealist. whatever u like to call me. but this is my ideal.

let's just spend a minute watching our own mind. :) this is a cool thing you can do during meditation :p

"all beings are one"

kennytang
29-02-2004, 05:03 PM
illidan is evil... but i like him :)

//any warcraft clan out there?

kennytang
29-02-2004, 05:03 PM
illidan is evil... but i like him :)

//any warcraft clan out there?

Yeogolas
29-02-2004, 10:15 PM
I think we should know what the topic about..... Maybe other antichrist.I'm not talking to other people who does't not crist, I don't mean that cause we are the nation .....

Yeogolas
29-02-2004, 10:15 PM
I think we should know what the topic about..... Maybe other antichrist.I'm not talking to other people who does't not crist, I don't mean that cause we are the nation .....

topdog
01-03-2004, 01:52 PM
Yeogolas, I'm sure that you have important things to say, but honestly, your terrible English is detracting from your message. Maybe (and I'm assuming here, sorry if I'm wrong) if you're more comfortable with Malay, could you just write in Malay?

topdog
01-03-2004, 01:52 PM
Yeogolas, I'm sure that you have important things to say, but honestly, your terrible English is detracting from your message. Maybe (and I'm assuming here, sorry if I'm wrong) if you're more comfortable with Malay, could you just write in Malay?

littlebigone
01-03-2004, 03:14 PM
shian ling, I see where you're going. It's fine to believe in the goodness of people.

I guess using your train of thought, I would just say that it is my opinion that there are many "deluded" people in this world and I may be one of them.

littlebigone
01-03-2004, 03:14 PM
shian ling, I see where you're going. It's fine to believe in the goodness of people.

I guess using your train of thought, I would just say that it is my opinion that there are many "deluded" people in this world and I may be one of them.

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
02-03-2004, 12:16 AM
yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance.

(this might be religious) anyways, i always follow the principle : when you can truly cultivate your Buddha (wisdom) nature, you can see buddhahood(capacity to cultivate goodness) in everyone. For me personally, it;s really not easy to do that. But at least after some effort, i manage to see how my own hatred arises and allow myself not to identify with it.. Our usual habit is that: hatred arises, i identify/ and get caught up with it... and now what i learn is that: when hatred arises, watch how it arises...how it vanishes...and realize impermanence.. and truth of life. :)

Shian_Ling_the_Duchess
02-03-2004, 12:16 AM
yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance.

(this might be religious) anyways, i always follow the principle : when you can truly cultivate your Buddha (wisdom) nature, you can see buddhahood(capacity to cultivate goodness) in everyone. For me personally, it;s really not easy to do that. But at least after some effort, i manage to see how my own hatred arises and allow myself not to identify with it.. Our usual habit is that: hatred arises, i identify/ and get caught up with it... and now what i learn is that: when hatred arises, watch how it arises...how it vanishes...and realize impermanence.. and truth of life. :)

Panda
19-03-2004, 09:47 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

When we see someone achieve great success, we will surely have a little bit of envy, right? Dont anybody ever deny that.

As long as humans did not change their evil attitude, they will always be fighting and wars and there will be no peace :D :twisted:

Panda
19-03-2004, 09:47 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

When we see someone achieve great success, we will surely have a little bit of envy, right? Dont anybody ever deny that.

As long as humans did not change their evil attitude, they will always be fighting and wars and there will be no peace :D :twisted:

DecentMerson
19-03-2004, 10:23 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

When we see someone achieve great success, we will surely have a little bit of envy, right? Dont anybody ever deny that.

As long as humans did not change their evil attitude, they will always be fighting and wars and there will be no peace :D :twisted:


Not everyone is evil in this world.... there are millions of humanitarian out there.....

there are so many wars because there are evil men that are powerful.....there are more evil men than good men are...

DecentMerson
19-03-2004, 10:23 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

When we see someone achieve great success, we will surely have a little bit of envy, right? Dont anybody ever deny that.

