Monash vs IMU

[ngu]

Can someone please enlighten me on this.Which is a better choice to study medicine, Monash Malaysia or IMU local degree?

[caramel_nut]

Both also good but from what I've heard, Monash is harder to get in.

[ngu]

I got monash malaysia medicine offer as well as imu local degree offer.Which degree is better and which course structure is better?In terms of recongnition by other country,facilities and so on

[caramel_nut]

Not sure about the degree recognition and structure but I heard the monash class will be somewhat smaller than the imu classes because monash takes in less students than imu. anyway, i'm not in the position to comment since I don't really know well about the two unis.

[jay3349]

IMU is older and has had more graduates. On the other hand, monash is brand new and it will take some time to iron out the bugs.

And for monash you have to go to Segamat hospital in Johor for your clinical.

But the upside in Monash is that the classes are way smaller.

[ptamarai87]

i would it will definitely be safer to choose imu since it has been around for some time.new universities especially medical universities will definitely face the some problms especially derecognition.if that happens often u are left wondering what will become of your future.moreover imu garduates are usually found to be very efficieny and good at work by hospitals around malaysia.since imu does twining with a lot of univerties from various countries,so the degree definitely recognised overseas.in imu u also have prof from overseas universities namely edinburgh n glasgow coming in to give lecture frequently.so my vote will be for imu :D

[ngu]

I will be doing imu local degree.So do you think that this MBBS(IMU) is recongnized?Heard of anyone graduating from IMU working overseas?

[Tourist]

Are you joking? Go to Monash.

IMU local degree only recognized in Malaysia and no where else in the world.

[ray_amex]

yeah go to monash...

the local degree has already been accredited by the AMC (Australian Medical Council). So you can work overseas if u want to.. When u graduate, ur cert doesnt state which campus ur degree's from.. so the MBBS from Monash Malaysia is as good as the one from Clayton..
:D

[lXl]

My vote is for monash. both in terms of recognition and quality. :D
like what ray_amex wrote, (accredit by AMC), it doesn't matter where u graduate as long as it is recognized.

[sunshine88]

i can imagine the thread starter's head started to spin edi..haha..Different people say different suggestions...
Just out of doubt..since IMU has its twinnig programmes in overseas,doesnt it also means, IMU's degree is recognised in the country it has twinning programme with..?

[lXl]

i can imagine the thread starter's head started to spin edi..haha..Different people say different suggestions...
Just out of doubt..since IMU has its twinnig programmes in overseas,doesnt it also means, IMU's degree is recognised in the country it has twinning programme with..?

nope. it doesn't work out that way. IMU does have twinning programs with the overseas universities but this does not equates to recognition from the respective Medical Council. Well, u prob ask then, how did IMU got those MOU's with these universities. That, i won't want to speculate.

[gtanmy]

actually im a new recomer
but i heard in edu fair dt monash uni's degree is recognized whole world but imu is oni in m'sia.
arr....pls correct me if i'm wrong. :wink:

[Tourist]

Are you sure being recognized by Australian Medical Council entitle you to practice in UK and vice versa? I don't think so. So define "recogized world wide".

The truth is, being recognized is often to do with politic, beside yardstick for quality.

[sunshine88]

so has the thread starter has made up her/his mind?...monash or imu??

Looking at all the feedbacks here,it reflects that monash succeeds imu in terms of international recognition....
LoL...all this while i thought that IMU is better than monash...
This thread has enlightened me....kekeh

[ngu]

Hi.Still undecided.I went for a tour at monash on monday and it seems that the facilities are good though they are not ready yet and are rushing for entry of medical students.As for the accomodation its quite far away from the new campus .I guess by the time i reach the campus i would be totally exhausted.Imagine me carrying my notebook , books, and other notes as well. I want to go to a uni where the degree is recongnized and course structure ideally good.As for IMU, anyone here can give some comment on the course structure?Please help and advise me.I need to make my desicion by tuesday next week.

[AnonymousThread]

This is a very old post, but I shall share some information relevant to this topic for the benefit of those who come across this forum.

Let's settle these myths first:

Myth No. 1: IMU PMS (Partner Medical School) program is a twinning affair.

Wrong. IMU PMS is a credit transfer program. There is nothing in the graduate's certificate which would indicate he/ she studied in IMU. If they pair to Jefferson University, United States, for instance, when they graduate, they are considered Jefferson graduates.

Myth No. 2: It is harder to get into Monash.
The A-level BBC grade requirements of IMU is a facade. IMU is primarily interested in maintaining its ties with the numerous universities overseas. The minute the universities find these students lacking, they castigate IMU, which in turn, lowers IMU's profits. So, IMU does its "pruning" process. They take in BBC students (though I must say at least half are AAA students), they take in Singaporean, Korean, Hong Kong, Sri Lankan, Euro and even one or two Japanese students into the medical program. They make you think you are in medical school, but the truth is, the first year (aka Foundation year) is THE REAL ENTRANCE EXAM. Tests: Anatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Behavioral Science, Pathology, Microbiology, Community Medicine, Epidemiology and Biostatistics. ALL RELEVANT TO MEDICINE. You don't perform, you are kicked out, AFTER ONE YEAR OF STUDYING IN IMU!!! The remaining students are the Creme de' la creme. Why this inhumane process? IMU has learnt that A-Level grades/ STPM are poor indicators of medical aptitude, and they would rather make sure themselves whether the students are fit to continue.

