Form 6? A Good Choice?

[Gemini]

I'm a new to recom.org I have finished my SPM in 2007. I'm currently wating for the release of my result.
My friends advised me not to enter form 6. They said form 6 syllabus is so wide, in-depth and difficult.
I need advice from you all.
My ambition is to be a lawyer. I'm myself a Science stream student. Would you all kindly advice me to take art or science subjects? Do you all think that science subjects will help a lot when I take law as my future undergraduate's study?
Yeah, I think science subjects involve more brainstorming and critical thinking skills. However, many would opt for Art stream to enter public uni's law faculty. Personally, I hate history very much. Is it that people who hate history will not do well in Art's subjects ?
I'm in a dilemma. Is it a true fact that public uni's like UM will prefer to accept students from art stream than science stream students? Is form 6 a good choice compared to A-level? What's the difference? I need help! :D

[ice111]

hey dude!!!
u say u want to be lawyer , and u hate history what an ironic here!!,to be accepted in public uni for law , it is a requirement for u to have history , if u take science stream in stpm there is no chance for u to study law in public uni unless u are rich enough to opt for private uni
u are in dilemma , don't know whether form 6 or coleege?
my question is , if ur family can afford to spend about 300k or more for an oversea law program then my advise to u is go to college instead of form 6 , my friend doing law programme now in private college ( KBU )
yes form 6 is tough and is a big different from ur previous syllabus , form 6 questions is so interesting that it requires u to think means , u have to apply the concept u have learnt , means form 6 don;t favour nerd!!! u have to be critical and sharp that is the life of form 6 however form 6 gives u the experience u will never learn it in ur life time , it is fun to do form 6 but in the meantime it is hell for u too...
so u should really consider ur financial support and decide which 1 to opt!

[Gemini]

hey dude!!!
u say u want to be lawyer , and u hate history what an ironic here!!,to be accepted in public uni for law , it is a requirement for u to have history , if u take science stream in stpm there is no chance for u to study law in public uni unless u are rich enough to opt for private uni
u are in dilemma , don't know whether form 6 or coleege?
my question is , if ur family can afford to spend about 300k or more for an oversea law program then my advise to u is go to college instead of form 6 , my friend doing law programme now in private college ( KBU )
yes form 6 is tough and is a big different from ur previous syllabus , form 6 questions is so interesting that it requires u to think means , u have to apply the concept u have learnt , means form 6 don;t favour nerd!!! u have to be critical and sharp that is the life of form 6 however form 6 gives u the experience u will never learn it in ur life time , it is fun to do form 6 but in the meantime it is hell for u too...
so u should really consider ur financial support and decide which 1 to opt!

Yes. Thanks for your advice. I should review it again whether I'm right in the pathway to become a lawyer. Yes, I love debates and that makes me think that I'm suitable to be a lawyer. I never realise that history is a 'must-be-taken' subject to enter local Uni. Yeah, I started to hate history when my history grades dropped tremendously in form 4. No matter how I changed my style of learning history, my history in form 4 and 5 turned out to be a C, around 60 marks. Before that, I didn't hate tis subject at all. Its juz that my grades make me feel dissappointed! Anyway, thanks ya.

[Miracle_seed]

I don't think Form 6 science students will be able to enter Law in public universities, but there are many cases where matriculation science students entered Law in local universities....

[Leen]

I'm not sure about the protocol of entering public uni but I will advise you to try to not take Form 6. The syllabus is too hard (for me at least) and I don't see the point of taking MUET that is not recognized anywhere but Malaysia.

If you have the financial means, try to do a twinning program somewhere.

It's not that I have no faith in public uni, but right now Form 6 can be a really hard life for those who are not as prepared as others to take up the challenge.

If you however feel that you can ace Form 6, by all means, take it.

[jiinjoo]

u say u want to be lawyer, and u hate history what an ironic here!!
Maybe he likes cyber law :-) of which the "history" is pretty short and most of the cases happen only in the past 2 decades.

I read in another thread that there'll be a talk in damansara utama? Maybe go attend?
http://www.recom.org/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=6777

[Appolo]

I'm not sure about the protocol of entering public uni but I will advise you to try to not take Form 6. The syllabus is too hard (for me at least) and I don't see the point of taking MUET that is not recognized anywhere but Malaysia.

If you have the financial means, try to do a twinning program somewhere.

It's not that I have no faith in public uni, but right now Form 6 can be a really hard life for those who are not as prepared as others to take up the challenge.

If you however feel that you can ace Form 6, by all means, take it.

Lenn, I kinda agree partially on the statement that you have made above.

