project - need your input

[Thirdshifter]

I'm going to Malaysia soon. Hopefully i'll be there in june.

So i'm planning to print thousands of fliers about Malays special rights and going to stick it up all over KL and penang.

I want some help with good one liners.

For an example: Anak Jutawan Melayu dibayar ke luar negara un tuk belajar, yang miskin masih berkebun. Hak Istemewa untuk siapa?

Things like that. I think i'll use about 20-25 good lines.

Please help me.

I would in no way affiliate this thing to recom. As it might jeopordize few individuals that run this site.

[budakkerek]

For an example: Anak Jutawan Melayu dibayar ke luar negara un tuk belajar, yang miskin masih berkebun. Hak Istemewa untuk siapa?


bang, istimewa laa bukan istemewa
hihih

rakyat bayar duit, kunci belum dapat. Menteri dapat jawatan, terus pindah rumah besar.

[misled_youth]

3rdshift:

1. I'll visit you in Kamunting Detention Centre in June.

2. Since the warden would only allow one food type to be brought in, what's your pick? Nasi Goreng, Pasta Bolognese or Sandwiches?

3. May I suggest a few good lawyers for you: R. Sivarasa, Edmund Bon, M Manoharan, P Uthayakumar

4. when the cops nail you for putting up the posters, just quitely go. When they ask if you are aware of the Federal Constituition, plead ignorance. When they bring you to the magistrate court, do the same.

5. and finally, pray for a miracle that your family and friends won't suffer from you being incarcerated.

Cheers!
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[ElansarGelmir]

Yeah, thirdshifter. I appreciate your noble intention and deed, but are you sure that this won't get you into trouble, especially from the ISA?

[Thirdshifter]

nah this won't get anybody into ISA. Please give me a one liner and don't worry about ISA.

ISA wasnt meant to scare people and apparently is works on you guys.

We're creating awareness and i don;t think its a threat to national security.

[Thirdshifter]

OK guys, I was to be sent to jail i would not mention any of you guys so please give some good things to write.
:D

[da-hype]

/me trying to figure out how to remove my nick/name from the list of registered users....

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Schye]

That's the reason why we need anonymous post :)

Especially those who are still 'stick' with government scholarship ... better use IM than post in this open thread even if you have any idea ...

[masterof_none]

I would in no way affiliate this thing to recom. As it might jeopordize few individuals that run this site.

Alright, cool.


For an example: Anak Jutawan Melayu dibayar ke luar negara un tuk belajar, yang miskin masih berkebun. Hak Istemewa untuk siapa?

Things like that. I think i'll use about 20-25 good lines.


Just want to make everyone clear...
Me and other people here won't take any responsibility if anything happen, since this is an open forum. So Third, I respect your intention, but, I would suggest that you can run this project offline.

Also, here's something that you might ponder:

actually, this is just the dilemma of meritrocracy. if you're saying that those sons of farmers still farming at home, I wouldn't be surprised.

because I know govt. are trying very hard to get them to the next stage, that is, to educate them. Most of them are struggling in their studies. some of them just become dropout and join the workforce. I have a neighbor who got offer by govt. to further his education to Germany, but his mom advice him to refuse the offer. I don't know what's the reason, but , it may be just too far, and they are worry about their kids. btw, they are farmers.

Even those dropouts or, those getting bad grades, got offered to go to some vocational institutions, e.g , the IKM (institute kemahiran mara), notably in Jasin, Melaka (those from MRSM Jasin , knows where it is). The idea is that, if you can't really study, at least, you can repair stuff. and that's good enough to get them to the next stage.

So, how can govt. send the students far below the level of schools' admission level?. Although they can sponsor it, it maybe not a good investment. After all, they might waste money overseas. So, if the son's of jutawan is more qualified than the son of farmers, wouldn't meritrocracy rules?.

That, what I think, is still controversial. Because, govt paying too much attention to the Malays. But if the Malays still think that it's not enough, and still demand more.. I have no idea what can I say.

