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Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

View Poll Results: Shoud ISA be repealed?
Definitely yes 6 46.15%
No, we still need it 1 7.69%
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  #1 Old 26-05-2009 Default Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

I was shocked to find out that no one has created a thread about this. Anyway, do you think ISA is still relevant or not? Should we repeal ISA?

I say we should as ISA has been used a political tool to suppress the Opposition. ISA was created to stop communism and our country has been cleared from communism for decades already and we don't face much if not any terrorist attack unlike United States of America.

Following is the articles showing the clear misuse of ISA. Should a reporter been detained for her "protection" or should a honorable Parliamentarian be detained for something that could been true or untrue. What happen to the rule a person is guilty when it is said by the court.
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Raja Petra, Teresa Kok and Sin Chew reporter arrested under ISA

Teresa Kok, Sin Chew reporter arrested under ISA
PETALING JAYA: Malaysia Today news portal editor Raja Petra Kamarudin, Seputeh MP Teresa Kok and Sin Chew Daily reporter Tan Hoon Cheng were arrested under the Internal Security Act (ISA) here and in Penang.
The first person to be picked up was Raja Petra, 58, from his house in Sungai Buloh near here, followed by Tan, 32, who was arrested from her house in Bukit Mertajam, Penang. Teresa, 43, was detained at 11.20pm as she was on her way home in a car.


Detained: (From left) Raja Petra, Tan and Kok were picked up under Section 73(1) of the ISA.

All of them were arrested under Section 73(1) of the ISA for allegedly being a threat to security, peace and public order.

A team of police officers from Bukit Aman arrived at Raja Petra?s house at 1.10pm and led him away 40 minutes later.

The team also took some 15 VCDs on ceramah held by Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim as well as 16 books.

Last week, the Department of Islamic Development (Jakim) and several Muslim bodies lodged a police report against Raja Petra, who is already facing criminal defamation charges for allegedly insulting the Malays, Muslims and Islam.

In a statement, Deputy Inspector General of Police Tan Sri Ismail Omar said Raja Petra was arrested based on surveillance that showed that he was involved in activities that could cause unrest among the multi-racial and multi-religious society of the country.

Tan, who was picked up at 8.40pm, was taken from her house in Taman Seri Rambai in Bukit Mertajam to the state police headquarters on the island.

Tan, 32, reported former Bukit Bendera Umno division chief Datuk Ahmad Ismail?s racist remarks while campaigning for the Permatang Pauh by-election.

Lee Kelvin from Guang Ming and Tan Ming Xao from Nanyang Siang Pau, who had vouched for the accuracy of Tan?s report had gone into hiding.
Kok, 43, who is also state assemblyman for Kinrara and the senior Selangor state executive councillor, was picked up over an alleged involvement with a resident?s petition over a mosque.

Acting Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Ismail Omar confirmed the arrests of Tan and Kok.

Under the Section, police are empowered to detain the trio for a period of 60 days after which the Home Minister can decide on further detention.
Home Minister Datuk Seri Syed Hamid Albar admitted that the decision to detain people and issue show cause letters would be unpopular and would be criticised but it had to be done.

?While we may want to be popular, freedom without responsibilities has ramifications.

?We have to take action to protect the wishes of the majority,? he said.
Syed Hamid also said Raja Petra had been warned on many occasions in the last two years.

?Now, with so much public uneasiness, we do not want anything that can threaten peace in the country.

?The police looked at all aspects and, under present circumstances, the actions were necessary,? he added.
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  #2 Old 26-05-2009 Default Re: Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

Like any other law, this one is also a tool for the reigning powers. Even if it is repealed, the government will find other ways to arrest dissidents.

Repeat with each and every single law, it will become... a lawless country
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  #3 Old 26-05-2009 Default Re: Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

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Like any other law, this one is also a tool for the reigning powers. Even if it is repealed, the government will find other ways to arrest dissidents.

Repeat with each and every single law, it will become... a lawless country
Yes, the government will use the legal system to arrest them. Though our legal system may inclined to the government sides, there are still judges who makes the right decision. For instance, if it has not been for the high court judges, Teresa Kok and Raja Petra Kamarudin could not have been released from ISA for a certain amount of time. The court knows that the arrests was unlawful and ordered the release of both of them.
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Yes, the government will use the legal system to arrest them. Though our legal system may inclined to the government sides, there are still judges who makes the right decision. For instance, if it has not been for the high court judges, Teresa Kok and Raja Petra Kamarudin could not have been released from ISA for a certain amount of time. The court knows that the arrests was unlawful and ordered the release of both of them.
how do you consider his or her decision to be the "correct" one then? Remember that a judge shouldn't be swayed by public opinions. For example, a suspected rapist shouldn't be convicted just because public opinion says he is guilty. Along with the evidences presented by the prosecution, if it isn't sufficient to convict him (shoddy investigation ftw), he shouldn't be convicted.