No doubt that STPM is definitely a no-no for students who are not up to the challenge.However, I would say that you would improve a lot after taking the "road not taken".Not only that foreign universities look highly upon the standards of our STPM, it also serve as a yardstick for you to gauge yourself whether you are competent for serious academic studies that will be the first thing that you are going to worry about if you are trying to take up heavy courses such as Medic and Law that requires a lot of academic perseverance to do well.

Then again, it's your call.If your family can afford a private education for you and you believe that you would fare better in preparatory programs such as A-Level, Ausmat,SAM,ADP, by all means follow your gut.

Gemini, you are going through the same stage that majority students(young or old are making.You mentioned that you enjoy debating and the experiences that you have gained actually provides you with the confidence to pursue an education in law.However, enjoying something or having a knack at something doesn't necessarily ensures your excellence in the career path you have chosen.Time change and people do change.I had friends who gave me the same reasoning as you and wanted to be lawyers one day.However, almost half of them abandon the thought of going into the field after gaining exposures from their college, education fairs, magazines,books or even conversations with an acquaintance.My concern is that you might not be considering other options that are available for your tertiary courses.You can take up plenty of majors when you have accessed to sufficient amount of information to make your research better.

After all, if you hated the course you have taken in the near future, your only way might be to walk away from it or to just unwillingly love it!

[jayden]

You can check this link. Go through all the public universities in the list and see what subjects they require for their law program

http://apps.emoe.gov.my/ipt_STPM/

If you think you can work hard, plan your time well and sacrifice certain 'unimportant' stuff, I believe that form 6 is a good choice. It is much cheaper than A-levels and you have the choice of going to both public and private universities.

Why don't you go to the bookshop and go through the textbooks there to familiarise yourself with what you would be studying if enter form 6. In Sejarah, you will have 3 textbooks. Both Sejarah Kertas 1 and 2 contain only essay questions and no objective questions.

I myself am from the science stream in form 6 and I'm currently waiting for my results. Law is also in my list as a career prospect.

If you are extremely sure that law is what you want to do why don't you go straight into a pre-law foundation program? In Malaysia, the private colleges/unis that are famous for law are ATC and Brickfields. HELP uni and Taylor's offer twinning programs.

All the best :D

[yeng]

IMO, money comes 1st.

consider u decided 2 choose A-level, but u cannot afford the fees, your choice=didn't make a choice.

if u gt everything in yr hands, juz go 4 it. no need 2 bother.

[Leen]

Money doesn't come first. Education comes first.

If money comes first, everyone will just settle in some universiti kayu balak since it will be cheap. However, people send their children to best education both locally and overseas.

If you have the means, try and look for the best education that you can get. If money is the issue, try to search for scholarships until you don't have any other choice. Then you can settle for Form 6.

With a quality education, you stand a good chance to reciprocate back all the money lost during your education period. So I will definitely say education first before money. Even if that means you should take a loan.

[Appolo]

Money doesn't come first. Education comes first.

If money comes first, everyone will just settle in some universiti kayu balak since it will be cheap. However, people send their children to best education both locally and overseas.

If you have the means, try and look for the best education that you can get. If money is the issue, try to search for scholarships until you don't have any other choice. Then you can settle for Form 6.

With a quality education, you stand a good chance to reciprocate back all the money lost during your education period. So I will definitely say education first before money. Even if that means you should take a loan.

Not entirely true.I believe that money and education are inseparable elements that would always compliments one another.You can't have one without the other.No doubt that you value education higher compared to the presence of money(like all of us do), it has always been a sad fact that not many people are willing to admit that there are times when money is the issue in pursuing an education be it locally or going abroad.

That's why we have a lot of universities(be it local university or branch campus) offering undergrad and post-grad studies under the slogan:
"we offer you the best overseas education at the comforts of your own home and at a fraction of the price!"

Therefore, I'd say that money and education are inseparable and is co-dominant!

[Al-Bert]

Still, i have to agree with Leen that education comes first... money is on second thought!

Did you ever notice that people normally compare between the education institutions based on their quality of teaching, but seldom on the cost of the tuition fee?

People are so obsessed with the quality of education... That's why most of the evaluations of education institutes ( example: Times Higher Education Ranking ) never consider tuition fee as one of the criterias....

[vseehua]

The WILL comes first.

If you don't have the will to study, no quality or money will bring anything to you.

[starlemon]

I don't think Form 6 science students will be able to enter Law in public universities, but there are many cases where matriculation science students entered Law in local universities....

