Embryo cloning?

[Panda]

With the advancement of technology. We can now clone embryo and extract stem cells out of them. The benefit of this development is immese. but is it morally fit to do that. Are we killing living things by doing that???
Please give commen on the topic. Thank you!!

[Panda]

With the advancement of technology. We can now clone embryo and extract stem cells out of them. The benefit of this development is immese. but is it morally fit to do that. Are we killing living things by doing that???
Please give commen on the topic. Thank you!!

[qedx]

hmmm more babyburgers :D yumyum

[qedx]

hmmm more babyburgers :D yumyum

[fish]

I may be doing experiments with stem cells soon (on the way...but first I must do well in my cell culture and RNA extraction experiments :twisted: In my opinion, extracting stem cells is not really too bad.

[fish]

I may be doing experiments with stem cells soon (on the way...but first I must do well in my cell culture and RNA extraction experiments :twisted: In my opinion, extracting stem cells is not really too bad.

[masterof_none]

HI Panda, welcome to ReCom.

this issue is currently hotly debated in the US too.

Right now, due to the political reason, the US doesn't want to concentrate on advancing its technology in the cloning area.
This is because White House is currently controlled by Republican, just for you info, Republican is conservative, that means, they're more strictly religious than Democrats (liberals). That's why you're seeing they try to divert the resources to other place, like exploring Mars and so on. (but at the same time, they increase the budget on the defense, which, is just the opposite from the moral that they want to preach)


Last year, a ban on human cloning passed the U.S. House of Representatives but failed to get approval by the Senate over questions of whether cloning for research purposes could be allowed.

The United Nations decided at the end of last year to delay any decision on a human cloning ban for two years.


in the same article, they explain the "possible" breakthrough by a group of Korean scientists, (read article for details )

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/12/science.clone/

According to the Korean scientists, their research is for "therapy" purposes. But does this statement justify their research?
Ask the conservatives, they would say "absolutely not".

This issue is somwheat similar to the abortion issue.
you can read the "Pro life v Pro choice " thread to get more insight.

http://www.recom.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=439

[masterof_none]

HI Panda, welcome to ReCom.

this issue is currently hotly debated in the US too.

Right now, due to the political reason, the US doesn't want to concentrate on advancing its technology in the cloning area.
This is because White House is currently controlled by Republican, just for you info, Republican is conservative, that means, they're more strictly religious than Democrats (liberals). That's why you're seeing they try to divert the resources to other place, like exploring Mars and so on. (but at the same time, they increase the budget on the defense, which, is just the opposite from the moral that they want to preach)


Last year, a ban on human cloning passed the U.S. House of Representatives but failed to get approval by the Senate over questions of whether cloning for research purposes could be allowed.

The United Nations decided at the end of last year to delay any decision on a human cloning ban for two years.


in the same article, they explain the "possible" breakthrough by a group of Korean scientists, (read article for details )

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/02/12/science.clone/

According to the Korean scientists, their research is for "therapy" purposes. But does this statement justify their research?
Ask the conservatives, they would say "absolutely not".

This issue is somwheat similar to the abortion issue.
you can read the "Pro life v Pro choice " thread to get more insight.

http://www.recom.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=439

[wawa]

From what I understand, research in these areas especially stem cells has a lot of potential in terms of finding a cure for many diseases like Alzeimers, Parkinsons, and many fatal diseases.

These research are going to SAVE those people. There are people dying out there, and should we just let them die without trying our best to find a cure? :D

[wawa]

From what I understand, research in these areas especially stem cells has a lot of potential in terms of finding a cure for many diseases like Alzeimers, Parkinsons, and many fatal diseases.

These research are going to SAVE those people. There are people dying out there, and should we just let them die without trying our best to find a cure? :D

[littlebigone]

don't think it's as simple as that. It's not just about saving lives. It's the issue of whether we are killing lives in doing the research to save lives. Also, there's the issue of ethics in cloning. Don't remember the numbers but I read that the current process of harvesting stem cells is not very efficient.

[littlebigone]

don't think it's as simple as that. It's not just about saving lives. It's the issue of whether we are killing lives in doing the research to save lives. Also, there's the issue of ethics in cloning. Don't remember the numbers but I read that the current process of harvesting stem cells is not very efficient.

[chenghau]

Just wondering...is it a topic for your research paper in Writing class? I think somebody did almost the same topic last year...

[chenghau]

Just wondering...is it a topic for your research paper in Writing class? I think somebody did almost the same topic last year...

[qedx]

but I read that the current process of harvesting stem cells is not very efficient.
shouldnt there be more research then? to make it more efiicient

[qedx]

but I read that the current process of harvesting stem cells is not very efficient.
shouldnt there be more research then? to make it more efiicient

[silverblue]

Is it right to use stem cells from human embryos in scientific research?If we carefully use the 'right' human embryonic stem cells, it is not only justifiable, but admirable.

By 'right', I am referring to stem cells that come from embryos created through in vitro fertilization procedures, that ended up not being used in the process, and were donated by the mother for research within certain restrictions. When a woman decides against intrauterine transfer of an embryo, the embryo never becomes enabled. At that point, nothing can be gained and the embryos perish as waste rather than perish in aid of others.

On the other hand, through research, scientists can fulfill a duty to aid others.

