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[aquila]

Look at the statistics of students studying abroad and foreign students in msia... kinda ironic how so many of us aspire to "study abroad" and others are streaming in... students from china 11000 that's a lot!

i think msian higher edu should have a major overhaul... increase quality

[topdog]

i think msian higher edu should have a major overhaul... increase quality
i think everyone knows that...it's a question of whether or not the powers-that-be are willing to set aside politics and risk the inevitable backlash, even loss of support, from certain segments of our society.

[Thirdshifter]

I think some schools like lim kok weng College, MMU and all those other new private schools in Malaysia attracts a lot of students from abroad.

I know a canadian student who's in MMU right now. I met few bangladeshi and ceylonese in MMU as well.

[gesar]

True very true that we are actually streaming out to other countries while international students coming into Malaysia to study..weird?! hmmm, anyway, I think its mainly the private colleges that are attracting all these international students...hmm, seems like our country's education is improving in the eyes of other countries...

[topdog]

there are many ways to look at it.

utp has quite a number of intl students from the middle east, uzbekistan, s. africa, vietnam. petronas sponsors them to come over here. part of their "service to local community" requirement in oil countries they have a stake in, i guess.

i think many students (like the ones from china) are attracted to the twinning programs offered by private colleges. who wouldn't want a degree with a British/Australian name on it but without the British/Australian price tag? of course, some unfortunate souls do get scammed by fly by night enterprises.

i think more students from muslim countries like pakistan are opting to further their studies in malaysia because malaysia is a muslim country. maybe they feel countries in the west (particularly the states) don't welcome them anymore. perhaps they think of malaysia as modern and progressive (which i think we certainly are, in comparison to the middle east). and inexpensive.

[orestes]

1. quality education
2. good food
3. warm people
4. tolerable weather

the question is not "why malaysia?", its "why not?"

but then again, it has always been my dream to study abroad so...
apa apalar...

[ElansarGelmir]

1. quality education
2. good food
3. warm people
4. tolerable weather

the question is not "why malaysia?", its "why not?"

but then again, it has always been my dream to study abroad so...
apa apalar...

Perhaps it's our culture... The reason i want to study abroad is to maximize my exposure other cultures... Haha, but my main reason iis to see snow...

[USSDefiantNX74205]

put it this way:

a Malaysian degree in not so developed countries like Pakistan and China would make the employers there go "wow!"

similarly, a degree from the US or UK would make employers in 'developing' Malaysia go "wow!", considering the sorry state of Malaysian public universities.

[ElansarGelmir]

a Malaysian degree in not so developed countries like Pakistan and China would make the employers there go "wow!"

Pakistan, i agree, but China? Hmm..... Most China scholars are much smarter than Malaysians, I would dare to say so...

[pandaboy]

put it this way:

a Malaysian degree in not so developed countries like Pakistan and China would make the employers there go "wow!"

similarly, a degree from the US or UK would make employers in 'developing' Malaysia go "wow!", considering the sorry state of Malaysian public universities.

pakistan and china are not so developed countries? pakistan can produce nuclear bombs rite? and china....less developed? Which part of china u r using as a comparison to malaysia? Try comparing shanghai...

[Ic3b3rg]

I think that encouraging international students to study in Malaysia is good, but it doesn't mean that we should restrict sending students overseas. There should be cross-border exchange in tertiary education... to transfer knowledge as well as learning culture. Perhaps most foreign students are here in Malaysia to attend the private unis, so the public universities should work harder to attract foreign students.

They should not blame local students or force local students to study locally. Sometimes it is the taste of adventure or the cultural "seasoning" which attracts students abroad.. For example there are so many US students who want to go on transfer program to China or other countries to experience the culture there... some opt for universities in other states just because they want to live in another part of the country (US is very big)

[USSDefiantNX74205]

pakistan and china are not so developed countries? pakistan can produce nuclear bombs rite? and china....less developed? Which part of china u r using as a comparison to malaysia? Try comparing shanghai...

The only reason Malaysia doesn't possess nuclear weapons is because of our strict anti-nuclear policy and the fact that we don't have a nuclear capable, hostile neighbour to compete with. The government doesn't want nuclear powerplants, they don't want nuclear powered warships and they don't want nuclear bombs. If you are arguing whether or not we are capable of creating nuclear weapons, I'd have to say yes, we are indeed capable. We have enough physicists and engineers nationwide to create a whole lot of nuclear bombs. We just don't have the equipment, a policy and a reason allowing them to do so.

As for China, ok. Maybe I was wrong in saying they are less developed. But then again, why would parents over there spend lots of cash sending their children here to study when they are indeed so 'developed'? Shanghai may be developed, but when we compare development, we usually look at the whole country. Would you dare say the whole of China is more developed than the whole of Malaysia?

[ElansarGelmir]

As for China, ok. Maybe I was wrong in saying they are less developed. But then again, why would parents over there spend lots of cash sending their children here to study when they are indeed so 'developed'? Shanghai may be developed, but when we compare development, we usually look at the whole country. Would you dare say the whole of China is more developed than the whole of Malaysia?

