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  #31 Old 01-09-2007 Default

Arrghs, how did I end up writing my post here? Weird. Sorry my post was meant to be in the "pornography reduces rape" thread.
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  #32 Old 01-09-2007 Default

lol, you're funny youngyew
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  #33 Old 13-03-2008 Default Why Is Prostitution Illegal?

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The further defense of such escort services is that prostitution is inevitable and that conditions will be better for everyone all around if it's regulated (more condoms, fewer beatings). This parallels the argument against Prohibition or in favor of drug legalization: Illegality puts the bad guys and their guns in control. Women who fear prosecution can't go to the police for help. Better to give women more recourse to head off abuse and even inspect brothels for health-code violations.

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despite all the fighting and all the preaching, we apparently don't know that much about the specifics of the structure of the sex market?how much prostitutes make on average, how many tricks they turn a year, how frequently they and their pimps and johns actually get arrested.

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There was also a "surprisingly high prevalence of police officers demanding sex from prostitutes in return for avoiding arrest." That looks like another argument against the bans on prostitution?presumably women wouldn't be caught in this particular trap if they weren't worried about going to jail in the first place.

- http://www.slate.com/id/2186243


Now, I always loved George Carlin and this is what he has to say about it,

"Selling is legal, fucking is legal. So why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to GIVE away in the first place?"
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  #34 Old 13-03-2008 Default

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Now, I always loved George Carlin and this is what he has to say about it,

"Selling is legal, fucking is legal. So why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to GIVE away in the first place?"
Carlin has this knack of twisting logic yet make it sound perfectly reasonable if you don't think deep enough.

His logic is as sound as saying "peeing is legal, walking on the street is legal. So why isn't peeing on the street legal?"
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  #35 Old 13-03-2008 Default

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Carlin has this knack of twisting logic yet make it sound perfectly reasonable if you don't think deep enough.

His logic is as sound as saying "peeing is legal, walking on the street is legal. So why isn't peeing on the street legal?"
I don't think thats illegal given that you own that street. Same as prostition. If its in my property it is still illegal.

You were close though.
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  #36 Old 13-03-2008 Default

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I don't think thats illegal given that you own that street. Same as prostition. If its in my property it is still illegal.

You were close though.
Haha, what kind of twisted logic is that. I think it is illegal in most places because most people frown about it in the public, and the side effects such as abuse or HIV which comes with the job.

But I like the logic presented.
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  #37 Old 13-03-2008 Default

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Now, I always loved George Carlin and this is what he has to say about it,

"Selling is legal, fucking is legal. So why isn't selling fucking legal? Why is it illegal to sell something that's perfectly legal to GIVE away in the first place?"
1st, it is NOT illegal in all countries.
2nd, a wrong statement cant be debated. Since each case may have different background, you should make your statement clearer before we can discuss about it. Are we talking about Malaysia? or US? or why most of the countries in the world do not allow prostitution?

Anyway, I believe if we want transparency and make sure a profession is under control, then making it legal is not a bad idea.
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  #38 Old 13-03-2008 Default

I don't know how quoting works in Recom 2.0..

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You are assuming that legalisation of prostitution encourages prostitution and that young girls will seek an easy way out to get easy cash, neglecting their education and social responsibilities.

The question is, what stops them from prostituting themselves anyway? It's impossible to enforce the law effectively on such individuals to begin with.

Singapore has legal prostitution system. With a legal prostitution system comes harm minimisation.

A legalised prostitution system allows proper monitoring of all sexual health workers. This include ensuring proper STD education and protection use. Within a legalised system, governments have access to these parlors, and thus would be able to ensure STD transmissions are minimised.

To put it bluntly: it is safer to find a prostitute in singapore than in malaysia.
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  #39 Old 13-03-2008 Default

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I don't know how quoting works in Recom 2.0..
If you want to quote just one post, then it's actually the same as the old ReCom. Just click on the "quote" button on that particular post, and you will be brought to a page where you can type your responses.

