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  #1 Old 07-05-2012 Default Affordable overseas education, an alternative

The fact that many of us seek out scholarships post-SPM/Pre-U suggests that funding is a perennial issue for many of us from the working class Back then, now and most certainly in the future.

More often than not, we find a majority of Msians with the necessary grades, some even with offers from selective universities in the Anglosphere, definitively grounded all because of the inability to afford the cost of an overseas education.

Public and private sponsorships are available but despite that, not everybody, even the ‘well deserved’ ones get them. So how do we move forward?

I’m not that surprised that not many people talk about studying in Europe, excluding the UK. Which 16-20 year old would have thought about studying in Netherlands, Sweden or France? It’s unfortunate that many of us overlook this viable and arguably cheaper alternative.

Education in these countries is subsidized, even for foreigners. The catch is that one has to learn the local language and undergo lessons in that language at least for the first two years. This is not necessarily a difficult requirement to fulfil as most Msians who have the academic means to go overseas would probably speak 2 or 3 languages fluently. Not just 2 or 3 similar languages but 2 or 3 distinctive languages. Picking up another European language given a somewhat solid foundation in English is not going to be too difficult.

What could the benefits of studying in these countries be then? Some of you probably know that staying back in the UK, Australia or the US to work has gotten tougher recently- tighter rules, reduced quotas etc. So if you see education as a form of investment, these countries do not return the highest profit. You spend 0.25 to 0.5 million ringgits, only to return to Msia for maybe RM30k a year with a low purchasing power. Even with years of experience, the majority will probably not recover the amount spent until close to retirement, or never at all factoring inflation and other financial goals like home purchase, marriage, kids and education of kids.

There are two solutions out of this, either we stay back and study at IPTA/S, spend less, get the same job in Msia or spend less for an overseas education and then return or stay back for a few years and gain some international experience.

Worth a thought?
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  #2 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

I lived in europe for a year. From my first hand experience,

Switzerland Tertiary education (ETH, top engineering school in europe, einstein's school) cost about rm6000 a year for tuition fee, living cost probably ranging from 3000-5000 per month.

Germany had retracted their free education policy for foreigners. Now they need to pay a minimal fee (10% of total cost). Basically to make sure that those china people don't go germany in the name of study but work part time. lowest of all europe, about the same living cost as malaysia.

Finland still practice free education system. there are about 200 Malaysians studying in Finland right now, all for free. (about 5 studying phd) its a great place to live if you can stand -40 degree winter. estimate 1 month expenditure 3k~

you cant expect the same from US/UK because education is their huge source of revenue.
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  #3 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

Language is the first problem and will always be the main deterrent to go to these European alternatives. I mean, it's not wrong to be learning a new language to engage in culture and a new experience to learn in, but what are the chances that you will apply the same knowledge you've learnt in the same language you learned it in? English is a universal medium of communication, and that applies to our working places here in Malaysia. An example is possibly you graduated from an engineering course from a German university but upon coming back to a country like Malaysia, chances are you will need to relearn everything mentally back into English. You'll need to familiarize yourself with terms that were previously thought to you in German and now in English. But curious though, do Malaysian-based companies recognize grads with qualifications from these usually unheard of European universities? I know MNC's might give the benefit of the doubt, but I don't know to what extent.
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  #4 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

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Language is the first problem and will always be the main deterrent to go to these European alternatives.
I agree with this. People usually like to take the easy way out. But I do know a small minority of students taking French in their SPM so these students would have an advantage when studying in schools in France.

I would like to know if there are any European non-UK institutions teaching undergraduate courses fully in English. Cuz afaik usually only postgraduate courses are conducted in English.
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Language is the first problem and will always be the main deterrent to go to these European alternatives. I mean, it's not wrong to be learning a new language to engage in culture and a new experience to learn in, but what are the chances that you will apply the same knowledge you've learnt in the same language you learned it in? English is a universal medium of communication, and that applies to our working places here in Malaysia. An example is possibly you graduated from an engineering course from a German university but upon coming back to a country like Malaysia, chances are you will need to relearn everything mentally back into English. You'll need to familiarize yourself with terms that were previously thought to you in German and now in English. But curious though, do Malaysian-based companies recognize grads with qualifications from these usually unheard of European universities? I know MNC's might give the benefit of the doubt, but I don't know to what extent.
Two issues.

Programs in the later years are conducted in English. Postgrad courses, entirely in English.

Why would you consider coming back to Msia when you can get a job in those countries?Unlike in the UK and US, companies there are more willing to apply for a visa for you. Those countries do not face the same immigration issues like that of the UK and the US. I'm telling you, there are not many people with our profiles coming out of those schools, proficient in the local language, in English and an Asian language.

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I agree with this. People usually like to take the easy way out. But I do know a small minority of students taking French in their SPM so these students would have an advantage when studying in schools in France.

I would like to know if there are any European non-UK institutions teaching undergraduate courses fully in English. Cuz afaik usually only postgraduate courses are conducted in English.
There are a lot. You just have to do your research.

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  #6 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

I think that we have the bulk of people talking of studying in the UK/US rather than other countries European or otherwise because those are the universities in those countries crop up more in world rankings.

