Malaysia's 4th Prime Minister - Tun Dr. Mahathir

[chenchow]

Since Dr. Mahathir has retired for almost 7 months already, perhaps we can objectively think about what Dr. Mahathir has done for Malaysia. How is the impact? What policies that he has done is good? is bad? Why? Why is a very important word here and how he could have done better?

This is not a thread for mere praising or bashing of Dr. Mahathir, but it is more of a learning experience. We learn from his success and mistake and utilize it to develop our country.

I found this article, written by an investor in Malaysiakini, which could be something that we can chew in, agree or disagree with him. http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/200405280037004.php

[iQing]

Here?s a view from a pakistan friend:

Pakistan has fertile land, good weather and various conditions for Agricultur. Besides, after the british leave thier country, they provide pakistan a good watering system. logically Pakistan should have no problem in Agricultural field...

but the country?s poverty is high and nowadays the agricultur productivity is so low despite the rich fertile land they have...

the main factor of such problem is that Pakistan lacks good government (thier government isn?t as stable as ours)

Dr Mahathir is well praised in Pakistan for what he has done in malaysia...
and they believe that thier country needs a good leadership to make Pakistan prosperous...

this is just a view of mahathir from a country afar....

[Diesel]

i dont respect him as an Islamic leader. i really dont.

[misled_youth]

While I would love to bash Dr M upside down, I don't think this is the place to be overtly blunt.

Personally, misled_youth has never liked Mahathir. However, he has always admire what not Mahathir had done for Malaysia, but how he done it.

He was above the law. Heck... he WAS the LAW.

He could convince us that his era was the era of "Bersih Cekap Amanah". He punch-carded to work.

He created UMNO Baru in 1987.

He crushed Ku Li and backstabbed Musa Hitam.

He convince Malaysians to be proud of Proton, KLCC, some dude who swam the English Channel, MSC, Vision2020, Putrajaya etc. and other lavish projects.

He's term as PM saw 4 changes of US presidents. (starting with J Carter)

He hugged Fidel Castro.

He's cronies are mainly non-bumi's.

He's wife has a wig.

He personally investigated Anwar's drivers claims about being sodomised.

He has dissed 3 Australian PM's during his tenure.

Last but not least, who can forget that "Jews Rule the World by Proxy" quote?

With this incredible list of achievements, which one has to think how the heck does he do it, how can one not be impressed with Dr M?

Dr M... I salute you. But I hope you would really retire. We (or at least misled_youth) don't want you anymore.
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[__earth]

Though I don't really like his human rights record, I think he has two great achievements:

First, he oversaw Malaysia's industrialization. 7% growth for almost 20 years is not an easy acheivement.

Second, he refused IMF's strange economic precription. The funny thing about IMF, it tried to increase interest rate when only a low interest would help us get out of recession. IMF was so weird, even KS Jomo don't like it. It was unfortunate for Anwar to ally with IMF. Of course, this doesn't mean Anwar deserve to be throw to jail.

[iQing]

I think he did?t do much for the environtment in our country...
This is my perception after coming to Germany.. a country which is so obssess with environmental issue....

just look at our rubbish dumping ground...

he could do more to save some rivers in malaysia...

[__earth]

I think he did?t do much for the environtment in our country...
This is my perception after coming to Germany.. a country which is so obssess with environmental issue....

just look at our rubbish dumping ground...

he could do more to save some rivers in malaysia...

i dont think any developing country give a damn for the environment. their minds are too focus on economic development.

[iQing]

at least Pak Lah does something about the recycle bin...
Try harder Pak Lah! have fun

[The_Observer]

I think we should cut him some slack, he did afterall bring Malaysia into a semi 1st world-2nd world status through a series of programmes. Some were beneficial, some were ill-advised and some were outright pathetic...
The IMF decision was probably the best...we managed (barely) to escape the aftermath of that end of century economic debacle.

BUT, nobody is perfect...his inequities are endless...some were illustrated well by our friend here misled_youth. BTW, his political demolition of Anwar Ibrahim (pity that guy) was dam hell of a good case study for political science.
I was probably young and stupid during the 'Reformasi' days, but I am not now!

His retirement came at the right time.
We have now Pak Lah. Good figurehead + friendly to Chinese, we should support him. Najib should be returned to his Defence Minister post. We dun want a Lee Kuan Yew-Lee Hsien Loong scenario in Malaysia!

[misled_youth]

Please don't feel offended by my replies. Just replying for sake of discussion.

he did afterall bring Malaysia into a semi 1st world-2nd world status through a series of programmes.

2nd world fell along with the Berlin Wall.


The IMF decision was probably the best...we managed (barely) to escape the aftermath of that end of century economic debacle.

Highly debatable. Korea and Thailand were shinning examples of IMF magic. Personally, IMF package would suit Malaysia because it would require transparancy from corporations and government - something that Malaysia desperately needs, even to today. However, it's one-size-fits all thing may not suit our needs.


BUT, nobody is perfect...his inequities are endless...some were illustrated well by our friend here misled_youth.

Er... I wish I was more eloquent in my post. Just ramblings at 4am.


I was probably young and stupid during the 'Reformasi' days, but I am not now!

Hmm... why do you say so? Our laws have proven Anwar was a guilty sodomist.


His retirement came at the right time.
We have now Pak Lah. Good figurehead + friendly to Chinese

Figurehead? Hmm... not really. Mahathir is long gone. Malaysia in general don't want him back. e.g. BN spin doctors didn't let Mahathir campaign in East Coast because his style won't go down well with Malays.

Friendly to Chinese? How so? Even so... So what? I rather be plain Malaysian, than be labled a Malaysian Chinese/non-bumi/khafir.

Everytime the average Malaysia sees Dr M, they see - Twin Towers, KLIA, GDP growth of 8% during the early 90's, Putrajaya etc.

What they don't see - the slums around Selangor and KL, the plight of the rural folks, the Straight A non-bumi student who couldn't get into Uni, the cesspool of corruption, the lavish lifestyle of our politicians that rivals that of hollywood superstars, Perdana One, UMNO leaders that threaten to burn down the Selangor Chiense Assembly Hall, Biro Tata Negara etc.

When I think of Dr M, I see what the average Malaysian don't see (hope I don't sound self-righteous). I want Dr M to pay for his crimes. I want all his corrupt cronies burn at the stake. I want Dr M to face the people who's lives have been affected by his actions.

You guys want to let Dr M know how you feel? Visit www.thanksmahathir.com

No surprises which "thank you note" belongs to misled_youth.
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[The_Observer]

Since you asked for it.....

If you said the fall of communism = fall of 2nd world...
I got 2 things for you. For historical preciseness, the fall of the Soviet Union (followed by its Warsaw Pact allies) was precipitated by the rise of the Solidarity movement in Poland and the glasnost + perestroika era of Gorbachev.
Next, you equal the developing world with communist countries? WTH, you are comparing 2 different systems using a specific bias (the capitalist view of things). Fundamental error.
So, I pose the question to you. Is Malaysia a semi-developed, semi-developing country??

Secondly, I prefer not to take up a debt which I can't pay in the short and even the long run. I also dun prefer that we are under the boot of imperialist powers.

Thirdly, I dun know (in fact we don't know) if Anwar is not straight. In fact I don't care. The only attempt at real reforms in our country was shot down (or watered down) in the late 20th century. And that was that.

Next, what I meant as a figurehead is someone who we Malaysians we can rally around. I guessed I used it in a wrong context. My mistake.
And....racial discrimination is here to stay, it will never be gone. Thus, as long as it is still around..I will continue to look out for my kinsmen before my countrymen.

And finally....why the hell do I sound like defending Mahathir. Yuck!

misled_youth....you make a fine socialist activist. Are you already 1? If not, I do suggest that you read Engels and Marx. Then read Guevara's books. (^^)

[Diesel]

misled_youth....you make a fine socialist activist. Are you already 1? If not, I do suggest that you read Engels and Marx. Then read Guevara's books. (^^)

what makes u think he'll make a fine socialist activist? why socialist?

[misled_youth]

misled_youth....you make a fine socialist activist. Are you already 1? If not, I do suggest that you read Engels and Marx. Then read Guevara's books. (^^)

1. Socialism is for fags (no offence).

2. Recommended readings to unlearn what the system has thought us:

- Mikhail Bakunin
- Emma Goldman
- Noam Chomsky
- Naomi Klien
- The Art of Seduction (*snigger)
- Tantric Sex for Dummies (*double snigger)

3. Recommended music to unlearn what the system has thought us:

- Rage Against the Machine
- LyMe (malaysian local band http://getit.at/lyme)
- Fugazi
- LMF (hongkong)

misled_youth doesn't believe in any political system. No, he is not an anarchist. He is just the misled_youth. A lonewolf who invents his own philosophy and way of life as he goes by. His only weakness... is hot intelligent women with long smooth hair.

(damn... i HAVE to stop smoking weed at night)
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[__earth]

The IMF decision was probably the best...we managed (barely) to escape the aftermath of that end of century economic debacle.