As long as humans did not change their evil attitude, they will always be fighting and wars and there will be no peace :D :twisted:


Not everyone is evil in this world.... there are millions of humanitarian out there.....

there are so many wars because there are evil men that are powerful.....there are more evil men than good men are...

gesar
20-03-2004, 03:09 PM
:D :D I support what DecentMerson said.....there are many good samaritans out there trying to protect the weak but because of certain reasons they cannot fulfill the dreams of the weak.... :D :? :cry: :x :roll:

gesar
20-03-2004, 03:09 PM
:D :D I support what DecentMerson said.....there are many good samaritans out there trying to protect the weak but because of certain reasons they cannot fulfill the dreams of the weak.... :D :? :cry: :x :roll:

yekban81
20-03-2004, 05:48 PM
I wonder what message Yegolas actually want to convey to us. Sorry but I don?t think we get any of your ideas clearly, Yegolas. As far as I can assume from what you wrote, you could have been encountering with sad realities happening around the world; war, brutality, life / holy sacrifice, omens which you never thought of. Being shocked of this happenings, you naturally experience confusion, delusion or some kinda indescribable feeling of which you wanna to express out. I am just guessing, after all your posts are too ambiguous. Anway, just a friendly reminder, I hope you don?t be too obsessed with stuffs which have driven you to think of evil. There are other sides; goods which are worth to explore.

Well, I am well agreed with Shian Ling; yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance. yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance.

I had some delusions at past which inevitably brought sufferings to me. When I think back of all the delusions I have had, I realized that I could have stopped them as soon as they arised if I did not ignore them; I procrastinated to clear off my delusions. Sorry but I do not want to elaborate further about these due to privacy.

Shian Ling, I would be very appreciative that you would share more with us here about Buddha?s teaching. Even that I am a Buddhist by the name, I admits my total ignorance in Buddha teaching. Any good website which offers Buddha education, you may recommend?

Littlebigone, what make u think that bill gates is one of the evils, in no doubt? He got his dream fulfilled and we got our pleasure and benefit out of the technology he brings. I feel he deserve the wealth for what he has been doing diligently for himself and the world.

Panda, I strongly believe that your remark, ?every human is evil? is misleading. Wars occur due to human selfishness, greed, ignorance and many more possible reasons which human can choose. Unfortunately, the choices are made apparently based on the other side, evil. As Shian Ling mentioned, ?so, when you are "consciously" making choice to be evil, you are still under delusion. Coz when you see the reality, and cultivate your goodness, you will choose NOT to be evil anymore.? Every human has choice to cultivate whether their potential good values or the opposite values. If only one explores both side, he/she would choose the good side eventually.

yekban81
20-03-2004, 05:48 PM
I wonder what message Yegolas actually want to convey to us. Sorry but I don?t think we get any of your ideas clearly, Yegolas. As far as I can assume from what you wrote, you could have been encountering with sad realities happening around the world; war, brutality, life / holy sacrifice, omens which you never thought of. Being shocked of this happenings, you naturally experience confusion, delusion or some kinda indescribable feeling of which you wanna to express out. I am just guessing, after all your posts are too ambiguous. Anway, just a friendly reminder, I hope you don?t be too obsessed with stuffs which have driven you to think of evil. There are other sides; goods which are worth to explore.

Well, I am well agreed with Shian Ling; yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance. yea i think that every of us, at certain point, cannot run away from delusion. The Buddha said: life's a suffering. and the suffering comes from delusion and ignorance.

I had some delusions at past which inevitably brought sufferings to me. When I think back of all the delusions I have had, I realized that I could have stopped them as soon as they arised if I did not ignore them; I procrastinated to clear off my delusions. Sorry but I do not want to elaborate further about these due to privacy.

Shian Ling, I would be very appreciative that you would share more with us here about Buddha?s teaching. Even that I am a Buddhist by the name, I admits my total ignorance in Buddha teaching. Any good website which offers Buddha education, you may recommend?

Littlebigone, what make u think that bill gates is one of the evils, in no doubt? He got his dream fulfilled and we got our pleasure and benefit out of the technology he brings. I feel he deserve the wealth for what he has been doing diligently for himself and the world.

Panda, I strongly believe that your remark, ?every human is evil? is misleading. Wars occur due to human selfishness, greed, ignorance and many more possible reasons which human can choose. Unfortunately, the choices are made apparently based on the other side, evil. As Shian Ling mentioned, ?so, when you are "consciously" making choice to be evil, you are still under delusion. Coz when you see the reality, and cultivate your goodness, you will choose NOT to be evil anymore.? Every human has choice to cultivate whether their potential good values or the opposite values. If only one explores both side, he/she would choose the good side eventually.

littlebigone
21-03-2004, 01:35 AM
Littlebigone, what make u think that bill gates is one of the evils, in no doubt? He got his dream fulfilled and we got our pleasure and benefit out of the technology he brings. I feel he deserve the wealth for what he has been doing diligently for himself and the world.


i think that he overcharges for software that is not up to standard. And have you read about the sun microsystems monopoly suite? He's not out to make money, he's out to rule the world!!! hehehe...just joking.