That's the reason, until now, I still believe in my prof.'s definition of democracy, and that is:

"to strike a balance between public accountablilty, and to serve the interest of minority. "



I think the best thing here to suggest, how can we improve the level of education in the rural area, so that , people in the rural area can compete with people in the cities.
For example, maybe working with all PIBG's (persatuan ibu bapa dan guru), to get more funds from govt. To reduce the red tapes, so that those funds doesn't get channeled to politicians (like Adun), etc, who might have different motives.
Or, provide basic transportation, to the people who have to travel so far to go to school (like some rural areas in those in sabah and sarawak's ).
So, I think, these kinds of campaign have more effect towards improving education of students in the rural area.

Bluntly accusing the govt for not properly appropriating the money towards rakyat's education, I think, requires more research.
But it's up to you. It's your project after all.

and like you said, this is not a Recom-affiliated project, and has no affilation with other Recom member.

[Thirdshifter]

master of none,

Thanks for the concern. My goal is to make people realize that not all Malays favour the special rights and many want it to go away. I hope you and many other recomers share the same sentiment.

Also whatever the reason it might be, The special right is fundementally wrong. If you believe in Equal rights and oppurtunity for all Malaysians i ask you to tell me how can we create awareness.

It only takes one Millionaires kids to get funded to study to make it wrong. Numbers don't mean anything. The Special right is a discrimination against the minority. I can't rationalize this rights and it needs to go as soon as possible.

I'm not going to sit in front of the computer everyday ranting about it. I'm going out and will try to make the change.

If there's nobody to fight the discrimination it'll be there forever. I believe the good people here realize this and would come together and take actions.

I hope the discriminated would also stand up and make noise.

Also, I don't get anything for doing this. I'm not even affiliated to any political parties in Malaysia. It's not even an attack on the goverment. It's the constitution i'm attacking.

Life's like eating red hot chili peppers, What you eat today is gonna burn your ass tommorow.

So who want's to contribute some good lines and prefer to be anonymous please Private Message me.

[budakkerek]

i think Third has reached Kohlberg's 3rd level of moral reasoning, you're in the sixth stage. where you're willing to go thru anything as long as you get your msg across. I'm proud of you, brutherr...

this is not berkaitan the topic, just that i wanna say sthing okie :wink:

[Randomphantom]

Taboo topic. My .000000002 cents.

People need to realise that even some Malays oppose these special rights.

[CyberJaya]

I think you're jepordizing your future.

[Thirdshifter]

I think you're jepordizing your future.

Actually i'm trying not to jepordize the non-Bumiputeras Future.

As a Bumiputera, yeah it is jeorpardizing. My future bumiputeras children might not benefit from the special rights many of us here are getting. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

It is sad knowing there's a lot of Malays out there that somehow think their future is guaranteed because of this right. Whats even more sad is these people are in Universities. Some think it'll help them in the future. I wish i can bitch slap each and everyone of them.

[misled_youth]

I think you're jepordizing your future.As a Bumiputera, yeah it is jeorpardizing.

Hmm... you know... your brethens are going to lable you "pengkhianat bangsa", "kroni cina", "Komunis" etc.

I salute your balls... I mean I salute you for having balls.

Economic theory suggest free market competition would be best for an economy. What Paul Krugman et al don't understand is racial sentiments, insecurity and Malaysian mentality.

May god bless you in your quest <-- Guess which movie this quote is from!

As for suggestions, I would suggest you omit these lines in your flyer:

1. Why don't we give special rights to underpriviledged Indians, Chinese, Orang Asli etc.

2. Why don't we open MARA to all students

3. Why don't we have an open tender system, since bumiputera contractors are going to sub-con them to Chinese contractors anyway?

Please... for the love of God... please don't include those. No point having balls if someone is going to slit your throat with a well sharpened keris.

"Salah siapa... sendiri tanya

Salah mereka... atau kau saja

ooo woah oh ohh..." - KRU
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[ElansarGelmir]

Uhmm... If you want to send a (logic but unacceptable by the present society) message across the nation, you will need strong supporters. Nabi Muhammad had his family and friends' 100% support. That really made it successful. You should too.

However, you need to be aware that our politics is really filthy. At any one time, they could cook up stories about you (before you even realize it, you are accused of having gay sex with a 6 year old boy, have 3 witness(whom you've never known in your life) to testify against you, charged for this and that, like what they did to Anwar). Do think twice, ok?