Highly debatable. Korea and Thailand were shinning examples of IMF magic. Personally, IMF package would suit Malaysia because it would require transparancy from corporations and government - something that Malaysia desperately needs, even to today. However, it's one-size-fits all thing may not suit our needs.

Argentina and Indonesia are also IMF's shining failure. Indonesia might have recovered but Argentina is still having trouble after about 3 years

[topdog]

Argentina and Indonesia are also IMF's shining failure.
Argentina's main economic activity is corruption though, so that might have something to do with it...

[gal_flower]

i dono much abt politics nor the implicit scandalous stuff abt tun mahathir...but i DO noe one thing--he has VISION.

[Diesel]

vision? aah, i guess saddam hussein has/had vision too.

[chenchow]

Perhaps, we can look at where Malaysia is some years ago, and where we are right now. Have we improved in our quality of life? Guess that will be a good gauge of how well Dr. Mahathir has done.

How about the business sentiment in Malaysia? How about revenue dollars from tourism? Social ills? education? transportation etc?

Are we getting better?

[ElansarGelmir]

Hmm... I think most prime ministers try their best to be the most dynamic PM in his/her era, albeit some failed to do so. I think I am a little indifferent about the improvements Dr. M had brought about in Malaysia. He's just another PM to me. And it's his job to bring about those improvements. Else, why do people vote for him?

[qedx]

i dono much abt politics nor the implicit scandalous stuff abt tun mahathir...but i DO noe one thing--he has VISION.
oo VISION!! the semi-mystic word that no one quite knows the meaning of

[The_Observer]

Heck, even I have visions too...... just that it is doubled because I am sleeping too little due to exams :P

BTW, to misled_youth:

At least you read Bakunin...Marx is not far away.
Anyway, you don't have to be socialist...just a speaker/activist for socialism. Which politician these days seriously believe in the principles their respective parties hold or previously held?

One quote for your 'non-alignment' :

"If you have nothing to fight for, you have nothing to live for either"---Martin Luther King, Jr.

[phantom]

i admire him.i admire his willingness to fight.i admire his vocabulary.i admire his sartorial taste.i admire his kinglike's gait.i admire his dreams.i admire his strength.i admire his courage.i admire his age.i admire his widsom.i admire his brain.i admire his glasses.i admire his well-combed hair.i admire his well-shaved face.i admire his placid visage.i admire his thinkings.

i hate his political careers.i hate his lack of willingness to admit his pure blood.i hate his constant evil look portayed on Time's magezine.i hate seeing him in deep tears.i hate him for working hard for things people dont care.i hate watching him building dreams and being taunted upon.i hate him when i heard ppl saying he's heading to hell.i hate him when people tuned him as a drunker womanizer. i hate him when people say he is corrupted.i hate him when the word nepotisme was tagged upon him.i hate him when he failed to stand up for himself.

amid all,he will breathe forever.just like Cleoptra has wished for.he will live even after his death.his name eternally carved on books.a coward jerk to some.a notable hero for others.a man to every body.

[The_Observer]

I would seriously want to know his elixir of youth :D

Perhaps it is because he is/was a doctor....he should go back to practicing, well of course after re-tuning himself to the 21th century.

BTW, I would like to have the surgeon who did his bypass surgery if I hav to go under the scalpel. The guy did a dam fine job.

[Diesel]

i hate him when he made fun of the prophet.

[__earth]

i hate him when he made fun of the prophet.

at the same time, you should hate PAS for making fun of God.

[Diesel]

i hate him when he made fun of the prophet.

at the same time, you should hate PAS for making fun of God.

ok, and we're talking about mahathir right? and i didn't say that i'm a pas supporter right?

well, i think i should hear pas making fun of god from their sources. i mean, i ain't gonna watch tv and expect them to tell me accurate reports about the opposition. i know better than that. but that mahathir making fun of the prophet is what we saw on the national tv. that dont mean they are impartial. they just too ignorant to realize that mahathir was actually making an offensive statement.

[__earth]

ok, and we're talking about mahathir right? and i didn't say that i'm a pas supporter right?

i know. just poking some fun.

plus, i didn't say you are a pas supporter in the first place.

im just saying that using the same logic, you should hate pas too. no need to get defensive if you dont support pas.

[Diesel]

well, you were using the same logic, but if the topic is PAS, ure using it at the right place. for fun? ok, that's acceptable.

i dont think i defended pas. i was just telling u that if i were to use the same logic against PAS, i'd do it "logically", by refering to the right source.

[da-hype]

i dont respect him as an Islamic leader. i really dont.


You mean there is a respected islamic leader now days? :p

[Diesel]

I respect Dr Zakir Naik.

[masterof_none]

Diesel, Dr Zakir Naik is not yet a Prime Minister. So, I don't think comparing Dr Zakir with Dr M is appropriate (yet).
Let him be the PM of India or Pakistan first, and we'll see how it goes.
He's a good debater though.


misled_youth doesn't believe in any political system. No, he is not an anarchist. He is just the misled_youth. A lonewolf who invents his own philosophy and way of life as he goes by. His only weakness... is hot intelligent women with long smooth hair.


I guess you can write a book to put forth your political thought, and maybe you can work on the best framework to tackle Malaysia's political system. Or modifying how democracy should work...so that it would work in Malaysia. For the better.

But, a Nihilist movement is a dangerous one. history shows that it doesn't work.

[da-hype]

Diesel

Well personally, no Leader is perfect. yes Dr. M has done things that might have been wrong. But how many leaders now days get the respect his own people and from people from other countries like Dr. M ? Especially among the muslim countries?

I've been to pakistan and saudi arabia, and when i was their, and people found out where i was from, they had nothing but good things to say about Dr. M. (true story :p)

I've met alot of foreign student here in utah state that feel the same way too...

Personally i think Dr. M has done alot of good for malaysia and malaysian. More good than bad.

Thanks again Dr. M :p

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[oasis]

same here in Japan...when i told them im from Malaysia,the first thing that they'll say Malaysia is lucky to have a great leader like Dr Mahathir...NHK Japan did an interview for about an hour with Dr.M after he stepped down as Prime Minister...really wish i could show u guys the interview....but it is in Japanese....need someone to translate it ....been watching it for several times...seeing Malaysia from the perspective of a country like Japan really make me proud being a Malaysian...

[chenchow]

I agree with the notion that what Dr. Mahathir has done has helped shaping the reputation of Malaysia.

I have talked to many leaders of top corporations, World Bankers, NASA Astronauts, international students here, and even Americans, majority have lots of amazements on what Dr. Mahathir has done, especially for Malaysians.

While some of them may not agree with his foreign policy, but they do agree that Dr. Mahathir has done so in the interest of Malaysians.

Most international students from 3rd world countries especially have lots of wonderful words on Dr. Mahathir. Dr. Mahathir has been a champaign of many things that they hope to tell the world, but they have no courage to speak on it.

I still remember what I have told Dr. Mahathir on 24th September 2003, when I only got like 10 seconds to speak to him. I told him that I am proud to be a Malaysian. Whenever I told other students that I am from Malaysia, people are full of praises of how fast Malaysia has developed.

Perhaps this is looking at Kuala Lumpur, but just close our eyes and imagine 10 years ago, around 1994, do we have the confort of Putra? Star? KL Monorail? ERL? Kommuter? Bukit Jalil? KLIA? Putrajaya? Cyberjaya? KL Tower? Petronas Twin Tower?

[Diesel]

Diesel, Dr Zakir Naik is not yet a Prime Minister. So, I don't think comparing Dr Zakir with Dr M is appropriate (yet).


dude, i didn't compare him and mahathir. it's not my fault. he didn't say, "You mean there is a respected islamic PM now days?" he simply said leader. that's general isn't it?

[Diesel]

i'm not looking for perfection. but i know he could be better than that. come on, takkan tangkap muat kot. "he's done more good than bad". unfortunately, (for example) anwar got convicted for a few charges. why dont u people say that "aah, that's a few as compared to his contribution to this country". it doesn't work that way does it?

well, i know mahathir is well respected throughout the world. but they didn't know what it's like to live under him.

until there's a PM who can make my dream come true, i won't like any PM. and my dream is to be able to speak freely. and i'm not gonna remember him (mahathir) as a hero. i'm done with being forced to remember this and that people as heros in history classes. and i dont give a damn about his tears. he didn't give a damn about the tears of people he wrongfully ****ed in ISA. he didn't give a damn about those people who got ****ed by the police on the street, guilty for speaking their minds, guilty for not supporting the govt.

when i have children later, i'm gonna tell him about mahathir that i know. the bad side of him, that wont be covered in our children's text book. i'll let them think and decide whether to love or to hate him. i hope i will not be mahathir enough to **** with my children for not having the same political belief.

[SpRInG]

yes, well, although Mahathir has 'kononnya' done a lot for this country, i think we should not miss the point of justice.

Similarly, he must be punished for the wrongdoings that he has done.. it doesn't mean that when a person does something good, he can escape from punishment. Now, he is legally invincible, and really, that's not fair. Why should he be given a 'Tun'? Makes no sense at all.

[iQing]

I am interested to learn about Dr M and his thinking...
We can learn something when we extract something good values from him and avoid doing his wrongdoings....

