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    Default Aerospace Engineering

    I was wondering why there isn't such a thread in this Sig forum.

    Anyway, I am already offered to study Aerospace Engineering in Nanyang Technological University (NTU), Singapore, but I'm not sure if I really want to go there instead of National Univeristy of Singapore (NUS). Btw, NUS does not offer Aerospace Engineering but both universities have an aerospace specialisation under Mechanical Engineering. I've have chosen Material Science and Engineering for NUS.

    What do you think of the future prospects of aerospace engineering? I'm a bit worried because it is rather specialised and even from the first year our syllabus is not the same with other engineering courses. I'm also worried that taking up this course would render me less versatile, lets say compared to a mechanical engineering graduate, when something pops up that makes it hard to find a job. Concerning interest, I am rather interested in this field of study so I have no problems for that. Any other things that I'll have to consider?

    Oh, and another thing is, if I take up this course in NTU, I'll be in the first batch of graduates. What are the pros and cons of this?
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    I was wondering why there isn't such a thread in this Sig forum.
    err... maybe there arent that many aerospace students who joins this sig? dunno...

    i cant comment much on the choice of univ's, since i dont know any of them (apart from name and where they are at). but if you have the luxury to go and visit the U, i would encourage you to do so. there are a few things you wanna look for, such as the facilities available (com labs, softwares available, hands-on opportunity, etc.), existing research, resources (aerospace related books in the library), the aerospace 'community', etc. that will give you a better view on which U is better on aerospace eng.

    as far as the comparison with mechanical engineering students, i would say that the courses, although on paper they are different, theoretically speaking they are more or less the same. you will learn the same theory what others learn, but the only difference is on the application and examples given, which will be focused on aerospace stuff. maybe during your late third year and fourth year , the courses offered will be different, depending on your area of specialty. nevertheless, for an aerospace eng to move to mechanical is very easy and most employers dont care anyway, as long as you know the concepts but for a mechanical to get into aerospace... hmm, im kinda sceptical on that since the student wasnt exposed to the 'environment'...

    and as for the field of work... heh, in malaysia, there are some aerospace related jobs available but the only problem here is it is very limited and not open to public. it seems that the aerospace community in malaysia is somewhat close - any news, updates, openings, etc are spread between themselves and very rarely it is disclosed to the public... kire kinda conservative laa... and im talking more on r&d work. if maintenance is the topic at hand, its a hold different topic since there are almost no secret on mas nor airasia

    what to consider? my take is your interest, since thats what drives me anyway plus it seems that you have 4-5 more years to go before worrying about jobs... so at least be optimistic on this and that will also help you going...

    about being the first batch. wow, youll be the pioneer but do know that being pioneer means you are being their gunnea-pig (spelling betul ke?) as well. plus, as it may have occured in your mind that no new things came out as sth perfect...

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    hi,

    true that not many M'sians are doing this course...think it's only me & gonjeng in this forum =)

    I think S'pore's engineering courses are really quite good...and they have the industry to back it up....e.g. ST-Aero is pretty good & they have close links with the Israel defence industry...

    ...not too sure about M'sia, the only name I've heard of is Excelnet & CTRM

    btw speaking from my university's point of view, undergraduate courses in aero eng is something like doing mechanical engineering in the 1st 2 years except that we don't spend alot of time on the manufacturing standards, workshop time, etc but more focus on fluid dynamics and aircraft structures. I'm finding it quite difficult sometimes 'cos some subjects that I learn in my 1st year is learnt by a 2rd year Mech Eng student...and we have more classes & projects than them.

    Lots of Mathematics in it - a lot on calculus, complex nos, matrices. In your final 2 years, there'll be options for you to take & this will lead you to your specialisation like Structures/Aerodynamics/Materials/Control Systems...

    ...basically, i think it's one of the tougher courses to take so just be prepared for it.

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    excelnet and ctrm have too many politics in it, hence you need good networking to get in. well unless none of the ppl they know can fill in the position, then you may get in. besides that, mas has a so-called r&d department - the research/investigation done is mainly on the engines (increase performance, trobleshooting, etc.) and i was told that they 'played' around with winglets as well. sth like an adds-on to make it better - and from my resources, the design was successful that boeing acknowledged it.

    the coursework you mentioned is somewhat similar to what i went through. i bet its about the same for everybody apparent different can only be seen once you get into your third and fourth year.

    and mathematics? muahaha... shouldnt that be expected if you want to take engineering courses? but then, it also depends on your prof, whether he/she is more on the theories or application. i like the later, since it involves less derivation (whats the point of deriving what others have derived?) but more on real application...

