Animal Rights in Malaysia

[Diesel]

Some of us may argue that this is not an important issue in Malaysia. What do you think?

Do you think we really care about animals in Malaysia? Is Malaysia the best place to be for animals?

[Schye]

http://www.recom.org/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10375/normal_gajah.JPG

This photo was taken when i went to Malacca Zoo. I hope that by posting this photo, more will realise how serious the problem now in Malaysia...

[Diesel]

what happened to the elephant's head?

[Shian_Ling_the_Duchess]

Some of us may argue that this is not an important issue in Malaysia. What do you think?

Do you think we really care about animals in Malaysia? Is Malaysia the best place to be for animals?

ya i think in malaysia this issue is not as well promoted as compared to eg: the US.

there should be more efforts in promoting animal "rights". although i personally prefer to say: promoting compassion for all beings, including animals. :)

[Schye]

what happened to the elephant's head?

It was hit by the "elephant hook" whenever it doesnt follow the order. It was Iodine that makes them looked PURPLE thuough.

We can see animal being tortured openly abd still no one does anything. Maybe we should have a hotline so that we can call anytime (i am not sure if we have it now or not, please post it here if you know about it) just like the the hotline for child abusement.

[Diesel]

you know what, we actually have animal ordinance (maybe 1957), but i doubt that it's ever been used.

worse than that, even the authority themselves are cruel to animals. DBKL for example.

[__earth]

we need PETA Malaysia.

[topdog]

PETA? no way...they are extremists...

[Diesel]

what's that?

[__earth]

People for Ethical Treatment of Animal.

You could say they are ecoterrist wannabes.

if you say PETA is extreme, you havent seen Animal Liberation Front yet. They are related to ELF.
Remember ELF?

Got SUV?

we dont think so. :twisted:

[yee_88888]

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[vseehua]

*Looks at a case: Seremban authorities storm a house and shot 9 pet dogs dead without warning...

*Looks at cases: Lots of protected animals being caught and smuggled out of the country for sale in China

*Looks a cases: Deforestation without limit destroying lots of habitats, and thus cornering the animals. Left without viable means of getting food, the tigers decided to attack villages' lifestocks. Then they blame the animals for killing their "Haiwan peliharaan."

*Looks at case: Money being offered by city council for people to bring stray dogs in, dead or alive.

Nah, Malaysians don't love animals at all... They just love to think only about themselves and themselves only

[burningBUTTERFLIES]

a country can be judged on how they treat their animals =)

[vseehua]

a country can be judged on how they treat their animals =)Mahatma Ghandi..

[burningBUTTERFLIES]

here's a nice related video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxKnys7Ryw

[kintaro_kun]

i remember the cases highlighted by vseehua. some of these were mentioned in the papers not too long ago. i think it gets boring to keep saying msians have no heart. coz, frankly, how many ppl you've met/known say cruel things to ppl or animals? msians in various capacities, do and say evil to poor/marginalised ppl, what more for animals? i bet some recommers here kick dogs and cats on the streets, or just discriminate/treat badly ppl who are downtrodden, sick and poor. its all due to the absence of awareness, empathy, kindness, and moral values these days.

just think carefully not only with your brain, but also with your heart, before you act.

start with a sweet wrapper, before you toss it to the floor, pause and think it over, if your decades of civilised education and moral input compel you to litter, please do, but if you have reached another conclusion, you should know what to do next. believe me, it may seem to be a small issue, but when you start training yourself on ethics, or just distinguishing on what right or wrong is, things can only get better. at least, thats what seperates us from the animals.

[burningBUTTERFLIES]

"i think it gets boring to keep saying msians have no heart. coz, frankly, how many ppl you've met/known say cruel things to ppl or animals?"

...and doing nothing abt it (besides comments) could translate to the community agreeing to it

and yea... start with something small. the smallest things will make a difference

[qedx]

Animals = FOOD

They don't have rights

[vseehua]

Animals = FOOD

They don't have rightsHumans = FOOD

They also don't have rights

[youngyew]

Animals = FOOD

They don't have rights
It's what your religion / personal conviction tells you.

