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  #11 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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Well, OK. Fine. So Sabah, Sarawak and the states in Malaya formed the Federation of Malaysia together. It's a very big deal. And I sincerely mean it when I say it's a big deal.

It still makes me wonder why it took about 50 years before people start questioning about this whole issue.

Also, no doubt that day is an important one to commemorate, but I'd seriously not want to see parliamentarians and the public debating about this issue so frequently when there are more pressing problems that require our attention.

The situation of Sabah and Sarawak after the formation of Malaysia may be bad, but that's another issue altogether.
Believe me, we have been talking about this for a long long time now. It has now only come to light because the next political battleground has shifted to the east.

I believe the main reason why Sarawakians and Sabahans are so agitated about the issue of the date of national day is the way its people are treated and recognized. Our ethnics are listed under "lain-lain"in official and non-official forms, our petroleum money has been plundered mostly by people from West-Malaysia (only 5% of the revenue went back to the state), and there is practically no real development in terms of infrastructure and industry for the locals to work in. Need I say more?
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  #12 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

The problem btw d peninsula and the borneo is tat thr's lack of communication until the previous election. Most of peninsula including me didn't knw what ws really happening in Sabah and Sarawak. I actly thought Sabah and Sarawak ws ruled by better politicians as thr weren't much racial problems like v have in peninsula. However, after befriending a Sarawakian, I learn the truth.

The issue on the date of national day is vry hard 2 b solved. I hope tat this issue cn b tolerated.

The "lain-lain" ws created cause thr r to many ethics in Sabah n Sarawak and it's nt easy 2 state all of them. Nevertheless, I disagree with the fact that v need to state our race altogether in official documents. It has been a long time that our country reached independence. V should only state tat v r malaysian regardless of whr our forefathers came from cause our home has always been Malaysia.

On the issue on how Sabah and Sarawak is being exploited by the peninsula, v all should realise that it's nt only d peninsula to b blamed. It takes two to tango. The local politicians in Sabah and Sarawak are equally guilty of causing this mess. The only way to solve this problem is for the people to rise against this injustice. I would like to highlight tat thr were times whr opposition MPs frm the peninsula try to fight for the rights of the Sabah and Sarawak while theirs own MPs (who were mainly BN) could nt be bothered. Furthermore, thr need 2 b more communication btw these 2 parts of Msia like v r hving nw. That's way, v the peninsula will realise the problem.

Finally, thr has a suggestion to separate Sabah and Sarawak frm the peninsula. I'm strongly against it!!! One might think that I'm against it cause it'll stop the exploitation of the Sabah and Sarawak bt tat's nt it. The moment tat Malaysia ws formed, v all became brothers and sisters. Like the saying, "Bersatu Teguh, Bercerai Roboh", whn Malaysia falls, it'll cause a serious economic problems for both parties. Foreign investors will ran away and thr might hv years of sufferings and possibly civil wars.

It's time for both sides to unite and think as one if we want evry1 to b fairly treated.
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  #13 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

Well this is the theme song that all malaysians should sing heartily together in the celebration of national independence day? this sounds desperate. With the election call reverberating, it seems that even the theme song supposedly to be imbued with patriotic love without the blight of politics has not been spared from the heat of election. This is hilarious, with the lyrics clamouring for the obvious call has clearly distorted the true meaning of national independence day. Regardless of races, creeds and the endorsed political parties, the true national spirit should be celebrated together with pride and love for the country, rather than to be used as a desperate measure for the sake of winning the election. I don’t think anyone would be easily swayed by this song which is of so much political accent.


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The moment tat Malaysia ws formed, v all became brothers and sisters. Like the saying, "Bersatu Teguh, Bercerai Roboh", whn Malaysia falls, it'll cause a serious economic problems for both parties. Foreign investors will ran away and thr might hv years of sufferings and possibly civil wars.

It's time for both sides to unite and think as one if we want evry1 to b fairly treated.
Beautiful, don’t you think the national song should be on something like this?
I miss the time when the national theme song revolves around Keranamu Malaysia, Merdeka! and anything solely about the love for the country. Independence Day and Malaysia Day are the commemorations of historically significant events. But it seems, bickering has always shifted the focus to even more arguments, worse, in the way that changes the theme of National song from Keranamu Malaysia to Satu Malaysia to Jangan Lupa Janji tau. @_@
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  #14 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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Beautiful, don’t you think the national song should be on something like this?
I miss the time when the national theme song revolves around Keranamu Malaysia, Merdeka! and anything solely about the love for the country. Independence Day and Malaysia Day are the commemorations of historically significant events. But it seems, bickering has always shifted the focus to even more arguments, worse, in the way that changes the theme of National song from Keranamu Malaysia to Satu Malaysia to Jangan Lupa Janji tau. @_@
I totally agreed with you. Thr has been an article which has critised Najib for politicising the National Day slogan.

However, a huge majority of voters especially those who lived in rural areas dun hv internet. Thus, they relied on the popular mainstream like newspaper, tv, radio, etc who r heavily manipulated by the ruling government. This slogan is trying impose the idea tat BN is the government n without BN, thr will b chaos.
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  #15 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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Read up on Christian citizenship.
http://www.christianity.com/1128040/
"The alternative to Christian involvement is unthinkable. In the 20th Century, atheistic and secular humanistic leaders gained control of nations all across Europe, Asia and Africa. What was the result?

According to historian R. J. Rummel, "Almost 170 million men, women and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed, or killed in any other of the myriad ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners."

These facts led historian John Hallowell to note, "Only through a return to faith in God, as God revealed Himself to man in Jesus Christ, can modern man and his society find redemption from the tyranny of evil.""


What a misleading and hateful statement. As if atheists and secularists are involved in the death of those people. Stop this fear-mongering and demonization of atheists, agnostics, secularists and non-believers at once.
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  #16 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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  #17 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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Wait a second...
Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs are indeterminate. He was raised Catholic and professed very conflicting accounts of his beliefs throughout his life.

Some of his more Christian posts:

"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian, I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice."

"The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and co-operation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

"The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavour to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today."

I acknowledge that Hitler has also made some comments against Christianity throughout his life, but all this just goes to show that his religious beliefs are MIXED. I repeat- HE WAS NOT A CONVINCING ATHEIST.

And even if he is, so what? Adolf Hitler has NEVER performed any of his evil deeds under the guise of godlessness. Even if he was an atheist, it was never a prime motivating factor for his actions. Hitler did what he did because he was influenced with extremely anti-Semitic views in his childhood and upbringing.

In case I wasn't clear- HITLER DIDN'T DO WHAT HE DID BECAUSE HE WAS/COULD HAVE BEEN AN ATHEIST.

And if anything, the picture you posted was a sarcastic jab at Hitler's Catholic roots. It actually goes AGAINST your case, not support it.
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  #18 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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Wait a second...
LOL you do realise that pic you posted was being sarcastic right?
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LOL you do realise that pic you posted was being sarcastic right?
Nah, she has a history of not getting the point. She probably doesn't get this either.
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  #20 Old 01-08-2012 Default Re: N-day theme song controversy

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True Christians keep God's commandments.

Most of the religion in the world promotes ppl to do gud. However, it's v humans who dun follow the practice properly. Conclusion, do ur reponsible properly regardless of ur religion.
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