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  #161 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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Pooled random effects (odds ratios) for respiratory symptoms in children associated with parental smoking
Either parent smokes One parent smokes Both parents smoke OR 95 percent CI N OR 95 percent CI N OR 95 percent CI N Asthma 1.23 (1.14 to 1.33) (31) 1.01 (0.84 to 1.22) (7) 1.42 (1.30 to 1.56) (10) Wheeze 1.26 (1.20 to 1.33) (45) 1.18 (1.10 to 1.26) (13) 1.41 (1.23 to 1.63) (14) Cough 1.35 (1.27 to 1.43) (39) 1.27 (1.14 to 1.41) (1 1.64 (1.48 to 1.81) (1 Phlegm 1.35 (1.30 to 1.41) (10) 1.24 (1.10 to 1.39) (7) 1.42 (1.19 to 1.70) (6) Breathlessness 1.31 (1.14 to 1.50) (6)
Note: Number of studies in parentheses.
Excluding EC study, in which the pooled odds ratio was 1.20.
Data for phlegm and breathlessness restricted as several comparisons are based on fewer than five studies.
Adapted from USDHHS 2006, The Surgeon General's Report.

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Okay now for the interpretation of the gibberish above. Basically medical scientists did some research about the risk of respiratory symptoms in children whose both parents smoke. This is the result found:

Asthma: 1.30 to 1.56 times risk compared to other children
Wheeze: 1.23 to 1.63 times
Cough: 1.48 to 1.81 times
Phlegm: 1.19 to 1.70 times

Lung cancer: In a population based, case-control study, household exposure to 25 or more smoker-years during childhood and adolescence doubled the risk of lung cancer, whereas exposure to fewer than 25 smoker-years did not increase the risk.

Compare this to a smoker's lifetime risk:

Active smoking was strongly associated with the incidence of asthma and wheezing illnesses between the ages of 17 and 33 (OR=4.42, 95% CI 3.31-5.92) after controlling for a variety of factors, including gender, maternal age, birth order, gestational age, hay fever, eczema, father's social class, and maternal smoking.

A retrospective cohort study (n=8045) found that continuous smokers were more likely than never smokers to develop COPD [chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, a devastating condition where people cough everyday and have breathing obstruction chronically) over 25 years (36 versus 8 percent) [5].

Lung cancer: Estimates of the relative risk of lung cancer in the long-term smoker compared with the lifetime nonsmoker vary from 10- to 30-fold. The cumulative lung cancer risk among heavy smokers may be as high as 30 percent, compared with a lifetime risk of lung cancer of 1 percent or less in nonsmokers

This was from a respected medical resource (UpToDate). The link is here but unfortunately you need a username and password to view the content.
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  #162 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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i wonder if any of you people rambling about smoking are actually smokers...only a smoker can understand a smoker.smoking is a necessity for smokers.without cigarettes they will drown...literally...what if someone asks you to stop breathing?thats how smokers will feel if smoking is banned.
Actually, literally, some smokers drown when they get pulmonary oedema from lung infections.

Smoking is an addiction and a habit. Treat both and you have a smoke free smoker. That's why there's behavioral interventions and pharmacological treatments for people to wean off smoking.

All the patients I see that stopped smoking tells me they are happier as a non-smoker. Half regretted starting it in the first place, about 10% is no longer alive at the moment.
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  #163 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

King James 1 actually wrote an edict to outlaw smoking in Britain. Unfortunately, it was not passed through. If he succeeded, a lot of people would have been healthier....

On the question whether Malaysia should ban smoking...useless. As long as people want to smoke they'll find a way and black markets will flourish. The only way to stop ppl smoking is that the people themselves should realise smoking kills.

I once read this in a newspaper. Definitions :

Cigarette : A stick with fire at one end and a fool on the other
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  #164 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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King James 1 actually wrote an edict to outlaw smoking in Britain. Unfortunately, it was not passed through. If he succeeded, a lot of people would have been healthier....

On the question whether Malaysia should ban smoking...useless. As long as people want to smoke they'll find a way and black markets will flourish. The only way to stop ppl smoking is that the people themselves should realise smoking kills.

I once read this in a newspaper. Definitions :

Cigarette : A stick with fire at one end and a fool on the other
Yes, i agree with you. That is what is happening to drugs. However, by banning it the number of smokers will decrease dramatically.
Though they may have realise the side effects of smoking, it might be too late. Furthermore, it is not easy quit smoking as it can cause a lot of effects like depression.
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  #165 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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King James 1 actually wrote an edict to outlaw smoking in Britain. Unfortunately, it was not passed through. If he succeeded, a lot of people would have been healthier....

On the question whether Malaysia should ban smoking...useless. As long as people want to smoke they'll find a way and black markets will flourish. The only way to stop ppl smoking is that the people themselves should realise smoking kills.

I once read this in a newspaper. Definitions :

Cigarette : A stick with fire at one end and a fool on the other
Hehe!

Imagine this:

Normal situation -
Legal: 1000 containers of cigarettes imported each year.
Black Market: 100 containers imported each year

Banned (if what u suggesting will happen)
Legal: 0 containers imported
Black market: 1100 containers imported to cope with same demand.