[slumber]

have you all heard that in malaysia , they use org utan in their research? i knew it from my lecturer and i have debate with her about this issue.. i dont think that by using orang utan for test is the best idea because org utan is one of the highly endangered species and i told her..but i really shocked with what she said..
she said: ala sikit je mereka guna , takkan pupusnye..

hmmm wierd :idea:

[youngyew]

Research does not always involve killing the research subject. It's usually done by observation, captive breeding, habitat improvement, predator control etc.

In fact I don't think they are killing orangutan at all, are they?

[vseehua]

In fact I don't think they are killing orangutan at all, are they?maybe no, but torturing them is worse than killing them...

[youngyew]

In fact I don't think they are killing orangutan at all, are they?maybe no, but torturing them is worse than killing them...
Wait, where are you guys hearing the researcher torturing orangutan news from? It sounds like it's a common knowledge?!

[Xon]

In fact I don't think they are killing orangutan at all, are they?maybe no, but torturing them is worse than killing them...
Wait, where are you guys hearing the researcher torturing orangutan news from? It sounds like it's a common knowledge?!

Vseehua,somewhere in your hometown there? i suppose got a institute do that...check it out when you are back to your hometown....

[slumber]

if new research means new drugs or something new injected inside the body.. so wasnt it animal abuse esp to endangered species?...
i really need to confirm about this org utan experiment.. has anyone heard about it before?

[Miracle_seed]

Obviously, animal rights are not well-protected.... I guess most people still remember the "Dog-Catching (Hunting?) Contest" launched by Majlis Perbandaran Selayang...... And another case in Seremban where some (many?) dogs were killed in the owner's house. Even though he didn't have licence, I think the action is a bit too cold-blooded. The bloody sence can be seen in newspapers.

I'm sure there are laws to protect animals in Malaysia, but I doubt how many people really know that... Frankly, I don't know too... The only animal-related law most people can recall is just regarding wildlife protection. How about animals in cities and streets? Many may not even know such law exists.

[qedx]

Humans = FOOD

They also don't have rights
yes, but people seem to have some sort of bias against killing people for food. i bet we're delicious, especially babies. YUM!

[vseehua]

In fact I don't think they are killing orangutan at all, are they?maybe no, but torturing them is worse than killing them...
Wait, where are you guys hearing the researcher torturing orangutan news from? It sounds like it's a common knowledge?!you are right, most of the cases of Orang Utan being tortured are due to palm oil corporations opening up large sections of the forest for their own use...

But then again, i can't condone research when it's done in captivity as it doesn't reflect the true wild nature of the animals.

yes, but people seem to have some sort of bias against killing people for food. i bet we're delicious, especially babies. YUM!I bet that many parents taught their children that only humans deserve to live a good life and animals are only there to feed their stomach

[youngyew]

if new research means new drugs or something new injected inside the body.. so wasnt it animal abuse esp to endangered species?...
i really need to confirm about this org utan experiment.. has anyone heard about it before?
It's not a good representation of scientific research. With drug research, there's a stringent regulation about each stage of study. The first part of study is usually done in lab with chemicals, where the chemical nature of the compound is looked at, studied with chromatography etc. Then they start to work with individual cells to see whether it has certain effect.

Then they might work with lab rats or other animals, to see whether it works on them. Even at the stage of rats, they need to be extra careful with the experiment. This is a contentious issue - there's indeed been complaints about reckless killing in animal testing, and the debates about whether animal should be used in experiments continue today. In any case, in developed countries like Australia, they have stringent control about animal experimentation. One of the most important rules in research is that unnecessarily killing is prohibited, and if animals need to be killed, the number must be carefully minimized and the death be non-painful (i.e. pain relief / anaesthesia given).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing

Usually if all the previous stages went well, the next stage of study will involve a small number of volunteers to test the safety of the drug. Then a larger number of volunteers will be recruited for the next stage to evaluate its effectiveness and again its safeness. Then a really big study will be done to compare the current drug and the previous best treatment, to see whether there's a comparative benefit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_trial

From the very beginning until the drug is approved by the government, it will usually take more than ten years. It's strictly regulated and it's not like they will simply feed a random compound from the lab to an orangutan / human and if they die they just go "ooh too bad". I am not sure how often orangutan is used in drug research, have never heard about it.

