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laplace
17-03-2004, 11:50 PM
It's strange to insist on virgin brides when there is no guarantee of matrimonial bliss whether a girl is a virgin or not

STRAIGHT TALK

IF YOU, like me, think that virginity as a virtue in the 21st century is overrated, wait till you get a whiff of this.

The middle-aged mother of a friend's friend was lamenting to her friends last week that her only son was seeing a non-virgin.

'I nearly had a heart attack when he told me he was quite serious about marrying her,' said the English-educated housewife, whom my acquaintances had previously admired for her open-mindedness.

'I'm sure there are other good girls who haven't had sex before.'

If I had been there during her outburst, I would have replied sarcastically: 'Why worry? If he can't find one here, he can always follow the lead of many Singaporean men who travel to Vietnam and China in search of virgin brides.'

When I heard about the incident, my mind travelled back to medieval times, when a woman's chastity was prized above all else and even put to the test on her wedding night.

She would be deemed okay if she stained the bedsheet a deep red because the blood signified that she was pure and undefiled.

If, for whatever reason, she did not bleed, she would be shamed, put away, and in some cultures, stoned to death.

Thankfully, such barbaric practices are unthinkable today, not to mention unreliable, given modern technology.

Hymens which have been broken can be surgically reconstructed these days, allowing prostitutes, rape victims and women who had theirs torn in the course of vigorous sports to be 'restored'.

But my question is: Why should they feel any less whole to begin with?

Doesn't it arise from the fact that, to some extent, society still places a premium on a woman's virginity?

Men, on the other hand, are not similarly strictured.

In fact, in some societies today, the male can still get away with being polygamous and promiscuous, both before and after marriage.

So why the double standard? Shouldn't the insistence on abstinence apply to both genders?

Why should the man stand to gain from the onerous burden imposed upon the woman?

As a Christian, I was brought up to believe that pre-marital sex is a sin. The theological basis is that one's body is the temple of God. Hence, it should not be tainted by any immorality - sexual or otherwise.

Apart from that, there are other practical reasons why sex should wait till two people are joined in matrimony.

From the perspective of health, marriage between two people who have not had sex before means a disease-free relationship.

More importantly, virginity signifies the start of an equal partnership where both parties can learn about sex together, and grow as one in intimate matters.

But, alas, can such ideals survive the times we live in, where teenage sexual experimentation is more the norm than the exception? You could view this either as a loosening of morals or, conversely, a sign of increasing openness. Blame it on the mass media, literature, films and music, if you must, for propagating the notion that having sex is as commonplace as taking a shower.

To borrow from the song: Birds do it, bees do it and even educated fleas do it.

The way I see it, there's nothing to shout about if you've done it before marriage. Neither is there anything to be ashamed of if you haven't.

There's no need to make a big deal out of virginity.

As a wise woman said to me: 'Lose it when you feel the time is right, not before or after. It is precious and special, but it's not the Holy Grail.'

I couldn't have said it better.

So, good luck for those who insist on going on their quest for virgin brides. Just remember, marrying a virgin is no guarantee of matrimonial bliss.

It isn't, it wasn't and it ain't never gonna be.

Any comment?

laplace
17-03-2004, 11:50 PM
It's strange to insist on virgin brides when there is no guarantee of matrimonial bliss whether a girl is a virgin or not

STRAIGHT TALK

IF YOU, like me, think that virginity as a virtue in the 21st century is overrated, wait till you get a whiff of this.

The middle-aged mother of a friend's friend was lamenting to her friends last week that her only son was seeing a non-virgin.

'I nearly had a heart attack when he told me he was quite serious about marrying her,' said the English-educated housewife, whom my acquaintances had previously admired for her open-mindedness.

'I'm sure there are other good girls who haven't had sex before.'

If I had been there during her outburst, I would have replied sarcastically: 'Why worry? If he can't find one here, he can always follow the lead of many Singaporean men who travel to Vietnam and China in search of virgin brides.'

When I heard about the incident, my mind travelled back to medieval times, when a woman's chastity was prized above all else and even put to the test on her wedding night.

She would be deemed okay if she stained the bedsheet a deep red because the blood signified that she was pure and undefiled.

If, for whatever reason, she did not bleed, she would be shamed, put away, and in some cultures, stoned to death.

Thankfully, such barbaric practices are unthinkable today, not to mention unreliable, given modern technology.

Hymens which have been broken can be surgically reconstructed these days, allowing prostitutes, rape victims and women who had theirs torn in the course of vigorous sports to be 'restored'.

But my question is: Why should they feel any less whole to begin with?

Doesn't it arise from the fact that, to some extent, society still places a premium on a woman's virginity?

Men, on the other hand, are not similarly strictured.

In fact, in some societies today, the male can still get away with being polygamous and promiscuous, both before and after marriage.

So why the double standard? Shouldn't the insistence on abstinence apply to both genders?

Why should the man stand to gain from the onerous burden imposed upon the woman?

As a Christian, I was brought up to believe that pre-marital sex is a sin. The theological basis is that one's body is the temple of God. Hence, it should not be tainted by any immorality - sexual or otherwise.

Apart from that, there are other practical reasons why sex should wait till two people are joined in matrimony.

From the perspective of health, marriage between two people who have not had sex before means a disease-free relationship.

