Intriguing situation...??

[morpheous]

found this thread at united subang jaya web forum.any comments??


A Question to uchangeng

uchangeng

I have a question for you.(in nice tone) Your profile indicated that you are a "Australian trained mechanical engineer, now a company director for a japanese company. "

Assuming that you are a Malaysian, supposely a few years in the future, your Japanese company sends a representative to visit you. He walks into your office with another Malaysian guy and say

"Mr. uchangeng, Let me introduce you to Mr.X. He will be our new director. You will be his assistant. All your salary and benefits will remain the same.Please do your best to work with him."

Now, Mr.X's academic credentials. He is younger than you.He graduated with a master in engineering from a Japanese university. He scores 8As in his SPM and therefore sponsored by government agency "Y" under political party "Z" patron.

Or he is a Japanese Government scholarship holder.


Question is "Would the Japanese company that you are working for be able to pull this "stunt" on you?(in nice tone)

I have thought of your reply.You have 3 to choose from and post your reply

First. Yes is the answer.

Second. No is the answer. You have the right not to disclose any explainations. It is up to you. But I am sure many webforumners would like to know why you reply such.

Third. I have no comments or I refuse to elaborate on this question.

Endnote:This is office education politics. The link between education and industry. The ruling political parties have found a "sneaky way" to control your livelihood.


(All other webforumners are free to post your viewpoints on my endnote, as for you ,uchangeng, please answer my above question first.)(in nice tone).

Thank you for listening,unchangeng.



uchangeng
Budiman

Registered: Sep 1999
Location: USJ
Posts: 340


"Would the Japanese company that you are working for be able to pull this "stunt" on you?

Answer: Yes. This can happen anywhere and to anyone, my company included.

My question to you is : What would you do in case like this?

Play along with the survival game?

Stick around long enough until they fire you?

Resign in rage and go find another job?

Do what you like with me, I am not going anywhere until you pay me off?

Go home and cry, withdrawn into self pity?

Confront the boss, be nasty?

Talk to the boss and if things don't turn out good, resign in good term, avoid burning the bridge ?

Continue to do your job the best you know how and be your professional self ?

Non of the above.

[morpheous]

found this thread at united subang jaya web forum.any comments??


A Question to uchangeng

uchangeng

I have a question for you.(in nice tone) Your profile indicated that you are a "Australian trained mechanical engineer, now a company director for a japanese company. "

Assuming that you are a Malaysian, supposely a few years in the future, your Japanese company sends a representative to visit you. He walks into your office with another Malaysian guy and say

"Mr. uchangeng, Let me introduce you to Mr.X. He will be our new director. You will be his assistant. All your salary and benefits will remain the same.Please do your best to work with him."

Now, Mr.X's academic credentials. He is younger than you.He graduated with a master in engineering from a Japanese university. He scores 8As in his SPM and therefore sponsored by government agency "Y" under political party "Z" patron.

Or he is a Japanese Government scholarship holder.


Question is "Would the Japanese company that you are working for be able to pull this "stunt" on you?(in nice tone)

I have thought of your reply.You have 3 to choose from and post your reply

First. Yes is the answer.

Second. No is the answer. You have the right not to disclose any explainations. It is up to you. But I am sure many webforumners would like to know why you reply such.

Third. I have no comments or I refuse to elaborate on this question.

Endnote:This is office education politics. The link between education and industry. The ruling political parties have found a "sneaky way" to control your livelihood.


(All other webforumners are free to post your viewpoints on my endnote, as for you ,uchangeng, please answer my above question first.)(in nice tone).

Thank you for listening,unchangeng.



uchangeng
Budiman

Registered: Sep 1999
Location: USJ
Posts: 340


"Would the Japanese company that you are working for be able to pull this "stunt" on you?

Answer: Yes. This can happen anywhere and to anyone, my company included.

My question to you is : What would you do in case like this?

Play along with the survival game?

Stick around long enough until they fire you?

Resign in rage and go find another job?

Do what you like with me, I am not going anywhere until you pay me off?

