JPA students restriction?

[orang_asing]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?

[youngyew]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?
No idea.. maybe you can try out the new JPA online inquiry feature.

[iQing]

I thought they are strict to hunt down students who escape paying loan?

[exec]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?

I don't think the government has the right to do so...

[youngyew]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?

I don't think the government has the right to do so...
Quite true... unless this is explicitly stated in the contract (in which case the validity of such a clause is doubtful), they can't simply say "hey, you are now banned from this country".

But I am not a lawyer. Anyway, do we have any lawyer or law students in ReCom?

[Thirdshifter]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?

I don't think the government has the right to do so...
Quite true... unless this is explicitly stated in the contract (in which case the validity of such a clause is doubtful), they can't simply say "hey, you are now banned from this country".

But I am not a lawyer. Anyway, do we have any lawyer or law students in ReCom?

Ofcourse they could.

Once youre in Malaysia the goverment could just take away your passprt and you can't leave the country anymore.

I support this fully. It will be a good deterrent for future and current scholars for not wasting Malaysias tax payers so they can work abroad.

Matter of fact i'll have this in retro just to fuck up with those who made it seems like its ok to fuck with Malaysias tax payers.

[youngyew]

I heard a rumor that the govt is putting in new restrictions for former jpa scholarship recipients. The story I heard said that the govt will prevent graduated students who chose to stay abroad from leaving if they ever return home. Has anyone heard anything about this or is there any truth to the statements?

I don't think the government has the right to do so...
Quite true... unless this is explicitly stated in the contract (in which case the validity of such a clause is doubtful), they can't simply say "hey, you are now banned from this country".

But I am not a lawyer. Anyway, do we have any lawyer or law students in ReCom?

Ofcourse they could.

Once youre in Malaysia the goverment could just take away your passprt and you can't leave the country anymore.

I support this fully. It will be a good deterrent for future and current scholars for not wasting Malaysias tax payers so they can work abroad.

Matter of fact i'll have this in retro just to f*** up with those who made it seems like its ok to f*** with Malaysias tax payers.
I agree that they could, I am only taking from legal perspective... they can do anything they like, for example forcing you to to squats naked.

But do they have the right under existing laws?

[vseehua]

it's stated in our contract that the government can alter the conditions states according to their will... so i am pretty sure they can find ways to do that...

[youngyew]

it's stated in our contract that the government can alter the conditions states according to their will... so i am pretty sure they can find ways to do that...
If I'm not mistaken, they can "terminate the contract" at their wish, but not "change any clause" at their wish.

In terms of law, there's no such thing as "I can change any clause at my wish". This is simply illegitimate, even if you are the government.

If they can change the clause to their will, does that mean that they can change it to "if you don't pay back, we will send a professional murderer to kill you and your family without any legal consequence", and still be valid?

[Thirdshifter]

But none the less. the goverment restricting you from travelling on a Malaysian Pasport is very plausible and easily done if they really wanted to.

[youngyew]

But none the less. the goverment restricting you from travelling on a Malaysian Pasport is very plausible and easily done if they really wanted to.
Eerm, I guess we are talking about really different thing here... Of course theoretically, Malaysian government can practically do anything they want, like brandishing keris in the general assembly and getting a round of applause.

Anyway, what I have been saying whether they can unilaterally change the clause in the existing contract (as in students who are already studying overseas under the scholarship); instead of whether they can change the contract contents in the future. In the latter case, I guess it's possible - as long as they get you to sign it with the knowledge of the clauses, there aren't many things that violate the basic human rights.

[Thirdshifter]

Basic Human rights.. hmm.

Lets see. First the scholar get money to study abroad with tax payers money.

Second, they break the contract by not returning.

Third, they give Malaysians who work in Malaysia, who also paid tax to send them abroad the finger.., the ussual excuse is Malaysia no money.. well Malaysians did sent your ass there with Malaysian money in the first place.

So I say .. well if your your a JPA scholar and thinking of never returning.. well make sure you never do.. because if you do your not going anywhere ever...

the goverment needs to send a strong message to these students, it is in Malaysias best interest that people who goes abroad on Malaysians money come back and serve the country.

It is not a ticket out.. students dont get this. If you think you can't handle that, drop the fund.

[youngyew]

Basic Human rights.. hmm.

Lets see. First the scholar get money to study abroad with tax payers money.

Second, they break the contract by not returning.

Third, they give Malaysians who work in Malaysia, who also paid tax to send them abroad the finger.., the ussual excuse is Malaysia no money.. well Malaysians did sent your ass there with Malaysian money in the first place.

So I say .. well if your your a JPA scholar and thinking of never returning.. well make sure you never do.. because if you do your not going anywhere ever...

the goverment needs to send a strong message to these students, it is in Malaysias best interest that people who goes abroad on Malaysians money come back and serve the country.

It is not a ticket out.. students dont get this. If you think you can't handle that, drop the fund.
I am not talking in terms of ethics and moral here.. I agree that it's wrong, inethical and all that, wholeheartedly. I am only saying whether it's legitimate in legal system to change the clause unilaterally, that's all. And you are not answering it.

[orang_asing]

As far as I know, the contract allows for escaping the loan payment if the government does not assign a job within six months of your reported graduation. Otherwise, you must pay back or come home.

In either case, it's OK. The government has not made any additional restrictions or someone here would have heard about it.

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As a side note, for those of you who oppose students who leave and never plan to return on a permanent basis: What do you think if the person pays back the loan with whatever interest was assigned? Is there anything morally reprehensible about that?

[youngyew]

As a side note, for those of you who oppose students who leave and never plan to return on a permanent basis: What do you think if the person pays back the loan with whatever interest was assigned? Is there anything morally reprehensible about that?
If you are capable of paying back the loan and the interest, you should have paid for your own education in the first place - it's even more economical that way.

Morally reprehensible? Yes, I say. JPA is giving out the scholarships in the plan of reaping their expertise in the future. Even if you pay back the monetary value, you are still "betraying" the country's trust in you, in some ways.

[DecentMerson]

As a side note, for those of you who oppose students who leave and never plan to return on a permanent basis: What do you think if the person pays back the loan with whatever interest was assigned? Is there anything morally reprehensible about that?
If you are capable of paying back the loan and the interest, you should have paid for your own education in the first place - it's even more economical that way.

Morally reprehensible? Yes, I say. JPA is giving out the scholarships in the plan of reaping their expertise in the future. Even if you pay back the monetary value, you are still "betraying" the country's trust in you, in some ways.

Reaping their expertise in the future might be JPA's initial plan for some sponsorships, especially Medicine and Dentistry students. But how about engineering and other fields? Do you know many of them are not offered a job (according to the contract, JPA will offer scholars a job within 6 months, or they can file for release. Isn't this a bigger waste of taxpayers' money)? In that sense, are they really still 'betraying' the country's trust?

And also JPA loan, the interest-free loan that students abroad can apply for. Do you know how much a student has to repay? I just think that JPA needs better finance managers.

[iQing]

according to the contract, JPA will offer scholars a job within 6 months, or they can file for release. Isn't this a bigger waste of taxpayers' money



since it is in the contract between JPA n students, then it is legal.
and that is the case for scholarship students, not loan students. we only can rightfully protest if the agreement with government is broken. in this case the agreement is fullfiled and it is totally legal.

the problem is with the loan students who never pay back after graduating.

[DecentMerson]

yup... we are talking about legality.

Fyi, many of those students who choose to stay abroad are actually doing it legally. After graduation, they went home and reported with JPA, and knowing that they will not be offered a job within 6 months, instead of sitting around doing nothing, they started working, just that they are working abroad. And after six months, they filed for release.