More importantly, virginity signifies the start of an equal partnership where both parties can learn about sex together, and grow as one in intimate matters.

But, alas, can such ideals survive the times we live in, where teenage sexual experimentation is more the norm than the exception? You could view this either as a loosening of morals or, conversely, a sign of increasing openness. Blame it on the mass media, literature, films and music, if you must, for propagating the notion that having sex is as commonplace as taking a shower.

To borrow from the song: Birds do it, bees do it and even educated fleas do it.

The way I see it, there's nothing to shout about if you've done it before marriage. Neither is there anything to be ashamed of if you haven't.

There's no need to make a big deal out of virginity.

As a wise woman said to me: 'Lose it when you feel the time is right, not before or after. It is precious and special, but it's not the Holy Grail.'

I couldn't have said it better.

So, good luck for those who insist on going on their quest for virgin brides. Just remember, marrying a virgin is no guarantee of matrimonial bliss.

It isn't, it wasn't and it ain't never gonna be.

Any comment?

PeiWen
18-03-2004, 02:31 PM
IMHo, I think chastity is the concern back to the olden days. Nowadays people are just very open-minded about being a virgin or not. What's more, with the Western culture penetrates to our society, teenagers nowadays even treat it as "no big deal". No matter how, one still has to be cautious, as the chances of infected AIDS will increase if having sex with many different partners.
I sent the same article to a guy friend last night, and in his opinion, he said that he won't bother if his gf is a virgin or not, as long as he loves her for her, he shouldn't dwell the past or fret over what has happened in the past. In fact, he said, some guys are selfish, as they expect their partners to be virgins, while themselves already not a virgins.
I quite agree with the author, that he said, why the double standard? Since the guys want their gfs to be virgins still, then girls can also request the same?

PeiWen
18-03-2004, 02:31 PM
IMHo, I think chastity is the concern back to the olden days. Nowadays people are just very open-minded about being a virgin or not. What's more, with the Western culture penetrates to our society, teenagers nowadays even treat it as "no big deal". No matter how, one still has to be cautious, as the chances of infected AIDS will increase if having sex with many different partners.
I sent the same article to a guy friend last night, and in his opinion, he said that he won't bother if his gf is a virgin or not, as long as he loves her for her, he shouldn't dwell the past or fret over what has happened in the past. In fact, he said, some guys are selfish, as they expect their partners to be virgins, while themselves already not a virgins.
I quite agree with the author, that he said, why the double standard? Since the guys want their gfs to be virgins still, then girls can also request the same?

laplace
18-03-2004, 08:02 PM
Well... I agree with what you friend think but on top of this, as long as the girl can be faithful to the guy, virginity is really not a problem. But if a girl who is too open-minded and has several sex partner in the same time, even after she gets along with me, I don't think so I will feel comfortable.

A couple can get together, there must be true love involved (in normal cases), hence, having lovers' relationship is a norm coz human has their needs too. If either party has more than 1 sex partner in a same time, then I wouldn't consider that is love but simply flirt... :wink:

laplace..

laplace
18-03-2004, 08:02 PM
Well... I agree with what you friend think but on top of this, as long as the girl can be faithful to the guy, virginity is really not a problem. But if a girl who is too open-minded and has several sex partner in the same time, even after she gets along with me, I don't think so I will feel comfortable.

A couple can get together, there must be true love involved (in normal cases), hence, having lovers' relationship is a norm coz human has their needs too. If either party has more than 1 sex partner in a same time, then I wouldn't consider that is love but simply flirt... :wink:

laplace..

PeiWen
21-03-2004, 07:57 PM
Mmm....i think the teenagers' minds are become wilder and more open-minded now....my junior just mentioned to me that, she wanted to be a play girl, she didn't want any attachment. There was a guy soft of hinted her to have 1-night stand, she said she would go! *luckily she didn't eventually)
My gosh...what happened to the younger generation?!

PeiWen
21-03-2004, 07:57 PM
Mmm....i think the teenagers' minds are become wilder and more open-minded now....my junior just mentioned to me that, she wanted to be a play girl, she didn't want any attachment. There was a guy soft of hinted her to have 1-night stand, she said she would go! *luckily she didn't eventually)
My gosh...what happened to the younger generation?!

laplace
21-03-2004, 09:51 PM
well... PeiWen, if your friend has such thinking, I would say she is not open-minded. She assumes that herself is an open-minded girl but somehow she is simply naive... or I would say... childish.

She doesn't really know what is the worst consequences being a play girl... if someone has such thinking, he/she will potentially be someone lonely, negative thinking, lack of self confidence, or probably be a HIV carrier. If it is a "she", she will have to face problems like abortion, VD and so on...

I would suggest you try to advise your friend not to do so... :wink:

laplace..

laplace
21-03-2004, 09:51 PM
well... PeiWen, if your friend has such thinking, I would say she is not open-minded. She assumes that herself is an open-minded girl but somehow she is simply naive... or I would say... childish.

She doesn't really know what is the worst consequences being a play girl... if someone has such thinking, he/she will potentially be someone lonely, negative thinking, lack of self confidence, or probably be a HIV carrier. If it is a "she", she will have to face problems like abortion, VD and so on...

I would suggest you try to advise your friend not to do so... :wink:

laplace..