I observe that he is hardworking and spirited. His mind is strong and that keeps him going and look young. I wish to learn about his ability to withstand fatigue...

He?s a person with initiative. he can initiate a project or an international meeting. I wish I could find out the ideas behind his action. What makes him so initiative.

I have seen the pic of his room. He?s a heavy reader, where he always read books. For time being I only know he reads a book called the power of the sword.

I am not sure why he call Dong Jiao Jong extremist. Dong Jiao jong is only dealing with chinese education. I hope malaysian education system will improve in the future as I am sure that many people in malaysia are not satisfied with the educational condition.

(by the way, it?s funny to see him saying "apa nama" many times... it has been his trademark for many years... lol)

[masterof_none]

Why should he be given a 'Tun'? Makes no sense at all.

Why not?

[masterof_none]

Diesel, Dr Zakir Naik is not yet a Prime Minister. So, I don't think comparing Dr Zakir with Dr M is appropriate (yet).


dude, i didn't compare him and mahathir. it's not my fault. he didn't say, "You mean there is a respected islamic PM now days?" he simply said leader. that's general isn't it?

I thought we're discussing about Dr M.

Anyway, like iQing said, there are a lot of things to be learned from Dr M. I think we can "buang yang keruh, ambil yang jernih".

whether there are a lot more "keruh", or a lot more "jernih", that's for you to decide. Obviously, he's done a lot of things. (although u might argue that it's not him that make things happen). but, I believe that a good politician is a good leader. no matter how rich Malaysia is, mismanagement from top leaders of the country would screw up the economy as a whole (hint: Indonesia) . ANd, as the GDP figure suggest(compare the GDP in 1980 to 2003 in real term) , and the inrease in overall standard of living , he's obviosly has done a good job for being the PM of Malaysia.

I don't mind the Sultans gives him the title Tun, Tuanku, Tan Sri, Dato', etc.

[morpheous]

about tun dr.mahathir.
morpheous has to say he is 60% right and 40%wrong..
heeheee :P
just like mao tze tung is 70% right and 30% wrong.


........Even the official communist literature admits that Mao made mistakes in his rule of China, the party line is that he was 70% right and 30% wrong. I figured out the wrong parts; the purges of intellectuals, the Great Leap Forward (where Mao forced millions back to the farm with inspirational slogans to grow food for the country - resulted in a famine that claimed 30-60 million lives), and the Cultural Revolution (where thousands of suspected anti-Mao people were imprisoned or killed). But I was hard pressed to understand why he was still so beloved by the population. What was the 70% right? To find the answer you must go back two centuries.

In the late 18th century the Qing (pronounced Ching) Dynasty had grudgingly accepted commercial relations with Britain and other Western countries though trade was confined to the port of Guangzhou, and foreign merchants were required to conduct trade through a limited number of Chinese merchants. Initially, the balance of trade was in China's favour, as Britain and other countries paid for huge quantities of tea not with British goods but with money in the form of silver. Seeking to level the balance of trade, the British merchants during the 1780's introduced Indian opium to China. Addiction spread and soon the balance of trade had shifted in favour of Britain - even though trade in opium was illegal in China. By the 1830's the problem of opium addiction, increasingly corrupt officials, and the outflow of silver was becoming a problem for the Qing and they appointed a senior official to shut down the trade. Using this as a pretext, the British government sent 42 warships to blockade Chinese ports and force the government to sign the Treaty of Nanjing. This opened five ports to foreign trade and residence and established large areas known as concessions that were leased in perpetuity to foreign powers. In 1856-60, Britain aided by France renewed hostilities in the second Opium War to secure even more favourable trading advantages. By the 1860s there were 14 treaty ports. Because the foreigners had demanded the right to impose their own laws instead of obeying Chinese laws, the concessions, especially those in Shanghai, came to resemble international cities. Foreigners in China sold imported manufactured goods that competed with Chinese products, but the treaties prohibited China from setting tariffs to protect its industries. (Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2002)

It was unfortunate that during this critical time in China's history the emperors of the Qing Dynasty were of mediocre calibre, and in fact were completely out of touch with anything happening outside of the Forbidden City. Most real power was exercised by the eunuchs who surrounded the emperor, and from 1875 to 1908 the Dowager Empress, Cixi, was the power behind the throne. She resisted any attempt to reform the ancient institutions of the empire because she was worried about undermining her power base, so China was ill-equipped to deal with aggressive western powers. Gradually China lost it's colonial holdings, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos to France, Britain occupied Burma, Japan forced China out of Korea and made them cede Taiwan, Germany and Russia demanded and received mineral and railway construction rights.

It was almost inevitable that after so many humiliations, internal resentment would lead to a drive to overthrow the Qing Dynasty and in 1911 after several uprisings the last emperor abdicated the throne. It was over. China would be split into rival factions, dominated by regional warlords for decades, invaded by Japan and pushed around by western powers through two world wars, until finally Mao Zedong captured the hearts of the masses and unified the country in an epic struggle. On October 1, 1949, Mao proclaimed the establishment of the People?s Republic of China from the emperor's platform of the Forbidden City to the masses assembled in Tiananmen Square - and for the first time in a hundred years China was again one country in control of it's own destiny. For that, the people would be prepared to forgive a lot. And that is why Mao is still 70% right. .........................



bad points:mahathir's "malay dilemma" book laid the foundations for NEP and Malay special rights policies.
all this slowly begat corruption, nepotism, cronism, mediocracy, more bureucracy and inefficiency, brain-drain, screwed-up education system, human resource crisis (not enough medic lecturers!!), etc...

good points: mahathir/msia government help to fund and support industries (steel,automotive,manufacturing,agri(palm oil), etc..) especially construction industry (benefiting bumi contractors, of course!). solved unemployment problems in 80s and 90s by attracting FDIs.

and all the grand infrastructure projects....(KL airport, Klang seaport,NS highway,Petronas twin tower,putrajaya,MSC (hmm..still highly debatable?..),biotech park??,etc...)
:lol:
only lately(toward the end of his step-down date),,he comes to his senses and support technology.
technology development is only mid-term solution....remember the "fire" element....recommers??


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.......another morpheous's 2 cents of thoughts...............

[SHuLy]

there will always be different people with different thoughts and opinions of our leaders..former and present

i think that drM has proven himself to be a leader. perhaps he had had his flaws, afterall, nobody's perfect. but you cannot sastify all- deontology theory.

if he wasn't a good leader, and was critisized by many, as some of you did, would he had held the helm for decades? i know that i might not be an expert in political issues, but there is one thing that i know, drM is a capable leader. he managed to silent critics-not many can do that. look at the british PM. he is critized by his people for his actions in the iraq war and now losing the elections. during the economy insurgency, dr M tried to stablise it. compared to indonesia and a few other ASEAN countries for that matter, for any economic downturn, that will end the leadership of the ruling president or the party!

i believe that dr M had plan to propel the nation to greater heights. anything that had come into that path would be dealt with the best way possible.period. In comparision, (till today) pak lah is MAINTAINING stability, whilst gradually improving the economy/society. it is a good thing too. cuz it would show difference in leaderships, exuding his capability in leadership and hence gaining the people's confidence

[chenchow]

I think Dr. Mahathir has brought revolutionary successes for Malaysia. While he is just an human being as all of us, he has gone out of his ways to provide the best of services to Malaysians.

Many things that we enjoy today, we may wrongly criticize Dr. Mahathir when he brought up the idea. Imagine without North South Highway. Imagine without Penang Bridge. Imagine without KLIA (I was there in January, and it was pretty crowded and highly utilized already. It is running at 68% capacity now already). Imagine without LRTs.

All these were being criticized, but guess we are enjoying the fruits of these usages. I am sure we can see that all these infrastructures have helped to provide a great deal of convenience for Malaysians.

When I am here in US, whenever I tell people that I am from Malaysia, people always know at least two things. Dr. Mahathir and Petronas Twin Tower. International students, especially those from Latin America, Africa and Asia are full of praise and claim that I am lucky to have Dr. Mahathir as our Prime Minister.

[USSDefiantNX74205]

No doubt that Mahathir has done a lot for Malaysia, but one must not forget the negative side of him too. The injustices done to Anwar, the way he made our courts virtually under the control of the govt, misuse of the ISA...these are just a few of the things he's guilty of. His successes can't be taken as valid reasons to justify all this, can it?

if he wasn't a good leader, and was critisized by many, as some of you did, would he had held the helm for decades?

He held the helm for decades because he effectively eliminated all opposition to him and his ways of doing things (think Anwar). Besides, the BN has been in power for so long. Is it a surprise then that he became leader for 22 years? And unlike the British, we don't exactly have free press or free speech. I can't imagine myself going out into the streets and condemning Mahathir for his wrongdoings without being hauled off to Kamunting. But are we allowed to do that in Britain? I should think so, or else there won't be any mass protests against Blair.

One question about his achievements (LRT, KLIA, economic recovery, NS highway, Penang bridge) I'd like to ask you guys too:
Do you honestly think that other leaders (opposition ones included) wouldn't have the foresight, vision or capability to carry out these projects? By crediting him with all this, are we saying that we have nobody else who can do the same?