[retroque]

heloo there.

1. For starters, I just wanna say i respect and appreciate third's feeling towards the abuse of Malay?s special right and how he tend to act upon it. Not many of us would dare do the same.

2. A few questions .do u have evidences such as names, statistics ,etc2?although everybody knows that there exist people who take advantages of this special rights to benefit themselves, I don't see just by posting flyers of accusation would work. you better do some homework first. At least when somehow n suddenly someone asks ?what proofs u have to back your statement?? you?ll be ready. Otherwise you?ll just be a laughing stock.


3. what?s your goal? to increase the public awareness concerning their rights? to raise anger among the poorer classes so that they can overturn the gov in the next election? How far r u willing to go?

4.Don?t get me wrong here.I?m not underestimating you　nor am I being pessimistic. It?s just that I can?t help myself but to see your plans as the reaction of an angry youth towards the injustice that occurs. Sorry to say but IMHO your plans look a bit childish in nature, only desires fast results and non effective in long term speaking.

?I sense much fear in you?

?Fear is the path of the darkside.Fear leads to anger.Anger leads to hatred. Hatred leads to sufferings.?
(haha?I feel like master yoda)

5.Personally I think that there are many other professional ways to express dissatisfaction than posting anonymously .You have talents n brains, use it well..

6.Then again, it?s your choice whether to heed my advice or not ..Hehe., but I doubt that you would because it seems to me that you?ve already made up your mind.

Best wishes ,and best of luck. And uh?may the force be with you!!

[jiinjoo]

yeah go third - just make sure you put it up on allowed places e.g. public notice boards and not litter everywhere.

to the rest - i don't see how different what third intend to do is as compared to, say, writing these in a personal blog, and link it up with a multitude of other blog-ring of sorts, or even do advertising all around the internet. problem is it doesn't reach out to the disconnected, which is where the awareness needs to be spread.

raising awareness is crucial to bringing m'sia to the next level - a country cannot progress if only the rich and fortunate people like most of us who at least have an internet connection gets to have perspectives. if our political parties and ngos can disseminate pamphlets to homes explaining what they do and what stand they take, why can't individuals do that? speaking up is not a priviledge of the organized, but a basic right of the individual.

if you think third might get into trouble, help him find what we like to call "politically correct" statements. challenge yourself to find something that will not offend anyone, but creates an impact on the readers.

if you can't write - try drawing maybe? i get lots of inspiration about current issues through comics myself.

really want to help, but everything i say is probably gonna be not catchy (i'm a very verbose story, as some of you already realized...)

oh yah, third you want to send e-mail to bakri musa - he definitely 100 percent guarantee times 2 to the power of 5 including 10 year warranty got something in mind that he would like to say about bumi free lunches in m'sia.

[chenchow]

Thanks Jiin Joo about mentioning Bakri Musa. I did a google search and I found this article. Although I can't say I agree to all of his opinion, this article will open our minds in reflecting on various issues.

http://nizamzakaria.diaryland.com/bakri.html

[ElansarGelmir]

Is that a translated article? The BM written sounds awkward to me...

[jiinjoo]

She's a Singaporean Malay. The grammar there slightly different (those doing BM as mother tongue in JCs can testify to that).

No one completely agrees with Bakri, that's why he stands out - it's like you want to say, yes it's the right direction, but then you say, no that's too much, no that's not true... (he makes claims that are outdated too, probably due to emotional jetlag) Maybe he's trying to stretch the net further away so that most people can fall into a middle that's further away from the current entrenched system?

One thing he tries very hard to do having situated here in the Bay Area is that he constantly tries to re-educate himself about Malaysia so that his writings are relevant. I remember he came with a big stack of survey when we invited him to speak over MF and asked everyone to take the survey on their education experience. I asked if it was biased (since we're mostly "lucky people" who "trashed the system hands down" and "got the opportunity to go overseas") but I can't remember his answer argh.. some similar rhetoric like you went through the system so you know best regardless of whether you overcome it or not...

