UM medic or Perdana University?

[podrunner]

Originally Posted by zanyzephyr

Please, get your facts right. USM degree is even recognized wider than Perdana University's degree which have yet to produce even their first batch of graduates. Go do your homework first before flaunting universities with random tie ups, because those are nothing but just brands which allows the government to churn the taxpayer's money.

Seriously, do you even know the criterion in degree awarding and accreditation medical education? PMC used to have their degree recognized and so-to-speak tied up with the RCSI, but too bad their standard was compromised because of the last 3 clinical years, not being done and scrutinized by the management of RCSI.

Take up local public universities people, UM, UKM or USM. The last time I checked, Singapore and US still recognize the degree from USM and UKM. As for Perdana university, go research HARDER. John Hopkins or not, its just the brand. Seriously.

May I know where it is stated that SMC recognises USM's basic medical degree? The list I have currently list only UM and UKM.

Also, do read what I wrote properly, especially the words "if" and "likelihood", which would have indicated my doubts as to the certainty of the PU and RCSI arrangement.

And seriously, why so antsy and defensive? The tie-ups are mentioned in Perdana's website.

http://www.perdanauniversity.edu.my/...grammes/purcsi

Whether or not it will suffer the same fate as PMC, time will tell. FYI, my relative was offered a place in PU-RCSI program, that "with your results, you will definitely get a JPA scholarship for this course", and NO, this offer was not entertained by the relative.

[plawks]

Originally Posted by zanyzephyr

Take up local public universities people, UM, UKM or USM. The last time I checked, Singapore and US still recognize the degree from USM and UKM. As for Perdana university, go research HARDER. John Hopkins or not, its just the brand. Seriously.

This guy here is right.

For US, to practice medicine one must take the United States Medical Licensing Examination (USMLE). Students and graduates of medical schools outside the United States or Canada register for Step 1 and Step 2 with the Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG). Source: USMLE wiki page

International medical students/graduates must submit an Application for ECFMG Certification before they can apply to ECFMG for examination. The Application for ECFMG Certification consists of questions that require applicants to confirm their identity, contact information, and graduation from or enrollment in a medical school that is listed in the International Medical Education Directory (IMED). Source: Educational Commission for Foreign Medical Graduates (ECFMG) Requirements for Certification


Source: International Medical Education Directory (IMED) search results

PU-RCSI isn't listed in IMED so graduates are not eligible to register for USMLE with ECFMG. This is for US lah.

For Singapore, simply check Singapore Medical Council List of Registrable Basic Medical Qualifications (pdf). Only UM and UKM medical qualifications are recognized.

On the other hand, none of Malaysia's dental degrees are recognized in Singapore. Source: Singapore Dental Council List of Registrable Basic Dental Qualifications (pdf)
Whereas for pharmacy, only USM is recognized by Singapore. Source: Singapore Pharmacy Council's Recognized Qualifications (pdf)

[kun_JK92]

Originally Posted by plawks

Only UM and UKM medical qualifications are recognized in singapore.
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Hard fact. People always commenting about quality of private medical degrees in Malaysia but few know about there aren't much differences between them if they intend to stay in Malaysia. A PU-RCSI student cant go Singapore although RM800 000 has been spent. Sweat...

[Curious101]

Originally Posted by podrunner

May I know where it is stated that SMC recognises USM's basic medical degree? The list I have currently list only UM and UKM.

Also, do read what I wrote properly, especially the words "if" and "likelihood", which would have indicated my doubts as to the certainty of the PU and RCSI arrangement.

And seriously, why so antsy and defensive? The tie-ups are mentioned in Perdana's website.

http://www.perdanauniversity.edu.my/...grammes/purcsi

Whether or not it will suffer the same fate as PMC, time will tell. FYI, my relative was offered a place in PU-RCSI program, that "with your results, you will definitely get a JPA scholarship for this course", and NO, this offer was not entertained by the relative.

hi there...i sw yr link and was just wondering why isn't USM recognised by Singapore compared to um & ukm? any idea??

[podrunner]

Originally Posted by Curious101

hi there...i sw yr link and was just wondering why isn't USM recognised by Singapore compared to um & ukm? any idea??

Probably does not yet meet SMC's criteria.

[zanyzephyr]

Originally Posted by podrunner

May I know where it is stated that SMC recognises USM's basic medical degree? The list I have currently list only UM and UKM.

Also, do read what I wrote properly, especially the words "if" and "likelihood", which would have indicated my doubts as to the certainty of the PU and RCSI arrangement.

And seriously, why so antsy and defensive? The tie-ups are mentioned in Perdana's website.

http://www.perdanauniversity.edu.my/...grammes/purcsi

Whether or not it will suffer the same fate as PMC, time will tell. FYI, my relative was offered a place in PU-RCSI program, that "with your results, you will definitely get a JPA scholarship for this course", and NO, this offer was not entertained by the relative.

Fine, so USM is off the chart, but UKM was in. I don't exactly remember the exact details, pardon that, but I know USM is in the States list, as for UKM in Sg and States.

Perdana U is so new, heck I wonder if they even have a teaching hospital for the clinical years.

I didn't really comprehend "FYI, my relative was offered a place in PU-RCSI program, that "with your results, you will definitely get a JPA scholarship for this course", and NO, this offer was not entertained by the relative."

So, did relative X take up the offer or not? And how did JPA come into the picture?

Believe or not, JPA definitely pops in. Its because that's the way the parties behind make money out of the taxpayers' cash. Ask the students there, I can bet at least 70% are JPA scholars.

