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  #31 Old 19-04-2005 Default

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Patrick - that's a very broad question, albeit one asked very frequently! What exactly do you want to know?
(A very cynical answer would be: 'Life? What life?' but that's not true at all!)
May I know whether you're a student or a working doctor now?
Where did you graduate from/ Where are you studying?
Mmmm...how's the 1st year of ur life as a med student?
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  #32 Old 19-04-2005 Default

To answer your questions:
I qualify next year.
The UK.
1st year... hmm... spent meeting some really cool people, finding my way around the system, relishing the freedom (both academic and personal) which you hardly get in Malaysia, academically: lots of sleeping in lectures, teaching myself pre-clinical medicine, studying 1-2 months before the exams and panicking... ah, memories...
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  #33 Old 20-04-2005 Default

a little off topic, but i do not know how to reach 'guest' otherwise.
wanna ask your opinion (and everyone elses too) on UK's Problem Based Learning..and System Based Learning. Any opinion on which is better for someone who doesn't know which suite him/her better?
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  #34 Old 20-04-2005 Default

Shuly,
Depends what your learning style is really.
I personally didn't like PBL (we had a largely didactic course where I did preclinicals, with a few PBL sessions thrown in - probably because it's the current trend in med ed). This is partly due to me just liking to be force-fed stuff and partly due to the fact that the volume of information to be learnt is so great already, it just made assimilating the info much easier when it was given to you. N.B. Lectures don't cover everything - you will still need to do extra reading. Having said that some people learn better and find that the info sticks with them longer when they have to research a problem - they also claim it helps their problem-solving skills (can't speak as to the veracity of that statement). PBL was initially developed for a graduate medical course in Canada where all the students are more mature and have at least a first degree - it doesn't always work so well with 18 year-olds, especially since most PBL schools use a group method, thus making acheivement of objectives highly dependent on who is in your group. There are mixed views on it really. Interestingly, some people refer to PBL as FOFO (fuck off and find out) .
Systems-based learning - I presume you want a comparison to the old style of learning preclinical medicine by discipline i.e. Anatomy, Biochemistry etc. It's not exactly diametrically opposite to PBL; they are not mutually exclusive. We had a bit of a mix when I did preclinicals, with Anatomy being taught separately, and Physiology and Pharmacology being taught in a systems-based manner. I personally feel it's more sensible learning things by system, but again it's all up to personal preference. You have to cover the same stuff anyway. In the UK only Oxbridge and St. Andrews use the disciplinary approach now.
You might like to start a new thread if you want to continue the discussion.
Where are you headed for your undergraduate training?
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  #35 Old 24-04-2005 Default

hey i am a not-so-exposed and not-yet-matured-enough-to-decide student who has an ambition to do medicine.

my personal opinion is that how much you are being payed as aa doctor shouldn't be such a big issue if you are sincere about the career. I also agree with the fact that it is important to know how much we are going to be paid because everyone is materialistic in a way. many doctors who are working in the government hospitals (talking about the REAL, wanting to help people docs) are not very happy with their salary. hopefully the government does something about it in the future. Not to be greedy, but at least by the time i graduate.

I think everyday if i'm making the right choice to become a doctor. there are like so many doubts that I have. especially about the challenges that I will have to face someday. whether i will be able to cope or not as I haven't gained enough exposure yet to the outside world. I have deep interest in Biology and therefore I'm only left with options like med, dentistry, biotech, biomedical sience etc. sometimes it feels like I'm taking a risk. But at the end of the day I think that everybody wants to enjoy their life in one way or the other, as long as you are happy with your career and ENJOY every part of it, even if you have to work extra hours, what else should one ask for? yes, i'm not an angel i admit. i do hope that the government does something to increase the salary of MO's and trainers.

i've got a question. is it possible to get a medical degree, and later instead of specialising in medicine itself, branch out into some other field like biotech or similiar courses?
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  #36 Old 24-04-2005 Default