But then again, i can't condone research when it's done in captivity as it doesn't reflect the true wild nature of the animals.
This is true if the research is about survival in the wild. But mostly those dedicated researchers learn about their cognition, behaviours, interactions etc. Those animal researchers usually are dedicated to ensure the animals' continued survival in the wild (just look at what they are doing with giant panda in China and tasmanian devil in Tasmania).

[qedx]

I bet that many parents taught their children that only humans deserve to live a good life and animals are only there to feed their stomach
I'm not saying that people should go around killing/torturing every animal that cross their path. If you have pets, fine with me. Feed them, clothe them, sleep with them, do whatever you want with them. I don't care. But do it ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY! If I see an animal that I do not own (it's pretty easy to tell since I don't have any) in my yard, I'll take out my animal killing implement and do my best to murder it or drive it away, whichever comes first. So far, I haven't killed any yet (fast little buggers) :(. If you don't have a large enough property for a free ranging animal like a cat, then don't get one.

Pet owners get bored with their pet, or their pet breeds to much or otherwise find themselves unable to take care of their animals simply let the animals go free. These animals run wild, raid people's garbage bins for food, bites people, generally making a nuisance of themselves. If you can't take care of your animal, there are 3 things that you can do: sell it, give it away, or kill it. Running loose, they could annoy or even hurt people. In my book, this is worse than killing an animal.

What is wrong with holding the dog-catching competitions like the MPS did? These dogs are strays, a lot of them are probably feral, and probably diseased. You also have to keep in mind that these are medium- to large-sized carnivores. Would you react the same way if a bunch of tigers are loose in your town?

Oh I'm not saying that citizens should go around with nets trying to grab the dogs by hand, which is indeed very dangerous. I'm saying:
1. mix a lot of rat poison in with a lot of cheap ground meat (doesn't really matter what kind)
2. scatter around garbage dumps, generally their feeding areas
3. ????
4. PROFIT

Also, I'm interested to know what alternatives are there to animal testing? And how do they compare?

[burningBUTTERFLIES]

"I don't care. But do it ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY!"

I remember that certain people said that abt child abuse too. If your neighbour shits all over his house, including the roof, and smear the walls with it, I guess you should let him. It's on his property whattttt. But the smell gets to you. That intangible thing that can be ignored, but it shouldnt be tolerated.

"What is wrong with holding the dog-catching competitions like the MPS did?"

Short term solution for lazy people. This is degrading animals to another level lower, and basically we're taught that compassion for another being only extends to humans. The problem will just get bigger.

And PS, there's something called spaying.

[qedx]

I remember that certain people said that abt child abuse too.Firstly, where in my post do I advocate child or even animal abuse? All I'm saying is if you want a pet keep it on a leash or caged. If you want it to roam free, live on a ranch, or something like that, where it's less likely to bother people, not in a taman perumahan. Let me put this simply for you:Neighbour's cat in neighbour's house: I don't care
Neighbour's cat in my house: I do care Many pet owners are irresponsible. They think that owning a pet just means feeding it regularly, playing with it from time to time, and taking it to the vet when it's sick. In the mean time, they let them run around the neighborhood. This is especially true of cat owners. In a way taking care of an animal is just like taking care of a child. A child that will grow eats, poops, get sick, and if they're lucky, die of old age, all the while never reaching the potential that a human child has.

If your neighbour shits all over his house, including the roof, and smear the walls with it, I guess you should let him. It's on his property whattttt. But the smell gets to you. That intangible thing that can be ignored, but it shouldnt be tolerated.Secondly, what idiot would shit all over his house. Would people shitting all over their house bother me? Sure it would! The smell is one thing, there's all the health implications to think about too. I'd take my animal killing implement and beat his punk ass up. On second thought, no; I'd get his shit all over my animal killing implement.