As for USM's case of not being recognized by Singapore, doesn't matter much. What matters is USM does have a clinical hospital whereby Perdana U is hanging high and dry without a proper direction in ways that their student probably have no idea where.

Believe it or not, Malaysian budding doctors still have yet to know what is up for them. All, I mean ALL of the Monash Sunway students I've met in my first sem in med school never knew they had to undergo 2+3 years of HO and MO till they can set down to even consider specializing.

Seriously, how ignorant can the budding medical students get? It's really infuriating.

[podrunner]

Originally Posted by zanyzephyr

Fine, so USM is off the chart, but UKM was in. I don't exactly remember the exact details, pardon that, but I know USM is in the States list, as for UKM in Sg and States.

Perdana U is so new, heck I wonder if they even have a teaching hospital for the clinical years.

I didn't really comprehend "FYI, my relative was offered a place in PU-RCSI program, that "with your results, you will definitely get a JPA scholarship for this course", and NO, this offer was not entertained by the relative."

So, did relative X take up the offer or not? And how did JPA come into the picture?

Believe or not, JPA definitely pops in. Its because that's the way the parties behind make money out of the taxpayers' cash. Ask the students there, I can bet at least 70% are JPA scholars.

As for USM's case of not being recognized by Singapore, doesn't matter much. What matters is USM does have a clinical hospital whereby Perdana U is hanging high and dry without a proper direction in ways that their student probably have no idea where.

Believe it or not, Malaysian budding doctors still have yet to know what is up for them. All, I mean ALL of the Monash Sunway students I've met in my first sem in med school never knew they had to undergo 2+3 years of HO and MO till they can set down to even consider specializing.

Seriously, how ignorant can the budding medical students get? It's really infuriating.

Did not even consider it, as the general feeling of PU was one of "dodginess". Decision was made to pursue medical degree in the UK, thus avoiding all the uncertainties and limitations of IPTS.

As far as JPA is concerned, let's just say that JPA, RCSI (plus a few more) and even MARA are all in cahoots together.

As for ignorance of aspiring medical students, I've read my share of unbelievable questions and comments. BUT, at least they asked the questions, and hopefully learned or were made aware, by answers from those in the know. Never knew getting into medical school would involve so many factors!

[BeBeSee]

Originally Posted by zanyzephyr

Please, get your facts right. USM degree is even recognized wider than Perdana University's degree which have yet to produce even their first batch of graduates. Go do your homework first before flaunting universities with random tie ups, because those are nothing but just brands which allows the government to churn the taxpayer's money.

Seriously, do you even know the criterion in degree awarding and accreditation medical education? PMC used to have their degree recognized and so-to-speak tied up with the RCSI, but too bad their standard was compromised because of the last 3 clinical years, not being done and scrutinized by the management of RCSI.

Take up local public universities people, UM, UKM or USM. The last time I checked, Singapore and US still recognize the degree from USM and UKM. As for Perdana university, go research HARDER. John Hopkins or not, its just the brand. Seriously.

Hi,

PURCSI graduates won't be getting a degree from Perdana. After 5 years, graduates will receive a degree which is identical to Royal College of Surgeons, Ireland; differ from PMC degree. If you have done some research, you will realize that the faculties are outstanding.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6750290&type=3

I do agree that RM800,000 is ridiculous. However, there are 2 schools in Perdana University; RCSI and John Hopkins. RCSI is excellent in everything, but Perdana administration is quite annoying.

All the best

[podrunner]

Originally Posted by BeBeSee

Hi,

PURCSI graduates won't be getting a degree from Perdana. After 5 years, graduates will receive a degree which is identical to Royal College of Surgeons, Ireland; differ from PMC degree. If you have done some research, you will realize that the faculties are outstanding.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6750290&type=3

I do agree that RM800,000 is ridiculous. However, there are 2 schools in Perdana University; RCSI and John Hopkins. RCSI is excellent in everything, but Perdana administration is quite annoying.

All the best

For about RM100k more, one can get a medical degree from a russell group uk medical school. ;)

It's JohnS Hopkins, and I believe this is the graduate entry program, which is set to commence this September? Or was it last September?

[zanyzephyr]

Originally Posted by BeBeSee

Hi,

PURCSI graduates won't be getting a degree from Perdana. After 5 years, graduates will receive a degree which is identical to Royal College of Surgeons, Ireland; differ from PMC degree. If you have done some research, you will realize that the faculties are outstanding.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...6750290&type=3

I do agree that RM800,000 is ridiculous. However, there are 2 schools in Perdana University; RCSI and John Hopkins. RCSI is excellent in everything, but Perdana administration is quite annoying.

All the best

Monash University Sunway is also conducting their program in a similar manner, in which the degree is identical to that of the one from Monash Clayton. But let's face the facts, all DEVELOPED countries are pretty stringent on their degree selection. Let's make it much easier by focusing on the ones near us. Singapore, its not in the list. Australia, definitely not. UK, are you sure?

When your clinical studies are performed offshore from the institution of degree awarding, your credibility is already void whether you like it or not. The countries such as Singapore, US and UK are very keen in selecting recognized degree with clinical years practice in country which you receive your degree from.

As we are back to UM vs Perdana, UM over Perdana all the way, credibility wise or experience wise. Perdana is way too new. All programs performed offshore are subjected to credibility scrutiny as well as suspicion. Whether or not the faculties are excellent, we should see when the graduates are being released into the market to serve.