[aquila]

I find it a bit of an irony for him to want to have an influence on Malaysian politics while staying overseas. The govt treasures Bangladeshi doctors more than Malay ones? That is so untrue.

I think we need progressive Malays like him to be in the country and make their views known within the country. Being away from Malaysia will not help him convince other Malays who may think that he has been brainwashed by those "darn Americans."

One thing he said that I feel is very true is that our govt is increasingly xenophobic and scared of Western influences. Once, one of our ministers said that Western culture is "decadent". Who are you to judge, I must ask?

[topdog]

One thing he said that I feel is very true is that our govt is increasingly xenophobic and scared of Western influences.
bah, they're just being protective of the rakyat jelata, especially the youth. god forbid that the rakyat discover accountability, transparency, rule of law, separation of church and state, democracy, civil rights and other decadent western concepts.

some of the bigshots are definitely comfortable enough with the west to own holiday homes there.

[morpheous]

noble quest indeed, thirdshifter, and a perilous one too...
recall my history lessons..some similarities with what dr.sun yat sen did to china.dr.sun, a western-educated doctor.he founded a revolutionary movement that eventually toppled the corrupt manchu imperial government.

so,third ,are u "The One"?morpheous seeking "The One"?assuming the author of the article "why mahathir failed to change the malays" is The Oracle.
at the end of the article,the author put in some prophetic sentences.
ha.. ha... :lol: bet there r many candidates for "The One".A bumi student from MMU? khairul the malay medic student?anyway, a bold tiny step u r taking...i salute you.

morpheuos has not many one liners for u. just encourage u to share these following messages with your fellow msians that u r going to encounter...

the first two laws/premises about political power, the wheel of socio-economic change, I-ching Revolution hexagram's message, five elements productive cycle and i believe u have already read the article "why mahathir failed to change the malays?well..u can discuss and spread awareness about the valid points u agreed in the article.


the outcome of your mission?well..the last sentence of I-ching revolution hexagram message shall provide you the hints.
good luck!!

[budakkerek]

BTN made me realise that, we still hv a big gap btw the races of Msia..

[ElansarGelmir]

BTN made me realise that, we still hv a big gap btw the races of Msia..

you mean you just realized that?

[budakkerek]

not really JUST realized. It's just that i know such thing exists, but not how bad it actually is.

But when i went for BTN, they showed the statistics etc, and talked bout it, rubbing in the fact that malays got the special right thingy bla..bla..bla..so, like..God..i felt so bad...i mean, such thing is happening in our country and the gov seems to be supporting n letting it happen. i cant imagine its effects on Malaysia in the future. but i knw, it's not gonna be good..unless we take the necessary measures..

The i-love-you-you-love-me-we-are-all-Malaysians spirit is SO not gonna happen if this keeps on going.

[ElansarGelmir]

what should we expect from BTN?

[budakkerek]

i dunno, probably sthing that focuses more on the strengths and not the differences we hv between us fellow Msians. To me, BTN should be where we create more awareness in Msians. Make it sthing that's not biased. dont focus on the "who's leading, who's behind" but focus on what we've done together as Msians. dunno bout you, but BTN dont cahnage much in me. they focus too much on the differences, and they're biased DUH! could be done better..

[misled_youth]

It'll be great if Kerrek can start a thread where ex-BTN participants can share their views about the programme.

I heard stories from participants who said they were instilled with racist ideology. He said he hated the Chinese for "merompak ekonomi melayu", and was thought the virtues of "ketaunan melayu" (Malay supremacy). Ironically enough, he is not Malay. Just indigenous and half Chinese from Sabah.

So, I'm sure fellow ReCommers would appreciate you and others sharing some light about the issue.

Cheers!
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[iQing]

Project? I have seen many project threads and suggestion but I have seen any project going on except remag and writing articles... can u name me a few more ReCom projects?

is it possible that we do a project where outsides like people in malaysia can get involve?

I know Terato net has done this successfully and it would be meaningful if ReCom can interact with people from malaysia...

[jiinjoo]

erm... admittedly the title isn't that descriptive, but this project isn't about recom projects. start from the beginning and you'll see what third is trying to so say...