Plausible? Probably not rite? They can't possible smuggle through that much. What happens?

Stock of total (legal and black market) cigarettes decreases. Price of each pack increases due to over demand.

Outcome: Less people get access to cigarettes. Harder for children to pick up cigarettes after they leave school (compared to going to kopitiam and buying them on the day they graduate) and less affordable to most people.

Good, no?
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  #166 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

Here's my view on this.

Firstly, let's consider the objective of "banning smoking". "Health of the people" is usually the most common reason cited for this. Facts and statistics have been provided, stating that people inhaling the [second-hand] smoke are also at risk rather than just the smokers themselves.

That's fine.

So some people say "Hey, it's bad for your health-lah, come on, let's ban smoking-lah!"

But we do need to consider the other camp. More often than not, smokers are addicted and they honestly can't stop themselves. Echoing Zeroth's anecdote, I knew of friends who told me that they really regretted smoking and now they are unwillingly hooked. Some of them couldn't afford nicotine patches for a long-term "treatment" and have had relapses several times.

By mindlessly banning smoking, we are essentially leaving the smokers out in the cold and telling them "It's your problem now, deal with it". Where do they go? What do they do? You need to realize that a lot of smokers actually do want to quit, but it's just really tough for them to do it alone and without a deep pocket of money.

The National Health Service in the UK provides free help and service for those who want to quit smoking. Why don't we try that suggestion out? Also, in the UK, cigarettes are expensive so that deters smokers a fair bit.
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  #167 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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Hehe!

Imagine this:

Normal situation -
Legal: 1000 containers of cigarettes imported each year.
Black Market: 100 containers imported each year

Banned (if what u suggesting will happen)
Legal: 0 containers imported
Black market: 1100 containers imported to cope with same demand.

Plausible? Probably not rite? They can't possible smuggle through that much. What happens?

Stock of total (legal and black market) cigarettes decreases. Price of each pack increases due to over demand.

Outcome: Less people get access to cigarettes. Harder for children to pick up cigarettes after they leave school (compared to going to kopitiam and buying them on the day they graduate) and less affordable to most people.

Good, no?

Yes it is and I do agree banning can decrease number of smokers. But this is a short-term plan only, we must find ways to reduce smokers voluntarily and not throught court of law. (and i know it's easier said than done..)

Look at singapore who banned chewing gum. The citizens troop over to Johor, munch how much gum they want and leave the disgusting gum in public places. Hey, afterall, they're not in their own country where they'll be fined to the teeth...
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  #168 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

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Here's my view on this.

Firstly, let's consider the objective of "banning smoking". "Health of the people" is usually the most common reason cited for this. Facts and statistics have been provided, stating that people inhaling the [second-hand] smoke are also at risk rather than just the smokers themselves.

That's fine.

So some people say "Hey, it's bad for your health-lah, come on, let's ban smoking-lah!"

But we do need to consider the other camp. More often than not, smokers are addicted and they honestly can't stop themselves. Echoing Zeroth's anecdote, I knew of friends who told me that they really regretted smoking and now they are unwillingly hooked. Some of them couldn't afford nicotine patches for a long-term "treatment" and have had relapses several times.

By mindlessly banning smoking, we are essentially leaving the smokers out in the cold and telling them "It's your problem now, deal with it". Where do they go? What do they do? You need to realize that a lot of smokers actually do want to quit, but it's just really tough for them to do it alone and without a deep pocket of money.

The National Health Service in the UK provides free help and service for those who want to quit smoking. Why don't we try that suggestion out? Also, in the UK, cigarettes are expensive so that deters smokers a fair bit.
You are right. However, I am not saying that smoking should banned at short moment. I can't blame you for thinking like that as Malaysian has a habit of rushing this just like how Mahathir reverted Maths & Science back to English at a short time causing teachers that has been teaching Maths and Science in Malay to suffer.

Anyway, back to the topic, when the bill is passed by the Dewan Rakyat (House of Representatives) & Dewan Negara (House of Lords), there will be given a time period before it is totatally banned.

First thing, government has to provide free help and service for those who want to quit smoking just like you said. Then, have to reduce the amount cigarette imported, create awareness, then increase the price of the cigratte and after a few years later, totally ban it.
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  #169 Old 04-05-2009 Default Re: Should Malaysia ban smoking?

Yeah but by banning, the tobacco fields in Malaysia has to be shut down leaving many people jobless in the cigarette industry...There has to be backup plan for these people so that they can make a living and support their families...
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Yeah but by banning, the tobacco fields in Malaysia has to be shut down leaving many people jobless in the cigarette industry...There has to be backup plan for these people so that they can make a living and support their families...
Like this, mind as well, we run for election man. The main topic is should smoking be banned not debating on how to create Ban Smoking bill to be present to Dewan Rakyat. hahaha

If we are doing so, of course we will think of all the consequences and make back plan for it like giving compensation or turning the land once used to be tobacco field into something else like a factory and hire all the retrenched workers.
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