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chenchow
27-09-2007, 11:53 AM
This is an article by Mansor Puteh, who has kindly allowed me to post it here to be shared with fellow ReComers.

This would hopefully be able to provide a discussion topic for fellow ReComers.

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NO COMPELLING REASON FOR ANYONE TO STUDY AT THE PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY.

by Mansor Puteh

Is there any compelling reason why students should strive to study hard, get all the good grades and find places at the prestigious Ivy League and OxBridge universities in America and England, respectively, and the other similar institutions elsewhere?

I personally don?t think there is any.

Students who study at any of such universities must be sent there for a specific purpose so that when they return they can be given specific tasks to perform, from a level that they are familiar with and not from right at the bottom where they will feel useless, especially if all their colleagues are those with unimpressive academic backgrounds and degrees from the ?Ding-dong bell universities? to compete with.

First, why must a student study hard, get good grades and study in any of the universities, when in the end, with their respective degrees, they are still forced to apply for the same jobs together with the other graduates of the ?Ding-dong-bell Universities? and get the same pay?

Whereas, studying at the prestigious universities is very costly compared to studying at the ?Ding-dong bell Universities? that costs a fraction.

And it is also tougher to graduate, let alone excel, from the prestigious universities compared to the others, whose faculty especially those in private university colleges, may ?close one eye? and allow the student to graduate because they do not wish to fail any of them, even if they do not deserve to pass and graduate. No wonder the casualty rate at private colleges is very low. One hardly hears of students from such colleges dropping out. Most often it is they who quit on their own.

We can also notice how students of private colleges seem not to suffer from any stress and can afford to socialize a lot, compared to those who are in public universities, who hardly have time for themselves and often look less cheerful and dress less fanciful than their counterparts in the private colleges who often go to class in fancy clothes.

The only students who go to the prestigious universities are mostly those who are sent there on full government scholarships, so when they return upon graduation, they have a better job and a post that pays better than before they furthered their education to get their more superior degree.

But alas, many of them do not excel in their chosen fields as they were given simple tasks to perform, mostly as administrators doing routine work everyday.

The others were sent to these universities for the graduate studies, after working a while at many of the ministries or government agencies.

Unfortunately, even if many of them had managed to obtain their doctorates even from Harvard, their presence is not felt, as they had not conducted researches leading to their graduation that can be said to be relevant to the needs of the nation let alone the world.

There are many doctorates in Malaysia who have written their theses, but these are only for purpose for them to present to their supervisors and other faculty members in order to graduate. No wonder, many of them only submit simple theses that did not require them to ?crack their brains?. No Malaysian doctoral candidate at any university abroad or locally, had made any extensive study on their chosen fields and are known for it.

They often become arm-chair experts spouting comments and ideas that are mostly second-hand. No wonder, not many Malaysian experts have also been so recognized abroad.

I would like to suggest to the authorities which often send students to work on their doctorates at any university abroad or locally to force them to conduct only the type of researches that are useful to the nation only so that they are not seen as more academic exercises. There is no point for them to work on any research just for them alone to get their degrees. Getting the opportunity to work on a doctorate is not only an honor, but more than that, it is a big responsibility. It is not for personal glory, but for the benefit of the nation and not just the university or government agency or ministry that had sponsored their studies or researches.

They should be forced to conduct specific researches that can later be implemented by the ministries or universities they work for.

I do not know of any government ministry, agency or university demanding that the doctoral candidate submit and discuss his or her thesis to the relevant authorities, to find out how what he had discovered and written at great length in the thesis can be implemented.

And all the doctoral theses must be published because they were all funded by the government and as such the candidates who now proudly call themselves ?Doctors? and put the ?Dr? prefix before their names should not only be proud of doing just this and expect everybody to address themselves as Doctors, but to try and trust themselves in the forefront in their chosen fields, not only in Malaysia but elsewhere, and contribute important and interesting ideas. Those who refuse to publish their doctoral theses must not be accorded with the respect as academicians or intellectuals who are known for their researches and not by the type of prefixes and academic titles they may have before their names for self-promotion.

