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  #31 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

I concur with your statement, youngyew. A course as critical as medicine, the students should take it with full responsibility and not just fool around like nobody's business. They have to bear in mind that, getting a scholarship for medicine course is not easy, and many well-deserved students are deprived of that opportunity. If they can't even manage their own studies well, and do not uphold moral ethics in dealing with their own examinations, how can we expect them to carry the huge expectation of saving people's lives on their shoulders?

And, for the medical institution mentioned, I suspect that there might be some political agendas behind the scene. We can see that JPA refuses to sponsor stdudents to LSE in the Ivy League Universities Scholarship, but they actually let this happen? The government does not recognise the UEC, but institution with such standard is in the list of overseas universities?

While for the outfit, it's up to personal moral standard and quite subjective to be discussed.
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  #32 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

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And, for the medical institution mentioned, I doubt that there might be some political agendas behind the scene. We can see that JPA refuses to sponsor stdudents to LSE in the Ivy League Universities Scholarship, but they actually let this happen? The government does not recognise the UEC, but institution with such standard is in the list of overseas universities?
Sorry for a digression, just wanted to correct the word usage: I think you mean you suspect rather than doubt. When you say you doubt that [some statement / allegation], it actually means you don't quite believe in that statement / allegation. And I suspect you don't mean that.
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  #33 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

thanks for the correction. Post edited. Mind at 2am was kind of dizzy. =)
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  #34 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

Dun blame the students.They are just victims who are naive enough to trust the government.Their outfits would not affect their studies.

If we sent najib to study medicine in Russia,he would just run to Mongolia to enjoy himself.

We should blame this irresponsible government who is still very willing to give the students scholarship to study medicine in Russia.

Maybe Malaysians are the majority of foreign medical student in Russia,which is the laughing stock of the world.
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  #35 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

Sometimes, it's not all the government's doing. Many people without JPA scholarships are heading to Russia for med education as well because it is cheap and locally recognised.
I highly recommend anyone who's looking at Russia as an option to take some time out and think again. Yes, prestige is a superficial factor and you might overlook the lack of prestige associated with Russian universities. However, we must admit that prestige is somewhat correlated to quality and in a field as hands-on as medicine, the quality of our education may well be the difference between a patient going out through the front end of the hospital and a patient going out through the back end, wrapped in a black bag.
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  #36 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

This is not really relevant to this thread, as I read it on other thread, but I guess I would get a better reply here. Reading on the twinning course for medicine in JPA thread, reminds me about the actual quality of these twinning course.

For example, PMC and MMMC students will do their 2.5 years pre-clinical studies in India and Ireland respectively, and return to continue their clinical part in Malaysia. My question is, how good actually are these twinning courses, since the clinical is done in Malaysia? I'm not saying clinical training in Malaysia is not good, but if these colleges do not have their own teaching hospitals, like UM, UKM and USM, how well can they actually utilise the associated hospitals for clinical training, since these are private colleges, and I'm afraid they couldn't use it as efficient as other public universities without their own hospital, but with associated government hospitals, since they are still under government.

What is actually good about overseas medical education, which part, pre-clinical or clinical training is considered better? Perhaps MMMC has an advantage being in India, because of the plenty-of-cadavers story. What about pre-clinical in Ireland? What's the advantage since Ireland is more famous of its specialist courses?
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  #37 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

I am not sure whether anyone has posted this, but the following are a series of posts by a Sarawakian doctor posting about his extreme dissatisfaction against the product of Russian and Ukrainian medical schools:

Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure
Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure II: The Reign of Chaos
Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure III: The Insiders’ Revelation
Ukrainian CPR, Russian Life Support and the Boris Yeltsin Classification of Heart Failure IV: Pak Abu Dies

His posts are controversial and I don't agree fully with him especially the way he generalises and exaggerates things. However, if his stories are true, then it should ring an alarm bell in our society. We cannot afford to let incompetent doctors roam around our hospitals.
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  #38 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

It seems that PMC graduates can practise in Ireland but MMMC graduates cannot practise in India.Correct me if necessary.

Actually,the Sarawakian doctor also feel dissatisfied with local university ,in addition to Russian and Ukraine universities.
http://www.malaysiakini.com/letters/37706

To increase doctor to population ratio,the government not longer cares much about the quality of medical education,be it overseas or local.
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  #39 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

Ukraine, as far as I remember, hit the limelight in the media a few years back when some well-known medical universities there are no longer recognised by our country. Apparently they were dissatisfied with the medical education standards and the facilities that were provided. It caused a ruckus because with the revoking of the recognition, many Malaysian students who were studying there then suddenly got themselves into a situation where they graduate as a doctor but will not be able to practise here.

Be careful... You don't want to end up stranded like that.
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  #40 Old 28-05-2009 Default Re: Medicine in Russia Today

My sister was under JPA's first batch sent to Russia. now she is doing her housemanship in Sarawak General Hospital. Her comments? Russian and Malaysian system are totally different. She find it hard to cope at most times and feel that local graduates seem to be much more efficient and better than those who graduated from Russia.
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