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ianbyc 23-01-2009 10:38 PM

Bond to JPA
 
What is your opinion about this? Of course, we should be grateful, no questions asked. But is serving your country what you REALLY wanted? I know some friends who prefer to migrate and say a lot of shortcomings about the government. I have nothing against them but somehow I dislike people who are unpatriotic.

I say that with dignity even though I have to serve 10 years after coming back, since I'm doing medicine.

youngyew 23-01-2009 10:52 PM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
What is your definition of patriotism?

For many, serving the country is not the main problem, the horrendous working condition is what is hindering them from coming back. Better pay in foreign countries, yes; but with a starting salary approaching 4k, this is no longer that big of a issue for new medicine graduates.

Miracle_seed 24-01-2009 01:25 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by youngyew (Post 211655)
For many, serving the country is not the main problem, the horrendous working condition is what is hindering them from coming back. Better pay in foreign countries, yes; but with a starting salary approaching 4k, this is no longer that big of a issue for new medicine graduates.

Working condition is the main aspect to improve for doctors working in government hospital. Anyway I was wondering, since statistics shows that there will be more doctors than enough approaching year 2015, will the heavy workload be reduced then?

youngyew 24-01-2009 01:55 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
Total number of doctors is not the only factor affecting the workload. The distribution of responsibilities, the geographical distribution as well as the number of specialists are very important too. There is no point having thousands of doctors when a significant proportion of them end up serving in unpopular small clinics, opening cosmetic stores or earning big buck in the private hospitals (not to discredit the contribution of those in the said fields)

Glassylicious 24-01-2009 02:21 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ianbyc (Post 211654)
What is your opinion about this? Of course, we should be grateful, no questions asked. But is serving your country what you REALLY wanted? I know some friends who prefer to migrate and say a lot of shortcomings about the government. I have nothing against them but somehow I dislike people who are unpatriotic.

I say that with dignity even though I have to serve 10 years after coming back, since I'm doing medicine.

Well, to be honest, I don't really see any problem with how they feel about their bond as long as they actually serve the bond as stipulated. =P If they were REALLY unpatriotic they'd just run away to another country without serving the bond.

My only concerns are that I might rot working in a government office, given the working environment and conditions there. *sighs* This is assuming they DO have a job for me though.

slumber 24-01-2009 03:37 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
its not about patriotic, some people just hate to be attach but prefer to be pampered

youngyew 24-01-2009 11:41 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
Slumber, if you know a bit more about the working environment of our government hospital, I guarantee you won't say that.

slumber 24-01-2009 07:09 PM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
why is it so? explain to me.
im afraid u dont understand with what i said.

youngyew 25-01-2009 02:38 AM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
You assumed that people don't come back just because they are "pampered", and as a person in the know, I respectfully disagree as I know for a fact that this is untrue. So if you are afraid that I didn't understand you, would you mind to elaborate on your point?

The working condition in the government hospitals have long been known to be grueling - imagine having to work 36 hours non-stop at least once every week during your first two years. Having to deal with grumpy seniors (yes colleagues in our hospitals can be very hostile, partly attributable to the lack of sleep and the enormous amount of stress). Racism, favoritism and egotism abound.

This is a rather huge part of why people are not coming back. You mentioned that people don't want to be attached and bound to government service, that I concur - staying back in the government hospital mean that you need to deal with low pay even by the time you become a specialist, and that is definitely not what most people look forward to. However, to oversimplify the whole issue as a matter of "people becoming too pampered" is most untrue - it's not as simple as that. Talk to someone in the government hospital - sometimes they are even sicker than the patients from over-exertion.

slumber 25-01-2009 03:23 PM

Re: Bond to JPA
 
see, u dont understand my point.. what im saying is,
dont like being attach = bond 10 years
but loved to be pampered = they want the scholarships (as if like pampered) but dont like to be attach ( which is bond for ten years ).some people like me doesnt like the 10 years bond with the government as i dont like to be working in the same condition for ten years.

my mind doesnt complicated as yours. sorry for the interrupting this conversation.


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