[SHuLy]

if we were to have absolute freedom of speech, would the country -politically, socially, economically, be stable?

i would not say that i am a patriot. that's a strong statement to claim and justify, but i know i care for the country. and i would forgo that freedom of speech, mass protest..etc for the sake of everyone living here. if there all these freedom was present, would there be riots? and if there are riots, damages would be done...and then when it comes to repair, who will be complaining again about using taxpayers money..??

perhaps like you said, many people would have envisioned what drM had, however, how many would go all out to actually execute and realise that plan? it is easy to plan, but to start the job is an arduous task. furthermore, the will be many challenges and risks to take..like what chenchow mentioned, people had complained and scrutinized the projects undertaken, claiming it to be a white elephant. only years after did they realise that it was of such value and a commodity to us all.

as for the Anwar case, i don't think i am in a liable position to comment since i did not attend any of the court sessions nor had i seen the evidence presented or heard the witnesses who testified. i would not come to a conclusion to say that were there 'injustices' done, or was there none.

do you actually think that this country would progress with laws such as -no entertainment, separate queues for females and males...etc? (actually, i would not go more into this for it is really nonsensical) say, if DAP takes over, there will not be 'peace' either due to opposition from our bumi counterparts. they are part of the community and i respect that too.

leaders cannot please everyone, but what we can do is to strive for the best that we can. to obtain whatever portion that we have, to extract it, to 'demand' for more, but at the same time, realistically. finally, action speaks louder than words

[phantom]

wahhhhhh,hat off to shuly!!

[Diesel]

if we were to have absolute freedom of speech, would the country -politically, socially, economically, be stable?

no. stability relies on so many factors, not just freedom of speech.



i would not say that i am a patriot. that's a strong statement to claim and justify, but i know i care for the country. and i would forgo that freedom of speech, mass protest..etc for the sake of everyone living here. if there all these freedom was present, would there be riots?

riots happen with or without freedom of speech. personally, i'm against riots. but i support peaceful demonstration. demonstration can turn into riots for several reasons. 2 of the most important that i can think of are 1) loonies 2) police brutality in handling the demonstration

look, they dont give us enough freedom of speech. but still that doesnt mean that the country will be really stable. remember the 1998 riot. it happened not because we had momentary freedom of speech. it happened WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE fos (i'm not saying that that's the reason for the riot).

i dont think freedom of speech ensures stability. but i believe it helps. and remember, freedom of speech != riots.

[topdog]

i agree. freedom of speech != riots.
being able to write to the so-called mainstream press to criticize the government if they deserve to be criticized is a form of freedom of speech.

for example, a few days back, najib was quoted by the so-called "people's paper" as saying that "racial unity is at its highest level in years." i'm sure there are many who would dispute or question that claim, but they probably know that the star won't print any critical letters in its pages.

if one's onyl source of news is the mainstream press, one would think that malaysia is problem-free.

[USSDefiantNX74205]

and i would forgo that freedom of speech, mass protest..etc for the sake of everyone living here.

Shuly, you're starting to sound almost totalitarian here...This is usually the reason used by dictators and oppresive governments to curb free speech and hence protests against their rule - and they always do it 'in the name of the people' or 'for the sake of the people' when the only beneficiaries are themselves. Think for a moment: if free speech doesn't cause riots in countries like Britain, US or even Korea (okay, maybe they do, but these cases are extremely rare) why would it happen in Malaysia? In this case, I believe Diesel is right by saying that riots happen with or without freedom of speech. But does that justify canning any anti-govt voices altogether? It is within my right to protest you know...

perhaps like you said, many people would have envisioned what drM had, however, how many would go all out to actually execute and realise that plan? it is easy to plan, but to start the job is an arduous task.

This is nothing but an assumption. Are you saying that if another party besides the BN (with the exception of PAS) comes to power, they would be incapable of developing the country? More straight to the point - are you saying that other leaders are incapable of doing what DrM has done? Whether his projects are white elephants or not will be judged by history, and is besides the point anyway. We don't even know what other leaders are capable of, and with his stranglehold of the nation's premiership for 22 years, we may never know at all. And your assumptions that the DAP cannot maintain peace is rather questionable at best...why do you think they wouldn't respect our bumi counterparts? Remember, they may be a Chinese majority party, but are actually open to all races.

Leaders cannot please everyone, but at least give those who are displeased with them an avenue to complain publicly (and I don't mean all those aduan and suggestion box thingies at govt offices).

[SHuLy]

indeed, stability is more than the factor of fos. i was making a specific example based on the previous msg.there are other factors too...my mistake for not stating earlier.

"riots had happened without the fos in the country"...but could it had gotten worse? i believe there was a possibility.

and yes, that's the point. fos = riots. not fos would cause riots, but riots would be caused by fos. i know it might sound the same, but do consider...which is the basis of it all,say, like the crux of it.

ah, it is within your rights to protest USS..etc. but i was merely making a comment/opinion. not shutting any party off. =)

"why would it happen it Malaysia"....say, i don't know. it could happen due to our different backgrounds, perhaps the mentality as well? human beings are complex...! haha! well, everything is a possibility. it all boils down on whether should we risk it.

to me, it's not a matter of riots happening (with or without fos), but the frequency of it.

[chenchow]

Personally, I would think that we have freedom of speech, but we need to use it responsibly. You can't just somehow write anything without justification, but if you have justification, why not? I know Malaysiakini would publish it, and the government, as well as majority of Malaysians are reading it...

[el_empty]

hi folks! i can't believe some of you can equate the freedom of speech with riots. freedom of speech is absolutely not a direct or indirect consequence of free speech. in fact they are independent to one another.

i think those of you who equate fos=riot is confusing the freedom of speech with the freedom to do anything you want, in which the boundaries of such freedom stretch limitless, ensuring one the capacity to take an issue to the streets.

when one exercises his or her freedom of speech, it is done so within the confines of the law. you break it, you pay for it. but if you have something to say, use the appopriate means. rioting does not appear in the equation here. USS points out correctly that this equation is the oldest trick in the book used by totalitarian governments/individuals to justify the suppression of opposition.

i apologize for contributing to the huge digression. the topic is on mahathir and his legacy and not the human rights of malaysia. but to bring things into context though, mahathir is successful today because of his political achievements - and that my friends, is a euphemism for his unethical ways in crushing opponents, political high-handedness, and zero accountability.

this i believe creates, as in many cases, the good and bad, positive and negative views of what he has done, and buang the keruh, ambil yang jernih. but consider this: if we are to learn his positive ways,

- how do you work to repair the loopholes in the country's political structure that allowed for the negative things that he has done?
- how did he get away with the bad things he did, in the first place?
- how do you make each politician accountable for the things they say and do?

mahathir has done much for the country. let us now undo the problems he left behind.

[__earth]

I want to say that free speech is not the source of riot.

Riot originates from dissatisfaction on certain things. Taking May 13 as an example, the source of the riot was social disparity, certainly it was not caused by the fiery speeches. Those fiery speeches were caused by social disparity. In this case, and all other cases, free speech is merely the channel to voice out this dissatisfaction.

If somebody closes the facet by shunning free speech, the dissatisfied individuals will find other channel to voice their frustration.

I agree that free speech may have some correlation with riot. However, when a riot occurs, it is because of other underlying reasons.

The solution is not the supression of free speech. The solution needs to concern about the original problem, which is not free speech.

Remember, correlation is not causation; riot is not caused by free speech.

And I say, let's open up a new thread on free speech.

[observer912]

mahathir is a superb prime minister. corrupted sure, but he is a most shrewd and capable politician, a benign autocrat. malaysia is nothing without him.

[iQing]

What I am interested to know about mahathir is his secret of youth.

why he likes to listen to the song "my way" ???

[WantChair]

I think this has been posted many times on this thread, but I am going to say this again:
Tun Dr Mahathir is a great leader...
i've read and heard many positive and negative remarks about his leadership, and even his personal traits, from Malaysians and none Malaysians alike... this close scrutiny from so many groups of people reveal one fact about his leadership: he has made a rather large impact in our country and in the world... for good or bad? well, this is very subjective, and depends totally on individual opinion: not good enough could be considered as bad

Of course, he is just human, like you and I, he can make mistakes sometimes... we are also just as likely to get a wrong angle on a situation, don't you agree? From what little I have learnt about our administration from Pengajian Am, i'd say that there is a very good reason behind every policy given by the government... however, it is difficult, and nearly impossible to create policies which benefit and satisfy the masses.... sometimes, we just have to compromise...

The injustices done to Anwar, the way he made our courts virtually under the control of the govt, misuse of the ISA...these are just a few of the things he's guilty of.

Just curious, i've heard these statements many times before, but don't you think that the statement is rather vague by itself? If this argument is to hold truth, what exactly did he do?? how?? and why did he do it?? please, i did not ask this question to get the same answers one could expect... tell me something i've not heard of before...

Also, he has been PM since I was born, i've not been under any other leaders, with the exception of Pak Lah... so i'm really not in a position to comment about whether things would have been better under another leader... however, it does seem that our country has been rather successful in in comparison to other neighbouring countries....