Many scientists tout embryonic stem cells, which can develop into any kind of tissue in the human body, as a possible cure for many kinds of injury and disease such as Parkinson's, diabetes, and paralysis. According to some medical researches, failing to use these surplus embryos would probably not even result in the birth of a child.

I feel that it is justifiable to eliminate suffering in actual lives when we may do so at no cost in potential lives. Can you deny that relieving widespread suffering is morally better than destroying embryos at no gain? I read somewhere that up to day 14, a fertilized egg can become twins, so no human identity exists before this time.

[silverblue]

Is it right to use stem cells from human embryos in scientific research?If we carefully use the 'right' human embryonic stem cells, it is not only justifiable, but admirable.

By 'right', I am referring to stem cells that come from embryos created through in vitro fertilization procedures, that ended up not being used in the process, and were donated by the mother for research within certain restrictions. When a woman decides against intrauterine transfer of an embryo, the embryo never becomes enabled. At that point, nothing can be gained and the embryos perish as waste rather than perish in aid of others.

On the other hand, through research, scientists can fulfill a duty to aid others.

Many scientists tout embryonic stem cells, which can develop into any kind of tissue in the human body, as a possible cure for many kinds of injury and disease such as Parkinson's, diabetes, and paralysis. According to some medical researches, failing to use these surplus embryos would probably not even result in the birth of a child.

I feel that it is justifiable to eliminate suffering in actual lives when we may do so at no cost in potential lives. Can you deny that relieving widespread suffering is morally better than destroying embryos at no gain? I read somewhere that up to day 14, a fertilized egg can become twins, so no human identity exists before this time.

[Panda]

To : Chenghau
:o YOu are right. I am going to write that for my research paper. by the way, who wrote that before?

[Panda]

To : Chenghau
:o YOu are right. I am going to write that for my research paper. by the way, who wrote that before?

[topdog]

so the problem here seems to be what constitutes a human being, correct?

[topdog]

so the problem here seems to be what constitutes a human being, correct?

[Melo_15]

actually rite, im not too sure bout whether it is good or bad...but i think if we use it to save patients, like alzheimers or athritis, then i fully support it, if just for human cloning ....no comment! :P

[trishotiwuth]

Embryo Cloning : 'This is a medical technique which produces monozygotic (identical) twins or triplets. It duplicates the process that nature uses to produce twins or triplets. One or more cells are removed from a fertilized embryo and encouraged to develop into one or more duplicate embryos. Twins or triplets are thus formed, with identical DNA. This has been done for many years on various species of animals; only very limited experimentation has been done on humans'
(source : http://www.religioustolerance.org/cloning.htm)

I can't imagine having little trishotiwuths running around. I believe in variety and 'uniqueness'. Anyway, embryo cloning is a process that messes with the nature so even if it seems harmless at the moment, there might be dire consequences later on. Embryo cloning has actually started in the 70s itself (with experiments being conducted one poor, helpless mice). The process sounds amazing and it MIGHT provides solutions to many problems (increase chances of pregancy, avoid giving birth to 'defect' babies etc) but looking at the ethical aspect, I'd say that the negative side of embryo cloning outweighs the positive.

[oshmelvin]

In my opinion, for the sake of mankind, the research on embryonic cloning must continue. An embryo is a cluster of cell which is formed after a zygote goes through multiple cell divisions. In my opinion, an embryo still has no feelings (as in feelings of pain - because the nervous system has not developed yet) so it is not considered a human being even though it is the beginning life force that creates a human being. So we don't have to feel guilty for sacrificing an embryo for the sake of suffering people. Imagine, if an embryo were to be sacrificed to get its stem cells to create organs for a few people who are suffering from organ malfunction or other degeneration diseases, think of how many human lives that could be saved and prolonged. I believe that the effort to retrieve embryonic stem cells are worth it. If you ask me about aborting a fetus, I would feel guilty because it has already developed senses and feelings (it has an almost-complete brain function) but if you ask me to sacrifice an embryo to save a few lives, I would not feel guilty because an embryo is just a cluster of cells and I would put the lives of those who are in danger in top priority (we can't always depend on organ doners). But if there is any other way to culture tisues, cells or organs without using the stem cells from embryos, I would even be happier.

[kIdd0]

hmmm... i for one believe that NO!! embryo cloning should never be carried out to promote stem cell research... while some might agree that yes, stem cell research could yield positive contributions to out society but generally, we are still talking about embryos here. that clum of cell that u guys refer to as insignificant and lifeless... dont all of us come from that pathetic clum of cell? By cloning embryos to promote stem cell research, there would bound to be thousands and thousands of failed cloning which would result in an abundance of embryo discards... Remember, all these are not mere clums of cells... they deserve a chance to evolve into babies and eventually become you and me as well...

[__earth]

By cloning embryos to promote stem cell research, there would bound to be thousands and thousands of failed cloning which would result in an abundance of embryo discards...
Remember, all these are not mere clums of cells... they deserve a chance to evolve into babies and eventually become you and me as well...


it's just an embryo. it's no different from lump of our skin or our hair or the skin that got shed off because of a bruise.

heck, ovum dies every time it is not conjugated. its the same thing as the sperms that went to waste after a wet dream.

its no different from an embyro. it's just collection of cells and those cells haven't developed any intelligence yet. it's not even a fetus.

it is only if those cells have developed intelligence, than there is a moral issue.