But what if it's his animal that's shitting all over his house? Can I go over there and beat someone up? And who do I beat up, him or his animal? Or both? :twisted:

Thirdly, I'm not sure what kind of universe you live in, but in mine, animals are tangible. Or maybe not, intangibility would explain why it's so damn hard to hit those cats. Hmm...

This is degrading animals to another level lower, And I'm saying you people are elevating animals "another level" higher than what they are.

and basically we're taught that compassion for another being only extends to humans. The problem will just get bigger.Yes they do, if you want to. Put your money where your mouth is: Adopt a stray dog or two, or give money to whatever animal rights/protection group near you. The problem with the bleeding hearts is that they won't cough up the dough, and then cry foul when more practical/efficient methods are used to eliminate the problem.

And PS, there's something called spaying.
Funny how the bleeding hearts seem to favour genital mutilation. And yet there are more and more stray animals. Educate your fellow animal lovers and pet owners, and do not preach to people who do not care about or own pets. We'll kill 'em and eat 'em, or at least feed them to the tigers and lions at the zoos.

[youngyew]

And I'm saying you people are elevating animals "another level" higher than what they are.
People are always saying that animals are just animals, but the thing is, do you think it's right to, say, pinch a cuffed-up dog for the sake of sadism and watch the dog wretch in agony?

Treating animal as "equal" is one thing, protecting animals from inhumane treatment is quite another.

[kintaro_kun]

funny when you go to australia, new zealand etc, you never find stray dogs or cats on the streets. its either the animals there are smarter than their msian counterparts knowing how to establish their own animal townships/ghettos, or THE AUSSIES/KIWIS THERE SIMPLY HAVE BETTER ANIMAL TREATMENTS/MANAGEMENT THAN THE MSIAN PEOPLES.

its either the animals are different, or THE PEOPLE are different.

[vseehua]

Same here in Germany...

Animals have the same rights as we do as living beings. Some people always seem to degrade them to be slaves/food of humans just because we are more 'advanced' than them...

[kintaro_kun]

this morning as i was walking across the field to the bus stop, i saw a carcass of a dead bird with its legs tied with plastic string to a broken branch. no doubt abused and killed by humans. surely its the bird's fault for its own demise. it must have "trespassed" into some human's house's "air space" hence deserved to be hunted and killed tied to a tree branch. surely as "advanced" creatures as we msian ppl are, it couldnt possibly be OUR fault. :roll:

[bluez_aspic]

Would Shoblast say that it's due to their failure to evolve? :lol:

[Shoblast]

Stop caricaturing me you ninny

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Saturday February 9, 2008

Helping the animals

Lawyer and restaurateur Chan Mo Lin talks about her latest pet project ? a calendar that?s literally going to the dogs.

By KEE HUA CHEE

Animal rights supporter Chan Mo Lin is pragmatic. She does not take kindly to owners who leave millions to their dogs.

?Philanthropy should be limited to the welfare of humans. It is fine to leave part of your fortune to animal charities but not your entire fortune to one dog, as Countess Karlotta Liebenstein did for her German Shepherd Gunther III. Philanthropy to me is about helping humans first.?

Chan has been raising funds for the SPCA (Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) for the past 35 years, and her interest has only grown stronger.
Chan Mo Lin with one of her pooches.

?I worked closely with the chairman then, Mea Wheatley. Christine Chin took over the helm four years ago. Under Christine?s leadership, I feel SPCA has created public awareness.??

Chan likens fundraising for our four-legged friends to ?running uphill through sand??.

She sighs, ?Nine out of 10 people I approach prefer to to donate for human causes. They feel animals are less important. This is true in a way but if I don?t persevere in helping the strays, their fate is sealed.

?There is no government agency to look after strays or abused animals. The zoo has limited funds and facilities. The SPCA does not receive any funds from the government. They are funded through private donations and contributions.