[el_empty]

hi wantchair, thanks for the post. but i'd like to reply to some of your comments.

he can make mistakes sometimes...

you have to elaborate on his 'mistakes'. are they 'mistakes' or are they crimes, overstepping the law, and political high-handedness? i'm not accusing him of anything here, please, but for the allegations thrown at him, he has done nothing to credibly justify his motivations. i have no evidence of any wrongdoing on his part, but he strikes me as somebody with little credibility and little regard for the rule of law and any notion of democracy. but let's go back to the starting line, if he made these 'mistakes,' shouldn't he be tried in court?

From what little I have learnt about our administration from Pengajian Am, i'd say that there is a very good reason behind every policy given by the government

ok perhaps there is some good reason behind every policy - however the mainstream argument is that the government is too self-righteous in that THEY believe that this so and so policy will be good for the people, and nobody else's opinion matters. clear example will be Broga. good reason for the construction? perhaps. but do they listen to the views of the people? no. do they scrutnize the financial and environmental fundamentals of the japanese contractor? no.

...I've heard these statements many times before, but don't you think that the statement is rather vague by itself

the statement by USS on the "injustices done to Anwar" i believe is made on the assumption that you have been following the trial. there's nothing vague about the trial, in fact it was very closely monitored by both the int'l and local (and biased) press.

please, i did not ask this question to get the same answers one could expect... tell me something i've not heard of before...

please, this remark is quite condescending. you are assuming the supporters of anwar, or non-supporters-but-neutral people like me to be parroting the same argument to you. if you want answers as to "what exactly did he do?? how?? and why did he do it??" please do your own research. this topic has been so exhaustively discussed.

really not in a position to comment about whether things would have been better under another leader... however it does seem that our country has been rather successful in in comparison to other neighbouring countries....

so are you saying our leaders are good enough? on the grounds that we're better off than our neighbors?

[phantom]

What I am interested to know about mahathir is his secret of youth.

why he likes to listen to the song "my way" ???

this is the last stanza of the song " my way" by Frank Sinatra:

For what is a man, what has he got?
If not himself, then he has naught.
To say the things he truly feels;
And not the words of one who kneels.
The record shows I took the blows -
And did it my way.



now do you get it why the song is really remarkable?
i love that song very very very much too.it taught you a huge deal of lesson.yeap,live life according to your own way.

[el_empty]

didn't they play the song repeatedly over propagandaTV back home over some patriotic images? i love sinatra, but this song reached its same overhyped status as "i swear" when we were in primary school? remember those times, when the radio stations played nothing but all-4-one's version? so much cheese..

[kucingbiru]

guys, we dont have 50 former PM with whom we can compare the performance of Mahathir. in fact, most of us were under his rule for perhaps the first 20 years of our lives. i guess let history show us whether Mahathir is that great or not (provided our history they tell us in the future isn't as biased as it has been).
i think in this case we should learn from the United States. they consider a president a great president maybe a few decades after his death.

[ElansarGelmir]

Of course, he is just human, like you and I, he can make mistakes sometimes

A mistake made by one citizen perhaps will affect his/her neighbors. A mistake made by a leader affect the whole country.

Mahatir's the leader whose action speaks louder than words? nay... Remember his "Anti US" campaign when US declared war on Iraq? Fancy asking other countries to ban US products and try to have nothing to do with US, while our currency is still pact with USD. A little the irony, huh?

And we are better off than our neighboring countries? Why dun we compare our country with those who share the same history background as ours? Forget about Indonesia... Forget about Phillipines... They were not ruled by the British. Singapore started just the same as Malaysia... In fact, in the olden days, the exchange rate for Singapore Dollar and Malaysia Ringgit is a dollar to a dollar. However, the current exchange rate value tells us how well our economy has grown compared to Singapore.

[USSDefiantNX74205]

i guess let history show us whether Mahathir is that great or not (provided our history they tell us in the future isn't as biased as it has been).

I think this is the statement that sums it all up. History will be the judge on whether or not Mahathir is a great PM (unless our history books decide to give him hero status like they did to Dato' Maharajalela).

I would agree with Elansar too on what he said. Sometimes I find what Mahathir did is a bit irrational. Like boycotting American products because of a war between them and Iraq? I thought we were supposed to be a neutral country? And what about him hailing that Western culture is bad and we should take up more Eastern values? Is the West really that bad??

[kucingbiru]

My Way? I dont understand the original french lyric, but Paul Anka certainly did a great job writing the english lyric.

"Yes, there were times, I'm sure you knew
When I bit off more than I could chew" (Yes mahathir, i remember)

[Randomphantom]

Yes, let time be the judge. But when textbooks remember him and all his contributions, neglecting any mention whatsoever about Anwar's. I guess the bias will still be here for a long time.

He is undeniably a great PM that has done much in his longer-then-normal period of helming Malaysia. But the legacy bestowed on Pak Lah is one heavy burden to bear, given Mahathir's greatness besides numerous mistakes to mop up.

[SHuLy]

i think that the west is not all that bad. but it doesn't mean there is no "bad" at all. from what i interpret, dr M meant that we should abstain ourselves from being influenced by the "bad" side of the west-and usually, that's USA.

[__earth]

i think that the west is not all that bad. but it doesn't mean there is no "bad" at all. from what i interpret, dr M meant that we should abstain ourselves from being influenced by the "bad" side of the west-and usually, that's USA.

so you are saying the US is bad?

i say, huh?

IMO, dr. M was referring to the west moral value (not that I impl that the east moral value is superior), not the US per se.

[ElansarGelmir]

As if the East has superb moral values... If the British had not come and "kacau" our economy and political and social system, perhaps we will still allow some despicable rituals such as beheading people and collecting their skulls... And if the East people have such good moral values, i believe that with such "good" moral values, they are surely be able to resist all negative influence from the West, right?

From what i have perceived in INTEC itself, the students can't even bother to queue up to board the bus... shoving each other from every angles... is this good values? dun tell me we got it from the west?

[iQing]

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dah lama dah....


[/i]

[ElansarGelmir]

haha... another episode from Akademi Fantasia? They love crying too...

[iQing]

somehow this pic makes a lot of people terharu....
woo... woo...

amazing eh?

[ElansarGelmir]

no ler... my classmates and i share the same opinion... he's damn talented!

[USSDefiantNX74205]

He was upset about the Malays being complacent and taking their special rights for granted, right? Though I'm not exactly a Mahathir fan, I don't think he's acting on that occasion.

[phantom]

hmmm,since when people have the sixth sense of reading other's ppl mind?

so those who thinks he was sincere lack that sense?and those who think he's insincere were actually being rationale without even letting an iota of their ill-sickening feelings to do the math?

i'm pretty sure that not many leaders in da world when they chose to step down..those below them would ask them to stay in power,let alone for the country's denizen to let tears streamed down their faces.

look,my mum cried.and gee,she didn't even belong to BN.amazing?yeap,it's darn amazing that total strangers would cry for him,regardless how sincere and insincere he was.(owh yeah,thanks to the propoganda tvs and newspapers)..and those who thinks he was acting was after all,making the pristine decision?

i;m pretty sure the next time i see LKS or Nik aziz crying,i'll say that they are sincere.except,i wont give a shit.so that dont make them as good actors,right?





i think that the west is not all that bad. but it doesn't mean there is no "bad" at all. from what i interpret, dr M meant that we should abstain ourselves from being influenced by the "bad" side of the west-and usually, that's USA.

i dont know whether usa is bad or not,or the western hemisphere on the whole.but what sicken me is this:

what the western pen think about him:

DR. M never studied in the western world and ergo have been led to think westerners as this and that.

since when mr. bush went and studied in eastern uni?or since when reagan went to study at soviet to give him the right to call soviet as the evil axis?

in this sense,the western pens,failed to seek strong reasons for Dr. M's "xenophobic" disposition.

perhaps living under the english and japan and watching his own blood suffering in their own lands has taught him a huge deal of lesson.


he doesnt hate usa per se...or aussie per se...he never shared one head with aussie pm(s) or the most powerful man in da world.


and instead of backstabbing them like total losers ,he vocalized his opinions.and so what the world make the riot of that...it's ok for certain ppl to call others as this and that but it is never ok when others call them that.

it's ok to label anyone terrorist but it's never ok to call others as ruling on axis.

so there are angle and devil and never human in between.


ps:hmm,his policy changed with time,didn't it?at least he was growing.others hmm.. dont .when you dont even get it what are eastern policy and what are not,you dont deserve linking them to whatever u think deem valid.

[ElansarGelmir]

Perhaps u guys are right. But that scene still gives me the impression that it wasn't really that real... dunno ler...

[Randomphantom]

I'm surprised that people think his tears were unsincere. Bet he was upset that he wasn't able to undo many things, regretful that he gave Malays so much that they took granted for and so lost his support on elections, sad to concede his title after a long reign. Pretty hard to see a grown man sob like that. If it was an act I don't see any benefit of him doing that... sympathy votes? nah.

But for those shedding tears around him, imploring him to reconsider his decision of stepping down... nice sandiwara btw(claps hands). Yeah you don't have to be a BN to shed tears but does that mean a BN person has to? Asking him back to his seat when you're itching to be the next person on it.