Where u get this news from?
What an unfair cases.. :x Matriculations student should be on par with form 6 students.

[vseehua]

I don't think Form 6 science students will be able to enter Law in public universities, but there are many cases where matriculation science students entered Law in local universities....

Where u get this news from?
What an unfair cases.. :x Matriculations student should be on par with form 6 students.It have been that way for a long time already. Although the syllabus of the Matriculation is known to be way inferior to those of the STPM, favoritism have always favoured Matriculation students when it comes to student intake for malaysian public universities.

[exec]

If you're doubtful whether Malaysian public universities accept an STPM science stream student for law programme, then I would say that the universities throughout the world would accept you, should you have the results they want.

[sleepzz44]

i totally agree with that form 6 is a good choice.

form 6 certificate is more recognize by all University
more scholarships.....
nowaday the fuel prize is rising... if we live away from family need spend a lot of money. you can simply see that the food sell in KL and penang( cha kuew teow RM 5) killing you if you cant afford it!!

so live with parent and continue study form 6 is better choice..^^:laugh

[Gabrielle90]

i totally agree with that form 6 is a good choice.

form 6 certificate is more recognize by all University
more scholarships.....
nowaday the fuel prize is rising... if we live away from family need spend a lot of money. you can simply see that the food sell in KL and penang( cha kuew teow RM 5) killing you if you cant afford it!!

so live with parent and continue study form 6 is better choice..^^:laugh

but the independentility will be lower compared to those who study away from house...

[Leon]

For me I prefer A level coz it is a shorter pre-course mostly 1 year. Form 6 even u cn score 4as in stpm, there is cocuriculum marks which make a huge difference from matric students. Therefore u may not enter the uni u wish to study even ur results are excellent. For engineering course, u need CGPA of 4.00 to study in USM( correct me if I am wrong). However, if u think u are hardworking enough u cn choose to study form 6. I hav 3 frens who are studying A lvl and stpm. In case their A lvl results not good, they sitll hav form 6 as the last route.

Note: A level is also recognised worldwide

[Gabrielle90]

For me I prefer A level coz it is a shorter pre-course mostly 1 year. Form 6 even u cn score 4as in stpm, there is cocuriculum marks which make a huge difference from matric students. Therefore u may not enter the uni u wish to study even ur results are excellent. For engineering course, u need CGPA of 4.00 to study in USM( correct me if I am wrong). However, if u think u are hardworking enough u cn choose to study form 6. I hav 3 frens who are studying A lvl and stpm. In case their A lvl results not good, they sitll hav form 6 as the last route.

Note: A level is also recognised worldwide

i thought the duration for A level is 1 and a half year or 2 years??? how they take both A level and STPM???

[sicknight]

i thought the duration for A level is 1 and a half year or 2 years??? how they take both A level and STPM???

I have a friend who suggested that,study STPM and at the same time take Alevel exam.I dont know how true is this .....anyone think this idea works?

[Xon]

For me I prefer A level coz it is a shorter pre-course mostly 1 year. Form 6 even u cn score 4as in stpm, there is cocuriculum marks which make a huge difference from matric students. Therefore u may not enter the uni u wish to study even ur results are excellent. For engineering course, u need CGPA of 4.00 to study in USM( correct me if I am wrong). However, if u think u are hardworking enough u cn choose to study form 6. I hav 3 frens who are studying A lvl and stpm. In case their A lvl results not good, they sitll hav form 6 as the last route.

Note: A level is also recognised worldwide

hmmm. STPM also recognised worldwide. =)
wow. can study stpm do A level exam? new to me,at least.

[Sillyboy]

I have a friend who suggested that,study STPM and at the same time take Alevel exam.I dont know how true is this .....anyone think this idea works?

Definitely doable, but requires intense work.

[Gabrielle90]

Definitely doable, but requires intense work.

how to do??? take either one on their own??? then how about those practical thingy???

[Sillyboy]

how to do??? take either one on their own??? then how about those practical thingy???

You asked a good question! :D

One can always enroll as a private candidate for the A levels exam. For Edexcel A levels, there are 2 practical papers and candidates are required to do a few experiments on the spot base on the exam questions. If you are an STPM student then it won't be an advantage since you will have done various experiments at school. For the new Edexcel A level, practicals exams are omitted.

Normally, it is the STPM students are the ones who will be doing both the STPM and A level exams.

[Leon]

My bro's fren is the most intelligent student in our school. Eventhough he din get first in whole form 6, he scored 5As( not even an A-) in stpm and A lvl he scored 4As. He is penang stpm top achiever~~~Ng Rui Jie.

i thought the duration for A level is 1 and a half year or 2 years??? how they take both A level and STPM???