There is no need for anyone to guess just how many of the theses that had been written by all those people in Malaysia who have PhDs that have been published. Even if there are a few of them the books are mostly for reading purposes and not to instigate further thought. In fact, there is one doctoral candidate who even debunked his own thesis and in order to save his skin, he admitted that writing the thesis was purely an ?academic exercise?.

I personally know many of them who are embarrassed to allow their close friends to even look at their theses, let alone to want to submit them to publishers to get them published.

It is therefore a sheer waste of money and effort for all the doctorates to use the three years they were at their respective universities just to conduct simple researches without benefiting the society and country.

No wonder, too, our doctorates are not known by what theses or researches that they had done, like in other countries when a person with a PhD does not use the prefix or call himself ?Doctor? but is described as a person who ?holds a doctorate in such and such a study or research?.

In order to get many more Malaysians to study at the prestigious universities, the ministers of education and higher education and other well-meaning national leaders should not only give speeches to encourage them to do so.

What the respective ministries and government should do is to offer the right incentives to make it attractive for any student to pursue their university education at the prestigious universities.

This can be in the form off offering them the jobs they want and wages that are at least three times more than those given to graduates of the ordinary universities.

If this cannot be done, then there is no real compelling reason for any student in Malaysia to want to study at any of the prestigious universities, because it is very expensive and tougher to graduate, when they could go to any of the private colleges in the country and pay a small fee and still be able to obtain a degree and get a job in the end to lead a normal life.

In America major corporations converge on all the Ivy League universities to grab the students even before they graduate, by offering them jobs with lucrative wages and other benefits or perks, so they do not choose their rival companies instead to work at.

In Malaysia, such a practice is not done, and the corporations are happy to get anybody who has the relevant degrees even though he may not be exceptional. As a result, we can never find those with the best academic qualification taking up top jobs in these companies, especially those that are linked to the government and in the government ministries and agencies.

And ironically, because of that many brilliant Malaysians with more superior academic qualifications from prestigious universities in America and elsewhere are sabotaged by them because they feel threatened by the presence of these smart alecs.

How ironic indeed!

youngyew
27-09-2007, 02:23 PM
To be honest, I don't quite get this article.

The article started with a claim that "students have no compelling reasons to go to prestigious universities", but from the sounds of it, it's more talking about "governments should not sponsor students blindly to prestigious universities". These are really different arguments and the author seemed to have mixed it up in the opening paragraphs.

Next, it's argued about how prestigious universities cost more, and that even when they return they are given simple tasks which do not make good use of their expertise. But this is not a convincing point - the problem exists because those talents go wasted, and why do we suggest to stop producing talents instead of making better use of them?

It's also claimed that a lot of post-graduate and doctorate students are doing "pure academic" but impractical stuff. I can't personally comment on that as I am not in the know; but what does that have to do with the article's title, that "nobody has compelling reasons to study in prestigious universities"?

There are good reasons to study in better universities. Yes diamonds would remain diamonds wherever they are; but by exposing pebbles themselves to a good environment, they could be well polished and would have a better chance of achieving better as compared to studying in mediocre universities.

Unless my scanning of the article is inadequate, I would say that the article does a bad job at justifying its central idea.

kintaro_kun
27-09-2007, 06:30 PM
sheesh, i tot i would get a greater sense of awareness after reading this article, maybe learn a thing or two, never thought it'd be another "i'm from top uni, hence it is my right to deserve better wages and conditions" lamentation ala azly rahman. :roll:

JetLee0510
28-09-2007, 01:48 AM
watever.. those frm ivy league unis... or watsoever like tat always hv a better advantage when comparing to others even they r at the same level.. . the fame and reputation of a uni do meant something

WinnieH
11-10-2007, 06:59 PM
watever.. those frm ivy league unis... or watsoever like tat always hv a better advantage when comparing to others even they r at the same level.. . the fame and reputation of a uni do meant something

hmmm sad but true. it does mean something. like, if you're a law student studying in u.k and practiced in u.k for some time, and when you come back to malaysia, people will look at you differently. (compared to malaysian uni graduates) that's life i guess.

sithan
05-11-2007, 11:34 PM
I agree with youngyew. I cannot get gist of this article. The question posed is a good one but i don't see the relationship between the arguments. Maybe I'm wrong.