Anyways, I know this has probably been in the minds of many if you've ever had something really bad happen to you, like lose a family member or anything extremely valuable to you. Or suffer from pain and hurt. My question is why is there evil in this world to begin with. Why do people have to die? Why does the heart have to be so fragile? So many whys. Why does all this happen if there is a good god out there? Not starting a religious debate but just wanted to know people's opinions.

I personally used to think that it's all a test from God to see who amongst us would be strong enough to go to heaven. But I don't see that anymore. A good God would want everyone to come to heaven. A good God would probably want everyone to be at peace and experience all the pleasures possible. Why then do we not see this?

littlebigone
21-03-2004, 01:35 AM
Littlebigone, what make u think that bill gates is one of the evils, in no doubt? He got his dream fulfilled and we got our pleasure and benefit out of the technology he brings. I feel he deserve the wealth for what he has been doing diligently for himself and the world.


i think that he overcharges for software that is not up to standard. And have you read about the sun microsystems monopoly suite? He's not out to make money, he's out to rule the world!!! hehehe...just joking.

Anyways, I know this has probably been in the minds of many if you've ever had something really bad happen to you, like lose a family member or anything extremely valuable to you. Or suffer from pain and hurt. My question is why is there evil in this world to begin with. Why do people have to die? Why does the heart have to be so fragile? So many whys. Why does all this happen if there is a good god out there? Not starting a religious debate but just wanted to know people's opinions.

I personally used to think that it's all a test from God to see who amongst us would be strong enough to go to heaven. But I don't see that anymore. A good God would want everyone to come to heaven. A good God would probably want everyone to be at peace and experience all the pleasures possible. Why then do we not see this?

BioTEch_GizMo
21-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.



Every human has a tendency to be evil :twisted: ....so you can say that every human is evil in this world. But even though we have been rooted with evil in us, we do not exhibit that evilness in us. Most of the time the environment shapes us that we do are less inclined toward the evil side and tend to be good hearted. :lol:

It is those who choose to succumb to the evil nature in them that categorizes them as evil people. Being evil is not just something that happens but it is a choice. If we say yes to evil, we are evil.

But how about some circumstances that 'force' us to be evil :roll: ....eg. hardcore poverty cause us to kill (other humans) to obtain food. At that point of severe depression and desperate need, we cannot really tell how evil the person is. Maybe he did not choose it, maybe he did it unconsciously, maybe it's just the body's automatic mechanism that prompted the person to kill. :evil: Anyhow, we will need to experience that breaking point ourselves before we call people evil. Never judge a person by the surface....think, feel and put urself in the person's shoes and you will know what is evil and what is not....... 8O

BioTEch_GizMo
21-03-2004, 04:26 PM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.



Every human has a tendency to be evil :twisted: ....so you can say that every human is evil in this world. But even though we have been rooted with evil in us, we do not exhibit that evilness in us. Most of the time the environment shapes us that we do are less inclined toward the evil side and tend to be good hearted. :lol:

It is those who choose to succumb to the evil nature in them that categorizes them as evil people. Being evil is not just something that happens but it is a choice. If we say yes to evil, we are evil.

But how about some circumstances that 'force' us to be evil :roll: ....eg. hardcore poverty cause us to kill (other humans) to obtain food. At that point of severe depression and desperate need, we cannot really tell how evil the person is. Maybe he did not choose it, maybe he did it unconsciously, maybe it's just the body's automatic mechanism that prompted the person to kill. :evil: Anyhow, we will need to experience that breaking point ourselves before we call people evil. Never judge a person by the surface....think, feel and put urself in the person's shoes and you will know what is evil and what is not....... 8O

sKYwalker
22-03-2004, 09:25 PM
unlike the maxim quoted from the first lines of three-word-script(lousy translation), i strongly feel that humans are fundamentally evil......

....and therefore it is our mission to cleanse our soul in this perverted world.

however, i don tink many can acheive that...
humans are abject, forsaken creatures which lives in a world which may be only a version of the matrix, yet we are happily harming each other and pathetically pursuing something which we will eventually lose....

some may say that this is too pessimistic...yet, life is indeed a thing which we can't possible define it.we may be only characters on the actor stage with the gods as spectators entertaining themselves from watching us from the above, and maybe we are not. hence, the best approach towards life is
"living it to the fullest".

and hopefully there will be peace...

sKYwalker
22-03-2004, 09:25 PM
unlike the maxim quoted from the first lines of three-word-script(lousy translation), i strongly feel that humans are fundamentally evil......