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    so what are the options in Malaysia then?

    I was recommended to enquire about opportunities in Aeronimbus, an Indo-Malaysian company...but can't find much info on the company.

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    Thanks to all of you who posted. Gives me a clearer insight to the course and future prospects.

    I was thinking of working in Singapore after I graduate anyway, especially if I'm tied down by the 3-years bond for Tuition Grant (some type of subsidy). The people from the Economic Development Board (EDB) of Singapore said they needed 150 Aerospace Engineers a year to sustain their operations, but NTU started off with only 60 places (however, I heard they allowed 120 people).

    Um... anyone knows if the pay is good?
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    150 aerospace engineers a year? That's quite a lot...which are the companies offering places? Graduating in 1.5 years time, need a job hehe =)

    also, for those aspiring to be aerospace/aeronautical engineers, students or are just aerospace enthusiast, feel free to join this group I've just setup called Aerospace Malaysia (Aero-M) - aimed at linking all the aerospace professionals & students in Malaysia:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/aerom/join/

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    heh weich, so you are the 'kepala' of aero-m... i'm shazlan anyhow, for more info on the aero. companies in mesia, refer to nadia's reply in the yahoogroups. anyhow, below are some other company listing i got from her:

    1. Metal Manufacturing
    - SME Aerospace, Sg Buloh

    2. Composite manufacturing
    - CTRM (ACT/ Eagle - they are one group), Melacca
    - Asian Composite Manufacturing, ACM (boeing wing panels), Kedah

    3. Design/ R&D
    - Excelnet, Cyberjaya
    - Design Center, SME Aviation

    4. Simulator/Software
    - Sapura Technology; Hawk Mk208 simulator
    - Ikramatic Systems; PC7 & Eurocopter AS355N simulator
    - Zetro Aerospace

    5. Maintenance
    - Airod; C130
    - ATSC; MiG29N
    - Airod Turbopower; Rolls Royce T56/501 Engine MRO
    - Airod Alenia
    - SME Aviation; MD3 & Mi-171
    All of the above comes under one group
    - MAS

    bp_ffei... i am thinking of trying to work for a few years (3-5 years maybe) in singapore as well... do you have any links to give a start? few names of companies maybe? also, does a-star has any project related to aerospace?

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    I don't think A*Star has any projects related to aerospace. Their website is http://www.a-star.edu.sg/astar/index.do They mostly do research on bio- and nano- stuff.

    Concerning aerospace companies in Singapore... I was told by an NTU prof that they have cooperations with Rolls-Royce, General Electric, and Pratt & Whitney.

    On the brochure they gave us a sample of potential employers. These include (in addition to what I've already mentioned):

    - Messier-Dowly, Messier Services, Messier-Bugatti, Turbomeca, Labinal (all under Snecma Group)
    - The Nordam Group
    - Liebherr
    - Smiths Industries Aerospace
    - Boeing
    - Honeywell
    - Goodrich
    - Thales
    - Hamilton Sundstrand
    - Singapore Technologies Aerospace
    - Telair International
    - EADS Airbus
    - Airfoil Technologies International (ATI)
    - Singapore Airlines
    - Kidde
    - SALE
    - Bae Systems
    - Rockwell Collins
    - Windsor Airmotive
    - Eurocopter

    However, I am not sure if all these companies have operations in Singapore... I guess you'll just have to see which one you're interested in and check out their website to see if they have operations in Singapore...

    Anyway, gonjeng, why are you thinking of working in Singapore?
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    err... why? why not? hehehe...

    some of the reasons are:

    1. my interest is in doing research/design and i know, is malaysia the opportunities to do research/design in the aero field is very very very very limited - unless if i work under univ. as a prof (err... i dont think i can do teaching very well ). plus if there are companies who do such work, i can imagine the influence of politics in it . simply look at what happened to eagle...

    2. singapore is called the 'aerospace hub' in SEA. there should be a reason why singapore is labelled as such. thus, i want to know by experiencing it (the technology, facilities, etc.). then, later down the road, optimisticaly thinking, the stuff learnt can be brought into malaysia to improve the industry here

    3. jauh berjalan, luas pandangan - simply said. ive work with americans here, thus i learnt their attitude in handling stuff. im refering to the good ones (as compared to mesian) only, though i bet you all are aware they have some notorious attitude as well i want to learn/observe the same thing also, thus explain to myself why and how singapore develop faster than malaysia

    those are some brief and quick points. details and elaboration are omitted since time is limited for me need some more?

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