As for pointing fingers at US and constantly smirking, he is one of the few leaders with the guts (and gall) to do that. He forgets that his few fingers are always pointing back. Accusing them of arrogance, double standards, media bias, greedy capitalistism etc etc etc. And when you tick off people, what goes around comes around.

[ElansarGelmir]

Has anyone read Dr. M's Malay dilemma? Haven't gone through the whole thing yet, but the blames he put on genetics inheritance is a little unplausible. What you guys think?

[iQing]

I think i have read another book saying that cultural influence is greater than genetic influence when comes to collective wealth...

it was about why chinese race is successful in asia pacific regent
(the book even call the westernise chinese "banana"... shock to find they use the word banana officially)

[kucingbiru]

but the blames he put on genetics inheritance

that makes someone a very fine racist. and remember the remark he made about jews.

[USSDefiantNX74205]

One thing I've always pondered about. Are Jews classified as a race or are they people who belong to the Jewish religion? Sorry, can't help digressing.

[kucingbiru]

One thing I've always pondered about. Are Jews classified as a race or are they people who belong to the Jewish religion? Sorry, can't help digressing.

well, the race is actually Hebrew. but in malaysia, they always call them jews, whether it is the race or the believers of judaism that they're talking about.

[Randomphantom]

I heard he has Indian Muslim blood in him. He must be very self-judgemental then.

[kucingbiru]

Quote IMDB

" Two Jewish actors - James Caan and Abe Vigoda - played Italian characters. An Italian - Alex Rocco - played a Jewish character (Moe Greene)."

so i guess "jew" = race too

[phantom]

I heard he has Indian Muslim blood in him. He must be very self-judgemental then.

HELL YOU.

WHAT DOES RACE HAS TO DO WITH ONE'S ABILITY TO BE ROBBERS OR SELF-JUDLMENTAL?PLS PROVE TO ME THAT BY BEING CHINESE OR MALAY YOU ARE NOT A SELF-JUDGEMENTAL PERSON OR CHEAP SLUT TOO?AND PROVE TO ME ALSO THAT BY BEING THAT, YOU ARE NOT HAVING ANAL SEX ?

DUDE,DONT ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY LAND THEY MOVED IN?DONT THE INDIANS PROVE THEY COULD RULE FIJI AND YET CREATED THE CIVIL WAR?

TO THESE BASTARDS WHO THINK HE'S DEVIL OR MOTHERFUCKER BECOZ HE'S AN INDIAN MUSLIMS,YOU NEED TO BE SHOT TO DEAD.AND CASTRATED OR ELSE DRAGGED 100 KM.AND KILLED!!

[phantom]

hebrew is a language.but then again,it is correct to say Hebrew when referring to those who speak this language .these group speak the northern semitic language.semitic is a type of language.

the malaysians are actually correct.the terminology they used is.. suprise,suprise is perfectly correct.


jew refers to:

1) a member of the tribe of Judah
2) a citizen of Israel
3) descent of ancient jewish ppl
4) one whose religion is Judaism


Dr. M didn't just speak like some a**hole when he said that,you might wanna find out who are working at the most powerful office in da world.and who are channelling the money for public campaigns.and who are lobbying at DC and who are not.

and gee,..which side the usa is when it comes to middle east conflict.

and how many times usa has used it veto power to save israel's ass.

[__earth]

I heard he has Indian Muslim blood in him. He must be very self-judgemental then.

what does this suppose to mean?

please refrain yourself from racist remark.

[kucingbiru]

I heard he has Indian Muslim blood in him. He must be very self-judgemental then.

HELL YOU.

WHAT DOES RACE HAS TO DO WITH ONE'S ABILITY TO BE ROBBERS OR SELF-JUDLMENTAL?PLS PROVE TO ME THAT BY BEING CHINESE OR MALAY YOU ARE NOT A SELF-JUDGEMENTAL PERSON OR CHEAP SLUT TOO?AND PROVE TO ME ALSO THAT BY BEING THAT, YOU ARE NOT HAVING ANAL SEX ?

DUDE,DONT ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL IN ANY LAND THEY MOVED IN?DONT THE INDIANS PROVE THEY COULD RULE FIJI AND YET CREATED THE CIVIL WAR?

TO THESE BASTARDS WHO THINK HE'S DEVIL OR f***ER BECOZ HE'S AN INDIAN MUSLIMS,YOU NEED TO BE SHOT TO DEAD.AND CASTRATED OR ELSE DRAGGED 100 KM.AND KILLED!!

dude, i think Randomphantom was being sarcastic.

[kucingbiru]

hebrew is a language.but then again,it is correct to say Hebrew when referring to those who speak this language .these group speak the northern semitic language.semitic is a type of language.

the malaysians are actually correct.the terminology they used is.. suprise,suprise is perfectly correct.


jew refers to:

1) a member of the tribe of Judah
2) a citizen of Israel
3) descent of ancient jewish ppl
4) one whose religion is Judaism


Dr. M didn't just speak like some a**hole when he said that,you might wanna find out who are working at the most powerful office in da world.and who are channelling the money for public campaigns.and who are lobbying at DC and who are not.

and gee,..which side the usa is when it comes to middle east conflict.

and how many times usa has used it veto power to save israel's ass.

Definition of Hebrew from Dictionary.com

1. A member or descendant of a Semitic people claiming descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; an Israelite; a Jew.
2.
1. The Semitic language of the ancient Hebrews.
2. Any of the various later forms of this language, especially the language of the Israelis.
3. Hebrews (used with a sing. verb) Abbr. Heb. See table at Bible.


I know all those stuff. but saying that all jews are like that is irrational. they hate it as much as we hate it when people associate terrorism with Islam.

[senksiang90]

To me, racist or not, Mahathir is still the best Prime Minister among all 5 so far. His talks, dreams and ambitions has brought together a sense of security among Malaysians. Even when Malaysia was in shatters due to the 'Soros Intervention' Mahathir stood up and introduced the concept of 'Mahathirism' into this world. When all of us were wondering "what the hell does Mahathir thinks he's doing by building the highways all along peninsular malaysia," 20 years later, we all realised how important it is to us and how it has managed to save billions of ringgit if it were to be built only now.
So, my point here is that Mahathir is a dreamer, a Maestro in politics. After all he has done for this country, it's just so sad to see how he's being treated by UMNO these days. Being called a liar, an old fart who has retired and shouldn't make any noise.. It's really sad. If there is such thing as batman in this world, I guess it's non other than Mahathir himself, the dark crusader, fighting for us.. ALONE...

[youngyew]

The fact that UMNO people are thrashing him today is the consequence of the entire political culture he helped cultivate through his years of dictatorship (his own word). The flock mentality, unwillingness to stick to principles, doing what benefits ownselves instead of benefits the people, etc. TDM planted these seeds with his own tender loving care. He is now reaping what he had sown.

[senksiang90]

so u r saying tat it serves him right? hahaha.. cool cool...

[pinknotebook]

While Mahathir had the numbers to prove he was the most successful prime minister in our country in terms of economy, he was still my least favourite prime minister.

Reason - he made his people fear him. I agree with youngyew and an earlier post which said that he was a dictator and he IS the law. I liken him to China's Chairman Mao (but in a far tamer level of course) because he has a power of great influence laced within his words which make his opinions and ambitions seem like the best solutions for our country.

I do not think he is a horrible prime minister, but I certainly do think most Malaysians are placing him on a very high pedestal and worship his every thought.

And I for one, appreciated the press' freedom during Badawi's reign. Never before have I seen my friends and family so opinionated about politics. The transparency did us some good because it gave us a backbone for our opinions, and our (rakyat's) opinions are ultimately Malaysia's key to success and growth because this is not the pm's country but our country.

His (Badawi) biggest mistake however was that he let the politicking go on for too long =/
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[vikraman]

I do not think he is a horrible prime minister, but I certainly do think most Malaysians are placing him on a very high pedestal and worship his every thought.

And I for one, appreciated the press' freedom during Badawi's reign. Never before have I seen my friends and family so opinionated about politics. The transparency did us some good because it gave us a backbone for our opinions, and our (rakyat's) opinions are ultimately Malaysia's key to success and growth because this is not the pm's country but our country.

His (Badawi) biggest mistake however was that he let the politicking go on for too long =/

Our neo-feudalistic structure of society is to blame here. People worship him as a figurehead in society and not for the substance between the ears. Even then I don't see people going around building shrines for Einstein or Hawking or Newton.

Anyway, Mahathir is honestly the one of the worst Prime Ministers we could've had from the pick of the political crop in the early 1980's. If Tengku Razaleigh became PM, we'd be a developed country by today. If Musa Hitam became PM, corruption would be close to non-existent today. Hell, if NO ONE became PM and the country ran on autopilot maintaining the same level on institutional efficiency and public order as the early 70's, we'd be Singapore today.

Why is Mahathir the worst? Every problem in Malaysia today can be directly traced back to his actions/inactions. Every success in Malaysia despite his actions/inactions. He had one relatively minor success. I credit him for only one thing. That is the MSC. It truly was his own idea and the only idea that worked and was worth the initial investment.