Operational costs come from their efforts in generating income. We fight to uphold animal rights and to give a better life to stray animals. This is a thankless task but I am filled with joy each time I see a family coming to the SPCA to adopt a dog or cat.?

Charity calendars

?Last year, it struck me that it would be a good idea to sell animal calendars to raise funds for SPCA,? says Chan.

She decided not to waste time looking for sponsors, sponsoring the production of the desktop calendar of cats and dogs herself. All proceeds would go to SPCA?s kitty. It was a 12-page desk calendar and sold for RM20.

?I sold 1,500 calendars and raised RM30,000 so we were very pleased. It was so popular that I repeated the production this year and sold 3,000 more copies which raked in a profit of more than RM45,000.

The calendar features Chan?s three mongrels, the dogs of SPCA committee members and other pet owners.

Chan wanted her darlings to be seen in their best light and hired a professional photographer.

?The photo shoot was as elaborate as any human diva?s and took two days to complete,? recalls Chan.

Over 700 photos were taken.
Dogs galore: The SPCA calendar filled with posing pooches costs only RM20. ? CHAN MO LIN

?There were so many beautiful shots of my dogs that I decided to print a personal calendar of my own dogs. The calendars make great year-end gifts.?

Chan?s foursome are Toffee, Max, Armani and Giorgio.

?Toffee is 16. In her younger days, she could answer the phone by picking it up with her mouth. She was my late mum?s constant companion and has been left a RM30 stipend a month in my mother?s will, which I use to buy her favourite snacks.

?Max was initially distrustful, insecure, even aggressive, but he?s now loving and loyal. His origins are unknown.

?Armani was born in Ipoh in 2005 and given to me by Datin Janet Yeoh, mother of superstar Datuk Michelle Yeoh. Armani was three weeks old and quite weak when I took her back to KL from Ipoh. And look at her now! A most engaging personality!

?Giorgio ? yes I named him after one of my favourite designers! ? is a stray that wandered into my house last August. His origins are unknown but I think he must be between two and three years old.?

Instead of buying pedigreed pooches, Chan goes for dogs that are least likely to survive.

?I know the cute, pretty ones can easily find new owners. So I adopt ailing and unattractive dogs that are usually overlooked by people. I have always kept mongrels!

?My dogs will never win ?Dog of the Year? awards but to me they are the best!?

Already she is planning her 2009 calendars.

?This time, I am offering the owners of cats and dogs, or any animal for that matter, the chance to appear in the SPCA calendar. The owner must pledge to buy at least 100 calendars totalling RM2,000.

?Pets are a part of our lives and considered members of the family. Over a billion people rely on animals all over the world for their living or for companionship.

?FBI research shows most serial killers, rapists and other criminals had previous records of animal abuse. Thus there is a link between cruelty to animals and violence towards humans.

?If governments take animal abuse seriously and formulate harsher laws, they are also putting in place a mechanism which protects women and children from violence,? says Chan.

# The SPCA 2008 calendars are still available for sale. Pet owners wishing to feature their pets can contact the SPCA at Jalan Kerja Air Lama, Ampang Jaya, or call (03) 4256 3512.


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[chess_the_world]

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.

Mahatma Gandhi
Indian political and spiritual leader (1869 - 1948)

[matchgirl]

the rights of PETS is cared about,maybe excssivey.
But he rights of ANIMALS?
just step outside and see how many stray dogs and cats are there..

[vseehua]

the rights of PETS is cared about,maybe excssivey.
But he rights of ANIMALS?
just step outside and see how many stray dogs and cats are there..what do you suppose we do then?

[firebolt]

well,
indeed the animals in malaysia still deserve more attention, protection and rights,
but,
to what extent do they have/deserve rights?
the word "right" is actually subjective and vague,
you can say "walking along a street and barking" as a right,
you can say " biting ppl to defend themselves, etc" as a right,
you can even say they deserve an IC, like us!
i think their most basic right is to have the chance to live, to live peacefully! and not harmed in any ways, not abused, not deprived of a decent live.

i urge the rakyat to have more sympathy for the animals!

