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  #31 Old 08-06-2009 Default Re: Given a choice, would you work in Malaysia?

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Well I understand that a lot of people's sentiment toward the country has changed in the recent years due to myriad of events. I do not disagree towards all of you who have express your opinion. Most if not all of what has been said here true. I clearly understands frankchong when he said that we are being treated like second class citizens. No doubt on that. But we nevertheless can't deny that who we are or what we are is somehow because of the way we have brought up in Malaysia. The country maybe not directly but indirecly have instilled values into us and make us a better person. Besides that, 50++ years from independence, we may not be the best country around but at least we are somehow safe and secure. Our students somehow have despite having a horrendous education system, have excelled and been to top institution in the world such as Harvard, Yale, Cambridge and etc. You may say that success depends more on the person and i agree with you but it also depends the education we have receive. Although Malaysia may not be the ideal place to work, it still is our country and we owe part if not all of our success to it. We should then at least appreciate that we are not born in some impoverished country without proper access to water and food, what more education. It is completely natural to compare with elite but lets not forget although we are not the elite, we are certainly well equiped compared to the likes of Bhutan, Mexico, Zimbabwe and etc. I believe the only thing that need to change in this country is the political scenario. And change for the better I mean, then alot of people would love to work here as well
Very well said.
Ain't no place like home.
Ain't no weirder politics than in Malaysia either.

IMHO, I don't think it's wrong to want to leave our country of birth to seek greener pastures. Obviously, if you're a scholar and have signed a lengthy bond, you're contractually-obligated to return.

However, when it comes to self-sponsored individuals who wish to work overseas, I don't see how that makes them unpatriotic. I'll be very frank and possibly sound a bit selfish by saying this but for individuals who have spent millions of ringgit on education, it's only fair for them to have that desire to live a better and more satisfying life.

The government once pleaded for professional Malaysians in far away lands to return and serve locally but after being denied so many opportunities by virtue of race, I don't blame these individuals for not wanting to come back.

Heck personally, my parents didn't spend their entire fortune on my education just to see me slog my balls off to make a decent living.

What do you guys think?
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Very well said.
Ain't no place like home.
Ain't no weirder politics than in Malaysia either.

IMHO, I don't think it's wrong to want to leave our country of birth to seek greener pastures. Obviously, if you're a scholar and have signed a lengthy bond, you're contractually-obligated to return.

However, when it comes to self-sponsored individuals who wish to work overseas, I don't see how that makes them unpatriotic. I'll be very frank and possibly sound a bit selfish by saying this but for individuals who have spent millions of ringgit on education, it's only fair for them to have that desire to live a better and more satisfying life.

The government once pleaded for professional Malaysians in far away lands to return and serve locally but after being denied so many opportunities by virtue of race, I don't blame these individuals for not wanting to come back.

Heck personally, my parents didn't spend their entire fortune on my education just to see me slog my balls off to make a decent living.

What do you guys think?

Of course, if you earn more overseas then it makes perfect sense to go overseas. But hey overseas is not all good to. You still have racial issues although it may not be obvious. But i would say, if its not overseas, then Malaysia would do. You are rest assured that Petronas Twin Tower will not fall due to plane crash.lol.
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  #33 Old 08-06-2009 Default Re: Given a choice, would you work in Malaysia?

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You are rest assured that Petronas Twin Tower will not fall due to plane crash.lol.
But a one-year-old stadium's roof may very well collapse by itself.
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But a one-year-old stadium's roof may very well collapse by itself.
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  #35 Old 08-06-2009 Default Re: Given a choice, would you work in Malaysia?

I personally don't feel that I owe the Malaysian government a single sen.

My gratitude goes to *individual people* - teachers, friends, mentors, doctors etc that have helped me along the way, all those who - despite a flawed system, despite all the "bad things" - gave time and effort beyond the call of duty to help me and others...

My immediate family is now scattered across 3 countries (5 people) - and the corresponding "ties" back to Malaysia have weakened - I can't even recognize Kuching anymore!

On the other hand, I have not ruled out Malaysia as a place to work, I'd probably give it some plus points when I seriously think about where I want to be after I graduate - but the rest of it will depend on the costs and benefits.

Currently, the "costs" of working in Malaysia are too high - racial discrimination plays a big role, as well as lack of professional opportunities (specialist training). Not to mention a small starting pay vs what I'll have here (even in NZ, and thats like half what Aus is offering for fresh doctors), and overwork....

Small example : I've been tutoring part time here (4 hours a week), and over 5 months, ive made $700 (20 hours) - compared to say, teaching fulltime in Malaysia (temporary
teaching) which gets you something like rm1200/month (say, 160 hours). Correct me if im way out on this, but you get the picture of the pay differences involved.