Re: Badawi's "freer" press. Nope. The mainstream media has been EXACTLY the same since Mahathir left, what has changed however is the unpoliceable entity that is the internet. (unless you are China and have 1 million spies working tirelessly day and night to censor it.) The organic growth of the internet as a medium of information transfer is a juggernaut that is unstoppable. Badawi couldn't have done anything even if he tried.

[youngyew]

He could, you know, ask ISP to put www.malaysiatoday.net in their DNS blacklist. LOL

[SapphireDragon]

I name Abdullah "Bapa Demokrasi". Who supports me?

[yanno_yamster]

I name Abdullah "Bapa Demokrasi". Who supports me?

I second you. The democratic system was really utilised during his time... Although the outcome is rather... Well... Interesting...
We're off-topic by the way... :P

[Boyz_Zoo]

I name Abdullah "Bapa Demokrasi". Who supports me?
I support you but I feel that it is like offending him. His mistakes caused the political tsunami on March 8 which finally change our country.
Before this our country practices democracy socialism (though not official) but now it is slowly changing into democracy parliament.
What is democracy socialism one might asked?
Those who read the pengajian am book knows this already. It is at chapter 1. Below are the list of characteristic of that type of democracy as stated by the book.
1. there will always the same ruling party
2. there is general election
3. the opposition party are famously known as the Opposition instead of their party name
4. there is interference between judiciary and executive branch
5. limited freedom of speech and people are being detained without court

[vikraman]

I support Badawi being called the "Bapa Mertua Khairy". Who seconds me?

Khairy is not dead my friends. Far from it. He'll rise up from the ashes that will be UMNO in 2013.

[youngyew]

"Bapa Tidur" for being the role model in teaching the importance of having naps whenever you could.

[Boyz_Zoo]

"Bapa Tidur" for being the role model in teaching the importance of having naps whenever you could.
hahaha. Good one. but he being the Prime minister and his mistakes that improved our democracy. So, you can't say he bapa tidur.

[SapphireDragon]

hahaha. Good one. but he being the Prime minister and his mistakes that improved our democracy. So, you can't say he bapa tidur.

No offence, but BY doing nothing, he can improve our democracy. I know Mahathir's an iron fist man but u cant deny he's economically genius

[Boyz_Zoo]

No offence, but BY doing nothing, he can improve our democracy. I know Mahathir's an iron fist man but u cant deny he's economically genius
he improve country's economy but did he contribute or make our political system worse? i dun think i need to elaborate more on what he has done. In order to have be a developed country we need to democratically matured community as stated in the Vision 2020. with that, more investor wants to come to invest in our country and there is more justice in our country. look at the anti corruption bill and judicial appointment bill.

[SapphireDragon]

Hey, I'm anti gov juz like u too. The time will come when we Malaysians stand united and fight against injustice, corruption and racism. Maybe one of us recomers can be the next Prime Minister?

[Boyz_Zoo]

Hey, I'm anti gov juz like u too. The time will come when we Malaysians stand united and fight against injustice, corruption and racism. Maybe one of us recomers can be the next Prime Minister?
maybe, who knows. since our people are no longer stupid voter and the political parties fears the people especially us the young people.

[SapphireDragon]

Hey, boyz zoo, do u frequently visit Lim Kits Siang's blog or Malaysia Today?

[Boyz_Zoo]

Hey, boyz zoo, do u frequently visit Lim Kits Siang's blog or Malaysia Today?
Malaysia Today yes. Political blogs once a while. Sometime also read wikipedia to know certain things like y UMNO was once banned, operasi lalang and so on.

[SapphireDragon]

Okay, pop quiz: Who's the new Minister of International Trade and Industry? Haha, not doubting your knowledge, juz wanna play here

[youngyew]

I guess a distinction should be made between "anti-BN" and "anti-government". If you don't support BN, you could probably call yourselves anti-BN, and you campaign for the removal of BN from the governance with legitimate means. However, someone who is anti-government is against the whole institution of government as described in the constitution, and it is technically a crime. BN forms the current government, but you can only antagonise BN or disagree with policies of the government; but you can't quite antagonise the whole framework of government. An example of anti-government is like waging a war against the state and championing of anarchy.

That's the semantic difference as I see it. I could be wrong though.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Okay, pop quiz: Who's the new Minister of International Trade and Industry? Haha, not doubting your knowledge, juz wanna play here
Mustapa Mohammad, former agriculture minister

I guess a distinction should be made between "anti-BN" and "anti-government". If you don't support BN, you could probably call yourselves anti-BN, and you campaign for the removal of BN from the governance with legitimate means. However, someone who is anti-government is against the whole institution of government as described in the constitution, and it is technically a crime. BN forms the current government, but you can only antagonise BN or disagree with policies of the government; but you can't quite antagonise the whole framework of government. An example of anti-government is like waging a war against the state and championing of anarchy.

That's the semantic difference as I see it. I could be wrong though.
yup, you are right grammatically, but BN has taken over the federal government way before independence. Thus, people not only sapphire dragon used to refer BN as the government, but it is going to change soon as BN's position as the federal government is under threat.

[SapphireDragon]

Mustapa Mohammad, former agriculture minister


yup, you are right grammatically, but BN has taken over the federal government way before independence. Thus, people not only sapphire dragon used to refer BN as the government, but it is going to change soon as BN's position as the federal government is under threat.
Not bad...

Your prize: a JPA scholarship!!!

Juz wan last one: What's the title of the book recently published by Zaid Ibrahim?

[Boyz_Zoo]

Not bad...

Your prize: a JPA scholarship!!!

Juz wan last one: What's the title of the book recently published by Zaid Ibrahim?
Thank you. Thank you. Hopefully can get.
"Saya Pun Melayu" by the former senator and Minister in the Prime Minister's Department, Zaid Ibrahim

[youngyew]

yup, you are right grammatically, but BN has taken over the federal government way before independence. Thus, people not only sapphire dragon used to refer BN as the government, but it is going to change soon as BN's position as the federal government is under threat.
Yes I totally understand that. It's only that anti-government has a negative association for people who are not totally familiar with the ins and outs of our country. The moment you tell an average rural folk that you are "anti-government", a negative impression could have formed immediately.

[SapphireDragon]

Yes I totally understand that. It's only that anti-government has a negative association for people who are not totally familiar with the ins and outs of our country. The moment you tell an average rural folk that you are "anti-government", a negative impression could have formed immediately.

Barisan nasional has been the ruling government since Merdeka. So, to me, its appropriate to name those who hate BN as anti gov, at least towards a Malaysian perspective.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Barisan nasional has been the ruling government since Merdeka. So, to me, its appropriate to name those who hate BN as anti gov, at least towards a Malaysian perspective.
yup, but from now onwards we should change it to anti-BN.

[youngyew]

Haha that's just my little peeves. That doesn't really add anything into our discussion. :)

[Boyz_Zoo]

Now, do you think Mahathir's son deserve become the deputy minister though he has no post in UMNO?

[SapphireDragon]

Come to think of it, watta u think of Pakatan's performances in the states they won? I'm from Johor, a BN stronghold,so I dun really know, but my hometown Muar is controlled by DAP and PAS. U can say I'm an island in the middle of shark infested waters..

[Boyz_Zoo]

Come to think of it, watta u think of Pakatan's performances in the states they won? I'm from Johor, a BN stronghold,so I dun really know, but my hometown Muar is controlled by DAP and PAS. U can say I'm an island in the middle of shark infested waters..
I am also from a state under BN, Melaka though my area (near the town) people are strong supporter of DAP until both the DUN & parliament seat never fall to the BN since 1969 except the parliament seat for 2004 general election.
I say that there is still a lot more to improve but can't really blame as it is their first. However, i like the way guan eng runs penang the most of all state.

[SapphireDragon]

I am also from a state under BN, Melaka though my area (near the town) people are strong supporter of DAP until both the DUN & parliament seat never fall to the BN since 1969 except the parliament seat for 2004 general election.
I say that there is still a lot more to improve but can't really blame as it is their first. However, i like the way guan eng runs penang the most of all state.

yeah, i agree too with the CAT motto he set. Competency, Accountability and Transparency, I think. I think maybe a majority likes Guan Eng's Penang admin cuz there's more media coverage. U never heard of Kedah, Kelantan and Selangor in the limelight often, right? In Perak, its a diffrent ball game altogether. I'm confident DAP will be able to retain Penang in next GE.

[Boyz_Zoo]

yeah, i agree too with the CAT motto he set. Competency, Accountability and Transparency, I think. I think maybe a majority likes Guan Eng's Penang admin cuz there's more media coverage. U never heard of Kedah, Kelantan and Selangor in the limelight often, right? In Perak, its a diffrent ball game altogether. I'm confident DAP will be able to retain Penang in next GE.
I hope so. And I hope my state falls to under Pakatan. Don't like my chief minister, Ali Rustam. He was not suspended when he was found guilty of money politics. One of the two people who was found guilty but was not suspended. Khairy is the other wan.

[MandyWarhol]

Now, do you think Mahathir's son deserve become the deputy minister though he has no post in UMNO?