Myth no. 3: Monash has better prospects.
Are you kidding?!?!?!? Just have a look at the list of partner universities. I remind you, when you partner to these universities, you are considered their graduates. A good case in point: 50% of students who twinned to Canada since 1998 have continued their education in the US/ Canada. 50% of these post graduates are now working in the U.S. That makes a total of 20+ people. You figure this out yourself. Almost all who twin to U.S. directly, work in the U.S. now. That makes another 20+. If you want to work in Australia that would be difficult due to Australian immigration laws. if you want to work in the U.K. it's not possible due to current immigration laws.

Myth no. 4: Imu local degree program pales in comparison to Monash's medical degree program.

Uh, this I can't really say for sure. But thanks to the really competitive PMS system, IMU locals (as we called them) are riding the crest of the wave that the PMS degree program is generating. We are pushed to perform, and so are the local ones, there is no separation at all. We all went to the same classes, same practicals and such.

Myth no. 5: You can't learn anatomy without cadavers.
Yes you can. And who cares? We get more patient contact than most local medical universities. And we partner overseas! You are nitpicking.

Myth no. 6: You can't learn from 2 hours of lectures a day.
IMU is following the latest medical format. VIRTUALLY all universities in the U.S and Canada follow the same format. U.K. unis are starting to follow suit.
EU unis are ahead of the U.K. in this regard. Why do we have only 2 hours of lectures a day? The answer is this. PBL (Problem Based Learning) I found these very enjoyable. It's the latest format. UNLESS YOU LIKE BEING SPOON FED go to Penang Medical College or the like. Studies show people can't take more than 2 hours of lectures anyway. And you don't really learn something until you learn it yourself. Please note IMU is not a pure PBL university. We have a hybrid PBL curriculum and integrated curriculum. Pure PBL universities only exist in the U.S. and Canada, and maybe a few in the U.K. The difference is the PBL style graduate has a upper hand in critical reasoning and diagnosis compared to the traditional medical graduate.

Myths aside, Monash is a good university, but don't be so quick to discredit IMU. Monash has a nice sheen, a lot of new facilities, and a pretty good atmosphere. IMU is slightly worn, but constantly remodeling, better lectures, in the middle of nowhere, depressing, and basically a jail. If your motivation is extrinsic, IMU is not a bad choice. You really have nothing to do there but study. Monash is in the middle of Subang. SUBANG! Nobody wants to be there. They may have all the fancy entertainment centers, malls, and food courts, but the fact of the matter is, it takes an hour to get to any of these places, the place is so crowded, if Subang disappeared, so would half of Selangor's population. The place is so jammed, you will die one day thinking 1/7th of your life was spent in jams. IMU is the opposite, totally dead. But thanks to our location, we had access to all the Bukit Jalil sports facilities. So we managed.

At the end of the day, if a Malaysian nurse had to choose between a Monash student and an IMU student to help her take a patient's history, inspect for abnormalities, and do a general systemic review, she would choose the IMU student every time. There is a reason for this. Our Clinical Sessions are coordinated by top notch nurses, and our practicals are orchestrated by the most competent doctors you can find in Malaysia. To top it all off, they have already built the building which would house a clinic right next to the university entrance. BEAT THAT! And if you want to know why nurses hold us in such high esteem, ask one.

[marinefish88]

Anyone know about the ISAT test in Monash? Is there anythg to prepare be4 u sit 4 d test?

any useful link 4 isat?

[Alexis Ma]

There are no useful links for the ISAT. I have taken the test myself (2 months ago), and it's not very well-known.

The only advice I can offer you is to brush up on your English. There is a big bias towards English proficiency in that test.

The test will test you on your reasoning skills, so you can't really prepare there.

[MrsYes]

How about Pharmacy course? =)

[Mirianchoo]

Myth No. 2: It is harder to get into Monash.
The A-level BBC grade requirements of IMU is a facade. IMU is primarily interested in maintaining its ties with the numerous universities overseas. The minute the universities find these students lacking, they castigate IMU, which in turn, lowers IMU's profits. So, IMU does its "pruning" process. They take in BBC students (though I must say at least half are AAA students), they take in Singaporean, Korean, Hong Kong, Sri Lankan, Euro and even one or two Japanese students into the medical program. They make you think you are in medical school, but the truth is, the first year (aka Foundation year) is THE REAL ENTRANCE EXAM. Tests: Anatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Behavioral Science, Pathology, Microbiology, Community Medicine, Epidemiology and Biostatistics. ALL RELEVANT TO MEDICINE. You don't perform, you are kicked out, AFTER ONE YEAR OF STUDYING IN IMU!!! The remaining students are the Creme de' la creme. Why this inhumane process? IMU has learnt that A-Level grades/ STPM are poor indicators of medical aptitude, and they would rather make sure themselves whether the students are fit to continue.



I would like to comment on AnonymousThread's post about A-Level requirements: the BBC A-Level requirement stated on the IMU website is indeed a facade because your offer level would state a minimum requirement of ABB (twinning) or BBB (local). You would not be able to get into IMU with only BBC because the actual requirement is the one you get on your conditional offer letter if you pass your interview. Anything below ABB (twinning) or BBB (local) would mean that are denied entry to IMU.

And yes, the 1st year exams are very challenging and many students get kicked out after the 1st year. This includes students who have scored straight A's in A-Level. So the students that actually make it through IMU are actually of high calibre I would say.


How about Pharmacy course? =)

To MrsYes, I would say both the IMU and Monash pharmacy courses are good. The IMU pharmacy course has been around longer than the Monash Malaysia pharmacy course however. And if you do not want to do the whole course locally, the IMU pharmacy course allows credit transfer and twinning to partner universities too. It's your call, but I think IMU has the upper hand in terms of experienced lecturers and study environment, as well as being well established. Well, that's my opinion. :)