[AnnDeBlurry]

well,
indeed the animals in malaysia still deserve more attention, protection and rights,
but,
to what extent do they have/deserve rights?
the word "right" is actually subjective and vague,
you can say "walking along a street and barking" as a right,
you can say " biting ppl to defend themselves, etc" as a right,
you can even say they deserve an IC, like us!
i think their most basic right is to have the chance to live, to live peacefully! and not harmed in any ways, not abused, not deprived of a decent live.

i urge the rakyat to have more sympathy for the animals!


Yea , I agree !! So , the town council , please stop going around and search for stray dog so that you can shoot them down !! Are you heartless ?

[LilDeviant]

Yea , I agree !! So , the town council , please stop going around and search for stray dog so that you can shoot them down !! Are you heartless ?

What alternative is there for the council?
What good is there for the stray animals to wonder around streets and residential areas?

[AnnDeBlurry]

But why shoot them ?? That's too cruel !! Instead of catching those stray dogs , they should have control the populations of rat --pest that sneak into our house and spoilt our food and households .

[qedx]

Rats are animals too! Why the cruelty? *cry* *sob* /sarcasm

[LilDeviant]

But why shoot them ?? That's too cruel !! Instead of catching those stray dogs , they should have control the populations of rat --pest that sneak into our house and spoilt our food and households .

If you don't shoot them, what are you going to do about them?
Send them all to SPCA?
Set up a camp for them?

Even SPCA alone puts alot of these animials to sleep, everyday.

As for rodents, I don't think we really need the council's intervention at this point as there are private agencies which deal with this provided one is willing to pay.

[AnnDeBlurry]

Can train them to become dog doctor . This is very common in other countries . They help to cheer the patients up and give them support ~~
By the way , dogs have strong sense of smell , so why don't train them to help the police force to search for hidden drugs , missing person ........ In that way , it can help to decrease the crime rate

[LilDeviant]

A good suggestion I suppose. Nonetheless, do note that not all of these animals are capable of being trained to play the expected role.

[AnnDeBlurry]

Agree . But I think they deserve to live . Imagine if we are the stray dogs and killed....ai~~

[qedx]

Stray animals tend to be feral and disease-carriers. Shoot 'em up!

[jayden]

Stray animals tend to be feral and disease-carriers. Shoot 'em up!

The phrase shoot 'em up sounds cold blooded when used in this context.. More like what should be used in a shooting MMORPG or something instead. At least just put the animals down by lethal injection instead.

[AnnDeBlurry]

The phrase shoot 'em up sounds cold blooded when used in this context.. More like what should be used in a shooting MMORPG or something instead. At least just put the animals down by lethal injection instead.

yea...don't be so heartless to animals , so in humane !! if you're animals , you won't want that to happen to you

[qedx]

We are animals.
Lethal injections? Well I support use of tranqs by the city council people; not too confident of them being good shots. After the animals are tranqed though, I don't really give a damn how they're killed. Cut off their heads for all I care /shrug

[phoenix1892]

Crap...I voted yes. Can I cancel that? I meant to say no....I love animals...probably more than I love most people...

[vimal06]

I am really very disturbed dat the DBKL would resort to poisoning stray dogs.. It is totally an act of disgust.. ARent the dogs living beings too and deserve a chance in life?? WE humans have wronged Mother Nature in many ways and are now facing Her wrath! Haven't we idiotic race learnt enough?! Wat else do we need to realise our responsibility to the nature!! Totally disgusted!!

[hfz]

Those stray dogs have a high chance of carrying diseases. If they do need to dispose them, the most humane way I can think is by poisoning. Though not using poison that make them suffer but rather the one that provides a slow and less painful death.

[LilDeviant]

That's exactly what they do anyway. They put them to sleep.

[phoenix1892]

Those stray dogs have a high chance of carrying diseases. If they do need to dispose them, the most humane way I can think is by poisoning. Though not using poison that make them suffer but rather the one that provides a slow and painful death.