Then again, the Malaysian judicial system is kind of defanged and serve as a slave to the executive system. Where else in the world will the system make judgements based on non-existant laws?
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  #5 Old 26-05-2009 Default Re: Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

The Law isn't the real problem - its the people wielding the power. (Yes, I'm basically reiterating vseehua's point)
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  #6 Old 26-05-2009 Default Re: Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

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how do you consider his or her decision to be the "correct" one then? Remember that a judge shouldn't be swayed by public opinions. For example, a suspected rapist shouldn't be convicted just because public opinion says he is guilty. Along with the evidences presented by the prosecution, if it isn't sufficient to convict him (shoddy investigation ftw), he shouldn't be convicted.

Then again, the Malaysian judicial system is kind of defanged and serve as a slave to the executive system. Where else in the world will the system make judgements based on non-existant laws?
That is why. Teresa Kok should not have been detain under the ISA. She is should been investigated and be charged if there is sufficient proof. Until now, she has not been charged which means she actually not guilty. Let the judge be the one who decided whether one is guilty or not not the public, opposition or the government. ISA gives the government and the police the power and there is long history of it being misused by them. At least going to court gives both sides an equal chance.

Well, we can denial that there isn't any "interruption" on the judiciary branch by the executive branch. However, I believe as times comes, it will improve. This is due to the political change. People are no longer naive. Therefore, I believe both government and opposition will try to improve it to garner support fromthe people. Tun Abdullah Badawi, our former premier started the ball rolling by introducing and implementing the Judical Appointment Bill.
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  #7 Old 26-05-2009 Default Re: Is Internal Security Act a necessity in this modern world?

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Like any other law, this one is also a tool for the reigning powers. Even if it is repealed, the government will find other ways to arrest dissidents.

Repeat with each and every single law, it will become... a lawless country
Laws? What laws?

The police didn't even bother to get a warrant when they raided DAP headquarter a few days ago.

When the law enforcers themselves do not respect the law, whether there is a law is no longer relevant.
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Laws? What laws?

The police didn't even bother to get a warrant when they raided DAP headquarter a few days ago.

When the law enforcers themselves do not respect the law, whether there is a law is no longer relevant.
laws are only relevent in the mock courts, whether it is in the book of laws or not doesn't matter, as new ones can always be made up on the spot
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laws are only relevent in the mock courts, whether it is in the book of laws or not doesn't matter, as new ones can always be made up on the spot
Ya, that is because Barisan has been in power for more than 5 decades. Now, they can simply do things the public will punish them by voting for the opposition. Barisan now fears the people instead of the other way around anymore. So, they can simply make a law without getting a comment by media whether through Internet or newspaper.

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Laws? What laws?

The police didn't even bother to get a warrant when they raided DAP headquarter a few days ago.

When the law enforcers themselves do not respect the law, whether there is a law is no longer relevant.
well, technically they say that they don't because it was part of a follow up investigation where one of the detainees assisting with the probe led the police to the site. Furthermore the raid had to be carried out immediately before the evidence was wiped out.

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Police justify raiding DAP HQ

By SIRA HABIBU


PETALING JAYA: Police have denied allegations that they have acted beyond their jurisdiction when raiding the DAP headquarters to find the source of pamphlets printed and distributed without permit.
Selangor CID chief Senior Asst Comm II Datuk Hasnan Hassan said the issue of needing a warrant to search the premises should not arise because it was part of a follow up investigation where one of the detainees assisting with the probe led the police to the site.
?Furthermore the raid had to be carried out immediately before the evidence was wiped out.
?Speed was of the essence and the raid had to be carried out during the weekend when the court is not in session,?? he said.
Ulu Selangor district councillor Ooi Leng Heng, who was one of the 16 people arrested in Pandan Indah on Thursday night for participating in an illegal gathering calling for dissolution of the Perak state assembly, led the police to the DAP headquarters on Saturday evening.
Police seized a CPU and 19 DVDs to facilitate investigations under the Printing Press and Publications Act 1984.
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well, technically they say that they don't because it was part of a follow up investigation where one of the detainees assisting with the probe led the police to the site. Furthermore the raid had to be carried out immediately before the evidence was wiped out.
I doubt DAP will be able to wipe out all their data if the police took their time to get a warrant. Wiping a hard drive complete clean is a process that takes many many hours. Otherwise, the police force can always call in hard drive forensics to recover deleted data. Then again, our leaders aren't known to be savvy in IT, despite their campaign to the contrary.

In this case, the police can be sued for trespassing and harrasment, because they don't have the proper authority to do it. Laws are there for a reason, check and balance. If the powers decide to go against it, there is no reason we should be obeying the laws anymore
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