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  #1 Old 16-09-2005 Default Which political party suits you?

If all of us are required to join an existing Msian political party, which one would you be in?

My choice would be limited to DAP and Keadilan. Given the two, I'd probably go for DAP since Keadilan is clueless even with Anwar Ibrahim. Heh, you guys should have read when Keadilan Youth said they are staying low because they are weak and their members are apolitical. That shows how pathetic keadilan is.

DAP might be a socialist party but I think I could live with that, especially with the dearth of choice in Malaysia. I'd rather have a running workable but inefficient welfare state than a discriminatory half-hearted inefficient welfare state with ppl like UMNO Youth at the helm.
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  #2 Old 16-09-2005 Default

I once told a senior policeman and buddy, "I want to be a policeman".

He asked, "But are you an honest man?"

"I believe so" I replied.

"Then don't join," he said.

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  #3 Old 16-09-2005 Default

misled, you meant "politician" right?

if prm would get out of keadilan and join hands with dap that would be sweet.
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  #4 Old 19-09-2005 Default

If the majority of Malaysians can stop thinking that giving every citizen an equal standing and equal opportunity is not chauvinism of a particular non-Malay race, then DAP would be the next big thing in Malaysia.

Sadly, they are not, for one reason or another.

On the other hand, we have a Pas which thinks all Muslim whether they are willing or otherwise, must accept Hudud. Thus, they must carry around their box office poison even when they know it's going to make them rejected by majority of voters.

And now, are those mono-ethnic parties in BN good enough for us ? There are multicultural ones, for example Gerakan and PPP, but, given the current scenario within BN, how are they going to implement what they preach ?

With the Malay or Chinese majority seats in the decline and replaced by more and more mixed seats, I am afraid the niche for DAP and Pas are shrinking. Therefore, it's not at all that difficult to see what's my choice here.
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  #6 Old 20-09-2005 Default

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On the other hand, we have a Pas which thinks all Muslim whether they are willing or otherwise, must accept Hudud. Thus, they must carry around their box office poison even when they know it's going to make them rejected by majority of voters.
i still fail to see why implementing the hudud scares the crap out of everybody - unless you have the intention to be a criminal... also, i dont think it is according to PAS that a muslim must accepts hudud. rather, that idea/concept/understanding is instilled within the first pillar of islam - the syahadah.
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also, i dont think it is according to PAS that a muslims must accepts hudud.
is this stated in PAS' manifesto?
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  #8 Old 21-09-2005 Default Re: Which political party suits you?

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If all of us are required to join an existing Msian political party, which one would you be in?
I have commited myself to PAS because I believe in the principles of Islam and they are the only party working towards that principle, and no other. However, PAS must cooperate with other opposition parties in a coalition. DAP should, and must, be expunged from such a coalition as they do not bring any benefit other than causing chaos and promoting their own chauvinist ideals.

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  #9 Old 22-09-2005 Default

menj, do you agree if politics and religion should mix? For me I don't care if certain party are religious or not, religion to me is something personal, what I care is the result of government. PAS have been governing Kelantan for many years, what do you have to say about their poor economic growth? Do we have to be poor to be religious? I am sure your answer is no. They also banned public performance by female singers (something like this), I don't see a reason to ban anyone from entertaining the people. The chinese there also cannot wear short pants and tight wears, again I don't see a reason to ban that. The reason PAS gave is that it makes people sin, I think that the reason is superficial, if you are not faithful, anything can temp you, not only some women who dressed sexily. At the end of the day, I fell that PAS is too unrealistic, its decision to separate man and women in shoping complex just do not make sence. Millions of muslim shop together in shoping complexes, does that mean that they are less holy then those who are separated? If I sound bias against PAS, its because I have been reading government controled newspaper for many years.
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  #10 Old 22-09-2005 Default

salvation, here's my quick reply... while waiting for a friend to come...

as for kelantan's poor economic growth, i wouldnt 100% blame it to the state nor the geverning party, but more towards the bias between k'jaan pusat and k'jaan negeri. its like the bumi status quo that you guys are talking about here... if you are not bumi, you dont get as much priviledge. similarly, if you are not BN, the government aint going to give much help to you - even though the state is part of the country. a clear example is when PAS won t'ganu. k'jaan pusat immediately stops the petroleum royalty t'ganu was receiving for the past years and that was the main income for the state of t'ganu. this is one out of many ways BN is getting back to the ppl of the states for voting the off... shouldnt be a surprise since they are proven to be good at doing this...

as for my opinion on the mix between government and religion (islam, in particular), i personally am for it. why? because it is in the teaching of al-islam that it is not merely a religion, but a way of life. it provides guidelines on how humans should live and interact with each other. some things are made mandatory (for muslims, that is) and some are prohibited. some things are also made optional, where it is better to do it but it wont cause any harm not to do it. if one actually studies islam in-depth, he/she will see that islam does not only teach its followers on the spiritual stuff, but also economics, politics, laws, etc. basically, the argument here is that who knows better about how human is than God Himself i leave it as that... and this is merely an informational statement, rather than to prove which religion is better or worse (in case somebody brings this point up ) .

as for the things PAS does, i agree some may be unrealistic but some do have grounds (from islam's point of view though). i am not going to elaborate on much this (since the dude is here, 15 minutes late!) but the more you study on this, the more you'll know why some rules are there (again, from islamic perspectives). last point for this paragraph is that there are two political parties that bears islam's name and they are BN and PAS. its up to one to choose which one they think can do the job better. i personally choose PAS...

uh uh last point, dont read only the government controlled media but read-on stuff from the opposition also. i read from all four parties, BN (utusan and bharian), PAS (harakahdaily.net), DAP (limkitsiang's blog and some times their website) and sometimes from keadilan website - although they rarely have interesting articles as i am still growing up and hence learning, inputs from all sides are needed to make my own judgement on certain issues. sometimes it is interesting too to read on how different parties perceive and deal differently on certain issues

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