Slow and painful death? How is that does not make them suffer? I think the government should build shelters for these strays animals. Not just shoot them up. we might as well shoot all those homeless hobos while we're at it. eusthanasia (sp?) should only be warranted when it is really necessary, and carried out in the most humane manner. the animals should be anesthesised and then put to sleep.

[hfz]

Slow and painful death? How is that does not make them suffer? I think the government should build shelters for these strays animals. Not just shoot them up. we might as well shoot all those homeless hobos while we're at it. eusthanasia (sp?) should only be warranted when it is really necessary, and carried out in the most humane manner. the animals should be anesthesised and then put to sleep.

Sorry. My bad. Not painful. I mean like a sedative. It doesn't actually hurt, just put them into a really long sleep.

Yes, I am all against shooting them. On the homeless hobos, I guess that's human rights altogether ;)

[phoenix1892]

Sorry. My bad. Not painful. I mean like a sedative. It doesn't actually hurt, just put them into a really long sleep.

Yes, I am all against shooting them. On the homeless hobos, I guess that's human rights altogether ;)

Nice to hear that. I'm sorry, I'm always a little feisty when talking about animal rights. I love animals and I dont believe they are treated fairly. Sure we are superior to them, but still, that doesnt mean we can use them like some disposable slaves. on the hobos, that's a hyperbole i guess ;p.

[vimal06]

Those stray dogs have a high chance of carrying diseases. If they do need to dispose them, the most humane way I can think is by poisoning. Though not using poison that make them suffer but rather the one that provides a slow and painful death.

Sorry to be loud on my Point Of View but i think this is sheer nonsense.. If stray dogs have a high chance of carying diseases, then what do we make out of all those illegal immigrants that enter our country via illegal means, carry out immorale activities ranging from kidnapping, burglary, robbery, prostitution and so on?? If the goverment can afford to detain these humans which in no aspect benefit our country, then why shouldn't the goverment actually try to initiate the most remote step of protecting animal rights?? The almost beast like shoting of dogs in public and poisoning dogs and leaving them to die painfully n slowly doesn't seem to reflect well on the Malaysian n Eastern image n culture that we claim to posses.. Once again, i apologise for any harsh manner of speech but i cant bear to tolerate this issue any further..

[hfz]

Nice to hear that. I'm sorry, I'm always a little feisty when talking about animal rights. I love animals and I dont believe they are treated fairly. Sure we are superior to them, but still, that doesnt mean we can use them like some disposable slaves. on the hobos, that's a hyperbole i guess ;p.

No worries. I did write the wrong thing.

Sorry to be loud on my Point Of View but i think this is sheer nonsense.. If stray dogs have a high chance of carying diseases, then what do we make out of all those illegal immigrants that enter our country via illegal means, carry out immorale activities ranging from kidnapping, burglary, robbery, prostitution and so on?? If the goverment can afford to detain these humans which in no aspect benefit our country, then why shouldn't the goverment actually try to initiate the most remote step of protecting animal rights?? The almost beast like shoting of dogs in public and poisoning dogs and leaving them to die painfully n slowly doesn't seem to reflect well on the Malaysian n Eastern image n culture that we claim to posses.. Once again, i apologise for any harsh manner of speech but i cant bear to tolerate this issue any further..

Illegal immigrants should never be able to come in our country in the first place. They should be deported immediately. But the problem crops when the authorities becomes lax. That is a whole new issue together.

Stray dogs are not illegal in any means what so ever. And yes, they shouldn't be killed inhumanely. My previous post contained a typo that I have corrected, in which I state 'slow and painful death'. I really wanted to say 'a less painful death'.

Anyway, I do condemned those who kill stray dogs merely by shooting senselessly at them.

[vseehua]

Those stray dogs have a high chance of carrying diseases. If they do need to dispose them, the most humane way I can think is by poisoning. Though not using poison that make them suffer but rather the one that provides a slow and less painful death.
I don't think slow and painless can be mixed. If you want to kill something, it's best to just make a quick one. So quick that they never felt it...