Go home and cry, withdrawn into self pity?

Confront the boss, be nasty?

Talk to the boss and if things don't turn out good, resign in good term, avoid burning the bridge ?

Continue to do your job the best you know how and be your professional self ?

Non of the above.

[jiinjoo]

See it as a challenge to out-perform someone by co-opting your boss into your gang, or beat him up at night at some back alleys if he tries to put you in a tough spot, and make him pay tribute monthly to your tribe.

Those Japs need to learn the ways... ngek ngek ngek... :twisted:


The office education politics is more entrenched that this. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. How true that "office" is your next microcosm of society after the "school" version.

[jiinjoo]

See it as a challenge to out-perform someone by co-opting your boss into your gang, or beat him up at night at some back alleys if he tries to put you in a tough spot, and make him pay tribute monthly to your tribe.

Those Japs need to learn the ways... ngek ngek ngek... :twisted:


The office education politics is more entrenched that this. I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. How true that "office" is your next microcosm of society after the "school" version.

[hungwei]

What's wrong if what the company is doing is for the benefit everyone? I'm sure my new boss has some excellent credentials based on which the jap company had chosen him, and who knows my performance might double-fold under his supervision....unless, of course that guy manage to wedge his way up dishonestly. :wink:

[hungwei]

What's wrong if what the company is doing is for the benefit everyone? I'm sure my new boss has some excellent credentials based on which the jap company had chosen him, and who knows my performance might double-fold under his supervision....unless, of course that guy manage to wedge his way up dishonestly. :wink:

[jiinjoo]

Hungwei, my guess is that the question is asked in such a way to elicit your emotional response. What you suggested is definitely a rational justification, but there are human factors in the picture. Many companies actually faces this problem of elders that are, albeit experienced, a little bit dry on creativity and exuberance. Once you're an "expert" in what you do best, it becomes harder and harder to swallow when someone comes to you and tell you what is right.

But then again, I fully support you if you can "look on the bright side" of things should this happen to you. It is pretty rare to see that kind of behavior in office these days.

[jiinjoo]

Hungwei, my guess is that the question is asked in such a way to elicit your emotional response. What you suggested is definitely a rational justification, but there are human factors in the picture. Many companies actually faces this problem of elders that are, albeit experienced, a little bit dry on creativity and exuberance. Once you're an "expert" in what you do best, it becomes harder and harder to swallow when someone comes to you and tell you what is right.

But then again, I fully support you if you can "look on the bright side" of things should this happen to you. It is pretty rare to see that kind of behavior in office these days.

[el_empty]

i agree with jinjoo. hence let's say you're the older guy who run a risk of being displaced by a younger cow, it's inevitably your responsibility, if you want to survive in the industry, to be in tip top well oiled condition. and that means being kept up to date with all relevant information and skills. if you have that under your skin, then your boss would be more willing to keep you by virtue of loyalty, experience, work ethic, etc.

assuming you're the well oiled machine, now the bigger issue is that there is *no* meritocracy, and the young cow was bumped up bc of reasons other than his qualities. what to do?

i think, unfortunately, the office world is one where you need to wiggle and dodge your way through. sorry for the pessimism, but that's the way the system is. if everyone's of similar quality, the only way for you to prevent being selected against, is your presentation. you snooze, you lose baby.

[el_empty]

i agree with jinjoo. hence let's say you're the older guy who run a risk of being displaced by a younger cow, it's inevitably your responsibility, if you want to survive in the industry, to be in tip top well oiled condition. and that means being kept up to date with all relevant information and skills. if you have that under your skin, then your boss would be more willing to keep you by virtue of loyalty, experience, work ethic, etc.

assuming you're the well oiled machine, now the bigger issue is that there is *no* meritocracy, and the young cow was bumped up bc of reasons other than his qualities. what to do?

i think, unfortunately, the office world is one where you need to wiggle and dodge your way through. sorry for the pessimism, but that's the way the system is. if everyone's of similar quality, the only way for you to prevent being selected against, is your presentation. you snooze, you lose baby.