[As ive said before in other threads - its not racial discrimination per se, its institutionalized racial discrimination thats the large problem.]
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  #36 Old 08-06-2009 Default Re: Given a choice, would you work in Malaysia?

after i read all treads, i can conclude that we have many profession and specialist in our country, and these people may the created by our own education system. but after be created, the nation don't need such profession, and this profession seem useless to nation, than they finally force to work in oversea. most of them have good feedback about oversea, and start to compare our country to that country, i should say it is unfair to compare at that way.

but honestly, our country did not do much research, my ambition is become a biological researcher, i am also start to feel headache now. why our country doesn't develop in research. i think because of government don't no interest in this field, they only depend of others country research and others country profession, it is quiet irrational. why they do believe on their own citizen since we are here? why they can't spend their money for our own research? we are not on demand here, so how we want to stay here?

if i want to go aboard this is the only reason, the country don't need us. but it is unfair to compere at the finance aspect or somethings else, because this is our country, we should accept it. if we own do not love our country, who else?
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after i read all treads, i can conclude that we have many profession and specialist in our country, and these people may the created by our own education system. but after be created, the nation don't need such profession, and this profession seem useless to nation, than they finally force to work in oversea. most of them have good feedback about oversea, and start to compare our country to that country, i should say it is unfair to compare at that way.

but honestly, our country did not do much research, my ambition is become a biological researcher, i am also start to feel headache now. why our country doesn't develop in research. i think because of government don't no interest in this field, they only depend of others country research and others country profession, it is quiet irrational. why they do believe on their own citizen since we are here? why they can't spend their money for our own research? we are not on demand here, so how we want to stay here?

if i want to go aboard this is the only reason, the country don't need us. but it is unfair to compere at the finance aspect or somethings else, because this is our country, we should accept it. if we own do not love our country, who else?
It is true that we have many professionals here but the reason why they leave isn't because there's an excess of professionals. Instead, most of those who migrate are highly trained individuals who are not remunerated accordingly. They leave because Malaysia is unable to provide them with the opportunities and challenges worthy of their capabilities.

About "this profession seem useless to the nation", hah! Please get your facts straight. Many migrants are highly trained doctors, accountants, engineers, lawyers, business people and the likes. What makes you think they're 'useless' to Malaysia? Please do not make such sweeping statements.

And may I ask why is it unfair to compare?
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It is true that we have many professionals here but the reason why they leave isn't because there's an excess of professionals. Instead, most of those who migrate are highly trained individuals who are not remunerated accordingly. They leave because Malaysia is unable to provide them with the opportunities and challenges worthy of their capabilities.

About "this profession seem useless to the nation", hah! Please get your facts straight. Many migrants are highly trained doctors, accountants, engineers, lawyers, business people and the likes. What makes you think they're 'useless' to Malaysia? Please do not make such sweeping statements.

And may I ask why is it unfair to compare?
sorry i may be miss up something, profession i mean is like researchers. is true many others profession contribute to country, i should not deny, thanks for reminding.

why should we compare. human can not compare human, country also. then hav another country that worst that us. we also have we own benefit too. so it is totally different at all, why we compare?
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sorry i may be miss up something, profession i mean is like researchers. is true many others profession contribute to country, i should not deny, thanks for reminding.

why should we compare. human can not compare human, country also. then hav another country that worst that us. we also have we own benefit too. so it is totally different at all, why we compare?
Why are you comparing countries which are worse off than Malaysia? Why aren't we comparing ourselves to Singapore instead? They're smaller, have less resources, started out with nothing and they still beat us flat on all counts.

This is exactly the mentality that may be the downfall of our country. One of our ministers once compared Malaysia to Uganda, saying that we're far ahead of Uganda despite both countries gaining independence at the same time. Needless to say, that minister got shot down faster than he could blink....
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Why are you comparing countries which are worse off than Malaysia? Why aren't we comparing ourselves to Singapore instead? They're smaller, have less resources, started out with nothing and they still beat us flat on all counts.

This is exactly the mentality that may be the downfall of our country. One of our ministers once compared Malaysia to Uganda, saying that we're far ahead of Uganda despite both countries gaining independence at the same time. Needless to say, that minister got shot down faster than he could blink....
one thing i wish to say is our politician is so close mind and some of them don hav good attitude, it can show in many thing, but i wont mention it. i didn't mean to compare to any country. i mean not to compare and start to criticize our own country. criticize does not bring any improvement, but is more looked down by others country, because the citizen itself already not appreciate their own country.
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