[starlemon]

There are about 400 animals in the United States who are listed as endangered, and about 130 that are threatened. Worldwide, there are about 500 animals listed as endangered and 39 listed as threatened.
Does that mean that most of the endangered animals are in the United States? No! But it does mean that we're pretty good at getting the ones who are endangered on the endangered species list. Most species that are actually endangered aren't on the list. Scientists estimate that 100 species go extinct every day! That's about one species every 15 minutes.

why not we malaysian have a legal law that can promote animal right in Malaysia..

[Caprio]

I don't think slow and painless can be mixed. If you want to kill something, it's best to just make a quick one. So quick that they never felt it...

I would say a fast and a painless one, like using anasthesia. I think it is widely pratice in Malaysia. This is the most common practice to put the old age dog to death peacefully.

[ayja]

I'm not sure if you guys are aware that the maximum fine imposed on people who have committed animal cruelty is a mere RM200 ONLY. Not only that if found guilty they can only be jailed for a max of ONE day. I volunteer at the SPCA and one day a guy came in and asked for a dog. Specifically, a huge ferocious one. I asked him why and he said that he wants a dog to look after his shoplot and he'll be putting him at the back of the shoplot. Again I asked why and he said he has two dogs already and apparently one was attacked with some sort of object leaving him to bleed and is currently very injured. Since I am relatively 'newbie' status at the SPCA I passed this task on to a very nice Aunty and she scolded him terribly. It was due to the fact that his dog has been injured and he couldn't be bothered to send him to be treated. She also mentioned that the SPCA does not give dogs just like that to 'jaga' people's property when you can't afford to show love towards the animal. He got a real earful. Imagine the cheek of some people. It's sad to see when some animals come in, dirty and faecal matter all stuck to their fur with burned skin and all. So heartless it really saddens me. Please don't be like that. It's disgusting to see that we as the 'superior beings' of the earth treat animals as second class cause they aren't able to voice out. If you were to have an intelligence test between a dog and some heartless creature who deem themselves as 'human' you'd be surprised at the results.

[starlemon]

Have you ever seen someone hurting an animal and felt like you couldn't do anything to stop it? Well, read on?there are important ways that you can speak up.:P

Get Help! If you see someone hurting an animal, or know of an animal who looks sick, injured or does not have adequate food, water or shelter, you can do something about it. Never try to help the animal yourself. Instead, tell an adult you trust. Together, you and an adult can call the police or your local animal shelter. It's very important to inform the police because animal cruelty is against the law in all 50 states.

Write Everything Down! Be prepared to provide information on the cruel act that you witnessed. Write down what you saw happen, who was involved, the date of the incident and where it took place.

Be Responsible! Don't let your animal friends roam free. Keep your cats indoors. Dogs should always be on leash and supervised when they're outside.

Be a Leader ,Be kind to animals and others will follow. Let your family, friends, classmates and adults know that hurting animals is not cool.

Volunteer Your Time! You're never too young to volunteer your time helping animals. Contact your local animal shelter or humane society for junior volunteer programs. For a list of shelters in your area, search our National Shelter Directory.

Spread the Word! Share facts and information about the prevention of animal cruelty and responsible pet care with your friends, family, teachers, neighbors and classmates.

Invite a Guest Speaker to Your School. Ask your teacher to have someone from your local animal shelter or humane society come and speak to the students in your school. These awesome animal lovers teach kids all kinds of things such as pet care, dog bite prevention, how to pet a dog and how to stop cruelty.

Start a Club! With the help of one of your teachers, organize an animal lovers' club at your school.

Check it Out! In order to stop animal abuse, we need to understand WHY people are cruel to animals!

[chenjun1128]

I think the only reason we should kill animals is to eat them, since its crucial to our survival..other than that, please don't kill, harm or torture tham..I mean, do we really need ivory and leopard skin so much?? I'd say Malaysia is in the middle when it comes to animal rights: worse than US ,Canada, and Europe, where there are many active organizations but still far better than china and india, since many animals, domestic or exotics are slaughtered in the uggliest manner immaginable..Have u seen a video of a china guy stripping a furry little thing of its fur, when its still alive?