....and therefore it is our mission to cleanse our soul in this perverted world.

however, i don tink many can acheive that...
humans are abject, forsaken creatures which lives in a world which may be only a version of the matrix, yet we are happily harming each other and pathetically pursuing something which we will eventually lose....

some may say that this is too pessimistic...yet, life is indeed a thing which we can't possible define it.we may be only characters on the actor stage with the gods as spectators entertaining themselves from watching us from the above, and maybe we are not. hence, the best approach towards life is
"living it to the fullest".

and hopefully there will be peace...

USSDefiantNX74205
23-03-2004, 12:27 AM
But how about some circumstances that 'force' us to be evil ....eg. hardcore poverty cause us to kill (other humans) to obtain food. At that point of severe depression and desperate need, we cannot really tell how evil the person is. Maybe he did not choose it, maybe he did it unconsciously, maybe it's just the body's automatic mechanism that prompted the person to kill. Anyhow, we will need to experience that breaking point ourselves before we call people evil. Never judge a person by the surface....think, feel and put urself in the person's shoes and you will know what is evil and what is not.......

I strongly concur with this. Plato once said: what makes something bad is what society perceives as bad. In short, what a certain society perceives as bad, is considered bad and vice versa. A child born and bred in a shantytown where stealing, robbing and murder is necessary to ensure each individual's survival will perceive these acts as right and not evil at all.

Similarly in wars, the victor is always considered the 'good' side while the losers are often considered 'bad'. We now know the Nazis were evil people because the Allies were victorious in WWII. But had the Nazis won and took control of the world, systematic brainwashing and teachings at school will ensure that the losers, the Allies, are considered by our generation as bad and that all the Nazis hold are good. What makes a person evil or not therefore, is what society makes him/her. There isn't any real line that divides good and evil if you ask me. It's all up to a person's upbringing.

USSDefiantNX74205
23-03-2004, 12:27 AM
But how about some circumstances that 'force' us to be evil ....eg. hardcore poverty cause us to kill (other humans) to obtain food. At that point of severe depression and desperate need, we cannot really tell how evil the person is. Maybe he did not choose it, maybe he did it unconsciously, maybe it's just the body's automatic mechanism that prompted the person to kill. Anyhow, we will need to experience that breaking point ourselves before we call people evil. Never judge a person by the surface....think, feel and put urself in the person's shoes and you will know what is evil and what is not.......

I strongly concur with this. Plato once said: what makes something bad is what society perceives as bad. In short, what a certain society perceives as bad, is considered bad and vice versa. A child born and bred in a shantytown where stealing, robbing and murder is necessary to ensure each individual's survival will perceive these acts as right and not evil at all.

Similarly in wars, the victor is always considered the 'good' side while the losers are often considered 'bad'. We now know the Nazis were evil people because the Allies were victorious in WWII. But had the Nazis won and took control of the world, systematic brainwashing and teachings at school will ensure that the losers, the Allies, are considered by our generation as bad and that all the Nazis hold are good. What makes a person evil or not therefore, is what society makes him/her. There isn't any real line that divides good and evil if you ask me. It's all up to a person's upbringing.

trishotiwuth
23-03-2004, 09:57 AM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

Woah..you sound rather harsh. Perhaps an overgeneralization eh? Yes, some wars do happen because people are contolled by greed, hatred, enthocentricism etc (take the recent attacks on Iraq) But when war happens, not everyone involved actually agrees to that war. Some may just go to war because they're forced too (like many American soliders during the Vietnam War) Others go to war out of the need to protect their basic rights.

I think the evil creature is actually the person who chooses 'war' when there are other less threatening, less harmful options available.

trishotiwuth
23-03-2004, 09:57 AM
Every human is evil in this world. Why i say so? If human are not evil, how can there be so many wars happening. Peolpe are fighting each others... What a pity.

Woah..you sound rather harsh. Perhaps an overgeneralization eh? Yes, some wars do happen because people are contolled by greed, hatred, enthocentricism etc (take the recent attacks on Iraq) But when war happens, not everyone involved actually agrees to that war. Some may just go to war because they're forced too (like many American soliders during the Vietnam War) Others go to war out of the need to protect their basic rights.

I think the evil creature is actually the person who chooses 'war' when there are other less threatening, less harmful options available.

Thirdshifter
23-03-2004, 10:11 AM
what is the criteria to be evil? Sound more like a religious term than anything else. One would be condemned evil back in the dark ages for practicing a religion other then christianity. What are the standards today?

Thirdshifter
23-03-2004, 10:11 AM
what is the criteria to be evil? Sound more like a religious term than anything else. One would be condemned evil back in the dark ages for practicing a religion other then christianity. What are the standards today?