Well, personally, i think he's a bit inexperienced to be a deputy. After all, there are a lot of experienced mps who deserve more than him, i think.

Plus, he has only been an mp for a year.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Well, personally, i think he's a bit inexperienced to be a deputy. After all, there are a lot of experienced mps who deserve more than him, i think.

Plus, he has only been an mp for a year.
How about khairy? do you think he deserve to get the deputy post?

So, which prime minister is your favourite and why?

[SapphireDragon]

How about khairy? do you think he deserve to get the deputy post?

So, which prime minister is your favourite and why?

My favourite Prime Minister would be Obama. He's clean, inspiring and acts like a beacon of hope to so many people. Anyone read his books "The Audacity of Hope" and "Dreams From My Father"?

About Khairy, people label him as racist and untrustworthy, especially among the non Malays. He SHOULD be given a minister post because he's UMNO youth chief but I guess lots of Malaysians are smiling behind their backs on him being dropped off. Even MCA Youth chief Wee Ka Siong has a post.

[Boyz_Zoo]

My favourite Prime Minister would be Obama. He's clean, inspiring and acts like a beacon of hope to so many people. Anyone read his books "The Audacity of Hope" and "Dreams From My Father"?

About Khairy, people label him as racist and untrustworthy, especially among the non Malays. He SHOULD be given a minister post because he's UMNO youth chief but I guess lots of Malaysians are smiling behind their backs on him being dropped off. Even MCA Youth chief Wee Ka Siong has a post.
Anyway, Obama is not a prime minister. He is a president of USA. I mean prime minister in Malaysia.

[SapphireDragon]

Anyway, Obama is not a prime minister. He is a president of USA. I mean prime minister in Malaysia.

Hmmm, for Malaysia I would say Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah or Zaid Ibrahim.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Hmmm, for Malaysia I would say Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah or Zaid Ibrahim.
Tengku Razaleigh Hamzah could have been the prime minister. Zaid Ibrahim however is not a prime minister. If you don't like anyone of them say it.

[SapphireDragon]

Ok, personally I don't really like anyone from UMNO.(not hate, just dun like) But Tengku Razaleigh is experienced and I think he's brilliant. Zaid Ibrahim, well, lets say he turned over a new leaf.

M favourite PM would be none other than Tunku Abdul Rahman. Father of INdependence, a person who truly practiced racial integration and a man who sacrificed so much for Malaysia for what it is today. Just hope we can have another person like him, one who truly fights for all Malaysians.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Say, what is your opinion on Najib's action on appealing ISA?

Ok, personally I don't really like anyone from UMNO.(not hate, just dun like) But Tengku Razaleigh is experienced and I think he's brilliant. Zaid Ibrahim, well, lets say he turned over a new leaf.

M favourite PM would be none other than Tunku Abdul Rahman. Father of INdependence, a person who truly practiced racial integration and a man who sacrificed so much for Malaysia for what it is today. Just hope we can have another person like him, one who truly fights for all Malaysians.
Same here. He is very close to Chinese which was disliked by the Malays. So, Razak is the who started May 16 to take the PM post from him. And god punished him by making him passed away so fast.

[SapphireDragon]

Which Razak? U mean the recent ammendment of ISA or Tun Abdul Razak years ago?

[Boyz_Zoo]

Which Razak? U mean the recent ammendment of ISA or Tun Abdul Razak years ago?
Typo. I mean Najib.

[SapphireDragon]

Say, what is your opinion on Najib's action on appealing ISA?


Same here. He is very close to Chinese which was disliked by the Malays. So, Razak is the who started May 16 to take the PM post from him. And god punished him by making him passed away so fast.

Where do u read about this? I also know but I read it in Malaysia Today by Raja Petra Kamaruddin. Yeah, he knows that only by racial mutual respect can we move forward. Its been so different today. See the Malays and Chinese and Indian? So seperated..u went to school, u probably knwo wha I'm saying.

Typo. I mean Najib.

Its about time. I dun know if this is only a make-up for the BN face. But its good, we dun want cruelty and abuse of power. Remember Syed Hamid arrest Teresa Kok, RPK and Sin Chew journalist? Shameful and disgraceful. Clearly an abuse of power and his reason was shit. "To protect her from harm" was why he arrested the journalist. Then why release her after that? Even when u lie, lie cleverly.

[Boyz_Zoo]

Where do u read about this? I also know but I read it in Malaysia Today by Raja Petra Kamaruddin. Yeah, he knows that only by racial mutual respect can we move forward. Its been so different today. See the Malays and Chinese and Indian? So seperated..u went to school, u probably knwo wha I'm saying.
Well, honestly my school is like a utopia. We can also mingle well with each other regardless of race. Maybe cause my school is an english school and there is any favouritism in my school and most tulen malays go to Malacca Hig School opposite my school.

[SapphireDragon]

From Muar High School here. May I know name of yur school? Of course, I can get along with Malays well. My BM is quite good and I play soccer with them quite often. Cannot say the same for other Chinese especially from SJKC

[Boyz_Zoo]

From Muar High School here. May I know name of yur school? Of course, I can get along with Malays well. My BM is quite good and I play soccer with them quite often. Cannot say the same for other Chinese especially from SJKC
St. Francis' Institution. It is a La Salle School. Thus, my school is semi government. We have many branches across the state and the La Salle school in Johor is St. Andrew Institution. We should actually be lucky studying in a good surroundings. I wonder how those people living in racism school.

[SapphireDragon]

St. Francis' Institution. It is a La Salle School. Thus, my school is semi government. We have many branches across the state and the La Salle school in Johor is St. Andrew Institution. We should actually be lucky studying in a good surroundings. I wonder how those people living in racism school.

Wah, La Salle school. hey, i heard the last of the La Salle brothers is going to retire soon. How bad. We truly need this dedicated people. I really respect St. Francis. U wanna know racist school? We have a lot. Maktab rendah sains, MARA school, agama school, SMJKC, UIAM, USIM. All dominated by one race. What a shame..

[Boyz_Zoo]

Wah, La Salle school. hey, i heard the last of the La Salle brothers is going to retire soon. How bad. We truly need this dedicated people. I really respect St. Francis. U wanna know racist school? We have a lot. Maktab rendah sains, MARA school, agama school, SMJKC, UIAM, USIM. All dominated by one race. What a shame..
They will retire as principal but still remain as brother director. The government made the brothers to do so, and appointed a new principal. However, he is a good principal. Say, are you planning to run for election since most lawyers are either consultant or politician. hahaha

[SapphireDragon]

They will retire as principal but still remain as brother director. The government made the brothers to do so, and appointed a new principal. However, he is a good principal. Say, are you planning to run for election since most lawyers are either consultant or politician. hahaha

Maybe...that's one of the reason I wanna become a lawyer. Which party should I join? Haha

[Boyz_Zoo]

Maybe...that's one of the reason I wanna become a lawyer. Which party should I join? Haha
Up to you. My choice DAP. Anyway, let's change thread. our discussion is irrelevant to Mahathir. Let's go to What you don't like about Malaysia (http://www.recom.org/forum/showthread.php?t=7044).

[cuppycake]

Wah, La Salle school. hey, i heard the last of the La Salle brothers is going to retire soon. How bad. We truly need this dedicated people. I really respect St. Francis. U wanna know racist school? We have a lot. Maktab rendah sains, MARA school, agama school, SMJKC, UIAM, USIM. All dominated by one race. What a shame..

yeah, such a shame. i read your post that was on The Star. You made me felt relieve. I thought I'm the only one thinking that way. When people talk about abolishing such schools, they say, it's for racial integration. How is segregating the students become racial integration?
i'd like to add though, UIAM is not exactly dominated by one race, it's antarabangsa.. a lot of international, arabic-speaking students there. non-malays (all the students actually) can study there but have to follow a strict dress code :notrust

[SapphireDragon]

yeah, such a shame. i read your post that was on The Star. You made me felt relieve. I thought I'm the only one thinking that way. When people talk about abolishing such schools, they say, it's for racial integration. How is segregating the students become racial integration?
i'd like to add though, UIAM is not exactly dominated by one race, it's antarabangsa.. a lot of international, arabic-speaking students there. non-malays (all the students actually) can study there but have to follow a strict dress code :notrust

Haha, thanks for yur compliments about The Star article. Yes, I know UIAM is not dominated by one race: even Batu Gajah DAP MP Fong Po Kuan is from UIAM. Planning to write more articles about our education system in the future. Here's my article (http://lwjheaven.blogspot.com/2009/04/thats-me-on-star.html). Just click the link to The Star Oline to read.

[yanno_yamster]

Missionary schools may have been once the place to promote Christianity, but they really are the ones truly reflecting the sekolah kebangsaan title...

[Boyz_Zoo]

Missionary schools may have been once the place to promote Christianity, but they really are the ones truly reflecting the sekolah kebangsaan title...
Yes, I totally agree. Though missionary schools uses English as the lingua franca, but many people from different races come together without thing, " he is another race, better don't talk to him" Though, secondary missionary is tainted by some students from chinese primary school who like to form their own group, most of us get along well.