It's not hard to see why. You're a 17-year-old and not even sure what to study at university, much less where to go after SPM. You fall back on simple measures to sort of point you in the right direction. This could mean going to colleges a lot of people go to, and it could therefore also mean looking at the universities whose names you hear most - usually top-ranked universities.

People do consider other factors of course. Which is why we also have lots of students in Australia/Singapore. But I think the main reason why not as many people seem to think of going to France or Switzerland is very simply a lack of information. This sort of info isn't really given to us in secondary school, or in colleges where schools usually prod you into getting into brand-name institutions.

I think it's a great idea to consider studying in these other countries. It's a great way to make yourself learn another language, if it's not something you usually take on by yourself. And cost aside, they provide just as much of the 'overseas experience' that many students going abroad are looking for.

Plus many institutions in these countries are really very good for specific types of courses - which is sometimes why they don't appear as often on world ranking lists, because those are very overall, generalised rankings.
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I think that we have the bulk of people talking of studying in the UK/US rather than other countries European or otherwise because those are the universities in those countries crop up more in world rankings.

It's not hard to see why. You're a 17-year-old and not even sure what to study at university, much less where to go after SPM. You fall back on simple measures to sort of point you in the right direction. This could mean going to colleges a lot of people go to, and it could therefore also mean looking at the universities whose names you hear most - usually top-ranked universities.

People do consider other factors of course. Which is why we also have lots of students in Australia/Singapore. But I think the main reason why not as many people seem to think of going to France or Switzerland is very simply a lack of information. This sort of info isn't really given to us in secondary school, or in colleges where schools usually prod you into getting into brand-name institutions.

I think it's a great idea to consider studying in these other countries. It's a great way to make yourself learn another language, if it's not something you usually take on by yourself. And cost aside, they provide just as much of the 'overseas experience' that many students going abroad are looking for.

Plus many institutions in these countries are really very good for specific types of courses - which is sometimes why they don't appear as often on world ranking lists, because those are very overall, generalised rankings.
Well said, I suppose there is a need to publicise education in these countries. How could we start?
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  #8 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

Most obvious way would be schools, I suppose. I'll admit I'm not sure how to get them to do it though. All it would take is for the relevant school counsellors to actually give students more comprehensive advice when it comes to charting study and career paths. It's not even specialised knowledge.

I suppose for the students who are a bit more Internet-savvy and willing to actually put some research into their future (as they all should be), ReCom would be a great place too

Simple things like sticky guide threads laying out some wisdom for the students logging onto the forums, or even good wiki articles. I think the point is just to get it into people's heads that there are so many more viable choices for them, and telling them how to zero in on the relevant parts rather than taking the easy and conventional way out by cutting straight to what everyone else is also considering.
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  #9 Old 08-05-2012 Default Re: Affordable overseas education, an alternative

just to start off,

Paris polytech and Zurich institute of technology (swiss ETH) are well known in EU to be on par with Imperial. ETH itself topped Imperial in several occasions as the best engineering school in europe. not to mention it's price is at a killing rm6000 a year. Also, Switzerland is famous for hotel management, Hotel school of Laussane (ok, i dont know the english spelling for it but short form is EHL) is the best in the world.

Language: For germany and France, the 1st year for foreign undergrad student will be conducted in english, and you will have a 1 year cushion time to convert to full german mode. For Switzerland it is a bit funky, the first year will be in german-english because they are preparing their local students to learn science and maths in english (relearning the terms). From year 2 onwards, the whole school will be on full blast english mode. If you go in at Master or even think about transfer after year 2, language is not a problem. However, for those who are interested to study since year 1, you need to take a *REALLY HARD* maths and physics entry paper, in german. but if you score it, you can get into the school. also note, switzerland's high school standard is high, I would at least rank it at STPM level. so.....a STPM paper in german...i used to think about it then i just forget about it *yaoming face*

p/s i lived in switzerland, damn, they made me do free advertisement for them here.
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just to start off,

Paris polytech and Zurich institute of technology (swiss ETH) are well known in EU to be on par with Imperial. ETH itself topped Imperial in several occasions as the best engineering school in europe. not to mention it's price is at a killing rm6000 a year. Also, Switzerland is famous for hotel management, Hotel school of Laussane (ok, i dont know the english spelling for it but short form is EHL) is the best in the world.

Language: For germany and France, the 1st year for foreign undergrad student will be conducted in english, and you will have a 1 year cushion time to convert to full german mode. For Switzerland it is a bit funky, the first year will be in german-english because they are preparing their local students to learn science and maths in english (relearning the terms). From year 2 onwards, the whole school will be on full blast english mode. If you go in at Master or even think about transfer after year 2, language is not a problem. However, for those who are interested to study since year 1, you need to take a *REALLY HARD* maths and physics entry paper, in german. but if you score it, you can get into the school. also note, switzerland's high school standard is high, I would at least rank it at STPM level. so.....a STPM paper in german...i used to think about it then i just forget about it *yaoming face*

p/s i lived in switzerland, damn, they made me do free advertisement for them here.
Depends on the school and program. Some are totally in english or in the local language. Then local language followed by english or english followed by local language.
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