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If you look at it one way, prostitution is a kind of job. Being a prostitute is a job. So like any other workers, they need to be recognised. So why not legalise it? Like some have said, it will be easier to keep track on stuff like STDs, the number of brothels, etc. Although admittedly legalising it will give girls a certain sense of security by becoming a prostitute themselves, how many women actually WANT to become prostitute? It's not a dream job, no matter how high your libido is. Women become prostitutes because they have no other choice. I can't imagine women becoming prost. because it's legally 'safe' to become one. Society will still look down on prost. and that is enough to stop someone from opting to be one.

But even though this profession might break some marriages and corrupt some people's minds (however it's related), they are still workers. They provide service and earn money in return. And remember, none of them are doing it by choice. So we should have a degree of respect and recognition for them.

Legalising prost. might help reduce sex abuse and rape cases... you want a woman and to feel dominant? Go take it out on a prostitute....
It is quite convenient to try to think that all prostitutes are being forced. However, depending on the countries, many people do enter prostitution out of choice. Whether or not they actually made a good choice or a bad choice in investing in this career decision is another issue. In a study on prostitution conducted in Malaysia, the relative earnings differential between prostitution and equivalent work in manufacturing given the same level of skills had increased from 3 times in 1969 to 6 times in 1989 (Nagaraj and Yahya 90). Although their survey is biased towards relatively higher income earners, they reveal that 19 out of the 44 women became sex workers out of their own accord (Nagaraj and Yahya 83). When I was volunteering with a shelter for sexual workers in Barcelona while I was there, I asked former sexual workers who were also with the shelter about the incidence of forced prostitution there. They told me that yes, while there are many cases of women being trafficked over by mafia groups from Eastern Europe, Latin America, Nigeria and Morroco, the percentage of people being forced is less than what the public thinks.

For some of the prostitutes that I worked with, prostitution was not their career, but a temporary job to earn money during bad times when jobs are scarce. While a typical session with a streetwalker costs 12-30 Euros for a 30 minute session and may seem rather cheap to some, it is way more than what you can get earning in a bar. Also, do bear in mind that there are many categories of sexual workers on the street. In the example of the Netherlands, there are high-class women in chic clubs at the top of the hierarchy, the ones in the private clubs, the window prostitutes, and the escorts in the middle, and the streetwalkers ?who offer services at rock bottom prices? at the bottom of the chain (Outshoorn 166). The ones that people usually sensationalize about are the streetwalkers at the bottom of the chain, but really, it's way more complicated than that. Witness the current(wait former now) NY governor, Spitzer, who was involved in a high scandal case for a VIP prostitution ring that charges clients up to several thousand US dollars for one night.

Also, please substantiate your claim that prostitution breaks up marriages and corrupts people's minds. I don't really follow your logic, it really just seems like a sensationalist thing to say. Your assertion of social stigma being a deterrent is correct and complies with a few economic theories of prostitution, but it is not the only factor, and I believe, personally(I wrote a paper on the price of prostitution for my Women and The Economy class), that if the price is high enough, it can overcome that social stigma.

I also highly take offense with your statement that you should take out unhappiness by abusing a prostitute. First of all, rape and sexual abuse are very serious things. Imagine your mom or sister undergoing such trauma will probably not make it so funny for you anymore and no one should ever have to go through that experience. Violence in the streetwalker section of prostitution is very real and prevalent. It does not do them justice for you to be issuing sexist and masochistic statements like that. Most of them have real families and children and just want to be able to earn enough to struggle by.

Nagaraj, Shyamala and Siti Rohani Yahya. "Prostitution in Malaysia." The Sex Sector: The economic and social bases of prostitution in Southeast Asia. Ed. Lin Lean, Lim. Geneva: International Labor Organization, 1998. 67-97.

Outshoorn, Joyce. ?Pragmatism in the Polder: Changing Prostitution Policy in The Netherlands.? Journal of Contemporary European Studies 12.2 (2004): 165-176.
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