Avninva - absolutely. There are doctors who do not practise clinical medicine but spend all their time doing research. The advantage of having a medical degree then is that it will be easier to obtain clinical specimens and have access to patients, if your research needs them. Plus clinical academics earn more than normal researchers
Most clinical academics do a mixture of research and clinical medicine, which I think is a good balance.
I agree it's hard to decide on a career if there's been so little exposure to it during school/college. Medicine is not alone in this though. In terms of clinical medicine, the best thing you could do would be to get some work-shadowing experience in your local hospital/GP surgery/hospice and see what doctors do first-hand. You won't get an all-encompassing view of a medical career (like I said before, it's a broad church and the daily activities are so varied) but it will at least give you an idea of what you could possibly be doing 10 years down the line. If you're still determined, then take the plunge! There is an interesting article in BMJ careers (www.bmjcareers.com) written by either Richard Smith or Rhona Macdonald, I can't remember, with tips for people about to start medical school. It might be worth a read in your case.
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  #37 Old 25-04-2005 Default

avninva,

i'm no medic student myself. however, i am geared towards medicine. i've done attachments and have seen the good and bad side of medicine. i dare not say that i am extremely "in to" medicine as some ppl who i know, but i think i will like it.

i was quite similar to you, as in liking the biology side of science and had taken into consideration other courses. you mentioned about you feeling as though you have to take a risk. i can relate to that as i felt exactly the same way.

what made me choose/decide on this path were the questions i asked myself, "Am i a risk taker? do i want to take the risk? am i ready to face the consequences?". i obtained the answer immediately. i love challenges, and to be able to challenge myself and henceforth my capability, is something that gives me exhilaration (perhaps a little over-stating), but yeah, i like to push myself to be the best i can be, even though it means i have to go through years of toil, sleepless days, the pitiful wage, ...ah, and pre-mature aging! but at the end of the day, knowing that i have done my very best in how i want to live life, i'm satisfied.

i'm not a person who goes for a job just to earn a living, or a person who's primary aim is fame and fortune and i hate being unscrupulous.

therefore, medicine, here i come!
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  #38 Old 03-05-2005 Default

im so disappointed about this page all u guys discuss is out of point u guys didnt mention anything about the salary!according to a magazine titled 'further study intelligence' said the salary of a doctor in us is:

Table of physicians's salary in US

SPECIALTY HIGHEST LOWEST AVERAGE
Primary Care
Family Pratice 197000 111000 142000
Pediatrics 201000 111000 140000
Primary Care Surgical
OB-GYN 350000 184000 238000
Ophthalmology 417000 161000 246000
Internal Medicine Specialties
Neurology 252000 130000 176000
Nephrology 405000 161000 233000
Gastroenterology 381000 179000 250000
Cardiology 434000 186000 283000
Surgical Specialties
Cardiovascular Surgery 852000 351000 558000
Neuro Surgery 713000 279000 438000
Orthopedic Surgery 540000 237000 346000
Plastic Surgery 411000 196000 266000
Vascular Surgery 636000 237000 339000
Miscellaneous Specialties
Dermatology 295000 148000 199000
Hospital Based
Anesthesiology 392000 192000 265000
Radiology 429000 211000 286000



check this Table of physicians's salary in US at http://www.rmuniversity.com/uni_spsu.html
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  #39 Old 03-05-2005 Default

... but bear in mind that what is the case in one part of the world may not hold true for others, as, for example, dermatology is much more popular in the USA compared to, say, the UK, and American radiologists earn more too. You also need to consider the fact that quality of life does not necessarily correspond to the quantum of remuneration - on a superficial level this may be true, and to all intents and purposes is taken to be true, but you also need to factor in things like working hours, risk reduction etc.
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  #40 Old 27-05-2005 Default

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PETALING JAYA: Specialists, medical officers and housemen in government hospitals will get a huge jump in their daily on-call allowances beginning June 1.

Announcing this yesterday, Health Minister Datuk Dr Chua Soi Lek said the RM75 allowance for medical officers would be doubled to RM150 while housemen would get a 400% increase.

The increase was expected to benefit 7,000 medical officers, 700 specialists and 1,000 housemen working in the hospitals.

With the new on-call allowance, housemen can take home an average of RM700 to RM800 more a month.

Currently, they get an average of between RM200 and RM250 monthly as they are paid only RM25 for each on-call duty.

On the average, they do between seven and 13 on-call duties a month.

The Malaysian Medical Association said the new allowances would improve the morale of the medical officers and housemen.

It is believed that the increase would help in reducing the number of doctors quitting the public sector.

Check out TheStar for more.
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