Actually they are studying A lvl since January. So October they will tk up A Level exam. Now they are currently taking As exam. If you are smart enough sure u cn study both at the same time. When there is a will, there is a way hehe.

[seiken]

STPM students from science stream CAN STILL APPLY FOR LAW. I have 2 friends from science stream who scored 4.0 in STPM and secured a place in UM to study Law.

Hope this information helps.

[abuzar]

The WILL comes first.

If you don't have the will to study, no quality or money will bring anything to you.

yup.very true:)

[sleepzz44]

For me I prefer A level coz it is a shorter pre-course mostly 1 year. Form 6 even u cn score 4as in stpm, there is cocuriculum marks which make a huge difference from matric students. Therefore u may not enter the uni u wish to study even ur results are excellent. For engineering course, u need CGPA of 4.00 to study in USM( correct me if I am wrong). However, if u think u are hardworking enough u cn choose to study form 6. I hav 3 frens who are studying A lvl and stpm. In case their A lvl results not good, they sitll hav form 6 as the last route.

Note: A level is also recognised worldwide

i agree with that cocuriculum is important...but you know what happen with me?? i became as a president or chairman of chess club(2006) and Pembimbing Rakan Sebaya(2007), Prefect (ajk akademik pengawas 2003- 2007) and AJK PBSM(2007). Lastly what i got for cocuriculum mark was 1 mark for all all post because of technical problem in school management.

when i noticed, was too late to remark...because the marks already submit to KL department.:cry:cry i dare to mention my school name ....S.M.K TAMAN RIA JAYA kedah state.This school spoil my chance to get matrik , IPTA , and other scholarships chances...:mad:mad

I decide to go for IPTS after my form 6. No need cocuriculum marks anymore. So i can concentrate in my studies only~~~~

[sicknight]

i agree with that cocuriculum is important...but you know what happen with me?? i became as a president or chairman of chess club(2006) and Pembimbing Rakan Sebaya(2007), Prefect (ajk akademik pengawas 2003- 2007) and AJK PBSM(2007). Lastly what i got for cocuriculum mark was 1 mark for all all post because of technical problem in school management.

when i noticed, was too late to remark...because the marks already submit to KL department.:cry:cry i dare to mention my school name ....S.M.K TAMAN RIA JAYA kedah state.This school spoil my chance to get matrik , IPTA , and other scholarships chances...:mad:mad

I decide to go for IPTS after my form 6. No need cocuriculum marks anymore. So i can concentrate in my studies only~~~~

oh:oh,what an unfortunate thing to happen!!

[vimal06]

Form 6 is a safe choice for people who are really willing to study not for slackers like me that tend to push off studying to the very very VERY last minute

[Xon]

i agree with that cocuriculum is important...but you know what happen with me?? i became as a president or chairman of chess club(2006) and Pembimbing Rakan Sebaya(2007), Prefect (ajk akademik pengawas 2003- 2007) and AJK PBSM(2007). Lastly what i got for cocuriculum mark was 1 mark for all all post because of technical problem in school management.

when i noticed, was too late to remark...because the marks already submit to KL department.:cry:cry i dare to mention my school name ....S.M.K TAMAN RIA JAYA kedah state.This school spoil my chance to get matrik , IPTA , and other scholarships chances...:mad:mad

I decide to go for IPTS after my form 6. No need cocuriculum marks anymore. So i can concentrate in my studies only~~~~

i kinda in the same boat as you when i was in form 5. i think the coco mark system is somehow inorganised.

sleeeppzzz,you in which package? phy or bio? or art?

[Caprio]

Don't worry too much on the co-cu stuff. What matters more is to focus on your study.

The easiest way to collect you co-cu mark is to participate in Olympiad Physics or those national or international status competition. At least you will get the participation mark.

[sleepzz44]

i kinda in the same boat as you when i was in form 5. i think the coco mark system is somehow inorganised.

sleeeppzzz,you in which package? phy or bio? or art?

i in physics package.....:laugh

i still got 1 question...is that the cocuriculum marks in SPM can be use in STPM also??? or we need to participate again in form 6 cocuriculum..:cry

[sleepzz44]

in my school, we had to participate all over again. Only Form6 activities can be counted. But I saw some people who managed to pull strings and got their Form5 activities in. I guess it depends on how strict your teachers are

oh no!!!!!.... that mean i need to participate again ..if i want to enter IPTA after form 6.? haizzz :cry
Or i aim for IPTS ( taylor, monash,inti.....):)