I think what people is trying to tell you shuwenteo, is that local universities are not full of trash.
If I have 10 friends whom were all local grads, then you're basically telling us that 5 or more of them are trash.
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For the whole previous education - primary and secondary school - the whole aim of it was to... guess what? pass exams. Just look at the proliferation of "past year exam papers", "practice exams", tuition centers and teachers that "teach to the test", and a rigid exam scoring system (write *this* or else you wont score) ... it imbues the passing exam is everything mentality.
I suppose its a reactive "But Thats What I'm Doing - I'm studying to PASS damnit and pass is all i need to do" from my part.. because thats *exactly* what I'm doing.
The difference is - there is absolutely no way I can "study to the test" in my course. Not when the exam is entitled "Medicine Year 5". So, the only approach is to learn, learn, learn - random facts, looking up stuff, practicing skills, being around at the wards, attending tutorials / lectures (so easy to skip, but thats knowledge lost), come back after hours.... thats what we do in order to pass.
If you can't fix the student, fix the system.
Do away with rigid formula based exams - test understanding of concepts instead of formulae.
Then, even if ppl do "study to the test" ... they gain real knowledge.
[I feel the big gap in standard is more to the fact that lecturers in public uni, from my knowledge, Have to Pass a certain % of people... there is No Way that they can fail people on basis on incompetency when the whole class is incompetent... When your grading scale is relative, you are screwed when the whole class starts at a poor standard.]
with the above being said, how do u expect a person to actually become "mediocre" or "exceptional" in the first place? Is it not because of how one is being educated? not because of the institution one was in beforehand?
Are u proposing that a person development entirely depends on that person solely n not in any way related to his/her alma mater? dont u find it a lil bit contradicting? no?
(Like isn't that the ******* point of Liberal Arts Education?? That undergraduate education should serve other purposes other than as a stepping stone to one's future career.)
Just for your information, a university such as University of Malaya does not solely produce your typical accountant/engineer who goes for an interview in a suit for some MNC in KL. Many universities in Malaysia play a huge contribution to the social science in this country. We produce thousands of graduates in Malay literature, Chinese literature, Tamil studies, Performing Arts, Music, Arabic studies, Syariah law, Islamic studies...who are generally not exposed to English in tertiary education. Therefore, I'm a bit concerned if you're labelling these group of people as 'thrash' too. (I hope I'm wrong). Also, do you label those who further their studies in Taiwan, South Korea, Japan and Germany for engineering as 'thrash' too, since they don't converse in the English language there?
Anyway, we've already pointed out that, even among the conventional graduates who will be absorbed into the typical MNC job market, they are exceptions to this group of local graduates you label 'thrash'. We've also reminded you time and again that it is not appropriate for you to keep going on with your 'So yeah they're thrash' rhetoric...and unfairly indicating that ALL local grads are 'thrash'.
Alas, I can't help but notice that, despite you being exposed to SO MANY THINGS in your so-called 'superior liberal arts education in the US', they certainly didnt taught you one thing there: HUMILITY.
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8 pages in, it seems like whatever needs saying has already been said (or, at least, there's not much new that hasn't been said). The amount of breakthrough in attempting to change another's mindset and worldview has been disappointing. The conversation feels largely like an exchange of many words of sense with one line of whatdoesthishavetodowithanything.
My conclusion is: don't feed the troll. 0.o
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People, people. If you wanna discuss something, please make sure you make, speak, and type refined sense. Everyone else, remember:
1. Inborn; natural.
2. Originating in the mind.)
Because calibre is innate, you don't need an institution to determine your success. It is regardless of how one is being educated by an institution. I'd say that other influences bear more significance such as upbringing, peer influence, the person's natural curiosity. Sure, the institution may have SOME influence but the significance of it, in my opinion, does not weigh heavy.
And yes. I do think that a person's development depends SOLELY on the character of a person. His or her alma mater will play a small influence, but nothing significant that we can safely direct back at the alma mater. Take for example the number of successful people in this world - you will find people in equal proportions who attended prestigious and non-prestigious universities. Look at the number of unsuccessful people - they too exist in equal proportions. There is little correlation between a person's success being determined by the prestige of the school.
(If you want further proof, I'd be happy to list a few people)
So, no. Your personal example is NOT relevant to society.