Someone please elucidate the aim or the essence of this article.

hhhcce
06-11-2007, 12:57 PM
Me too. The author just kept beating around the bushes for those arguments that seem to be not related to each other at all. I would say it is important to get into prestigious university.

Tasslehoff
13-11-2007, 05:51 AM
LOL really..
Ding Dong Bell Universities.. LOL

OMG this is such a POOR argument...

This is just another case of lousy talent management in Malaysia... (mostly true in the government sector...) However, we do have private companies who have fantastic management structures.. look at how YTL operates!

tezuka87
14-12-2007, 11:35 PM
I think the article is playing on itself...the title is just to get your attention...NO COMPELLING REASON FOR ANYONE TO STUDY AT THE PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY. Who wouldn't want to read it?

Its an allegory.

The true intention of this article to tell those people up there in our Malaysian Educational System or whatever that there is this huge problem.

It is totally true that even if you study in a prestigious university overseas, when you come back to Malaysia you will get the same salary as a student from a tiny unheard of university in Malaysia.

No wonder our overseas graduates are not coming back. Unless you are under a government scholarship, in which you have to come back and work in some backwater place until your bond is over.

The article readily admits that graduates from top universities such as Harvard or Cambridge are definitely in a different class from local graduates. Not that our local grads are bad, but it is incomparable with the exposure you get in top universities. These universities employ lecturers who are at the top of their field, Nobel prize winners, top thinkers. Their education system is such that in order to graduate you have to be good, you have to think, and you have to have problem solving skills. It is true that a diamond will shine anywhere. These schools will turn you into the shiniest piece of glass they can.

Anyway, back to the article.

The author is trying to say that the Malaysian System is totally flawed because they don't appreciate their smart students. That is the main idea. He is trying to say that we should take full advantage of these overseas graduates and not make them dissatisfied and bring their capabilities elsewhere.

He is also trying to say (Though not outright (all induction btw)) that Malaysia should bring up the standard of the local universities, make the grads think, and not just spout second hand.

And, he is trying to say (Though not outright) that the Malaysian system is stupid, and we should not be so baby-ish and protect our local graduates and be so childish about recognizing degrees from certain top universities (just because they don't recognize ours).

Well, just my two cents...and I think there is more to this article than meets the eye.

^^ Doesn't mean we shouldn't go to prestigious universities, just means it isn't worth it to go to such universities when our country doesn't appreciate them.

Always, still...Malaysia will boleh...hopefully soon. It's in our hands.

youngyew
14-12-2007, 11:52 PM
I agree with what you listed above, Tezuka87. However, I maintain that the title has been absolutely out-of-place, and the title didn't even qualify as a sarcastic overtone to his points.

It would have been much more accurate if the article was titled "There's no compelling reason for anyone to study at prestigious universities if he is naive enough to think that when he comes back to serve in a government agency he would be instantly be two ranks above others in careers ladder and be fully utilized by the badly flawed system".

This is entirely different from "NO COMPELLING REASON FOR ANYONE TO STUDY AT THE PRESTIGIOUS UNIVERSITY". Some people aspire to study in prestigious universities so that they could find success else where in the world where their talents are more appreciated.

Anyway, about under-recognition of prestigious university graduates, is it really that bad? I know it's relatively true in government agencies, but I thought it doesn't really happen in private companies.

tezuka87
20-12-2007, 03:21 PM
Well, if you are on a government scholarship, you will be forced to work in some backwater place for a time...especially if you are not bumi (hehehe)...

There are some advantages to that, of course...seeing that you have good contacts within the government, private companies would be dying to hire you, what with all your work experience.

Well, government agencies lose out, then.

The article isn't exactly a good one, and the points are all over the place...but there are some points...

Xon
20-12-2007, 03:49 PM
first,the article is confusing and LONG. (@<hidden>@<hidden>)

Erm,"ding-dong-bell universities",i think the author trying to gain attetion lar.

IMHO,people graduated from well-known universities well be look-up alot...people tend to do this...if someone graduated from a small university,people are wondering do that person really values the degrees or so on.

Lastly,i think,malaysian should read more. this helps~