Well, I am confident to say that. In fact, China's industries has burgeoned over time and brings competition to that of the US's. Perhaps you haven't gone to China and see how developed she is. Even Shanghai is one of the metropolice of the world... Compared to KL? There's still a long way to go... And yeah, albeit the highly developed state of Shanghai, there are other rural areas in China which is LOD (lack of developement). However, there are places in Malaysia which is more ULU... Think of it . . . The inner land of the peninsula and Sabah and Sarawak... It's so full of forests... And what about squatters?

Hmm... I dunno there are China students in Malaysia... Where do you see them? Well, even if they are here, i believe the percentage of them here is rather negligible compared to other foreign countries... Maybe they are here for student exchange program? Or they want to go to other parts of the world instead of cloistering themselves in China?

[topdog]

The inner land of the peninsula and Sabah and Sarawak... It's so full of forests...
And what the hell is wrong with that?! should we plunder our forests and replace the whole area with factories?

And what about squatters?
there are squatter areas in every country. unless you are talking about welfare states like australia and most of western europe. i can't believe you are talking about squatters, as if china has none of that!


Hmm... I dunno there are China students in Malaysia... Where do you see them? Well, even if they are here, i believe the percentage of them here is rather negligible compared to other foreign countries... Maybe they are here for student exchange program? Or they want to go to other parts of the world instead of cloistering themselves in China?
assumptions based on anecdotal evidence....in this case you don't even have anecdotal evidence because you haven't seen chinese nationals studying in malaysia. pay a visit to inti nilai, i guarantee you that you'll find many china nationals there. my friend studied there, so i know.

to me, china right now is nothing more than a poor man's malaysia. cheap labor to meet the developed west's needs. shanghai may be super high tech, but there is SO much more to china than merely shanghai. i don't know how they are handling higher education, so i can't comment on that.

[ElansarGelmir]

The inner land of the peninsula and Sabah and Sarawak... It's so full of forests...
And what the hell is wrong with that?! should we plunder our forests and replace the whole area with factories?



Yeah, nothing's wrong with that... it's just that we could have open burning and forest fire anytime . . . If Malaysia's really more developed, I'm sure there are more safety measures taken to ensure these do not happen, rite? And i believe the reason they are there because it is hard to develope there!

assumptions based on anecdotal evidence....in this case you don't even have anecdotal evidence because you haven't seen chinese nationals studying in malaysia. pay a visit to inti nilai, i guarantee you that you'll find many china nationals there. my friend studied there, so i know.

Uhmm... Only Inti Nilai?


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And what about squatters?

there are squatter areas in every country. unless you are talking about welfare states like australia and most of western europe. i can't believe you are talking about squatters, as if china has none of that!

Yeah, wrong point to bring out... Coz i happened to saw some Malaysia squatters in the TV when i was typing the message . . .

[topdog]

jesus, now you are talking about open burning and forest fires. what is your point? i was talking about conserving our forests.

Uhmm... Only Inti Nilai?
obviously you didn't even bother to look at the website that's the whole point of this thread. here i'll make things simpler for you:

http://www.mietex.com/Statistics.asp

China students: 11,000 out of roughly 16,000.

[USSDefiantNX74205]

Uhmm... Only Inti Nilai?

actually, theres quite some in mmu and other private colleges too. the numbers topdog gave speak for themselves.

the point is, China may not be as developed as you think. they may have their own space program or a nice city called Shanghai with many, many tall skyscrapers, but does that alone show that China is developed or more developed than Malaysia? there are villages and communities of farmers suffering every year while the more economically well off east coast continue to flourish. these people even resort to the illegal sale of their own blood and organs just to supplement their income...just so they can keep their mud and brick houses up for another year. to these people, the situation in Malaysia must be heaven to them. besides, China is a communist country, remember, and would never risk showing the world the dire economic situation of the rural western provinces.

i may be wrong, but the situation among the lower income group here (farmers, etc.) looks far more rosy than the one in the 'real' China. if anyone wants to compare 'ulu-ness', i'd welcome them to do so. even our friendly orang asli and estate workers now have astro (i've been there and seen those astro dishes on their roofs. oh, and did i mention there were arsenal fans too?).

[Ic3b3rg]

IMHO China is a big country with huge natural and human resources. Therefore, they have the human labor to attract foreign investors and thus ensuring the proliferation of industries. On the other hand, because of the large population, competition may be stiff and that is why poverty exists. So, the country may be advanced but it does not ensure a high standard of living for all of its countrymen. Agree?

[ElansarGelmir]

IMHO China is a big country with huge natural and human resources. Therefore, they have the human labor to attract foreign investors and thus ensuring the proliferation of industries. On the other hand, because of the large population, competition may be stiff and that is why poverty exists. So, the country may be advanced but it does not ensure a high standard of living for all of its countrymen. Agree?

Haha, yeah, something like that, but my picture is something more complexed . . . Well topdog, I dunno how to put my points into words (i'm bad at that), so maybe the way i put it is wrong... Hmmm.... I'll try to present my points and arguments in a more organized way ...